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[–]dogshit_taco 2246ポイント2247ポイント  (181子コメント)

This is absolute gold and holy fuck do I hope it comes true.

[–]SwishSwishDeath[🍰] 768ポイント769ポイント  (158子コメント)

My friend at work recently had his car repo'd because his ex wife missed a payment on the truck she got in the divorce. They couldn't find her truck, and since she didn't take his name off of all the paperwork they towed his car.

This is why I have no intention of any kind of marriage. Divorce can fuck you like no other, especially if you're a man.

[–]_My_Angry_Account_ 135ポイント136ポイント  (34子コメント)

They couldn't find her truck, and since she didn't take his name off of all the paperwork they towed his car.

Isn't that theft? They stole his car because his ex defaulted on another vehicle that had his name on it?

If you owe me money for a car, I'm not allowed to steal your TV and hold it ransom. Did he get his car back?

[–]Forgototherpassword 105ポイント106ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]GoatsieLicker 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

An oldie, but still a beautiful story.

[–]Whind_Soull 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the epitome of justice porn. The quintessential, "No, you're out of order!"

[–]SwishSwishDeath[🍰] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

He got it back, but he had to pay for it. I don't know if she has to pay him back but she has to get his name off of everything within the next two months.

Seems a little BS to give her two more months when it was supposed to be done a long time ago, but what do I know?

[–]ElMorono 13ポイント14ポイント  (23子コメント)

Exactly what I was thinking. If the poster had a gun, could he legally shoot the repo men, because he thought they were stealing it?

[–]_beast__ 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm pretty sure it's never okay to shoot the repo man, because you could just leave with your car. What's stopping you? Then after you leave you call your fucking lawyer and hope you've got a bit of money cuz you'll be fucked if you don't.

[–]_My_Angry_Account_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

because you could just leave with your car. What's stopping you?

Not if it has already been hitched. You aren't going anywhere but where the tow truck drive takes you car.

[–]ElMorono 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said it was ok I'm saying it's a possibility this could happen.

[–]caedin8 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not in Texas. I have a right to kill you if you try to take my property.

[–]evapor8ted 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Cross collateral... When you take a loan you pledge all other collateral the bank has against you. You'll also see credit unions in particular repo when a credit card is behind.

[–]_My_Angry_Account_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wouldn't that require that the repossessed car had (at some point) a loan against it by the same bank/credit union that the truck did?

My understanding of cross collateralization is that both (or several) things are listed as collateral with a single financial institution and those things can be interchangeably repossessed. They can't just say, "hey, you owe us money on a car. So we're just gonna take something else you own of comparable value."

[–]LucasSatie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was my understanding as well. You can put up additional assets as security but it's just those assets and if you choose to get an unsecured loan then the bank takes all the risk.

And I believe lien is the word you're looking for. It's when they press a claim against an asset.

[–]BeyondElectricDreams 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think they can. I know there's a property lean you can do in the case of a secure line of credit, like a car.

Also there was that story where the bank fraudulently charged someone 500$ and wouldn't respond to the legal summons so the guy was allowed to go to their office to claim $500 worth of property. They coughed up then, but it was not only legal, he went there with the sherrif to take their stuff.

Varies state to state, i think.

[–]iamplasma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, but presumably that is what happened in this case. I mean, really, as much as everybody loves circlejerking about evil banks they usually don't engage in blatantly illegal conduct like just stealing people's cars.

Besides, if the car hadn't been given to them as collateral at some stage how would they even know to repo it at all?

[–]SIDNLandJessica 183ポイント184ポイント  (98子コメント)

If you co-habitate long enough, they will treat you like you are married in court. You'll have to make sure your partner doesn't list your address as their primary address or else you are still screwed.

[–]unpossibru 148ポイント149ポイント  (79子コメント)

My divorce lawyer said that is not true here. He told me I shouldn't get married again, but living together was fine. Here you're only considered common law if you actually tell people you're married.

[–]Broduski 39ポイント40ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think it depends on the state too. I'm pretty sure my state doesn't recognize common law marriage.

[–]Upvote_every_cat 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Common law got repealed in California in the 1890s. Woot woot!

[–]unpossibru 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most states don't.

[–]NickRausch 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The thing is common law marriage can refer to two very different things. For a long time if people moved in together and started living as a married couple and publicly representing themselves as a married couple and there were no legal barriers to them being one, then they were married.

Then there is this new common law marriage some places in which the government treats your relationship as a marriage based solely on a time frame and romantic cohabitation. In that case the participants don't have to hold themselves to be married or even want it.

[–]angrytwerker 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the second one re: Cohabitation is called de facto.

[–]Malphael 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most states don't if I remember correctly. Don't quote me on that though.

[–]Hubris_of_Youth 183ポイント184ポイント  (38子コメント)

Lots of inaccurate legal 'facts' being upvoted in this thread.

[–]blank_sunday_stares 128ポイント129ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did you know they can't try a husband and wife for the same crime?

[–]Hubris_of_Youth 100ポイント101ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have the worst fucking attorneys

[–]NeonXero 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Talk me off.

Talk you off what?

[–]sonofaresiii 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, if you ask if they're a cop they have to tell you

[–]HadSexyBroughtBack 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you shout "Objection!" during the hearing they legally can't give anything you have to your ex without her invoking trial by combat.

[–]GreenBlueAqua 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But what about the men who have heavyweight boxer wives? Or fencing champion wives?

[–]unpossibru 48ポイント49ポイント  (20子コメント)

Yes, people have repeated these myths for so long that they have no clue what the truth is. I have to admit I was worried about it as well until my divorce lawyer set me straight. It's something people like to repeat without knowing anything about it.

[–]Hubris_of_Youth 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

We've all been guilty of it at some time or another. I spent two decades convinced marijuana actually sped up a person's metabolism.

[–]frontseatdog 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

This explains the failure of my weight loss program.

[–]sonofaresiii 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bet it was a fun program though

[–]overflowingInt 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

...there are other metabolisms

Cerebellar metabolism yes.

[–]Phrygue 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Divorce varies by state considerably, and even by judge.

[–]pixl_graphix 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is the truth. Two of my clients are family attorneys, in cases involving divorces with kids the judge you get if there are any caseworkers involved. Two people can witness the same thing and weave totally different stories. That can make a world of difference in front of the judge.

[–]josh_legs 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

Leave it to Reddit to talk like it knows what it's talking about. Most redditors are arrogant pricks who know everything and everyone should listen to them. Me excluded. I really do know everything.

[–]frontseatdog 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Guess how many finger I'm holding up.

[–]josh_legs 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

None. You were using them to type.

[–]racingfortheprize 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I bet they did it without using their left pinky finger. Trust me, I know these things.

[–]sonofaresiii 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, you know everything? I know everything! We should hang out.

[–]Asidious66 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

You have been subscribed to reddit legal facts!

Did you know that a cop HAS to tell you if hes a cop? If not, its entrapment!

To unsubscribe, please respond stop

[–]EverWatcher 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

(It's still better than CatFacts.)

[–]R3AL1Z3 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've been subscribed to Cat Facts!

Did you know cats are jerks?

[–]josemon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can you say that without knowing where he is from?

[–]AplusGentelman 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the Caribbean we call it " free union" and yes even if you aren't married but have been living as a couple for long time you be screwed just the same as if you were married legally.

[–]SIDNLandJessica 5ポイント6ポイント  (11子コメント)

If there is a dispute over assets, you will get treated the same in any state. If you just part ways and can prove your partner was essentially "an extended house guest", you might be fine in some states. I wouldn't trust that notion.

[–]unpossibru 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure there could be disputes over certain assets, but it doesn't mean it's the same as a marriage. They wouldn't be entitled to half the money you earned, half your retirement accounts, alimony, etc.

[–]Bi-Polar-Bob 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, it was my understanding that only 9 states actually recognize common-law marriage..

[–]CiscoEnt 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm pretty sure this depends on the state you live in.

[–]SuitGuy 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is true. Most states won't recognize what is called "common law marriages" at all and the ones that do are quite strict about the requirements.

[–]2rio2 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is absolutely 100% not true in the US. Common law marriages require way more than common addresses, and are now no longer valid in most states and even the ones that have it only apply to probate (when you die) not divorce. Anything else would just be treated like a contract and not a divorce.

[–]BrinkBreaker 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

I like the idea I've seen recently of short term marriage contracts. Like a 2-3 year marriage, that you can either renew or cease at any of those interval dates.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like a 2-3 year marriage

Then what's the fucking point to begin with?

[–]thenichi 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

While I like the concept I don't like extra government paperwork when they charge $50 just to file a fucking paper.

[–]iareslice 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just... get a prenup?

[–]Maxxxz1994 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some asshole judges ignore them in some circumstances for some fucked-up reason.

[–]Banshee90 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

How will they decide custody?

[–]BreakfastTamales 90ポイント91ポイント  (1子コメント)

They might actually have to consider who is the better parent.

[–]lightCycleRider 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's a crazy idea... what if divorce proceedings had a blind system where the genders of each party were kept secret from the judge. If all information was filtered through a 3rd party, you'd get a ruling based solely on the details of case.

I'm sure someone can come up with reasons why that would never work, but in my I'm-about-to-go-to-bed brain, it seems like a cool idea to think about.

[–]altrsaber 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same way they do now, the one with the bigger boobs gets the kid.

[–]BlueRazzDingleBerry 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aha! I knew my moobs would come in handy one day!

[–]Darius_Jones 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its unclear who they would fuck over with two or no guys.

[–]MyFavoriteSandwich 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This one here... It cut me deep.

[–]Bi-Polar-Bob 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gay Divorce Court is going to be my reason for hooking cable back up to my house...

[–]JackNorthropsGhost 424ポイント425ポイント  (69子コメント)

Im a man who has full custody of four daughters and I get A few thousand and change every month for child support

Women hate me - literally

[–]lolredditor 73ポイント74ポイント  (10子コメント)

A few thousand for child support? How well off was your wife 0.o

[–]JackNorthropsGhost 84ポイント85ポイント  (9子コメント)

When we split we had a quarter million dollar a year financial based business- in the interim three years though her poor lifestyle choices have gotten the best of her

[–]NEVERGETMARRIED 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Must be nice.

Father of 3 boys, no child support.

[–]Banshee90 170ポイント171ポイント  (38子コメント)

How can you do that to her. Take the kids and make her pay child support hasn't she been through enough. Be a real man and not need your ex wife's money to raise your child asshole. /s

[–]JackNorthropsGhost 122ポイント123ポイント  (33子コメント)

Dude she has a different dick every night. She's a needle meth user. Would you want any children even 10 miles away from that shit? Well neither would the (female) judge it appears

[–]Castaway77 89ポイント90ポイント  (0子コメント)

/s means the comment was sarcasm. Not sure if you know that

[–]mrv3 110ポイント111ポイント  (17子コメント)

Just because she does drug and is a bad parent doesn't mean she's a bad parent because she's a woman.

You on the otherhand are a man therefore bad parent

Divorce courts logic.

[–]JackNorthropsGhost 37ポイント38ポイント  (15子コメント)

Happened to get lucky with a judge that was a woman but also a complete hard ass. This judge once sentenced a man to 20 years in prison for failure to pay child support.

[–]mrv3 48ポイント49ポイント  (6子コメント)

From the stories I hear it seems to me like Women tend to be better judges in divorce cases. Practically everytime I hear of a man getting the children it was a woman judge.

I hope you're very happy and best of luck.

TIP: Never EVER EVER take any parenting tip from an advice animal. EVER.

[–]JackNorthropsGhost 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thank you! When I was a young man I used to think I need to force my ideas on people. I'm pushing 40 now and I really just like to watch These days. I'm hoping one day I will grow wise and have a cool beard

[–]mrv3 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The American Dream is having a cool beard.

[–]virnovus 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Back when Hillary Clinton was campaigning in 2008, there were studies being published that showed that female politicians didn't have as much of an advantage with female voters as you'd think, because women tend to judge each other more harshly than they judge men. That could be what's going on here, too.

[–]proROKexpat 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

That just seems so ironic

"You aren't paying child support so I'm going send you to prison where you won't even have a chance of following the law"

[–]Timbiat 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd be interested to see if the same sentence would be applied to a woman by that judge. My dad missed a few payments on the kid he had with his first wife and they threatened to throw him in jail and garnished his wages. Fast forward 15 years after he had won custody of my brother and me in his divorce with my mom and she was $36,000 behind, only actually made one weekly payment of the $52 per week she was supposed to and the courts wouldn't do anything.

[–]HandBananaHammock 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

How does a tweaker afford a few thousand a month?

[–]JackNorthropsGhost 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

She can still trick a few ppl. Recently I heard she's been stealing clients tax returns- I really hope that's not true

[–]Banshee90 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

/s was important

Though I'm sure she had to be a big pos for a woman to lose her child

[–]curtcolt95 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was being sarcastic, not a dick, just in case you missed it.

[–]EnjoysMangal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're lucky you got a female judge.

Family law is a place where misogyny and misandry team up to protect the poor women and hurt the bad men.

[–]ozzyvixen 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

How is she a hard drug user and able to afford those support payments?

Honest question, I'm baffled.

Edit: saw the answer in other comments.

[–]nowaygreg 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Women HATE him! Find out his secret!

Wait...

[–]ChokinMrElmo 930ポイント931ポイント  (27子コメント)

"Wait, if they're both the husband then how do we know who we're supposed to fuck over in the proceedings?" - every divorce court judge after today

[–]mmofiend 228ポイント229ポイント  (4子コメント)

The one in the flannel suit.

[–]Dystopian_Dreamer 167ポイント168ポイント  (17子コメント)

"Why not fuck them both?" - every divorce court lawyer.

[–]Banshee90 132ポイント133ポイント  (12子コメント)

That would be gay.

[–]MaxFreedomMoussa 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

This reminds me of a joke. A priest and a Rabbi are walking down the street, and they see an unattended kid walking alone. The priest says, "Let's fuck him!" The Rabbi says, "Out of what?"

[–]etinaz 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Two husbands the courts can easily fuck over.

The real problem is two wives, how do they deal with that?

[–]Senray 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm honestly optimistic that this will get judges seeing men more equally in family cases.

[–]WHATS_EATING_MY_FACE 462ポイント463ポイント  (131子コメント)

It's funny, helping same-sex couples reach equality can actually lead to people rethinking what they previously thought was equality in the first place. If this happens, it's possible that divorces won't be so biased against men getting custody or other such inequalities. But that might be just wishful thinking..

[–]loadedmong 124ポイント125ポイント  (71子コメント)

I couldn't care less about gay marriage, I just wish we ALL had the same rights and privileges. Why should only married people get tax breaks and cheaper health insurance?

[–]Royal_Robin 74ポイント75ポイント  (45子コメント)

Bachelors are actually pretty bad for the economy. There's been a tax on being single since ancient rome

[–]Aeto_the_Wizard 44ポイント45ポイント  (22子コメント)

How does that work? We eat the same amount of food as anyone else, and if anything we probably buy more frivolous things than a family does. Sure we don't pay out the ear for childcare and children's toys, but neither does a married family with no children.

If you have children, I'm all for you getting a tax break. But not just because you're married.

[–]NEVERGETMARRIED 51ポイント52ポイント  (6子コメント)

Single father here. Tax breaks are the fucking shit. Sure mom doesn't pay child support or help in any way. Sure I handle every responsibility as a parent. But I'll be damned if I don't get my 3k from uncle Sam every year.

[–]Aeto_the_Wizard 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

And that's great. You should get a tax break. Sounds like you're dealing with a lot. Also, relevant username.

[–]miogato2 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

That money was yours to begging with :/

[–]NEVERGETMARRIED 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nah man. The money I spend on my kids is the money I earned. I don't need a handout from their mom. Nor do I need help from her. However, I worked every second for every penny I made. It's not the government's buisness to touch my money. If I can get a tax break, I'll take it all.

[–]CrazyLeprechaun 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because of added responsibility of supporting a family married men are required to be more productive. Whereas bachelors can live very well on a much more modest salary, same goes for childless couples to an extent. That's not to say that there aren't productive bachelors, there certainly are, it's just that on average they aren't under as much pressure to make money. If they make a little less one month, then they just tighten up their belt and buy less beer. If a married man makes less money for a period of time, he can get into financial trouble a lot more quickly.

I'm saying this as a bachelor with no intention of reproducing.

[–]Mighty_Johnson23 17ポイント18ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think because they're less likely to buy a house.

[–]Aeto_the_Wizard 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

Apartments and condos don't contribute to the economy?

[–]Mighty_Johnson23 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not as much as a mortgage on a house I'd imagine, particularly versus a house big enough for a family. In just spitballing though.

[–]McFluffy_Butts 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know, 1 apartment building can generate a lot of revenue. Relatively small area people use a lot of resources. They need food, water, power. They go out to bars eat and drink. Go to small places a family wouldn't normally go. I think it broadens the scope of spending and doesn't go towards as much say a mortgage company/bank/ insurance companies and spreads it around more. Though I am just spit balling as well.

[–]Aeto_the_Wizard 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was referring more to the property tax aspect. Those taxes generate more for the economy than a mortgage with modest interest.

[–]Im_Boring_AYA 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why is this? I'm not doubting you, but it seems like single people would need to spend more per person than a family. Spending helps the economy, right?

[–]Royal_Robin 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm no expert but im pretty sure a family unit would spend more money. Sure the rent and utilities and food costs are getting split between two people, but you suddenly have more money for extra stuff like movies and dining out. You also have two incomes to support a loan for larger priced item like a car or house.

[–]thenichi 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

How are they bad for the economy?

[–]Royal_Robin 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

They tend to spend less than a family unit and its typically harder for them to support large loans.

[–]thenichi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Family units are generally more than one person, so I could see why they spend less individually. Families on the other hand spend less from the savings involved in not having to buy multiples of many things.

(That said, even then a lot of benefits could be had from long term but not lifelong non-romantic partnership arrangements if they were made into a thing.)

[–]pt_Hazard 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

Its good to have kids, but too many is a burden on society. We should cap exemptions and welfare benefits at 3 dependents. One child is difficult to raise properly. You're going to have a hard time raising more than three, if you want them to have a nice childhood and good future standard of living.

[–]Royal_Robin 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

I didn't say anything about kids. Are you sure you replied to the right comment?

[–]pt_Hazard 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, being a couple in Roman society meant that you are likely going to have kids as there was a lack of effective contraceptives. Having children stimulates the economy now, just as it was important to maintain a sizable population back then, and thus an incentive to form couples and likely procreate.

[–]Royal_Robin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a modern society having children and being married can easily be mutually exclusive. Being together alone stimulates the economy by having two paychecks and credit scores to support loans and to absorb the costs of more frequent date nights, vacations, and other non necessities.

[–]PenisInBlender 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The idea that the married tax rate is significantly better is ludicrous. It's really only advantageous (to a serious amount) is if one person makes far more than the other.

Because the low earner helps to lower the "average" wage and so the higher wage "flows" to the others lower tax bracket.

[–]solepsis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

married filing jointly. Plus rebates and credits for the things that come along with the typical married crowd like kids and a mortgage.

[–]Aeto_the_Wizard 13ポイント14ポイント  (17子コメント)

Single people without children should also be allowed to leave work early on occasion just because. The number of parents I saw leave because their child was sick at home while the father was home... It's crazy.

[–]glitterot 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think you can take sick days if you are sick or a family member is sick. So a single person should be able to leave work early to care for parents or other family members.

[–]Scubetrolis 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

people use kids for all kinds of excuses. not sure if they are true or not, i dont have any.

[–]LucasSatie 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Most of the time they're bullshit excuses.

I have a co-worker with two children aged 11 and 14 and she still uses them as excuses.

[–]jackal858 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those ages don't seem beyond the age of excuse worthy. I mean, if you said 23 and 26, I'd see your point.

[–]herbertmyfuzzy 5ポイント6ポイント  (14子コメント)

Your comment caused me to google who suffers more after a divorce and I found this article and several others that indicate that women suffer more, at least financially, from divorces. Obviously there would be cases of both men and women getting screwed over, but what leads you to believe that men are worse off after divorce?

To be fair, there are plenty of articles that say that men suffer more, but they seemed mostly like opinion pieces (ie. blog posts) and not well researched.

The article I cited doesn't go into custody issues, only money.

[–]SirToastymuffin 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think a lot of it comes from the "common household" setup that develops - the man works and the wife stays home. Now this isn't always true, but in the average variation the man becomes the main earner. Thus when assets get divided, say, 50/50, the person paying for most of it is going to feel fucked in the ass. Additionally, I see a lot of situations where the woman receives a good deal of the property because "he can just buy a new one" or whatnot. In the end I suppose they probably come out equal, though in some relationships, with a stay at home spouse, they may get fucked over due to lacking a career. Now, I don't have articles to cite, but this is my best understanding of why the man will feel screwed over. I can agree that if I had possessions I had become attached to taken in a divorce I would likely feel cheated. The problem is when divorce comes up chances are at least one side is unprepared for it.

I did a quick couple searches into this issue and it seems basically all major/credible sources choose to avoid the issue all they can, thus you're going to see mainly blogs and stuff. Plus, like any similar issues, the only ones who care enough to push the issue are the ones who have a bias, so it's a tough topic. I did see mention that divorce leads to more male suicides and women ask for divorce more than men, so I think that can be telling of the emotions therein.

Edit: your article also may have bias as its written by a divorced woman and cites at least one survey known to deal with nonresponse and sampling bias.

[–]WHATS_EATING_MY_FACE 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's strange, you omitted the one variable that I mentioned (custody). No, I don't think this is a clear-cut, one gender gets screwed over while the other one rides off with the spoils. My comment was that I hope that with marriage now being gender neutral, in the sense that any combination of gender can marry now. This will result in paradigm shift in terms of how we approach gender roles and how they fit in a marriage. More directly, it can mean that we have the opportunity to have the silly traditional gender roles model flipped on itself, exposing its fallacies. This will hopefully lead to the advent of approaching the individuals in a marriage as more equal partners than the social bias of both partners having different, yet somewhat complimentary roles. A model that has existed for so many generations. One that is painfully obsolete. It will also end the unfairness of one party suffering more because of these biases that we as a society have instilled when looking at marriage contracts and expectations of each individual.Here's a great article filled with history/data/information about this topic. It's quite a read, but its worth it if you're interested in this topic

edit: Let me know if that link doesn't work for ya in case you wanted to read it. I didn't read it all myself to be honest. The intro, conclusion, and skimming the body were good enough for me (I've read many scientific articles, I learned to skim and read what I need to read without having to read each and every detail of a long report haha)

[–]Holydiver19 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did the women have a job during the marriage and continued that job? If they were both working adults, they shouldn't have lost as much all considering she would of likely won more in the case.

I've seen a huge trend of women living off of there husbands and doing literal NOTHING but being a parasite to put it very badly.

[–]biologynerd3 76ポイント77ポイント  (1子コメント)

The first thing my professor said today about the ruling was, "I know this is awful. But I really just can't wait to see gay divorce court."

I can't help but agree.

[–]itsaCONSPIRACYlol 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

there literally are already episodes of the show Divorce Court that have gay couples.

[–]eeknaynizo 152ポイント153ポイント  (23子コメント)

Yeah, I'm going to get down voted, but whatever. Divorce screws whoever makes more. Mom had to pay alimony to my dad- after he left us multiple times. He had his lawyer fees paid for and was able to sit on his ass.

[–]maarrz 40ポイント41ポイント  (2子コメント)

Definitely. My mom had significantly more assets going into her marriage to my stepdad because she was good at managing and investing her money- and he was definitely in it for that. In the divorce he tried to get everything he could, and even tried to come after money that my dad had left to me and my brothers. He got way more than he should have.

Real piece of work, that one.

[–]daimposter 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, redditors are conflating divorce with child custody battles. The woman almost always wins on child custody but in a divorce case, it's the person making more money

[–]Timbiat 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. Divorce court is fairly straightforward most places. I mean, if you have a wife who stays at home with the kids and you divorce, you're probably going to have to give some of it up for her. If you both works and she makes more, you'll probably get something.

Child custody though, that's a completely different story.

[–]analyst_84 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good, my old man is currently getting divorced raped. I can't believe the hit his ex wife getting away with.

[–]MountainsofCocaine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know what you're talking about honestly. My mother made 90k a year and my father made 50k a year. I had a lot of medical problems growing up and had a sister, which in turn meant larger child support payments, on top of alimony to my mom.

My dad made 15k a year after taxes and child support payments. He went bankrupt twice before I moved out of my moms and into his house. Now my mom pays 2k in child support a month even after my sister turned 18.

[–]Nemesis1987 71ポイント72ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a man who's lost some shit....yes, I agree.

[–]quadceps 30ポイント31ポイント  (8子コメント)

Lol this is comical. I'm all for child support, but I am not sure why when people divorce that the other needs to fund them for the rest of their lives. It should be some kind of short time frame or a much smaller fraction than typically allotted.

[–]Fictionalpoet 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

I presume (not being a lawyer) it came about because for the majority of American history the wife had no occupation, full education, or for a long time the ability to even get a job. Therefor instead of leaving her destitute and homeless the husband (the only one skilled/educated/eligible for work) had some expected duty to support her.

[–]Jw0341 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It usually last until the (ex)wife remarries.

[–]quadceps 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yea that makes sense. In general it's frustrating how a lot of laws are very outdated, but are never changed due to the entire process being very time consuming.

[–]fayryover 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except it still does happen. In marriage, you are seen as a unit. You have a lifestyle you both work into. One of you may make less money but put in more work in the household. You might be a stay at home parent because it made sense to you and your spouse for whatever reason. That is a decision you are both supposed to make together as a unit. The work at home the stay at home parent may allow the working one to get and take more promotions and grow in their field. The stay at home parent loses out on their career and chances to grow in it by staying at home. Their years of unemployment will look bad on applications after divorce as well.

If both work and one makes more, it still doesn't mean the one who made more was more important in their marriage and family. They still both put work in to have the lifestyle they have. Maybe one works a crappier job because they supported the other one through college. Or maybe the lower paying job is one they like and it just happens to be paid less. They still put work into the family unit.

The point of alimony is that both partners agreed to be partners and made their lifestyle possible. The higher earner didn't necessary get their job and promotions in a bubble, the lower earner helped allow that. Alimony is a way to help keep the lower earner from being destitute. It also allows for someone to not be stuck in a marriage because of financials.

In many if not all states, alimony isn't for life but for a set upon time by the judge or state laws.

[–]goopypuff 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even now it is common for the woman to stay home an take care of kids instead of returning to work. Combine this gap of work experience with the perception among management that the divorced mother will care more about kids than work can make it hard for women to support themselves.

That's why we still have alimony. I think

[–]thelunchbox29 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Different states have different alimony laws. And different types. Anything from temporary for a few months to permanent.

[–]Slight0 79ポイント80ポイント  (8子コメント)

Where's the redneck logic? It's perfectly sound.

[–]Elcactus 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think it's the "gold digging bitch" part, but based on his actual circumstances that may be an apt description of an ex.

Either way, usually the political incorrectness goes at the start.

[–]johnmango26 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

what else can you call a gold digging bitch besides a golding digging bitch.

[–]popesnutsack 62ポイント63ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is quite a bit of wisdom there!

[–]BrandonPointyCorners 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've never seen resentment spelled that way.

[–]Quidfacis_ 43ポイント44ポイント  (5子コメント)

Same-sex custody statistics will be interesting to watch over the next few years. When judges can't default to "the one without the penis" I wonder what other criteria they might use. Then what if that other criteria is applied to heterosexual couples?

This could be a nice step for sex/gender equality.

[–]baconmastah 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey, it's like my old boss said. The reason divorce attorneys are in unanimous support for same-sex marriage is quite simple: New business. And with a new class of people who can now marry and share the full benefits of marriage, they get to partake in the very suffering we hetero couples have undergone!

[–]GoingforIvey 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gay marriage has been legal in places like Canada for quite some time, and nothing has changed regarding divorce laws. A Canadian politician even tried to pass a bill which made joint-custody the default situation in a divorce [unless there is a valid reason (e.g. a history of abuse) as to why one parent should not get any custody of the child], but the bill was quickly killed in the lower house.

[–]Feur 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What was their reasoning for striking it down?

[–]majoroutage 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the first couples in line the day Rhode Island legalized gay marriage were there to file for divorce. They had gotten married while living in another state then moved here.

[–]crankyfiiist 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

More like thinking clearly

[–]ElMorono 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh my God, I can just imagine two gay ex-husbands arguing over who gets the Faberge egg that sits perfectly in the corner of the living room next to the portrait of Lady Gaga.

[–]easygenius 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bad ass. Marriage laws are so antiquated that they're actuality anti marriage in the modern context.

[–]KnugensTraktor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, he is not wrong. Giving away half your shit because you swore to god that you will be together until your death is a fucked up thing. Specially if you did nothing to cause the breakup.

[–]Realnancypelosi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm glad it's just fucking over I'm so sick of it and why it's anyone's business I'll never know.

[–]Kamiccorosama 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your dad is a wise man, pay more attention to him.

[–]tomanonimos 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your father has figured out the next big social issue! Equal father/men rights in family court; males get fucked over unfairly too many times.

[–]iamnotacola 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is why you get a pre-nup, kids.

[–]ivebeenhereallsummer 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kids shouldn't be getting married in the first place.

[–]iamnotacola 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

...Dammit, you got me on that one.

[–]Anach 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I still owe the wife money from the divorce, even though she earns twice as much as me, has the same value in debts and the same value in assets/savings as I do, purely because I couldn't afford to go to court over it, so had to bribe her to drop it. She wanted to take my pets, my car, even though she doesnt drive, and on top of that she wanted more money. I had all my assets before we met and we didn't even have kids. I was told by everyone involved that men get screwed every time.

[–]booobp 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's right though. Women have a huge advantage when it comes to those things.

[–]Maple_VW_Sucks 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a non-american can someone tell me what "today's ruling" was?

[–]juligen 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

gay marriage is legal in all 50 states