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[–]Thats_Enterchangment 1981 points1982 points1983 points  (54 children)
Okay, so now that this is official, when can I watch Gay Divorce Court?
[–]Caris1 604 points605 points606 points  (24 children)
You gotta wait until the trashiest gays get married and then build up enough acrimonious bullshit to get divorced (EDIT: on national daytime television).
I give it six months.
[–]Gimli_the_White 388 points389 points390 points  (6 children)
And gays across the country who have been relying on "Hey, I'd love to get married, but it's not legal" woke up to a really awkward conversation.
[–]sexysexytimes99 2832 points2833 points2834 points x4 (74 children)
This is destroying the sanctity of Bristol Palin's marriage.
[–]Oplexus 475 points476 points477 points  (25 children)
As the spokesperson for the Gay Mafia, I am here to inform you all that we will be celebrating the destruction of Bristol Palin's marriage by spreading the gay agenda, corrupting America's youth and destroying the sanctity of marriage in the town square at noon. Cupcakes will be served.
We haven't been this excited since we caused Hurricane Katrina 10 years ago.
[–]ThisBuddhistLovesYou 71 points72 points73 points  (7 children)
Felt the heat from that burn while wading in the Pacific Ocean.
[–]Victor611 4768 points4769 points4770 points  (324 children)
RIP pastor in texas who said he would light himself on fire when this day came..
[–]Predictor92 3441 points3442 points3443 points  (83 children)
the night is dark and full of terrors
[–]PokeEyeJai 950 points951 points952 points  (27 children)
but he is warm for the rest of his life
[–]SpinoC666 297 points298 points299 points  (18 children)
The Red God is pleased.
[–]Talador12 947 points948 points949 points  (43 children)
I would love to see this awkward press conference now
[–]Henry_Burris 337 points338 points339 points  (5 children)
Gay marriage made him a flamer?
[–]belleayreski2 486 points487 points488 points  (23 children)
And the marriage of those two people who said they would divorce.
edit: I get it, they were from Australia
[–]brizzyy 213 points214 points215 points  (8 children)
Oh yea thanks for the reminder! There are a lot of promises to be fulfilled. We are living in exciting times.
[–]ganner 214 points215 points216 points  (19 children)
The whole "he'll set himself on fire" hooplah was a ridiculous misinterpretation of what he actually said. He said he was willing to burn, in a list of ways he'd be willing to be persecuted. He was still painfully silly - implying he'd be burned at the stake for opposing same sex marriage - but it was ridiculous how people took his words and decided he meant he'd self immolate.
[–]tpdi 5699 points5700 points5701 points x2 (1862 children)
The final two paragraphs of the Court's opinion:
No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right. The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit is reversed.
It is so ordered.

Edit: And the walls came tumbling down!
Texas's gay marriage ban
Kentucky's gay marriage ban
Alabama's gay marriage ban
From Associated Press: Same-sex couples in Texas begin obtaining marriage licenses from county clerks. Kentucky's governor instructs county clerks to issues marriage licenses to same sex couples.
Marriage windows at the Mobile [Alabama] Probate Office opened at 11 a.m Friday. For months, the windows were closed pending the Supreme Court decision. Julie Fey, 52, and Dottie Pippin, 60, were married at 11 a.m. at the Mobile Probate Office.
Pike County Judge Wes Allen says he is getting out of the marriage business:
The word 'may' provides probate judges with the option of whether or not to engage in the practice of issuing marriage licenses and I have chosen not to perform that function. My office discontinued issuing marriage licenses in February and I have no plans to put Pike County back into the marriage business. The policy of my office regarding marriage is no different today than it was yesterday."
Arkansas's gay marriage ban
Ohio's gay marriage ban
Michigan's gay marriage ban
[–]Eisnel 1045 points1046 points1047 points  (204 children)
And from page 22 (as found by SCOTUSblog):
It is now clear that the challenged laws burden the liberty of same-sex couples, and it must be further acknowledged that they abridge central precepts of equality . . . Especially against a long history of disapproval of their relationships, this denial to same-sex couples of the right to marry works a grave and continuing harm. The imposition of this disability on gays and lesbians serves to disrespect and subordinate them. And the Equal Protection Clause, like the Due Process Clause, prohibits this unjustified infringement of the fundamental right to marry.
[–]GringodelRio 3603 points3604 points3605 points  (292 children)
"It is so ordered."
I know that's probably required legalese, but that really does come across as:
"It's fucking done and over with... no more arguing, children, to your rooms."
[–]a_cool_goddamn_name 3640 points3641 points3642 points x2 (132 children)
I think "so" should have been in italics, to stand with the gay community.
[–]Beaumark 2090 points2091 points2092 points  (38 children)
"It is so ordered." finger snap and head wobble
[–]kafja 254 points255 points256 points  (11 children)
Immediately made me think of this guy
[–]DDRDiesel 37 points38 points39 points  (3 children)
I'm surprised this hasn't been turned into a gfycat and spammed all over this thread by now
EDIT: nevermind, just did it myself: http://gfycat.com/AptFlawedHornedtoad
[–]no1deawhatimdoing 820 points821 points822 points  (67 children)
Hah. I'm gay and that's hilarious.
[–]PotentiallySarcastic 101 points102 points103 points  (23 children)
It's almost as good as "So let it be written, so let it be done!"
Edit: Haha wow. Did not know about the song.
[–]PVIntern 123 points124 points125 points  (9 children)
It is so ordered.
[–]lonestiz 81 points82 points83 points  (2 children)
-Did you order the pizza yet?
-It is so ordered.
[–]Nerdlinger 146 points147 points148 points  (137 children)
Who wrote the opinion?
[–]Duxal 262 points263 points264 points  (66 children)
Kennedy, who wrote the Windsor opinion two years ago.
[–]Ah_Q 169 points170 points171 points  (57 children)
Kennedy has written each of the Court's gay rights decisions (Romer, Lawrence, Windsor, and now Obergefell).
[–]StrictScrutiny 132 points133 points134 points  (51 children)
Lawrence, Windsor, and Obergefell have all been announced on June 26th (2003, 2013, 2015).
[–]fuckitimatwork 113 points114 points115 points  (32 children)
dude is June 26th gonna be a holiday in the future?
[–]Gay_milhouse 55 points56 points57 points  (5 children)
Well, June 28th is the anniversary of the stonewall riots which is already a huge date and the reason Pride is in June.
[–]Lost_Magi 25 points26 points27 points  (4 children)
It is the evening before San Francisco pride every year.
[–]tpdi 80 points81 points82 points  (8 children)
JUSTICE KENNEDY delivered the opinion of the Court.
The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity. The petitioners in these cases seek to find that liberty by marrying someone of the same sex and having their marriages deemed lawful on the same terms and conditions as marriages between persons of the opposite sex.
[–]Excalibursin 390 points391 points392 points  (47 children)
Scalia.
Nope. Couldn't keep a straight face.
[–]KingPingus 223 points224 points225 points  (39 children)
Wow, "Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness" there is so much humanity in this ruling.
[–]moorsonthecoast 1576 points1577 points1578 points  (730 children)
From the first of four dissents, this one by Roberts:
Although the policy arguments for extending marriage to same-sex couples may be compelling, the legal arguments for requiring such an extension are not. The fundamental right to marry does not include a right to make a State change its definition of marriage. And a State’s decision to maintain the meaning of marriage that has persisted in every culture throughout human history can hardly be called irrational. In short, our Constitution does not enact any one theory of marriage. The people of a State are free to expand marriage to include same-sex couples, or to retain the historic definition.
Today, however, the Court takes the extraordinary step of ordering every State to license and recognize same-sex marriage. Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration. But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, the majority’s approach is deeply disheartening. Supporters of same-sex marriage have achieved considerable success persuading their fellow citizens—through the democratic process—to adopt their view. That ends today. Five lawyers have closed the debate and enacted their own vision of marriage as a matter of constitutional law. Stealing this issue from the people will for many cast a cloud over same-sex marriage, making a dramatic social change that much more difficult to accept.
Prediction: Downvoted into oblivion, by a 5-4 margin.
EDIT: Added clarifying information to first line.
[–]Thesleeperhold 780 points781 points782 points  (171 children)
Although I'm happy for the decision, this is a much more level-headed dissent than I had imagined.
[–]non_clever_username 423 points424 points425 points  (64 children)
Just wait for Scalia's. I'm sure that will be entertaining.
Edit: Scalia bitches about hubris and the court being egotistical. The irony.
[–]duppyconquerer 57 points58 points59 points  (18 children)
He makes a joke about hippies.
[–]non_clever_username 21 points22 points23 points  (3 children)
Of course he did.
I read that three times and I really have no clue what point he's trying to make.
[–]cahutchins 1482 points1483 points1484 points  (208 children)
Roberts' dissent is rational, and the argument that letting public opinion and state legislatures gradually accept the inevitable path of history could be more effective in swaying on-the-fence holdouts makes sense as far as it goes.
But he doesn't make a compelling argument for why the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment would apply to all areas of the law save one. And the very same argument was made by "reasonable" opponents of the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s, who said pretty much exactly the same thing — "Yeah, we believe in equality, but we don't want to upset the people who don't."
Roberts is articulate, calm, and compassionate. But he's also wrong.
[–]its_good 92 points93 points94 points  (6 children)
Exactly, if you read the opinion and substitute "same-sex marriage" for "interracial marriage" I don't think as many people would consider it as reasonable as a lot of people is giving him credit for.
[–]geshikhte 81 points82 points83 points  (16 children)
Yup. You can't say that the Loving v. Virginia ruling was the right one but that this is the wrong one. It's the same idea. Unless he's saying that ruling was also no bueno.
[–]Charmander420 395 points396 points397 points  (24 children)
Now we just need gay marijuana legalized...
[–]Killers_and_Co 684 points685 points686 points  (122 children)
Whoa, the last two sentences gave me chills. Anthony Kennedy is my hero
[–]coldcoal 101 points102 points103 points  (3 children)
It has all the power and finality of a voice of authority and reason.
[–]MeteoricHorizons 141 points142 points143 points  (7 children)
That's going to be iconic
[–]SeasonedReviews 1461 points1462 points1463 points  (42 children)
My first day in America backpacking and this happens! I don't wanna say it was ALL because of me but...
[–]Slimerbacca 879 points880 points881 points  (12 children)
Please go backpacking here when marijuana is up for legalization
[–]illfatedpupulon 344 points345 points346 points  (16 children)
My Facebook will never be the same after this week. I'm going to buy stock in popcorn and butter, y'all.
[–]I_Am_Ironman_AMA 4974 points4975 points4976 points x4 (122 children)
Its a little after 9:00am here in Kentucky. At this moment my wife and I are still straight-married. If something changes or if our marriage is suddenly destroyed I'll post updates.
Edit: I heard a loud thunderous sound and thought that the end of our marriage was near. Turns out the, it was just a tractor trailer truck hitting its Jake brakes. Will continue to update.
Edit 2: I heard a loud knock at the door so I grabbed my guns to protect my marriage. It was just the UPS guy. Will continue to monitor.
Edit 3: Blue helmeted UN soldiers are here to take away my marriage... Wait, no. Its just Chuck Testa.
[–]Neoncow 774 points775 points776 points  (13 children)
Edit 2: I heard a loud knock at the door so I grabbed my guns to protect my marriage. It was just the UPS guy. Will continue to monitor.
You didn't accept his package? It's the law now. Do it.
[–]Mochigood 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
I have a cuckoo uncle who, during one Christmas dinner, warned me and my cousins that if we weren't wary and careful, when gay marriage passed, we would all be forced to have a "homosexual experience". One of my cousins laughed, thinking it was a joke. He hasn't talked to her since. The funny thing is, the son of that uncle insists that he's closeted.
[–]GreyWalker 926 points927 points928 points  (21 children)
Oh my god. We haven't had an update in five minutes. God must have struck them down!
[–]ReeferMaaan 73 points74 points75 points  (4 children)
if you're not careful your children will catch the gay virus
[–]Sneakymist 2894 points2895 points2896 points  (47 children)
Finally, 50 states of gay!
[–]SUSAN_IS_A_BITCH 278 points279 points280 points  (17 children)
Love me like you do, man. Love me like you do.
[–]FartyMcConstipate 69 points70 points71 points  (0 children)
he was waiting for this moment for years to comment this
[–]whatshisuserface 1516 points1517 points1518 points  (61 children)
That's it, my wife and I are getting a divorce.
[–]GenXer1977 997 points998 points999 points  (19 children)
I know. It's a shame. I really loved my wife. I loved her more than life itself. But this morning when I woke up that love was just gone. Then I read this and I realized what happened. I'm going to miss her so much. I hope my new husband can cook half as well as she does.
[–]ThatLesbian 623 points624 points625 points  (11 children)
Cook? With the combined incomes of 2 gay males, you'll be eating caviar off the washboard abs of chippendale dancers.
[–]TheDarkFiddler 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
Yeah! No more wage gap dragging your combined income down!
[–]ThickAsianAccent 105 points106 points107 points  (9 children)
Sounds like it's time to finally drop the "T" from cantaloupe.
[–]Sethos88 438 points439 points440 points  (12 children)
Now we just need a legalization of gay marijuana
[–]unpopularOpinions776 238 points239 points240 points  (14 children)
I've been using the whole "I won't get married until the gays can" excuse with my girlfriend.
Gentleman, it's been a pleasure playing with you.
[–]dingodjango 974 points975 points976 points  (51 children)
Shit. First people start taking down the Confederate flag, then they uphold the Affordable Care Act, and now this. Now I'm going to have to endure the most insane bitching and moaning from my crazy bigoted family when I go home for 4th of July. Couldn't this have waited a few weeks?
Thanks Obama!
[–]Gorrest--Fump 152 points153 points154 points  (2 children)
This was my first thought, too. I might have to be "working" every holiday until July 4th 2016. Thanksgiving is going to be nothing but this
[–]thisistheslowlane 942 points943 points944 points  (102 children)
Australia is now officially more backwards than the United States.
[–]alfonsoelsabio 914 points915 points916 points  (15 children)
That's really all we wanted all along, to be better than Australia.
[–]OhDeBabies 134 points135 points136 points  (1 child)
It's our nation's rallying cry. We whisper "dream of being better than Australia" to our children every night as we tuck them in.
[–]thebirddoctor 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
So they couldn't talk about how backward we are anymore
[–]theboyfromganymede 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
Always living in Australia's shadow... well look who's laughing now roo-fuckers!
[–]owa00 551 points552 points553 points  (7 children)
"At least we're not Australia"
-Mississippi
[–]BravoCharlieHotel 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
I believe "Rekt" is the only appropriate response here.
[–]dildonkers 230 points231 points232 points  (11 children)
We achieved that by electing Abbott.
[–]Meunderwears 4679 points4680 points4681 points  (237 children)
As a heterosexual man I am appalled. This ruling affects my life fundamentally. Oh wait, it doesn't at all.
Congrats to all those who have waited decades for this ruling. It's about damn time.
[–]davycoder 2081 points2082 points2083 points  (139 children)
I am also heterosexual and outraged. How am I supposed to explain to my child that two people of the same gender love each other and that's okay?
Wait, I just answered my own question...
[–]catawba1 420 points421 points422 points  (14 children)
I tried explaining it to my 7 year old daughter and the response I got was, "Does that I mean I can marry my friend Mary?" I said sure, but you might want to graduate first and get a job.
[–]canamerica 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
When I had this same discussion with my 7 year old step son, he said he was probably going to marry a boy because "they're more fun." I said, "whatever floats your boat, son. Just remember to marry someone you like."
[–]KeyVapours 39 points40 points41 points  (8 children)
Homophobe. Mary needs some lovin' too you know.
[–]The-Incredible-Bulk 68 points69 points70 points  (5 children)
He's more of a hobophobe, given that he's A-OK with homosexuality as long as you are supporting yourself.
[–]Meunderwears 673 points674 points675 points  (81 children)
Bu...bu...but .... TRADITION!
[–]captaincupcake234 227 points228 points229 points  (13 children)
L'chaim starts playing a fiddle on the roof
[–]Sanchezq 15 points16 points17 points  (3 children)
Who, day and night, must scramble for a living, Feed a wife and children, say his daily prayers?
[–]rydogg707 488 points489 points490 points  (27 children)
...are good foundations, but could always use improvement and re-examination from time to time.
[–]Triapod 433 points434 points435 points  (10 children)
As a heterosexual male, it does affect me. That the homosexual people my life are able to find such happiness means a lot.
[–]pegasus_x 2404 points2405 points2406 points  (148 children)
I'm crying so hard. My partner and I can now get married in TEXAS, ya'll. With our friends and family watching.
[–]UniformRecon 663 points664 points665 points  (16 children)
I also live in Texas, and my parents can finally be married now!!! It's a happy day for the southern LGBT world!
[–]UncleverAccountName 86 points87 points88 points  (0 children)
I don't know any of you people but I'm so happy for you!!
[–]catssitonanything 66 points67 points68 points  (11 children)
Louisiana here, I still can't believe this. I am inclined to ask if it's true like...I'm cooking for lunch right now and I just stopped everything. So happy.
[–]ukraine_not_weak 921 points922 points923 points  (53 children)
Dogs and cats living together!
Pandemonium!
[–]misspeelled 465 points466 points467 points  (26 children)
I just started crying at work. My wife and I had to go to California to get married, but in our state we had no protections as a married couple. That ends today and I couldn't be happier about it. Time to go get my name changed, suck it Texas.
[–]treycartier91 88 points89 points90 points  (6 children)
Don't forget any benefits you get from work may apply to your spouse now! Go talk to HR, you have the supreme court backing you .
[–]SirGigglesandLaughs 2572 points2573 points2574 points  (181 children)
I'm irrationally happy about this as a straight man.
[–]ChrisGarrett 1349 points1350 points1351 points  (60 children)
Fellow straight man here. It's just nice to have more options ya know?
[–]massive_cock 499 points500 points501 points  (10 children)
I'm completely rationally happy about this as a human being.
[–]enjoylol 191 points192 points193 points  (0 children)
Me too, massive_cock, me too.
[–]iamPause 196 points197 points198 points  (4 children)
Nothing irrational about wanting everyone to be treated equally.
[–]Keerikkadan91 121 points122 points123 points  (4 children)
Even I, as a straight man from India. Equal rights always make for cheerful news, no matter where it's from or whom it affects.
Edit: Grammar
[–]BlueTeamTV 436 points437 points438 points  (72 children)
I'm going to stay away from Facebook today....
Edit: imma answer some questions because of all these comments I'm gettin here.
  1. No I'm not a bigot just because I have some ignorant friends and older family friends.
  2. My time line has been very positive! Although, there are some young kids preaching how this law is illegal, anti God, etc.
  3. This post was meant to be kinda of a joke anyways. Yes, there will be some ignorant folks on my Facebook time line, but the majority have been praising this decision
[–]CrazyAsian 601 points602 points603 points  (16 children)
I used to live in a city that was mostly conservative before I moved to a liberal campus (and then liberal city for my job). By now, most of my conservative "friends" have defriended me for being too pro-LGBT.
WELL FUCK THEM. TODAY IS A GOOD DAY. MY ENTIRE FACEBOOK WALL IS RAINBOWS AND I FUCKING LOVE IT.
[–]Wrong_on_Internet 544 points545 points546 points  (197 children)
Full opinion:
Highlights from the Majority
  • The nature of injustice is that we may not always see it in our own times. The generations that wrote and ratified the Bill of Rights and the Fourteenth Amendment did not presume to know the extent of freedom in all of its dimensions, and so they entrusted to future generations a charter protecting the right of all persons to enjoy liberty as we learn its meaning. When new insight reveals discord between the Constitution’s central protections and a received legal stricture, a claim to liberty must be addressed
  • Many who deem same-sex marriage to be wrong reach that conclusion based on decent and honorable religious or philosophical premises, and neither they nor their beliefs are disparaged here. But when that sincere, personal opposition becomes enacted law and public policy, the necessary consequence is to put the imprimatur of the State itself on an exclusion that soon demeans or stigmatizes those whose own liberty is then denied.
  • No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.
Highlights from the Roberts Dissent
  • When decisions are reached through democratic means, some people will inevitably be disappointed with the results. But those whose views do not prevail at least know that they have had their say, and accordingly are—in the tradition of our political culture—reconciled to the result of a fair and honest debate. ... But today the Court puts a stop to all that. By deciding this question under the Constitution, the Court removes it from the realm of democratic decision. There will be consequences to shutting down the political process on an issue of such profound public significance. Closing debate tends to close minds. People denied a voice are less likely to accept the ruling of a court on an issue that does not seem to be the sort of thing courts usually decide.
  • If you are among the many Americans—of whatever sexual orientation—who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today’s decision. Celebrate the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it.
Highlights from the Scalia Dissent
  • This is a naked judicial claim to legislative—indeed, super-legislative—power; a claim fundamentally at odds with our system of government.
  • But what really astounds is the hubris reflected in today’s judicial Putsch.
  • If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: "The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity," I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.
Highlights from the Alito Dissent
  • By imposing its own views on the entire country, the majority facilitates the marginalization of the many Americans who have traditional ideas. Recalling the harsh treatment of gays and lesbians in the past, some may think that turn-about is fair play. But if that sentiment prevails, the Nation will experience bitter and lasting wounds.
Highlights from the Thomas Dissent
  • (LOL, not worth including)
[–]RememberYoureAWomble 151 points152 points153 points  (33 children)
Some of Scalia's dissent is bizarre. This from page 8: "(Huh? How can a better informed understanding of how constitutional imperatives [whatever that means] define [whatever that means] an urgent liberty [never mind], give birth to a right?)"
Do judges normally write like that?
[–]GuyForgett 28 points29 points30 points  (4 children)
the funny thing is that every single supreme court decision--and most lower court decisions--always have phrases like that that make you scratch your head and that you have to think about to really understand. Anyone can just sit there and say "huh? You make-a no sense" but that doesn't mean there isn't a meaning there.
[–]Abefroman12 327 points328 points329 points  (88 children)
What the fuck is Scalia talking about? Did he have a stroke while writing his dissent?
[–]-gh0stRush- 58 points59 points60 points  (1 child)
The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.
Oh, snap.
[–]Wild_Cabbage 2015 points2016 points2017 points  (367 children)
This is such an exciting step forward.
[–]chaser676 1931 points1932 points1933 points  (235 children)
Or, if you live in a state like mine, an exciting drag into the current century.
Edit- Mississippi, for everyone asking
[–]no-body 438 points439 points440 points  (133 children)
Or if have grandparents like mine, a good step towards modern thinking
[–]Jon-JONES 568 points569 points570 points  (126 children)
Or if you have in-laws like mine, this is an abomination.
[–]Anal_Justice_League 410 points411 points412 points  (49 children)
Does that mean the pastor who said he will kill himself to protest gay marriage will now do so?
[–]grecoromanumpire 279 points280 points281 points  (23 children)
Only if he's a man of his word
[–]7744666 422 points423 points424 points  (20 children)
Spoiler alert: he's not.
[–]c_oliver 135 points136 points137 points  (16 children)
Not a very good Christian then...
[–]utvgjy6gy54v 157 points158 points159 points  (1 child)
Yea, I think we knew that already though.
[–]poe_zlaw 4152 points4153 points4154 points x3 (287 children)
Im in Central Texas and am an ordained minister. I will perform marriages of any sexual orientation for free this month... And next month
Edit-- My wife also does wedding cakes.. For EVERYONE
Edit 2.. Holy inbox. I want to be clear and not mislead anyone. I am an ordained minister and can legally perform Marriages which I have done for friends. It is not my day job and I do not work at a church. You, yourself can become ordained. It is very easy. My offer still stands, though.
[–]NairForceOne 1833 points1834 points1835 points  (70 children)
My wife also does wedding cakes.. For EVERYONE
It was my understanding that gay weddings were catered with pizza.
[–]TheChristmasFish 608 points609 points610 points  (27 children)
Depending on the gender of the married couple, tradition is either an assortment of preserved cased meats or a spread of clams.
[–]aresef 1843 points1844 points1845 points  (300 children)
They didn't legalize it. They found that the Fourteenth Amendment didn't allow same-sex marriage bans or bans on their recognition.
It's a beautiful day.
[–]banebot 1246 points1247 points1248 points  (82 children)
It is defacto legalized.
[–]Ohhhhhk 344 points345 points346 points  (53 children)
Or de jure legalized 147 years ago?
[–]irishguy42 148 points149 points150 points  (36 children)
We have to wait 100 years before it's de jure legalized. For now it's de facto legalized.
[–]ViciousNakedMoleRat 49 points50 points51 points  (21 children)
It's de jure not illegal, but it is de jure illegal to make it de jure illegal, which makes it de facto legal.
Can we agree on this?
[–]irishguy42 59 points60 points61 points  (13 children)
If I send you 34.0 gold as a gift, I think your opinion of me will be high enough to agree on this.
[–]doegred 22 points23 points24 points  (2 children)
Name me Keeper of the Swans and invite me to your party, then we'll see.
[–]Not_Pictured 35 points36 points37 points  (1 child)
Of course. The Supreme Court is not a legislature, therefore gay marriage has been legal for 147 years, but secretly.
[–]prgkmr 111 points112 points113 points  (14 children)
Technically, but functionally it's the same thing, right? In fact, you could say they legalized it by banning the banning of it.
[–]BSSolo 233 points234 points235 points  (9 children)
Yes, but it's even stronger than that. If congress had simply passed a law legalizing same-sex marriage, a later session could repeal it.
Instead, the Supreme Court has decided that no law can ban same-sex marriage, this making it safe from future legislation.
Same-sex couples should now be able to breathe a sigh of relief, as it is just a matter of time until individual state bans are challenged and wiped from the books.
[–]MidnightSlinks 22 points23 points24 points  (1 child)
The majority opinion actually said that they don't have to wait for legislation and lower courts to align that it should be immediately made legal everywhere because fundamental rights don't have to wait for judicial alignment.
[–]tyw112 196 points197 points198 points  (60 children)
Isn't that effectively the same thing? If you can't ban it then you're legalizing it, right?
[–]aresef 232 points233 points234 points  (17 children)
The Supreme Court doesn't make laws. They can rule laws unconstitutional. That's what they did here.
[–]snobord 340 points341 points342 points  (14 children)
It's a distinction without a difference.
[–]Nerdlinger 613 points614 points615 points  (55 children)
Just in time for Pride weekend here in Minneapolis. Shit's gonna be extra rockin'.
[–]-world 185 points186 points187 points  (17 children)
It's Pride week pretty much everywhere, right? Because of the Stonewall Riots June 28 1969.
[–]orestesFeasting 84 points85 points86 points  (1 child)
And the Stonewall Inn was made a historic landmark this week. Everything's comin up rainbows.
[–]NowlmAlwaysSmiling 246 points247 points248 points  (10 children)
I got embroiled in this fight 11 years ago. It has cost me, dearly. I lost my faith, the love of my family, the companionship of the friends I had previously respected, and at least one job.
It is so good to hear this news. I'm going to remember this day forever. For all those who did not stand idle, who fought for this: We did it. We really did it. It truly would not have happened without us.
[–]jamzedodger 20 points21 points22 points  (3 children)
As a Brit, I want to take a moment to congratulate all Americans, whether or not they wanted this, on their victory, and their progression
edit: just to elucidate, I wasn't trying to say the UK was better, I was just commenting as an outsider and wanted to make my nationality clear
[–]trollocity 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
This post is well on track to become the top post in /r/all. And holy shit, it's going to look amazing.
Congratulations, America.
[–]Rad_Spencer 318 points319 points320 points  (37 children)
Roberts from bench: "Today 5 lawyers have ordered every state to change their definition of marriage. Just who do we think we are?"
You're the supreme court, it's literally what you do.....
[–]Honestly_Rude 1713 points1714 points1715 points  (542 children)
So... Gay marriage legalized, Obamacare taken care of... What is the republican platform going to be for the next election?
[–]just_another_classic 1034 points1035 points1036 points  (206 children)
This is actually good for the GOP, in a sense, because they no longer have the gay marriage issue hanging over their heads. The SCOTUS took care of that. So one of their contentious issues is no longer a problem.
[–]jvorn 336 points337 points338 points  (110 children)
Yep, been saying the GOP needed to drop social issues for a long time.
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 221 points222 points223 points  (92 children)
The GOP's biggest issue is that they have to win a Primary full of people who are against these types of things. Case and Point: Mitt Romney, the Governor, and Mitt Romney, the Presidential Candidate.
[–]jvorn 254 points255 points256 points  (45 children)
Always felt GOP really effed over Romney, in reality he's much more moderate but they made him toe the party line.
[–]YungSnuggie 54 points55 points56 points  (10 children)
he was basically a democrat while governor of massachusetts
[–]hsdhjfdjfdjjsfnjfnjd 26 points27 points28 points  (7 children)
He also put into law what pretty much amounted to Universal Health Care there, a decade ago.
Edit: Also fun to note: Chief Justice Robert's decision cited Romney's law heavily, in explaining why he made his decision to uphold the federal subsidies for the ACA. Romney saved the ACA! haha
[–]The_Prince1513 13 points14 points15 points  (5 children)
The same thing happened to McCain in '08. He even tried to pick a more 'conservative' candidate with Palin...and well we saw how that turned out.
[–]inkhogneatoh 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
And you know what? It looks like he would have stayed alive for two terms!
[–]fatcat2040 8 points9 points10 points  (3 children)
I dunno, being president is pretty stressful. Just look at Obama's hair.
[–]inkhogneatoh 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Yeah, that's true. The extra stress could have killed him.
[–]Actinism 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Whatever he did, if he just stuck to it, he would have been better off. He didn't know when to concede an issue.
[–]Kishkyrie 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
I felt even worse for McCain tbh. At least Romney was good at putting on the hyperconservative act
[–]lady_skidmarks 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
I feel the same way about McCain. He was turned into a crazy person from the 2008 election. I had such respect for him before that, but now he's the man who gave us Sarah Palin. shudders
[–]jvorn 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
Pretty sure that wasn't his choice.
[–]lady_skidmarks [score hidden]  (0 children)
True, but it was unfortunate (or fortunate considering it cost him the election).
[–]sc1003 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Even as a "bleeding-heart liberal" (or so I've been called) I have a tremendous amount of respect for McCain. He is not an obstructionist, he pushed to end torture, and he is pretty consistent in his views. He's just a war hawk is really my issue with him
[–]lady_skidmarks [score hidden]  (0 children)
Yeah, the war hawk part is my only issue with him now.
[–]TheIrishJackel 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
I might have actually voted for Real Romney. But Presidential Romney? Nope. It was really disappointing watching him descend to the level of the crazies he had to compete with.
[–]UpgradeNova 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Toeing lines seems to happen to a lot of candidates for the Presidency.
[–]jvorn 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Sadly yes. Romney would have been a great president if he was allowed to be the moderate he really is.
[–]ATXBeermaker 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
They didn't make him do it. He did it by choice to try to get what he wanted.
[–]jvorn 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
True, but it's the presidency. People have compromised their ideals for much, much less. I think he was thinking he could stoop to the crazies of the GOP's level to get elected and then me himself once in office.
[–]InternetTAB 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
tow? lol not sure on the phrasing of it myself
[–]thehungriestbear 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Yet he was portrayed as some kind of maniacal monster by the media and the Obama campaign. I feel bad for the guy.
[–]EmAreDubs 23 points24 points25 points  (17 children)
Why don't Republican candidates just ignore the people who are so backwards on social issues? I mean, it's not like those people are suddenly going to vote Democrat.
[–]CaptainCAPSLOCKED 20 points21 points22 points  (2 children)
Because older people believe their votes matter. Which makes them vote more. Which makes their opinions heavier than young people who don't believe their votes matter.
If the Republican party ignored their crazies, they would either vote less, or support a third party candidate, effectively giving the presidency to the Democrats.
[–]damnstraightmalaise 7 points8 points9 points  (6 children)
A lot of would-be republicans are so turned off by them that they're democrats now. That means that in order to win a republican nomination you gotta go so far to the right you can't possibly win the general election. It's a problem.
I'd vote for Jon Huntsman though. Dude is a republican who just straight up says stuff like "Call me crazy but I believe in evolution" or listens to the facts regarding global warming. I kinda just hope the tea party thing becomes a "viable" third party and detaches itself from republican banner. That'd be excellent.
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
The thing that sucks about the Tea Party is that in its infancy, it was a great thing. But the uber conservatives jumped into this as their platform to appeal to the religious right, which wasn't entirely the purpose.
[–]bayfyre 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
What was the original intention of the Tea Party? I'm a little young to honestly remember them before the crazies got involved
[–]JavelinR 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Reduce the deficit, and also scale back the government a bit. They were mainly fiscally focused and actually first formed under the Bush years in opposition to the growing debt. After the deficit exceed 1 Trillion dollars they got a lot more popular leading to them having some big wins in to 2010 midtearms.
That they didn't care about social issues like your stance on gay marriage or weed was a big draw early on. But then people decided to hope on the band wagon causing the wheels to fall off.
[–]jimbo831 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Because they will lose in the primaries.
[–]YungSnuggie 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
crazies vote.
[–]Ko0kz 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
They wouldn't be able to win the primary. Republicans have to bend to the right to win the primary and when they try to bend back to the center for the general election they get labeled as a flip flopper and lose the moderates.
[–]gthermonuclearw 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
No but they can stay home. Or back a super extreme candidate in the primaries who has no chance of winning the general election.
[–]SithLord13 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Because they won't show up to vote. It's one of the reasons Romney lost. He was too far right to get enough independents and too far center to get enough of the base.
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Because there are candidates who, while maybe not actually believing all the shit they spew from their mouth, do play up to this base. And it isn't like we are talking about a fraction of Republicans. There are a ton who are super religious. And while they may still be supportive of same sex marriage, and aren't crazy religious, the idea of a person fighting for conservative values is appealing to a lot of people. The far religious right is the vocal minority. But there are a ton of people who align with conservative values.
Not to defend them entirely, but you have to think about Small Town, USA. There aren't homosexuals walking around there. They make a modest wage and enough to get by. Not breaking the bank, but life is good. Maybe they got hit with the recession, but they also have some capitalist ideals. Point being: Gay Marriage isn't a concern for them. But it is for a large base and they default into that base.
And that isn't all fact, but just how I see things. I went to school in a very rural area and saw this first hand, so I imagine, in the hundreds of thousands of Small Town, USA's, its the same way. Not all are crazy loonies, they are a vocal minority. But there are people out there that default into a similar grouping.
[–]BenAdaephonDelat 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
They don't have a choice. If they want to get nominated, they have to pander to the ignorant bigots in their party (because they make up the majority). It just so happens that they live in the digital age, so when they try to switch to a national platform after the nom, it all comes back to bite them.
[–]imawakened 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
I have zero thoughts on your use of "case and point" but just thought you'd appreciate that the idiom is actually "case in point". Continue to write whatever you please though - just letting you know.
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Didn't know, Thanks! "Case and Point" just seems to make more sense than "Case in Point". Both make sense. "Case and Point" just has a mic-drop effect to it.
I am leaving it how it is. Mistakes are mistakes, live up to them. But thanks!
[–]skushi08 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Now they don't have to worry. They can still win their primary without having to vocalize a stance against gay marriage or healthcare. SCOTUS has ruled so they can just side with their ruling. That's what kills them in the general elections. In order to win their primary they have had to offend just about anyone that isn't a hardcore Republican. Now they can stay a little closer to the middle
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I hope that's the case. But it won't stop the Huckabee's and Santorum's from saying they will fight it. Those guys are also competing against each other.
I love Bobby Jindal, but he too has moved too close to the religious right for my liking. My guy is Scott Walker, not on par with the crazy religious guys but very fiscally conservative. More so than I may be, but I like him. But I don't see him succeeding in a Presidential Election because of what he has done as Governor of Wisconsin.
[–]THROWINCONDOMSATSLUT 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
Mitt Romney was my state's governor. He wasn't all that perfect, but he wasn't a terrible governor either (unlike Deval Patrick, ahem). I probably would have voted for him in the presidential election had he not all of a sudden gotten much more conservative than how he was when he ran my state. In Massachusetts, he strengthened our public education system (number 1 in the country!) and created universal healthcare. It was kind of shocking to hear him go against that last one when running for president. Had he stayed moderate, I think he would have had a really good chance at winning the election.
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 3 points4 points5 points  (4 children)
Had he stayed moderate, he wouldn't have won the GOP nomination.
[–]THROWINCONDOMSATSLUT 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
That is very true. I'm really curious to see what's going to happen with these (what is it, 13?) candidates for the GOP now that health care and gay rights aren't as large of an issue.
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
I really hope we see the moderates able to come to the forefront, and even vocalize their support for these decisions. It will go a long way in securing the primary votes for people like me (young Republicans) as well as aid in their chances if they do win the nomination.
[–]THROWINCONDOMSATSLUT 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I sure hope so. I'm pretty in the middle myself, but I tend to lean Republican with a lot of issues aside from the social ones. For this upcoming election, I'm not so sure I want another Bush or another Clinton in the office. We'll learn more and more about the other candidates (aside from Bernie Sanders) as time moves forward I guess.
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Honestly, the Republican who says we need to look at the 2nd Amendment and make some changes for the 21st Century will get my vote. I probably align somewhat with their fiscal leanings. And now that these decisions have come down, I don't have to worry too much about them being against same sex marriage and tearing up the ACA (even though it needs some serious looking over to smooth things out).
[–]XanthippeSkippy 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Case in point
Sorry, pet peeve
[–]Babou_Ocelot 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Absolutely correct. Case in point, as the governor of Massachusetts, Romney passed a state run health care system dubbed as "Romney Care". But during his candidacy, he criticized Obamacare. Too often candidates have to pander to the heavily right leaning individuals of the Republican primaries, thereby ostracizing from the more moderate voting public.
[–]JirachiWishmaker 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Mitt Romney, the sellout
[–]MTRsport 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
John McCain was similar in a lot of ways as well
[–]Minnesota_MiracleMan 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Very much so. And he still is and even ran like it. His age really played against him. Not so much in the "he will die" arena, but when his opponent was so young and could identify with younger generations easily, he never stood a chance.
[–]TommyyyGunsss 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
It's honestly why they lose me. I'm all for fiscal responsibility, but why does it have to be attached to the pro-life anti gay marriage shit
[–]jvorn 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Well, historically that is what a lot of their constiants wanted and thus easy votes. Just wish they had the backbone to say: "Look, I know you guys really like this social issue stuff but it's 2015 and it doesn't matter anymore. We all know you'll never vote Democrat so just man up and accept it"
[–]Keyser_Brozay 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It couldn't hurt. I voted for Obama the second time (the first time I could) because he supports marriage equality.
I understand the naïveté that demonstrated, but I made a decision that some social issues are too fundamental to our daily lives to ignore them when choosing our leader. Marriage equality was one of them.
If the GOP hadn't been so GOP about the whole thing then I might've voted for Romney just based on his fiscal background. But no, they had to tell people that women could "shut that thing down" etc, etc. I just can't be voting for a party that willingly watches that type of ignorance flourish.
[–]Chrisnness 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Which is sad. Having insane opinions on social issues should be known
[–]krysatheo 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
But doesn't that just turn them into libertarians like Gary Johnson?
[–]jvorn 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
The real GOP is in there somewhere. Small(er) government and fiscal conservatism.
[–]Xanny [score hidden]  (0 children)
Thats libertarianism. Seriously. The five year old definition of political ideology is that republicans are socially and fiscally conservative, democrats are socially and fiscally liberal, libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative, and totalitarians are socially conservative and fiscally liberal. If you take the social conservatism out of a republican you are no longer a republican, you are a libertarian - small government that gets out of the way of both the social and economic engines of the country.
The GOP has never existed in a state where it did not believe, at least in significant part, that the role of government was to dictate the morals and ethics of society according to a traditionalist view of social organization. It dates all the way back to the Whigs and other precursors to the modern GOP.
[–]thr3sk 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
No, Gary Johnson actually has common sense. Is he running again this year? I know reddit loves Bernie Sanders, but I think Johnson would be popular here too.
[–]krysatheo 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Not sure, I hope he is. I like Sanders too but I'm pretty fiscally conservative so I prefer Johnson. My only big issue with Johnson/libertarians is the environment - protecting it is too important to be left up to individuals/states imo, needs to be done at the federal (or ideally the global) level, which libertarians oppose.
[–]Xanny [score hidden]  (0 children)
Part of the problem though is that our economic policy directs businesses to be impossibly short term profit centric. Long term fiscal planning in corporate environments is at historical lows, even post-recession, in part because of wealth concentration and in part because of the unpredictability of federal economic policy, and the fact the fed is so powerful it can severely impact the whole economy with things like banker bailouts.
If there were more confidence in the system, less wealth concentration (or just more democratized investment) you would naturally see business interests realign more to a healthy mid or long term outlook rather than maximizing quarterly dividends for shareholders, and if businesses need to care about longer term outlooks not decimating the environment matters a lot more.
Not saying that is enough - plenty of enterprises can just not give a damn and slash and burn the planet for profit with impunity for a very long time - but there is definitely an economic argument that the scale of influence of the state in part contributes to the problem, in both fiscal policy that produces a very short-sighted market and in scope of policy that leaves uncertainty towards longer term business planning.
I'm just saying it is not just an obvious answer that you should pass the "stop wrecking the planet" law of 2015. You also need to look at the economic motivators into why so few people give a crap in the first place.
[–]LewsTherinT -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Social issues shouldnt be part of politics, they should be initiatives and referendums.
[–]SuperArff 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
As much as I hate our current government in Canada, the GOP need to take a leaf out of the Conservative's book and stop running a campaign based on archaic beliefs that the majority of the nation is against.
[–]twoweektrial 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Not that you can really divorce social issues from economic issues.
[–]Terranoso [score hidden]  (0 children)
Abortion, mate. It'll drive a wedge in society until there is no society to speak of.
[–]ButtStallionn [score hidden]  (0 children)
The supreme court's decision on abortion hasn't stopped them from trying to meddle with it.
[–]thatshowitis [score hidden]  (0 children)
Ha ha, social issues are the distraction they use to keep us from uniting against corporate control.
[–]dee_c -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Fact. Social issues are a privilege for people to care about. I've been to poor countries in SE Asia, they dont care about who can marry who, or gun control, or whatever. Every piece of the family is trying to make enough money to survive and if they are lucky send some of their kids to school.
If you dont have financial security, social issues dont matter.
Finally, we can change our attention to jobs and the economy.
This is where republicans will strive as they encourage pro-job policies that remove bullshit regulation which attracts the working class (who actually vote).
The youth will not show up in this election. They got what they wanted and they are still bitter about Obama's hope because they are impatient fuckwits.
So, if repubs keep pressure on Hillary (who is getting shit on from all sides for her shady ass behavior) I think we will see a republican this time around.
NOTE: I can feel the downvotes coming, but I tried to take a logical standpoint, like when Im watching a football game and I dont like either team but I'm told to make a prediction. But by all means, please downvote me because it's against your opinions.
[–]gth829c 94 points95 points96 points  (16 children)
There's that whole "religious freedom" thing now. That's going to be the hot button topic. Can we keep the gays out of our stores?
[–]ipn8bit 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Discrimination is legal except in the case of gender, race, religion, and ethnicity. ...but not yet sexual orientation, so you might be right. Obama did pass a law that made crimes against gays for the reason they are gay is a hate crime but I'm not sure how that effects anything else.
[–]ANAL_BREATHS 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
"I'm coming out in your store!"
[–]Skarmorism 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Announced with proud, strong ANAL_BREATHS
[–]codeByNumber 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
How do they see that as anything other than a reincarnation of Jim Crowe laws?
[–]CANOODLING_SOCIOPATH 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
That issue has a lot more moderates that side with the conservatives. That will hopefully change over the next few years but it isn't nearly as damning in the polls as being against gay marriage is.
[–]blackgranite 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
They still get to fight the war where "sexual orientation" and "sexual identity" is being made a protected class in some states.
[–]bigtuck54 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Pretty sure this ruling took care of that too. It gave everyone the same rights everywhere. So no, you can't.
[–]dgrant92 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Religious freedom certainly doesn't supersede a citizen's civil rights to access and service from a public business. You want to start a private club (religion) that excludes certain others, that's one thing. You want to run an open public business, you cannot refuse gays anymore than any other subset of society (ie blacks, Indians, women, etc)
[–]deHavillandDash8Q400 [score hidden]  (0 children)
More like, can churches keep their sovereignty? Churches shouldn't be forced to make gay marriages. there are plenty out there that will do so happily, but they shouldn't be forced to.
[–]helpmesleep666 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
The religious freedom thing is going to backfire hardcore.
What happens when someone starts a Gay religion, makes a popular store/nightclub and keeps straight people out...
OMG Segregation, discrimination, RACISM.
People will exploit it so harshly.. it won't last long.
Plus discrimination is federally illegal I believe.
[–]lostintransactions 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
What happens when someone starts a Gay religion, makes a popular store/nightclub and keeps straight people out... OMG Segregation, discrimination, RACISM.
Somehow I do not think there will be any protests from the right about that...as long as it is allowed the other way. They would actually welcome this. Think my friend, think.
[–]helpmesleep666 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
huh? I'm not saying the Right would be coming out saying that..
You realize that liberals protest stuff to right?
[–]Happy_Harry -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
It's not about keeping gays out of stores. It's about not wanting to have to participate in something that goes against your religious beliefs.
[–]gth829c 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Then don't serve the public. It's that fucking simple. You don't have a right to running a business. It's a choice. Unlike sexuality.
[–]Happy_Harry 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Or just don't open a bakery.
[–]Dusty_Ideas 24 points25 points26 points  (7 children)
They still have the opportunity to have a candidate who says "The first thing I will do when I'm president is reverse the Supreme Court decision on gay marriage!"
[–]Delphizer 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
...A president can't do that... Unless he is going to campaign on trying to get a constitutional amendment. Which is sad as people might believe that is actually possible.
EDIT : Someone mentioned it'd also be possible to appoint new justices and overturn at the SCOTUS level. This is only slightly more realistic, but is another possibility. Any other road? Mass State cessation maybe lol?
[–]Dusty_Ideas 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Just because it is inaccurate doesn't mean a candidate can't say it.
[–]fco83 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Still he could campaign on getting new justices, but even then the court is traditionally extremely hesitant to reverse its past decisions.
[–]ApprovalNet 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
[–]Heartflight 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Perhaps along with celebrating we should spread this info as well. Ignorance will go far in this world, not any direction youd want to go, but far...
[–]GinsburgSchminsburg 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Literally can't be done, but I'm sure they'll give it a go anyway.
[–]eddzr717 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
it doesn't work that way
[–]massive_cock 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
This is quite true. This gives some space for the more forward-thinking Republicans, freeing them from constantly battling the choice between personal conviction and the expectations of their voting base. They can now just shrug and say 'It's settled law, whatever your beliefs or mine. Let's focus on other things.' It allows them to drag the party forward just that much more, that much faster, and over the span of an election cycle or two, it will help the younger members of the party shake out the 'rich old white guy' types and remake the GOP into something a bit less poisonous to the Republic.
[–]CrustyGrundle 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
Yep, as a conservative I can't wait until we stop making issues out of things like gay marriage and focus on the important issues. Taking that issue off the table actually hurts democrats.
[–]t-poke 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
Not really, marriage is just one part of equality for LGBTs. Next is the issue of employer discrimination. In many states you can still be fired simply because of your sexual orientation. The republicans are going to kick and scream like little children at any attempt to change that.
[–]TarryStool [score hidden]  (1 child)
In many states you can still be fired simply because of your sexual orientation
We need a citation for that please.
[–]fireinthesky7 6 points7 points8 points  (4 children)
No, they'll just start bloviating about passing a constitutional amendment banning it like George W. did in 2000.
[–]AmericanOSX 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
It would never happen. Unless American politics takes a huge shift to the right, its just too difficult to pass a constitutional amendment.
You need 2/3 of both the House and Senate to approve the Amendment.
Then you need 3/4 of the state legislatures to approve the Amendment.
Even if it did get through Congress, there's no way 3/4 of the states would approve of banning gay marriage at this point.
[–]xHeero 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
No serious republican politician would think it was possible either. They might talk about it though to get the bigots going.
[–]fireinthesky7 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I didn't say it would happen, but every GOP candidate out there knows it's a perfect talking point to con votes out of the religious right. I doubt any of the candidates actually believe it will happen.
[–]jimbo831 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The fact that Republicans were never going to actually have a chance to repeal Obamacare while Obama was in office hasn't stopped them from trying to do it 100 times and making it their primary election platform the last couple elections. It's all about getting votes, not actually talking about what you plan to accomplish.
[–]drysdam 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
That must be why they dropped abortion as an issue back in the 70s.
[–]TimbuFTZB 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
here's hoping they try to be on the 'fixing' end of the problem with what ever they pick up next
[–]poktanju 2502 points2503 points2504 points  (51 children)
Shrieking rage.
[–]RaleighRedd 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
I forgot about this--- still relevant. Also, how do these people do this with a straight face?
[–]HRP 35 points36 points37 points  (1 child)
Oh my fucking god, this is so amazing.
[–]sknot1454 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
Fucking dying
[–]Greenkeeper 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
I'm crying
[–]ichbinladen 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Geriatric Republican who doesn't understand satire:
"I'm voting for that Shrieking White-Hot Sphere Of Pure Rage I saw in the news."
[–]Ospov 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I got a good laugh out of that. Thanks for sharing!
[–]Marine_Mustang [score hidden]  (0 children)
"Announcing as early as Christmas 2015"...I bet that was funny when they wrote it, but here we are in summer 2015, with how many officially announced candidates already?
[–]george_the_caniac [score hidden]  (0 children)
"It really speaks to me, usually through my television and my nightmares."
[–]Annihilicious [score hidden]  (0 children)
OMG: Lost it at "It's got me building this hive..."
[–]Cylinsier 649 points650 points651 points  (12 children)
The same think we do every election cycle, Pinky. Shriek with impotent rage.
[–]Osiris32 26 points27 points28 points  (2 children)
I think so, Brain, but how are we going to afford a bigger military AND promise to reduce taxes without negatively effecting the citizenry?
[–]inkhogneatoh 24 points25 points26 points  (1 child)
When was negatively affecting the citizenry ever a concern?
[–]Osiris32 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
Oh, roight, I forgot! NARF!
[–]ResonantOne 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Ok that made me laugh.
[–]noafro1991 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
I'm glad I get this reference.
[–]augmentedpotato [score hidden]  (0 children)
This is so weird for me because I wouldn't have gotten this reference yesterday.
[–]Xibby 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I can't decide if I should invite you for being funny or down vote because of my fandom for Pinky and the Brain.
Screw it, my friends and family members are having a great day! UPVOTES FOR EVERYONE!!!
[–]TheAquaman 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
"There's a War on Christianity. They're ruining our country."
[–]pgabrielfreak 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Don't forget stamping feet and petulant tears, poktanju.
[–]whirlpool138 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
and smearing shit on the walls.
[–]qret 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I don't know what it is, but you absolutely fucking killed me. I am die laughing. :'D
[–]CopEatingDonut 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
My guess, education pitfalls due to lack of funding
[–]612WolfAvenue 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
My vote is gun control, taxes, marijuana, and just a general vacuum of knowledge.
[–]pbrooks19 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
They're now waiting for the pigs to start flying across the skies, as they expected would happen if either of these decisions were made.
[–]ElegantHippo93 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
My mom is an avid Fox News watcher, and don't worry I think they are still planning on running on repealing Obamacare. It's like a shitty sequel.
[–]YoungTeachMusic 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I enjoyed this comment.
[–]tuttutter 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
With a side order of sputtering disbelief.
[–]el__scorcho 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
And I love it
[–]PenOptimist 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Shreking rage. It's all ogre now.
[–]ControlBear 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I read that as shrinkage.
[–]HRH_Maddie 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
"Rage we can believe in"
[–]TekAzurik 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Few comments have made me lol so hard. Upvote for you sir
[–]Fariswheel 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
So, they are going with the Howard Dean strategy?
[–]shadwblade2652 [score hidden]  (0 children)
We said the next election
[–]causalNondeterminism 187 points188 points189 points  (27 children)
hillary clinton's emails.
edit: I'm not being sarcastic. This is a legitimate issue.
[–]unclejessesmullet 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
Don't forget benghazigate
[–]XxsquirrelxX 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
That's the most overblown controversy I've ever heard of. They really milked that till it was dry.
[–]stuckinthepow 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Good. I don't want Hillary as President. Bernie for President!
[–]MrPeppa 6 points7 points8 points  (7 children)
That email fiasco disqualifies her from the POTUS position imo. I only see 2 reasons why she would use her personal account for potentially top secret government business: carelessness or malice. Either she did not understand the need for keeping such information in the intended place or she was hiding something. Neither are qualities you want to see in a president.
[–]causalNondeterminism 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
my understanding was that she felt it was more secure that way - secure from whom? the US government?
[–]MrPeppa 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
Basically. And deleting a crapton of supposedly irrelevant/personal emails before handing the rest over to the government pretty much proves that she was doing something shady. If she was just conducting her job's regular functions, she would have handed everything over with a, " my bad for keeping these in the wrong place" rather than getting rid of a bunch of them suspiciously fast.
[–]pab_guy 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Yeah, definitely sketchy.
Here's the problem: I don't believe for one second that any of the republican contenders would do a better job as president.
It's shit-sandwich choosing time, and emails are just the appetizer.
These sorts of barely-scandals (compared to actual proven nefarious stuff, not just sketchy shit) just don't matter. People are going to believe what they want, or hold their nose and vote their ideology regardless.
[–]ojaldaconqueso [score hidden]  (0 children)
Sigh. This is exactly how I feel. After today's decision I would feel a little bit less guilty voting Republican, but at the end of the day, there's still so many things (like Obamacare) that would be at risk. I know a vote for Hillary Clinton is basically a vote for Claire Underwood, but sadly we would still be better off.
[–]amaefm [score hidden]  (1 child)
I have plenty of personal emails I wouldn't want made public, doesn't mean I'm doing something shady.
[–]Sisters_of_Merci [score hidden]  (0 children)
You're not the former Secretary of State. But you don't get my vote either.
[–]amaefm [score hidden]  (0 children)
Because until that time the Secretary of State had never had an official email and John Kerry is actually the first?
[–]Drekken- 4 points5 points6 points  (6 children)
If you don't think this email issue is a big deal and makes her unqualified to be our president, you must have your head in the sand. She is corrupt and needs to give it up.
[–]causalNondeterminism 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
that smile is the face of evil
[–]XxsquirrelxX -3 points-2 points-1 points  (4 children)
I can find even more things that should immediately disqualify other presidential candidates.
Chris Christie: Bridgegate. Also his horrid mishandling of Hurricane Sandy relief funds. And the betrayal of his state to win the favor of Iowa. Basically, the majority of New Jersey wanted pregnancy crates for pigs banned, but he vetoed the law (passed by about 95% of the legislators) because Iowa was a big pig farming state.
Donald Trump: Bragged about his wealth. That's a big no-no, and will probably doom him. He also complained about how the U.S. didn't take enough stuff from the countries it invaded. This isn't too severe. It's more on the stupid factor.
Jeb Bush: Gave the 2000 election to his brother. He was governor of Florida at the time, and we all know what went down in Florida.
Mike Huckabee: Tried to keep the Duggar scandal down by shoveling money into it.
Face it, all politicians are corrupt.
[–]Drekken- 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
And I am sure most wouldn't disagree with you. They all have reasons, but the subject was Clinton. You feel like someone bragging about their wealth is worse than the secretary of state using her own private email servers for government work and then deleting incriminating emails from the server. I really can't see eye to eye with you on this one. Sorry. Clinton should be in jail.
[–]XxsquirrelxX 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Clinton should be in jail.
And so should Chris Christie.
Now, about Trump. I didn't say that bragging about your wealth is worse than using private emails. But keep in mind he basically wants us to be a pirate nation, taking resources from the countries we invade. Bragging about wealth is stupid, but wanting to plunder countries? That's scary.
[–]amaefm [score hidden]  (0 children)
Isn't John Kerry the first SoS to use an official e-mail? Haven't all other SoS used their own e-mail?
[–]swoletrain [score hidden]  (0 children)
Its official then: RandPaul2016
[–]MUYkylo 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Cheers to Bernie!
[–]thenichi [score hidden]  (0 children)
Here's to hoping Clinton doesn't win the primaries.
[–]Sudestbrewer 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Benghazi 9999.0
[–]superturtle3 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
...that's a pretty valid concern though.
[–]doovidooves 56 points57 points58 points  (6 children)
"The economy is in shambles because of THAT guy!"
"No, the economy is in shambles because of THAT guy!"
[–]Bunnymancer 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Ah yes, the tried and tested "Find the scapegoat instead of fixing it" political line.
Been a great system for decades now!
[–]JaseFace 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
The economy really isn't in shambles though. It's doing fairly well, all things considered. The problem is who the growth is benefiting
[–]Appleflavoredcarrots 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Politics 101.
[–]shadownukka99 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
So, the same?
[–]orangeandpeavey 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Dey took our jerbs
[–]James_Knox_Polk 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
"And what policy that he implemented affected the economy at all?"
"Well he accidentally pulled the 'bad economy lever' of course."
[–]antebellumrose 65 points66 points67 points  (10 children)
Banning it all again, of course.
[–]imoses44 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Defunding Gay marriage
[–]neubourn -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Ding ding ding, we have a winnah!!
But yeah, these decisions are actually a gift for the GOP Prez candidates, as they can campaign on how the government is overreaching, and that they will put some more Conservative justices on the bench, yada yada yada
[–]DeathWalkingTerror 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Exactly. Every campaign promise by a GOP candidate in 2016 will be something along the lines of "ban gay marriage with an amendment and repeal Obamacare."
The GOP's entire ideology is undoing progress. This is nothing new.
[–]Fuckface84 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Not that some won't try, but it will be very hard to do after today...
[–]MrMoustachio -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
They call that a "return to values".
[–]wmeredith 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
There's truth to this. They've been trying to overturn Roe v Wade for decades.
[–]Val_Hallen 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
We can look forward to 8 years of gay marriage legalization lawsuits...
[–]dreamqueen9103 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
Have you two not been paying attention? We've had 8 years and more of gay marriage lawsuits. That's what lead to a few cases making it to the supreme court. The highest court in the land which can't be overturned without a insane amount of effort and drastic changes in society. Will there be individuals that refuse to marry gay couples? Maybe.But remember what happened to that pizza place that denied services to a gay couple? The courthouse in the town can not refuse to give them a marriage license. If the clerk doesn't want to do it, fine, but the courthouse will have to issue one.
Equality is winning. It's okay to be positive for a moment.
[–]Val_Hallen 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I am referring to the Obama care lawsuits. Even after the SCOTUS declared it legal and law of the land, the GOP kept suing over it.
I expect the same thing now.
[–]dreamqueen9103 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Nah, Obama care was a lot more complicated and had a ton of different sections to it that could be brought up. This doesn't. Besides, it's been less than 3 hours since it was announced, why not enjoy it for a moment?
[–]returnofthrowaway 165 points166 points167 points  (20 children)
Anti-trans stuff, anti-abortion, vaguely anti-minority by way of "pro police" false dilemma stuff. They're got plenty of tricks!
[–]GomezFigueroa 12 points13 points14 points  (3 children)
It's funny you include anti-abortion. Because the Supreme Court decided that states can't ban access to abortions the same way they now can't ban gay people from getting married. So it seems like the gay marriage thing could still be an issue for a while.
[–]fatcat2040 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
The next few years will be interesting as conservative states find technically-legal ways to restrict gay marriage. Maybe buildings where marriages are held will be required to have admitting rights at a hospital that is less than 120 miles away?
[–]thenichi [score hidden]  (1 child)
Michigan is looking at a law that requires a religious officiant to sign marriage documents rather than allowing a legal officiant. Which would be a very silly way to go about it, but I could see that being a motive for them.
[–]Dysalot [score hidden]  (0 children)
Would that pass the first amendment? I mean I guess they would have no ability to restrict what a "religious officiant" is.
[–]GadflyIII 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
None of this on the GOP ticket
[–]inputmethod 5 points6 points7 points  (10 children)
And we should be loud and vocal about all of them. It's crazy it took America this long to legalize gay marriage, but now we have momentum. We need to be vehemently opposed to anti-trans, anti-women, and anti-minority legislation.
Trans people experience more violence than almost any group. Their suicide rate is many times higher than average. We desperately need to create a world that is inclusive of them.
Women certainly deserve freedom over the choices they make regarding their own bodies, and don't need doctors forcing them to sacrifice their choice at a future they want (and sometimes their lives) for an embryo they may not even want. And in the event they do have a child why are they not getting paid extended maternity leave like many other first world countries offer? Why do women make less than their male counterparts?
Minorities have long been the backbone of this country. The workers that built our industry. That they are marginalized, subjected to violence and institutionalized discrimination (e.g. extreme profiling by police leading to absurd incarceration rates, lower education, and public degradation in the media such as being called thugs or being made a spectacle of) is abhorrent and not indicative of a society that touts progression.
Sorry for the rant...it's just very important. And while all the issues are important I urge you to look at the plight of trans people in regard to violence and suicide rates. It's unbelievable. 10-15 year olds committing suicide.
[–]ApprovalNet 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Minorities have long been the backbone of this country. The workers that built our industry.
What about all of the working class white people? Are we leaving them out because "fuck white people" or was that just an oversight on your part?
[–]inputmethod 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Thanks for the false choice.
Black people built industry in this country, Chinese and Irish immigrants built our railroads and infrastructure.
I'm sure there were white people too, but in case you haven't noticed white people have it pretty good by almost every metric when compared to non-whites. Being white is the standard others are measured against in this country. That's pretty far from "fuck white people".
Why don't we try to help everyone reach equality before we start other arguments.
Edit: unless you meant workers rights in general then yes I agree, but that's not an issue directly related to race.
[–]SaltLakeCitySlicker 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Chinese and Irish immigrants built our railroads and infrastructure.
I'm sure there were white people too
TIL Irish aren't white. Did they add a "phosphorescent" category to the race selection areas of forms?
[–]inputmethod [score hidden]  (0 children)
Other white people but excluding the aforementioned Chinese. Can you argue semantics anymore?
[–]thenichi [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'd like to take a moment to also include being vehemently opposed to anti-poor legislation and in support of pro-labor legislation. (Though maybe finding more appealing words--I'm not a PR people by any means.) Especially since much of the anti-minority stuff at this point goes:
  1. Minorities are disproportionately in poverty
  2. Poverty leads to crime and other bad shit
  3. Minorities are, as a result, disproportionately involved in crime and other bad shit
  4. Most people see crime and other bad shit in a bad light
  5. As a result most people see minorities in a bad light (e.g. the fabled "black culture" that is so terrible is just poverty's effects)
You can't stop the hate until you fix poverty. While it's doable (other v=countries have done it), unfortunately the fight is much, much harder since it does actually affect others (the only fix for poverty is a better distribution of resources, which means some people have to lose some of their current share).
[–]anakinmcfly 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
10-15 year olds committing suicide.
I know of 6 year old trans kids who'd already been contemplating suicide, according to their parents; it just takes a few more years before they figure out means to do it.
I'm trans and remember first learning what suicide was when I was 8, after years of physical self-harming since I was 4 as a punishment for my gender dysphoric thoughts. I was excited at the idea that people could actually kill themselves instead of just wait around to die, because then I could speed up the process of going to heaven where God would let me be a boy. I heard that heaven was supposed to be a happy place.
...but then I chickened out when I saw that ten stories from the top floor of my apartment block was a really long distance to fall.
[–]inputmethod [score hidden]  (0 children)
Wow that is shocking. I'm sure most people feel the same way reading that. Can you talk about how things are for you now?
[–]Donitsu -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
What the fuck are you talking about? You're already legal, you'll have to win the social stigma war, not a politics one.
[–]anakinmcfly [score hidden]  (1 child)
I'm not American; homosexuality is still illegal in my country, and trans rights are a different mess. But apart from that, I was just elaborating on the comment's mention of young trans kids killing themselves, because it's a really huge problem around the world, and I thought I'd share my own experience with that. :/
[–]inputmethod [score hidden]  (0 children)
Thank you. Fuck people that ignore or aren't able to understand the struggle. There are people who support you. Wanting you to "shut up about it" or whatever that guy's point was is the exact mentality that still causes violence and hate against minorities. They want to tune things out because for one reason or another they can't cope with the idea of accepting other people are struggling. Ignore those people.
[–]notdutchnotmuch 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Don't forget weed!
[–]TunicSongForKaren -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Lots of anti-immigration topics too probably.
[–]thenichi [score hidden]  (0 children)
GOP Immigration Platform: Let's make Texas a blue state!
[–]travelexplorephoto -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Yeah those fuckers will find something.
[–]manfox 45 points46 points47 points  (37 children)
Could ask the same of the Democratic party. What are they going to have to talk about as well? Real issues like the war and economy hopefully.
[–]crybannanna 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Income inequality.
It seems the Dems are going left with a populous message. Bernie Sanders will force the issue on this at debates.
So yes, the economy will be huge. Foreign policy won't be much different unless Rand Paul gets the nomination... Then that will be an interesting topic as well.
[–]manfox -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
I like Rand Paul. I wish we could have had his father though.
[–]crybannanna 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I like him too... I like his father also. Though I disagree with more of their policy than I agree with, I still like them.
He called government funded healthcare slavery. He actually said the government would come to his home and force him to treat people if it were a single payer system. That's a bit bonkers.
Still like him because he seems honest and principled, even where those principles are fundamentally against my own they are based in reason (mostly)
[–]Angsty_Potatos 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
The Student Debt thing is always a good place to start!
[–]hooligan_xneznvfrnfl 19 points20 points21 points  (4 children)
This was a real issue.
[–]peppermint-kiss 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Yes, but this issue was self-evident to anyone with knowledge of history and an actual heart. Few conservative politicans actually cared about it, and many liberal politicans were happy for a distraction from the more nefarious things they were doing behind the scenes.
It's like running decades of campaigns on "Should we kill puppies or not?"
Foreign policy, economics, etc. are "real issues" because they are things that legitimately need to be debated and don't necessarily have one right answer. Things like gay marriage, abortion, and Obamacare are issues that conservative think tanks drag out (or, in the latter case, make up) because they make conservative voters feel "icky" and uncomfortable and distract them from serious problems in their lives, like the economy and war, where liberal ideas might actually make some headway in the election. If no one's paying attention to those things, establishment politicians (Democrats included) can continue feeding their corporate masters through legislation and no one's the wiser.
[–]idiotseparator 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Few conservatives care? Really? Is that why nearly all Republican candidates have stated opposition to it as part of their platform?
[–]peppermint-kiss 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Read carefully...conservative politicians.
Initially, it was essentially a political move. Now, there are some newer politicians that have actually drunk the Koolaid. Pretend to be crazy long enough, and...well...
[–]iam1s 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
Apparently everyone loves War.
[–]joe-h2o -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
War. War never changes.
[–]manfox 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
In case you didn't notice, we are a nation at war and somebody needs to address this.
[–]cracked6 1 point2 points3 points  (3 children)
Who are we at "war" with this time?
[–]manfox 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
Not sure if you've heard of ISIS... but it's them. Plus we're still at war in Afghanistan.
[–]iam1s [score hidden]  (0 children)
In addition to ISIS, America is taking military action in Syria, Iraq, Uganda and Yemen as well... off the top of my head.
[–]Aaron215 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
We can only hope. Republicans will still campaign on overturning obamacare and preventing the spread of the liberal menace, but the race is crowded enough that maybe we'll get to talk about things of substance on both D and R races for nomination. Maybe. Or maybe they'll just make up something new to distract us.
[–]CaptainCheddarJack 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
One word: EDUCATION.
Bonus, three words: Universal Health Care (probably not though)
[–]Bunnymancer 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Healthcare still needs to be fixed.
Abortion still needs to be tackled.
There are still wars we're engaged in.
And then there's education....
Democrats have tons of stuff
[–]bcdm 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Civil rights ain't enough of a real issue for ya, there?
[–]dgrant92 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Lowest unemployment rate since 2008 here in Nevada! Beating the crap out of ISIS
next ?
[–]nonnymouse 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
The Democratic Party will still talk about gay marriage and say that it is now legal because of them.
[–]Everyones_Grudge 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
It's not legal because of them per se, but do you really think that if both major political parties in the country opposed gay marriage then the Supreme Court still would have ruled this way?
[–]SimbaOnSteroids -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Unless Bernie
[–]TrollinForDownvotes -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Student loan bubble, increasing wealth gap, workforce conditions (maternity leave, minimum income, etc), crumbling infrastructure, unnecessary defense spending, increased education, and a whole host of others.
Like the democrats or not, and least they have a multitude of areas where they want to do something, instead of acting like the republicans and only opposing every policy without offering an alternative.
Realistically, though, the election will be more about who does better in the reality show TV contest we like to call an election, unfortunately.
[–]manfox -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Those are all issues for every party. I urge you to go to Rand Pauls website and read his stance on all of the issues you have mentioned. I think you would be surprised what Republicans actually think. It's not just what reddit tells you they think.
[–]weatherwar 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
*A republican. Rand Paul is new blood in the Repubs, the old blood, which is a lot of the other candidates, do not think the same way as Rand Paul.
[–]piratelordking -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
How is this not a "real issue"? Your the guy who decides what's a real issue or not?
Hey everyone! This guy says it's not a real issue so all you gays just have to go back to fighting for a fundamental human right.
[–]manfox -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I'm saying social issues are not near as big of issues. War and economy are issues that millions of people die because of.
[–]TheRickyB -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
Democrats just have to sit and absorb all the glory for being on the Right side of these issues. anything else they got will be gravy on the taters.
[–]manfox -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
Funny because Republicans are on the same side with these social issues. There is the vocal minority that thinks different, but as a whole the Republican party is a much more accepting party. Just take a look at the diversity in the primary elections for the Republicans, then go to their websites and read their stances on the issues. I think you'll be surprised that it's not all how reddit tells you it is.
[–]Everyones_Grudge 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
At this point I can't tell if you're just trolling or deluded
[–]TheRickyB 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
i think Deluded, maybe he's hoping noone watch the RNC. . .
[–]jimbo831 -1 points0 points1 point  (2 children)
Real issues like the war and economy hopefully.
Now we know where you stand. Guess what, to many, this is a real issue. To me, this was the most important issue, and I'm not even gay.
[–]manfox 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
It is definitely a huge step forward. All I'm saying is that you can't base your campaign on gay marriage. There are much larger problems in the world and in America that need to be addressed too, and ahead of gay marriage. I am happy though, because now this makes any candidate's stance on gay marriage irrelevant. And it's not something that will be debated anymore, it is final.
[–]jimbo831 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
There are much larger problems in the world and in America that need to be addressed too
This is certainly an opinion you can have, but I just disagree. To me, the government discriminating wholly against a class of citizens is one of the largest problems we faced. Now that it is over, I'm happy to move on to other issues, although the gay discrimination issue is far from dead. The next battlefield will be the "religious freedom" laws that allow businesses to discriminate against gays. I suspect that will be in front of SCOTUS within the next year or two as well.
[–]thewaybaseballgo 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Pearl clutching
[–]ArcOfSpades 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Haven't heard about Benghazi in a while.
[–]what_mustache 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
You haven't been to fox news recently...
[–]iamfriedsushi 129 points130 points131 points  (10 children)
Growing up, I was extremely homophobic. My mother had difficulty understanding this, and asked several times what someone else's orientation had to do with my life. I made up all kinds of bullshit reasons, often resorting to "it's just wrong".
Fast forward to my college years, I found myself having a conversation with one of my mentors about equal rights and equality, in general. That mentor echoed the same thing my mother had said years earlier.
These two women made a profound impact on my life, and showed me how irrational my homophobia was. How fitting that what would have been my mother's 63rd birthday, the SCOTUS reminds us of the same thing my mother and mentor did years ago.
Love is love.
Thanks mother!
Edit: Thanks for the gold!
[–]LucidFlare 7 points8 points9 points  (4 children)
Well my situation is almost completely opposite. I woke up this morning to all of this and when I told my mom she turned around with the biggest look of disgust I've seen and said "Did they really". Not in a good way either. Then my dad spouted off something that made no sense that their must be more gays than straight people. Made me remember why I want to move out so bad and will be soon. Also I'm straight but still I can't fucking stand blind hatred of things that have no real reason to be disliked.
Also the end times are almost here according to my mother. -_-
[–]iamfriedsushi [score hidden]  (0 children)
Wow...That's insane. My mother taught me to live and let live. It's been a wonderful life guiding philosophy for me.
[–]Necrohol [score hidden]  (2 children)
At least you are not blind with hatred as well, and that's something really good! I hope you move out and find amazing people to befriend.
[–]LucidFlare [score hidden]  (1 child)
Thanks. I plan on moving out very soon and moving out of state where there are some people I've been friends with for a few years. :D
[–]octopoddle [score hidden]  (0 children)
I hate to try advising people of anything( because I'm a bit of a shambles myself) but if I may then can I please suggest that you try not to hold it against your parents too much or waste too much time trying to convince them that you're wrong.
They grew up with certain prejudices that you, thankfully, didn't have to. Fortunately they failed to pass them on to you, and kudos for that. Getting into arguments about it or trying to avoid contact won't likely achieve anything much, and forgiving them for their ignorance is a measure of your ability to accept in a way that they never probably will.
TLDR: Love the sinner, hate the sin. There's already too much hate out there. Let's make this about love.
[–]Accalon-0 [score hidden]  (1 child)
I'm not sure how to phrase it, but do you feel like you were just naturally homophobic, or can you remember some kind of influence that would have made you that way?
[–]iamfriedsushi [score hidden]  (0 children)
Oddly enough, it was something that I didn't care about until folks started talking about it. As an opinionated child in the church, I thought I had to have an opinion.
Originally, my rationale was that it (gay marriage) was sinful and unnatural. Then, it moved to the "it's just wrong" rationale. I should mention that I also had people in my life (friends, classmates, etc) who influenced and encouraged the "it's just wrong" rationale.
Going away to college and having a mentor I trusted who echoed my mother's sentiments was instrumental. She (the mentor) was very candid and non-judgemental with her questions of me and how I felt. She made sense. Just plain, logical sense.
As an aside, there's a quote in my office that says, "Lessons are repeated until they are learned." Thanks to my mentor and mother, I learned a valuable lesson.
[–]cleaver_username [score hidden]  (1 child)
Happy Birthday iamfiredsushi's mom!It took awhile, but you raised a good son(daughter?)!
[–]iamfriedsushi [score hidden]  (0 children)
Thanks. Her son turned out okay...tho it took quite a bit of time.
[–]goatcoat [score hidden]  (0 children)
You are enlightened and delicious.
[–]sysadmin_jay 82 points83 points84 points  (4 children)
I am an ordained minister in central Kentucky, I will officiate your wedding at no cost, but you gotta give me some notice so I can press my clothes :)
[–]ManicLord 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
Officiate in a speedo, mate.
[–]mscuppykate [score hidden]  (0 children)
Where were you when my minister broke his leg 2 months ago eh?
[–]Geohump 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
My clothes are already depressed... ;-)
[–]Dyne4R 44 points45 points46 points  (4 children)
Random question: Can we set up a subreddit to collect responses from the conservative rants on this? I feel like it would be a popcorn-worthy event.
Maybe something like r/muhmarriage
[–]SHUT_UP_PEDANT [score hidden]  (1 child)
I'm really upset nothing's there yet. I would enjoy that thoroughly.
[–]Iainfixie [score hidden]  (0 children)
Click that link again and strap in homeboy/girl. We doin this!
[–]Gralma 504 points505 points506 points  (97 children)
Westboro Baptist Church must be losing it's shit right now. EDIT: Apparently they are happy about it.
[–]Rad_Spencer 232 points233 points234 points  (24 children)
Rumor has it they may be planing a protest....
[–]Their_Police 143 points144 points145 points  (9 children)
I thought it was assumed that they're always planning a protest.
[–]kimburly 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
It is so ordered.
[–]JibbyJabbaJumpShot 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
As is tradition.
[–]7screws 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
it would be news if they DIDNT protest!
[–]GhostFaceDrillah 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
That's their secret, they're always protesting
[–]shadownukka99 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Even when they're protesting?
[–]James_Knox_Polk 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It should be an Onion article: "WBC Announces Five Things They Will Not be Protesting. Everything Else will be Protested."
[–]RogueToasters 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Even at protests they are planning protests
[–]InsertNameHere77 [score hidden]  (0 children)
But wait, when do they ever stop protesting to plan the next protest?
[–]cheffgeoff 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
It's hard to understand, and by no means am I an expert in mental health issues and abuse which is the foundation of the Westboro Baptist Church, but these guys aren't protesting in any way. They want the world to burn in an apocalypse where they the "righteous" are vindicated and exulted on high while the rest of us burn in Gods wrath... via Satan... who is doing all of this against God's will... but then will punish us as God's agent... the details get a little fuzzy. But the point is that they want this stuff to happen so that the end of the world comes sooner rather than later... again the details are fuzzy as to why, but it goes without saying that mental health issues and patience don't always go hand in hand.
What they are doing is more of a PSA about how they are right and following God's path by making it perfectly clear that they disagree with Satan's politics. They don't give a flying fuck if you agree with them, or get your mind changed by them, in fact the exact opposite is true; the less people that agree with them the more heaven they get. They just want to make it crystal clear to God that they are on God's sign... with bright posters just in case he has bad eyesight or is a little fuzzy on their relative political positions. So stuff like this give them a real chubby because it means that the end times are coming sooner. Just remember if they cared about changing the hearts and minds of people they would have a better PR department. They just do this as a form of proof for after the end of the world so they can point and laugh at us saying "I told you so!"
[–]rmimsmusic 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
Wait, the WBC planning a protest? Inconceivable!
[–]SplitReality -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I do not think you know the meaning of that word.
[–]derceto 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
As long as they steer clear of any buildings, they can do what they want.
[–]StrictScrutiny 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Ah, so it's a day that ends in y, then.
[–]Lampjaw 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Oh shit they're getting serious then.
[–]thebig2814 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
A protest on a plane?! What will they think of next?!?!?!
[–]Matrillik 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Unheard of!
[–]mormotomyia 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
god damn
[–]DamienHanrahan 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
They wouldn't dare
[–]saekla 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Has the protest been sticking in the jamb from the recent humidity?
[–]zBaer 114 points115 points116 points  (12 children)
They lose their shit daily.
[–]jschild 313 points314 points315 points  (8 children)
America is having a good day today!
Congrats to all those who fought so hard for the right to marry the person they love.
EDIT: Props to Kennedy for writing the beautiful final paragraph....
"No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right. The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit is reversed.
It is so ordered."
[–]Bunnymancer 403 points404 points405 points  (43 children)
Great!
Now, can we finally stop calling it same-sex marriage?
It's just marriage now. No distinction is to be had. It's just marriage. Please, do everyone affected by this (that is, all couples who can now legally marry) a huge favor and make a conscious effort to not use the term 'same-sex marriage'.
[–]ThatLesbian 175 points176 points177 points  (15 children)
Jeez fine. Picky picky. I'll go hop in my same-sex Jeep, head over to lesbian breakfast and celebrate my "marriage".
[–]CowOfSteel 42 points43 points44 points  (6 children)
So would you say you're eating out for this breakfast?
[–]ThatLesbian 23 points24 points25 points  (0 children)
I would. I absolutely would.
[–]labbeduddel 115 points116 points117 points  (6 children)
Proud to be an American today
[–]smooshie 754 points755 points756 points  (169 children)
Kennedy wrote majority opinion. Four dissents, one by each justice, whose tears I will happily drink.
Edit: 64 pages of dissents. While Roberts was somewhat gracious, and congratulated gay couples on their new right (while rejecting the idea that it comes form the Constitution), Scalia is straight out tantruming.
[–]evanb_ 251 points252 points253 points  (23 children)
whose tears
Roberts's dissent is very respectful of the decision. Though I disagree with his assessment, I certainly appreciate the way he presents it.
[–]AnHonestLawyer85 87 points88 points89 points  (12 children)
He really is a gentleman. People feared the worst when he was appointed, but unlike Scalia who will write scathing and nearly insulting dissents, Roberts generally conducts himself as we should expect of the Supremes.
[–]glass_hedgehog 305 points306 points307 points  (24 children)
Personally, I can't believe this passed with a narrower margin than the Obamacare ruling yesterday.
I knew it would pass, but who would have thought Obamacare would have a bigger margin?
[–]banebot 239 points240 points241 points  (13 children)
Anyone who paid attention to the Obamacare case knows that it was not long for the court anyways. It was a semantics argument on word usage in a very esoteric part of the bill. It was not the fundamental healthcare knock-down drag-out fight the media made it out to be.
[–]conpermiso 36 points37 points38 points  (0 children)
And in fact that court's decision addresses the fact that intent trumps some awkward wording, which is as close to a "get out of here with your weak ass shit" as you can expect from the Supreme court.
[–]michaellicious 701 points702 points703 points  (85 children)
WOOO. Me and my bf can get married now :D
[–]noraamitt 426 points427 points428 points  (37 children)
Can I come? More importantly, will there be an open bar?
[–]dgauss 68 points69 points70 points  (3 children)
Asking the important questions
[–]VeritasWay 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
My parents emigrated to this country to give us a better life. They sacrificed so much in order to escape my corrupt country and join in the march towards the American Dream. In my 29 years of being here, I've accomplished so much and been in total debt to this wonderful country. America, you've made me once again very proud to be in your country. I won't take it for granted. Promise.
[–]FunkyFireStarter 67 points68 points69 points  (7 children)
Man, it is a tough week for conservatives... abstinence-only advocate Bristol Palin gets knocked up again out of wedlock, ACA wins in the supreme court, Confederate flags getting pulled down, and now this!
[–]Slimerbacca 1273 points1274 points1275 points  (159 children)
Only someone miserable with their own shitty life would try and deny 2 other people from getting married
[–]GringodelRio 185 points186 points187 points  (24 children)
Didn't someone say they'd set themselves on fire if this happened?
I'm waiting.
[–]WRCousCous 26 points27 points28 points  (3 children)
One of the most interesting sentences to me, and one that holds great logical and philosophical (and clearly legal) weight:
Precedent protects the right of a married couple not to procreate, so the right to marry cannot be conditioned on the capacity or commitment to procreate.
[–]merme 44 points45 points46 points  (1 child)
I'm crying at work right now. I can't process this right now.
I was at the printer when my phone went off with the news.
It looks like I'm crying over fucking color copies.
Fuck, I need to go sit down. My cousin can finally get real-married. She can get health insurance now. Holy shit. This is such a great day
[–]BenAdaephonDelat 12 points13 points14 points  (3 children)
Let's see... My son was born, Fallout 4 announced and releasing, gay marriage legalized.... 2015 will go down as the best year ever.
[–]M00glemuffins 69 points70 points71 points  (8 children)
I just moved out of Utah a few months ago for a few different reasons, the cultural environment being one of them. I am laughing my ass off at all the religious butthurt some people are going to have about this and crying with joy at the same time for LOVE FINALLY WON.
PRIDE weekend here in Minneapolis is going to be off the fucking wall.
[–]Predictor92 16 points17 points18 points  (2 children)
Utah has had legalized gay marriage for some time(their circuit court ruled in favor of gay marriage and the supreme court denied appeal)
[–]NotDwayneJohnson 78 points79 points80 points  (8 children)
Straight guy here.
Staring at the sky at the moment..
Nope, the rapture hasn't happened yet. I'll keep you updated
**Update 1: Saw a bright flash in the sky. Could this be it? Have the trumpets sounded? No. After further inspection a plane taking off from JFK just passed by the sun. Maybe it's passengers are escaping the pending brimstone storm here in NYC? I'll keep you updated.
[–]juliusseizure 10 points11 points12 points  (9 children)
What is the best place to read comments from crazy conservatives? Anyone have a link?
[–]Psst_Think_About_It 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
Hmm, that's odd. The Earth is still spinning. It doesn't make any sense.
[–]TDare2bcool 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
Being a divorce lawyer just got twice as lucrative.
[–]Jackhogan11 100 points101 points102 points  (8 children)
Im just sitting here watching OPs karma rise by the second...
[–]robertx33 36 points37 points38 points  (7 children)
I'm baffled at how fast the comments are coming, i can't read them o_O
[–]Triapod 17 points18 points19 points  (2 children)
YOU HAVE BEEN TOUCHED BY THE GAY GENIE! SEND THIS TO FIVE PEOPLE OR YOU WILL TURN GAY.
My fucking sides. While this is truly a happy day, I do enjoy myself some drama. I'm just waiting for some politicians to say something they can't take back.
Alright this is too entertaining. But the website is so slow
One unintended consequence is that legalized gay marriage does lead to legalized gay divorce.
So when are they going to start making the little plastic figures of a sheep and a guy for wedding cakes? That's gotta be the next step in the Progressive Revolution
Thanks George Bush.
allahu akbar
Jesus will abandon America because of obamacare and the gays!!!
Im glad liberal "humans" think they can affect and regulate love, the climate, the air quality, etc.
God made Adam and Eve - He did not make Adam and Steve.
FLASH FLOOD WARNING....From all the GOP tears
SCOTUS ruling is irrelevant, as it has no constitutional authority to issue it.
Now Donald Trump can marry his scalp!
When I clicked the link to read the ruling I got 504 "Bad Gateway" No truer words have I ever gotten on a computer
I'm already married to my cell phone...
How did the children of Adam and Eve procreate? Did they copulate with their own siblings or with their dad?
The next thing that's gonna happen is women folks and blackies votin'
Does this mean that the Obama's are now legally married?
As a scientific matter, this should lead to a significant decline in gay people over time
Let the civil war begin...
Monsanto GMO foods are working turning people into living freaks
Obama is the gayest president ever
Christianity has been outlawed.
Great decision. Someone can now marry their cat, dog, 2 men, 1 woman, a cow and a bird if they want too because you love them. Justice Kennedy said you could.
Gay people need no longer be prisoners of religious dogma. - I can now marry my dog, ma.
[–]Mradnor 12 points13 points14 points  (3 children)
"You can now marry your 20 wives AND your goat!" is what one of those comments said. This is the hardest I've laughed in years I think.
[–]borno23 355 points356 points357 points  (102 children)
First upholding the Affordable Care Act and now this? They are crushing it lately.
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