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[–]JDlx 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

The only number that matters to Lexus buyers is usually resale value. They're stupidly reliable luxury cars in a segment with a reputation for unreliability. I don't think Toyota cares that the 3-series, C-Class, and A4 are faster. Nobody buys a Lexus for performance; that said a good looking smaller car that's "quick enough" for "most people" is a probably solid addition to the Lexus lineup.

It's just good to see Toyota accepting the inevitable and adding a snail to an engine compartment, let's hope the 't' options start to show up elsewhere in the company.

[–]ColossalCalamariくコ:彡 くコ:彡 くコ:彡 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can confirm. Own lexus. Don't care about how fast it is. It's luxurious enough for me and super reliable and parts cost nothing compared to the Germans.

When I want speed I get on my sport bikes.

[–]Bretty_boy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly the same here, considered the German competition but ended up with an is250 and could not be happier. My car is for relaxing, the motorbike for when I want to raise the heart rate.

[–]Popsiclestix1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same here as well. I bought my IS350 for it's reliability compared to its competitors. Resale value however wasn't in my considerations.

It'll be interesting to see how the additional complexity of a turbocharger will do for the reliability of the powertrain.

[–]imjustsomeucsdkid 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No!! Thats not all we care about at all!!

We also care about...umm...actually, thats just about all we care about.

[–]CancelledEyesLexus IS200 Sport 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It looks like they're introducing a FI V6 to the range also. They took out a bunch of 300 trademarks.

[–]eedoamitay2005 G35 Coupe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i see more is 250s anyway and they produce roughly the same hp

[–]therealAce02 Lexus IS300 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

God dammit. You couldn't make just ONE of your cars manual, could you Lexus?? And I was going to buy one of these too...fuck.

[–]31rhcp2013 Mazda3 GS-SKY 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't be surprised if the 3 Series and the ATS are the only cars in their class available with a manual in NA when the new A4 comes out. Audi doesn't offer one in the A3 and I would actually be surprised if the A4 offers one next gen. The Mercedes C Class, Acura TLX, Infiniti Q50 and Volvo S60 also don't offer a manual as far as I know.

[–]GG_Loner 17ポイント18ポイント  (24子コメント)

7 seconds for 0-60 seems really slow

[–]Snoring_Eagle2014 Lexus GS 350 12ポイント13ポイント  (20子コメント)

That's quicker than the current IS250 though. I assume it's going to take the place of that.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 8ポイント9ポイント  (19子コメント)

compared to the 5.6 seconds on a 240 HP BMW 328i and a 6.6 second 0-60 on a 220 HP FWD Audi and a 6.5 second 0-60 on a 241 hp c300?

[–]GoP-Demon/r/BestMotoring, 03 Corolla, 01 S2000 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

hmmm might be closer to the 320i than 328i

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

320i has a underrated 180hp though :/ and it'll also be a good bit cheaper...

[–]GoP-Demon/r/BestMotoring, 03 Corolla, 01 S2000 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

the 320i is like $33k, the lexus is250 is $36. The 328i is like $37. I feel like this 7.0s is just speculation anyway.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lexus isn't exactly known for their performance for the engine output... and their gearing ratio in their transmission and new chassis set-up (while better than the outgoing one) doesn't help either...

And if the new RC class is anything to go by, their new car would be bloated too lol.

[–]efectsZ34-N, 500e 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

its probably that shitbox 8AT. too many gears to shift through. i know my brother's IS250 with the 6AT is an unbearably slow shifter. even in "sport" mode

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Maybe, but the BMW 328i also has a 8AT and that does it in 5.6 seconds with roughly the same horses and weight...

Gearing ratio can only account for so much... doubt it would make a whole 1.5 seconds difference though...

[–]efectsZ34-N, 500e 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

i think the gearing makes a huge difference. if 1st/2nd are tall enough, all you have is 1 gear change. the 328i and is250 have almost the same exact curb weight. you can guestimate that the is200t will have very similar or slightly less weight too.

on the current 6AT in the is250, the gearing is terrible. i can't say for sure, since it's been a while since i've driven one, but i feel that the car is in 3rd gear by the time it hits 60. the damn car is geared for economy, and definitely not speed

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, but having larger gear would also mean that the car accelerates slower in each gear...

It's like saying that if you put the gear tall enough to hit 60 in the first gear, it would be faster...

[–]efectsZ34-N, 500e 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

right, i wont get into all of the specifics because even i dont know how it all works exactly. but for instance, if you have a higher final drive gear, you're going to be accelerating faster than a lower final drive, shifting more, but also, since these engines are both turbo'd, that has an effect on the turbo tuning as well. faster spooling turbo...etc etc. you can definitely tune a car to get from 0-60 faster simply by playing with diff/trans gears and tuning. that's all i'm trying to convey haha (then there's also wheel diameters that play a role...oh boy)

[–]TuesdayAfternoonYep 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If your shifts are literally instant, using up all 8 gears to get to 60 would usually be the fastest.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think what you mean is using 8 gears that staggered so that the 8th gear ratio is 60 mph at the edge of the redzone lol.

[–]cookingboy2013 BMW 335i Sport 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except the BMW is notorious for underrate their engine, the 328i most likely has close to 280hp instead of 240. One theory is that BMW uses actual wheel horsepower numbers instead of flywheel horsepower numbers.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I posted below that the 328i is putting out like 220-230 HP on the dyno stock which is around 260-270 hp at the crank.

The best guesstimate I've figured is the actual hp in their cars is to take their rated HP figures and subtract 5% and you got the WHP.

[–]Popsiclestix1234 -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because 0-60 is the only thing that matters in a sports sedan...

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

When you're paying a similar amount of money for a similar car? you better want it.

[–]Popsiclestix1234 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because reliability, resale value, comfort, material quality, and other things don't matter?

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because those sells cars right? So please tell me why even though Lexus has better reliability, slightly better resale, comfort is depending on the brand compared, material quality is slightly better, and etc, it the most stagnated brand out of the big 4?

[–]Popsiclestix1234 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Apparently those things do sell cars. As evidenced by Lexus strong market position in the luxury vehicle market.

I'm not sure why you think brand stagnation has anything to do with how many vehicles 0-60 times sell.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You mean they haven't progressed in market position for years... and audi has gained market share against mb, bmw, and Lexus in terms of overall market share..

[–]ghettokhan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not bad. Fine for me public roads. I prefer slower cars that really powerful ones for my dd

[–]post_breakBoosted Toyabaru -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slower than an FRS lol.

[–]guy_incognito7842014 BMW 335i M-Sport 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Finally, the 2.5L V6 is such a dated engine that's grossly underwhelming with its low power and fuel economy. I figured it was only a matter of time since they introduced the 2.0L turbo four cylinder in the NX CUV that it'd find it's way into the IS.

At least on paper it seems to be on par with the 328i but the 0-60 time of around 7 seconds still is pretty bad for the class.

[–]BadMofoWallet 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It has 8 gears they want this thing to cruise at 80mph with 1.5k rpm. This is econobox deluxe which is what most Lexus are

[–]gimpwiz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess it's an unpopular opinion, but entirely true. Performance isn't impressive; it's just a normal toyota that looks and feels better.

[–]indifferential2006 focus 8ポイント9ポイント  (28子コメント)

Guess I'm spoiled by bigger hp number, but that seems so week. There are just so many cars I'd take over that.

[–]ServerOfJusticeF80 M3 8ポイント9ポイント  (27子コメント)

But it's basically identical to all of the competition? 328i and C300 are literally the same output. Cadillac's 2.0T is a bit higher at 272, Audi a bit lower at 220.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 4ポイント5ポイント  (25子コメント)

Except the IS200t would be slower than all of those cars in terms of acceleration... They listed it at a 7 second 0-60 while the BMW 328i has 5.6s, Audi a4 has 6.6s and Mercedes c300 has 6.5s...

even the BMW 320i rated at 180hp has a 6.7s 0-60...

[–]ServerOfJusticeF80 M3 5ポイント6ポイント  (22子コメント)

Hey he was just complaining about the output, not the performance.

7 seconds is crap for the segment but maybe we should actually wait until these things have actually been measured before blindly accepting the word of some blog.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (21子コメント)

output is pretty much equivalent to performance... why bother with a higher output car if it performs like crap?

[–]ServerOfJusticeF80 M3 4ポイント5ポイント  (20子コメント)

This is more effort than I thought I'd put into defending Lexus since I don't really care for them as a brand, but...

Maybe Lexus is being conservative? They claim 0-60 of 7.7 for the current 250 while Motortrend pulled half a second better with 7.2. If the same half second conservative estimate holds then this could well be running a 6.5 second 0-60, equal to Merc and Audi by your numbers.

Could be as simple that Lexus is giving you the 0-100 kph (62 mph) time without rollout where American magazines usually give you 0-60 mph with rollout.

Point is nobody knows til it gets tested.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (19子コメント)

What you said is true of basically every manufacturer since what I stated was manufacturer numbers... BMW's 5.6 is actually around 5.2-5.3... Audi's stated 6.6 is actually around 6.3... Mercedes stated 6.5 is actually around 6.2-6.4...

[–]ServerOfJusticeF80 M3 1ポイント2ポイント  (18子コメント)

I mean it'll still be still slow, no denying that. Still a decent improvement over the 250, sadly.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

Well, that's why peope buy Lexus for the brand and reliability lol. and not for the good driving dynamics or performance...

Still waiting to see how reliable new turbo engine are though since it's their first venture into turbo cars...

[–]LasseD 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

Lexus had a turbo on the IS220d. The parent company has made reliable turbos for ages.

[–]MoonlightSurf 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm actually more impressed with the 328i than I am disappointed by the IS200t.

A 5.6s 0-60 in a 3300lb+, sub 250hp car is fucking great to be honest.

As for the Lexus, 7.0s is definitely underwhelming but compared to 6.5s & 6.6s, I wouldn't say it's outright terrible. It gets close enough to the competitors' average IMO.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

BMW underrates their engines usually by 5%+. the stock N20 engine in a x28i car shows that it puts out around high 220s to mid 230s HP to the wheels on a Dynojet Dyno. Around 15% loss from powertrain and etc puts it actually at around 270 hp...

[–]indifferential2006 focus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes more sense now then. Guess I'm not the type of person to get an entry level luxury car.

[–]HulksInvinciblePants 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

While I've always been a general fan of the IS line, I just don't see the value here. Competitive sport sedans/hatchbacks are pushing the 300hp mark, and the negative press regarding the RC-F hasn't really helped Lexus's reputation as a sports car manufacturer.

Also, 0-62 in 7 seconds seems a bit anemic by today's standards.

[–]KyfeHeartsword'03 RSX Tiptronic | '74 Spitfire 1500 [retired racecar] 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

This is most likely replacing the IS250, which only made 206 hp and 189 torque. This is a base level trim car to compete with the 240 hp 320i and the 248 hp C300, both of which have 2.0 turbos. You could even include the A4, but that is FWD, which also has a 2.0 turbo putting out 220 hp and 258 torque.

[–]mvs5191 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

That engine is just dismal.

2.5L V6 that was neither good for power, torque, nor fuel economy.

[–]eunjis_skyline 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm. I've driven an IS250 as a loaner for about a week after taking in my own Lexus for service, and I had to stamp the throttle to the floor and shove the sucker into manual-shift just to get close to enough torque to actually enter a freeway at a decent speed (its slushbox automatic couldn't do it), not something I would've expected from a luxury car. If I remember correctly, it got even worse fuel economy than the IS350.

[–]12AccordCoupe+ 2006 Acura TL 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

The 328i has 240hp. The 320i has 180hp IIRC.

And it'd compete against the C250 rather than the C300, no?

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

MB doesn't make the C250 anymore. (since like 2-3 years ago lol) C300 is their lower tier of C class

[–]ServerOfJusticeF80 M3 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

MB still makes a C250 and it's not close to being the least powerful motor they put in the car, either.

They don't offer anything less than the C300 in the US, though.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Edit: my bad

Yeah, only because in the U.S. people require more power on everything lol.

and the C250 costs less than the IS250 (which the IS200t will replace and cost about the same) by a good margin...

[–]thelastdeskontheleft2003 IS300 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah lets see what they do with the 350 to really tell how serious they are in this new gen.

[–]HulksInvinciblePants -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough, but I would still consider all of those poor values.

[–]JacksterTO 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

People who buy the low-end IS probably don't care about 0-60mph times. If they did they'd buy an IS350.

[–]LasseD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In Europe there is no IS350 - this is the most powerful version we get.

[–]KyfeHeartsword'03 RSX Tiptronic | '74 Spitfire 1500 [retired racecar] 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is good news that they are experimenting with the drivetrain in smaller cars, but the IS is still a pretty heavy car at ~3450 lbs. It is a step up in power from the IS250 though, and that is good (and they didn't go BMW on the name and try to call it the IS300). It looks as though Lexus is targeting the 320i, C300, and A4, but at a lower price.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's targeting the same people as it has always been lol. People who want a lower repair cost (maintenance is around the same as the other luxury cars) luxury car that doesn't care about how it drives or how fast it is.

[–]therealAce02 Lexus IS300 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's a grossly incorrect thing to say that lexus drivers don't care about the drive lol. Whether it's the 86 year old gentlemen that wants to have a super comfy ride for road trips to the lake so he gets the LS460. Or the 25 year old who wants something sporty that handles well and hops into an is350, lexus owners care about how it drives lol. Any owner does.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They don't like a "sporty" and connected feeling car then. Cause the current IS 350 F-sport (while better than the 2nd gen IS cars) is still miles behind both Audi and BMW in terms of how it feels.

[–]ProcrastinatingNow 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hmm..I've seen a bunch of reviews that say the opposite. The IS350 F-sport is supposedly more fun to drive than the 335i.

e.g. http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/road-tests/reviews/a5213/the-comparison-65-3-roa1013/

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that article said that it's the most balanced of the cars because it's got the best interior and a competent driving sense.

Never said anything about being a better driver's car.

[–]Sting4S 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

They need to do an IS that can do 0-60 in 4.8 seconds.

[–]pet_the_puppy95 SC300 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

IS-F

[–]Popsiclestix1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 2nd-gen IS350 will also do 0-60 in ~4.8 seconds. The rear diff is a crazy 4.06. I've gotten 1.88 60' times at the dragstrip on street tires.

[–]vinylscratchp0n398 Subaru Legacy GT wagon, 82 Subaru GL wagon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No manual, no buy from me.

[–]pet_the_puppy95 SC300 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So will there be a new IS-F to go up against the M3 and RS4?

[–]bomberman4472011 Acura TSX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good move to replace the 2.5L. Do they have something in the pipeline to replace the 3.5 though? I have thought the same about acura, the TLX would be more appealing with turbo power.

[–]Hermit527 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I'd still go with the IS350. Sure, it's not blisteringly fast, but the feel of hearing a V6 is just much better for me than a turbocharged 4 cylinder. Also, I only consider Lexus for reliability, not for performance.

[–]U3011335i Coupe w/ Exhaust + 2012 Pilot EX, Fully loaded both 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm curious about two things with this model. How numb/feely the steering is and how much sound suppression they used for the cabin. Lexuses have excellent sound suppression, but that comes at a cost. It's nearly airtight resulting in having to use the AC nearly all the time if you've got 2 or more people in the car. At least here in SoCal.

[–]killerhurtalot01' A6 2.8/11' 135i 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing I'm most interested about is did they do anything to fix how it drives... (They made good progress with the new f-sport suspension, but still more boring to drive compared to a Audi and a BMW...)

[–]Uluvmylean2010 Mustang GT -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lexus can put however many horsepower into their cars as they want, they'll all still weigh too much.

[–]muuc[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Any thoughts? It looks like the announcement is from Lexus EU, I hope it will also come to the US.

At this moment only the RWD IS200t is confirmed, I would like the IS200t AWD because of the terrible snow storms in the past few winters.

[–]killswithspoon'98 Civic LX / '00 CRV 5MT (The Green Bastard) 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neat, I wonder what the MSRP will be?

[–]JimGuthrie -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It seems like a really WEIRD offering to me. RWD, 8 speed auto, 4 door... 2.0t? I mean what's the target audience here. I like the IS series, and the 8at, it just feels like an odd combination, especially without an AWD option.

[–]RedditCarsPorsche 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

How is that weird..? Thats literally equivalent to BMW offering the 328i: RWD, 8 speed auto, 4 doors, 2.0T. Same with Mercedes.

[–]JimGuthrie -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe I just don't keep up with luxury cars close enough, I guess if that's what the cool kids are doing, it makes sense.

[–]mintz41'14 CLS63S AMG & '08 GTI Stage 2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

luxury cars

bmw 328