(cache) ELS's Official Policy on Commies : EnoughLibertarianSpam

[–]duplicitous 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 7時間前 (1子コメント)

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[–]-Ex- 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 1日前 (17子コメント)

[+]SixBiscuitPaid shill of a Ron Paul delegate[🍰] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 1日前* (16子コメント)

Basically, if you're just here to be a smug asshole who is too cool for anyone that doesn't have a hammer and sickle tattooed on their ass then we're going to ban you.

/u/Will_Dollar said it really well:

Am I a dirty godless commie bastard? yes Do I keep that in my dirty godless commie bastard subreddits? Also yes. This is a place for mocking libertarians, nothing more. There are lefty subreddits for leftist discussion.

He's not banned. Unless he just tells us all to fuck off he (or she) isn't going to be banned and I welcome his contribution and think that statement shows the kind of perspective we want here.

There's a ton of people who extensively post in only subreddits like /r/ShitLiberalsSay or /r/socialism who only come in here to mock other users and be general smug jackasses because they have the special knowledge that is socialism/communism. Those people aren't welcome.

Now if you think those people shouldn't be told to fuck off please let us know because the only thing we've heard from regular users that aren't of that general jackassery is that it's annoying and takes down the quality of the sub. And we've tried to be like "Guys, guys, could you tone it down, guys." And they've pretty much responded by continuing to be jackasses... hence the down vote brigade.

EDIT: Checks your user history. You fucking liar!

EDIT2: Dank memes aside McCarthy was a fucking scumbag of the highest order.

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[–]Waz_Met_Jou 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 16時間前* (2子コメント)

40% of your community identified as socialist or anarchist in the last survey. A large share of those is bound to identify as communist (which wasn't an option in the last survey) to some extent. You could've made a post saying this isn't the place for ideological bickering or far left extremism. Instead, you posted "dank memes", petty insults and pathetic attempts at ideological debates. You tried to defend RFS's behaviour at first, and after a while, the best you can do is "Well he was drunk." The post is not taken down, there was no apology, and the childish behaviour continues, despite the excuses. This really is a very poor show of moderatorship and I'm disappointed in the team, which before always came across as capable and pretty cool.

Edit: and I get a ban for this comment but you're whining about me not accepting free speech.

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[–]-Ex- 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 1日前 (9子コメント)

Hmmm... This still seems pretty vague and unclear to me. It can't be that you have a complete problem with 'general smug jackasses' because afterall, that could pretty well describe the attitude of this entire subreddit. From my own understanding this sub essentially operates as a kind of anti-libertarian circle-jerk, and I have no problem with that (if this characterization is wrong let me know). My point is, I've yet to see any mention of this kind of content out of concern for the 'quality of the sub', so why make that argument?

Also, will the same attitudes be applied to users who engage in jackassery from a liberal, anti-communist position toward other users of this sub? If so, wouldn't this be a better way to announce this policy, instead of wrapping it in McCarthyism (in a way that was completely and absolutely not smug at all...)

My own view is, I think it's naive (and maybe even a little ironic) for you to try and police what are obviously actually existing political and ideological disagreements among users of this sub that only make themselves more readily apparent when those sorts of discussions turn sour (in the smug, assholey kind of way).

It would be better to just have blanket rules around political discussions (for when they inevitably do crop up, don't try and pretend this isn't a political subreddit) stating simply - please try to reserve your assholery for libertarians and not other users of this sub. Examples of assholery are also needed.

[+]SixBiscuitPaid shill of a Ron Paul delegate[🍰] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15ポイント-14ポイント-13ポイント 1日前 (8子コメント)

Well I think your points are well founded and the questions well asked (despite you being a dirty liar).

Let's examine /u/Nechesh.

1 day ago he made this comment.

Is it making fun of libertarians? No, it's engaging with another commenter about the role of riots in establishing the 40-hour work week. (I happen to agree with him on this btw.)

18 days ago he was involved in this shit show.

Again, he's not discussing libertarianism. He's just piping in to defend someone from RFS.

1 month ago there's this.

Difficult to tell the context of this and again, I agree with his statement about white hetro privilege but he also throwing in the bit about problems about liberal identity politicking. He has a real hard on for "liberals".

3 months ago there's this.

Him arguing about socialism with a user.

I'm not going back any further but that's the entirety of what he's contributed to this subreddit. Saying that RFS defends fascism, that another user is anti-intelectual, and pushing his agenda. Between that there's just a wall of pushing socialism and discussing communism.

You know what's missing from any of that? Talking about libertarians. And I don't like going through someone's comment history like that but you asked for examples. It's pretty clear he's just here to correct other users and push an ideological agenda and only tangentially gives a shit about libertarians.

My own view is, I think it's naive (and maybe even a little ironic) for you to try and police what are obviously actually existing political and ideological disagreements among users of this sub that only make themselves more readily apparent when those sorts of discussions turn sour (in the smug, assholey kind of way).

I think, in general, political discussions that turn nasty aren't that bad. I got into a real knock down drag out, good ol' fashion internet argument with /u/hepu the other day and I've seen it happen elsewhere. Because you're right. It is a political subreddit and discussion will happen but there is a group of users that only seem to comment when it's about communism/socialism and to push a point of view.

It would be better to just have blanket rules around political discussions (for when they inevitably do crop up, don't try and pretend this isn't a political subreddit) stating simply - please try to reserve your assholery for libertarians and not other users of this sub.

I've always been against standardized rules for the sub because you inevitably get rules lawyers trying to get the other person in trouble and we're small enough that it doesn't get too crazy. Maybe that's a good idea but we already deal with people who get too assholery. This is more about people like the poster mentioned above who only seem to drop in to get into these spats.

And if there were commenters coming in here repeatedly name dropping Cutco Knives and hanging out in subs discussing how stupid people who didn't buy Cutco Knives were then we'd come down on them too but it seems pretty isolated to the far-left ideology for whatever reason. I really wish it wasn't because it'd make it seem a lot less like a witch-hunt.

[–]-Ex- 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 23時間前 (7子コメント)

OK, let's get real here... If you're honestly going to tell me that users engaging in political discussion on a political subreddit don't (or shouldn't) have a political agenda then... well... I don't have anything to say to that. It's just naive.

You've shifted from being irritated with people being 'assholes' to having a particular disagreement with people pushing a certain political agenda that you just so happen to disagree with. As for the user you mentioned, the only comment I noticed that seemed even remotely 'assholey' was the last (and I've already made my point about concern for this sort of rhetoric being unwarranted in light of the context of this subreddit).

If not this then what else? You make the point that some of these users only seem to comment when the topic of socialism comes up, or when they have an opportunity to give a particular socialist perspective for a certain topic (again, in a political subreddit) and that these users should be removed.

Now, are you telling me that if these users had also made other comments that weren't somehow related to socialism (or any other dissenting ideology that you disagree with) that they wouldn't be subject to a ban!? I find this slightly hard to believe, but I'll see what you have to say.

Further, there's the idea that actual socialists shouldn't be allowed to chime in with a socialist perspective on issues or topics relating to socialism. If this isn't also naive, it's just hypocritical. Will we be banning liberal users who only comment on issues of relevance to liberals, pushing some liberal agenda? I doubt this again. It's much easier for you to focus and detect ideas which dissent from your own ideological position (and again, you DO have an ideological position) than to detect those ideas which appear 'normal' or acceptable from your own perspective.

Also, the Cutco Knives analogy is pretty shitty. I'm sorry if this is assholey (I would like this to remain civil) but I don't want to say what I'm about to say again: this is a political subreddit. Socialism (along with every other political ideology) is an inherently political issue. We shouldn't pretend this isn't true. Socialist criticisms of libertarianism will differ from those of liberals. Socialists, Communists and Anarchists make up a large portion of users in this subreddit. To act like these ideological positions aren't going to colour some of the discussion here is foolish.

Also, I'm sorry for being a dirty liar. Being an ignorant commie as I am, I only have a limited understanding of human nature...

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[+]SixBiscuitPaid shill of a Ron Paul delegate[🍰] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 22時間前 (2子コメント)

You've shifted from being irritated with people being 'assholes' to having a particular disagreement with people pushing a certain political agenda that you just so happen to disagree with.

My original position was, "If you're just here to be a smug asshole who is too cool for anyone that doesn't have a hammer and sickle tattooed on their ass then we're going to ban you." You're ignoring the rest of that.

And yes we realize that this is a political subreddit and politics will come up. After looking at a poster like the one I showed I have no idea what you're trying to do when you characterize this as "simply discussing politics" because it's not. Nor is it having a political agenda which I think you're confusing with having a political point-of-view or a political bias.

Socialist criticisms of libertarianism will differ from those of liberals.

Again nothing in that post history had really jack shit to do with socialist criticism of libertarianism. It was a socialist sealioning about socialism to users who were trying to talk about libertarianism.

And my Cutco Knives analogy can be replaced with people coming in here talking about their religion, their belief in direct democracy or whatever other point of view would coincide with a political subreddit. Just because we're a political subreddit does not mean we're a general political subreddit. We're a metareddit with a particular purpose within a larger political discussion community.

And yeah if he actually contributed to the sub like any number of socialists manage to do without making every single thing they say about socialism I wouldn't have banned him.

[–]-Ex- 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 21時間前 (0子コメント)

You're ignoring the rest of that.

I disagree. I was commenting on the fact that I asked you for specific examples of people acting like assholes (so that we actually have something to go by that isn't just your own vague language) but only one of your examples was actually relevant to what I had asked for.

Also, I'd like you to elaborate on your distinction between having a 'political point of view' and having a 'political agenda'. If this distinction of yours is a crucial part of this new rule and will influence its enforcement then you should have made this completely and absolutely clear at the very outset. No insults intended here, I like to think you all do a nice job of moderating, but in this case it's just sloppy.

Again nothing in that post history had really jack shit to do with socialist criticism of libertarianism. It was a socialist sealioning about socialism to users who were trying to talk about libertarianism.

I disagree. As per your last example, that thread had included libertarians criticizing feminism and the Soviet Union. In this case the user was responding to libertarian and passing liberal criticisms of the USSR (which tend to be rather similar in many cases but that's not the point). One problem I could easily point to in that thread was the way in which this user engaged with this topic by using hostile rhetoric (i.e. 'revisionist or pseudo-socialist liberal'). They could and should have been more mature. In that same thread, however, we also have what I can only assume to be some liberal commentator making equally hostile and 'assholish' remarks (i.e. 'worship at the feet of dead German philosophers that the rest of the world moved on from a century ago'). Are these comments related to libertarianism? Do they not serve in the interest of some political agenda? I could also point to some of your own comments here in this thread.

And I agree that we shouldn't expect people to come in here with the expectation that they can readily engage in some discussion of particular political topics that aren't directly related to libertarianism (there are other places for that), but you can't ignore that in many cases discussion of these topics can emerge from these initial discussions and are going to attract comment from users of different political stripes (this includes liberals).

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Failed to link snapshots of Stalinist discussion in this sub, not surprised one bit. So my whole interpretation of this is if any comment ranging outside of liberal thought or anything that disagrees with the moderators political beliefs is set for punishment? I am assuming you guys are liberals? With all due respect, its not like you guys just had an enlightened moment one day and realized that 1/3 of the user base ranges in the far left category which has been going on quite some time. So what were the events that made for this post? Not only are the mods trying to go their way to alienate some in this sub, they are trying to regulate speech coming from others that they do not agree with. This can be from Fascism, to Communism I don't care. Just admit it you guys have already set what the mods only want to hear in terms of ideology and I am assuming its mainstream liberal thought. If allowing at least a platform for others to express their beliefs which I can respect. And the worst thing that can happen is the down votes, if it gets to ideological extremes yeah I understand a ban but only under necessary circumstances. Which users consistently post leftist or right wing talking points which belong on other subs. Not, oh I don't appreciate what this guy is saying, let me use my power as a moderator and ban him from this sub.

Correct me if im wrong here, but I fail to see the problem of people being outside of the moderators beliefs in this sub to lurk or comment as long as it pertains to Libertarian foolishness. Ill personally admit it and be honest with you guys, I belong on the left end of the spectrum, and maybe you already knew checking my Reddit history. But, I respectfully acknowledge my beliefs stop when I enter other sub reddits such as this one. The lefties on this sub are not some Che Guevara t shirt wearing high-school idiots pandering on an emotional level that capitalism is bad because it hurts muh feelings on our apple laptops, holding up our right hand clenched in a fist. Fighting the real fight mods, against those darn reds! Bravo! I can link you a website for real left discussion, and you will actually see that it nowhere remotely represents what goes on in this sub on a daily basis.

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[–]SixBiscuitPaid shill of a Ron Paul delegate[M,🍰] -23ポイント-22ポイント-21ポイント 1日前* (4子コメント)

I really try not to go out of my way to start a political debate or pretend like this is another socialist/anarchist/communist sub.

And that's pretty much what we're asking. The attitude that some posters have expressed is basically that only far-left/pure socialist/communists ideology belongs here and that if you don't agree with that political stance then you're a fake and a phoney and should leave.

We even had one person who got all bent out of shape over me recently banning for this because "the sub used to not be this way" and that I was obviously an interloper that was brought in recently.

That kind of self-entitled bullshit isn't going to be tolerated. This is our house and we welcome anyone who wants to make fun of libertarians. If a poster is not mature and rational enough in their political beliefs to recognize and respect that other people believe other things then they should feel free to leave now. Also we're free to make fun of your beliefs if you think that North Korea is a paradise and that Citgo gives all their profits to poor Venezuelans.** Anyone is free to say that I'm wrong about Uber or mint chocolate-chip being the best ice cream flavor. No one is getting banned for disagreeing.*

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*Unless you're advocating some sort of coconut ice cream or bacon ice cream.

** Also, I may bang the girl that you're currently stuck in the friend zone with while you sleep in the next room over. Sorry Brandon... wait not sorry.

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I don't identify as a "Marxist" or "Communist" (despite being pretty far left) but i can safely say my position is backed by a comprehensive understanding of the topic. I could spend days detailing what i find to be disagreeable in Marx's theory of the State and the idea of a "common plan" (and what is agreeable in his analysis of history and society), detailing why the Leninist interpretation of Marx is a particularly flawed philosophy, why i think "Marxism-Leninism" and Maoism to be an incoherent and idealistic mess, what is and isn't valuable in Marxist theories in modern day academia and socio-political movements and in what ways the many different Marxist tendencies differ from each other. There is a reason why Marx is the most influential thinker in the history of the social sciences and it is better to actually know what he was going on about if you are going to agree or disagree with him, and this is what i chose to do, unlike you smug, ~~status quo hegemonic~~ pseudo-"reasonable"-types.

And with this stated, it is clear to everyone here that you have absolutely no clue on what may or may not be the flaws of "communism". I doubt you can cite a single one of the "simple solutions" to "complex problems" that "dem commies" supposedly preach. I doubt you can even accurately explain what "communism" (in the political, theoretical or historical senses of the word) is with out sneaking in a bunch of silly hegemonic ideology with it. If you read a single Anthropology book all of your priors about "how humans behave" would turn to dust. As Emma Goldman pointed out "Every fool, from king to policeman, from the flatheaded parson to the visionless dabbler in science, presumes to speak authoritatively of human nature."

Whatever the ideology of the mod team is, it is pretty damn obvious to everyone that a community dedicated to mocking the most rabidly capitalist ideology ever is going to attract anti-capitalists, and no wonder, us anti-capitalists made up as much as 40% of your userbase for quite a long time and many of the most active and most well-read critics of Libertarianism here are anti-capitalist. And none of this was any problem for this sub in years before you mods decided to throw a fit because someone disagreed with you on Uber and because "oh-hey this sub isn't dripping with hegemonic ideological thought and we don't like this".

This situation is absolutely pathetic, and your attempts to save-face have only embarrassed you further. Please, reconsider your actions if you don't want to be complete fools.

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Mr. /u/SixBiscuit was right in that "They see complex problems as simple problems with simple solutions."

Planned economies have consistently failed because the economy-planners simply could not accurately predict what the demand for many kinds of goods and services. Look at what kind of good do get subsidised. Stuff like food, education, and healthcare are all goods that are necesities, and as such have low-elasticity-of-demand; meaning price changes cause very little change in the quantity demanded, thus it's easier to economically model the quantity demanded for these kinds of goods.

Did I ever call myself a capitalist or a libertarian? No, I'm a mixed-economy supporter.

And most of all, if you genuinely believe that humans are inherently lazy, selfish and greedy, why in the bloody hell are you advocating for a system that rewards the absolute worst of humanity and punishes those who aren't greedy fucks?

It's not that all humans are like that, but society is designed around the 1% that are. Other wise there would be no need for laws or government at all. I support a well-regulated mixed-economy.

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No, they think they advocate for maximum personal liberty. They think that's going to be good for everyone, and surely despite the open self-interest that is altruistic¹ in some sense, but unlike communism, it's not advocating for a system of altruism^1. Their goal is a society where ideally everyone is self-reliant and self-responsible, with no intrinsic organized support systems.

And I frankly find this notion that both libertarians and communists are equally wrong ridiculous. If we're working within a framework that generally aims for human welfare, there are such things as right and wrong. Libertarianism is wrong. Communism is right.

And though you've not explicitly said it, it sounds like you're basically saying all extremism is bad. It's not. For one thing, "extreme" is always relative. And for another, I'd like to think being extreme about forbidding rape, for example, is pretty great.

I don't even mind your mod decision by the way. I've always kept my more radical opinions out of this sub. But the specific mentioning of commies is hilariously inconsistent and your attitude in this thread is ludicrous.

1: altruism isn't really the right choice of word here in my opinion, but I'm rolling with your definition for simplicity's sake

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So maybe, and I know this will come as a complete surprise to some, this is not the place for Very Serious Conversations but a place to have fun while we mock libertarians. Everyone likes fun right?

Between my friends/coworkers in the industry I work in we have, for a long time, maintained the saying "We like to have fun here." I'm always on-board the fun train.

I get off that train when people, such as yourself, make hilariously dumb posts like this. I mean, don't get me wrong, human nature arguments are always funny in a "wow what an idiot" kind of sense. But when the person forwards them as a serious claim, as a moderator of a subreddit putting down their new policy towards moderation, it's hard to back off that and claim "This is all just silly haha fun stuff".

No. You're just kind of dumb and want to straddle this fence to avoid any kind of backlash you may get.

But hey, someone on reddit somewhere said something about hurting Uber drivers so obviously that means something.

As an aside, I find all this stuff kind of hilarious because I've worked as a Lyft/Uber driver and know exactly what that stuff is like. Seeing socialists try to set workers against workers in that fashion is just as pathetic as Uber/Lyft trying to set workers against workers and consumers against workers.

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Apparently the fact that the mods don't subscribe to your political beliefs is really, really upsetting to you.

Really? Didn't pose a single problem in the roughly 2 years I've been coming to/posting on this subreddit. The irony is I don't really care that much. I just don't have qualms about pointing and laughing at idiots on reddit anymore.

This situation does remind me of my issues with some posters on /r/badeconomics. I absolutely love /r/badeconomics and think some of the posters there (even the ones I'm critical of) are vastly intelligent and competent and funny when they're talking about stuff they're trained in and know about. It's when they start saying dumb stuff from a position of authority that I get critical and everyone throws a shitfit because the Marxist has something to say about Marxist related topics.

In any event, you can dismiss me in that way if you'd like. I love petty slapfights but usually only with people I kind of respect. You're just dumb and trying to save face.

Edit: Meh, banned. Was going to share this with /u/GhostofRFS-kun

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[–]ergopraxis 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 17時間前 (1子コメント)

You banned MSFD? Seriously? Well that's just sad. The whole shitfest you two seem to have started is kind of sad.

I understand banning disruptive people. But if that's the point I see no reason to isolate commies as the ban recipients. If the point is to maintain some form of ideological purity then that will hurt the sub. I think the diversity of standpoints brought together against libertarianism are part of the appeal of the sub.

On a sidenote, if someone (such as you) tries to bait non-liberals and start a flamewar over communism and human nature in what sense isn't he disruptive exactly in the way you accuse the uber-communists of being disruptive? As I understand, what's being looked down on here, is directing attention away from how libertarians are wrong (I hope we can still mock them from standpoints outside of the dominant liberal one) and towards which of the various ideologies that are hostile to libertarianism is more obviously right.

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