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[mégathread] Attentat in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier (near Lyon), FranceMegathread (self.europe)
La France — cocorico !dClauzel[M] が 11時間 前 * 投稿 - stickied post
Merci de publier ici vos avis et liens. On va essayer de garder ce sous-jlailu pas trop pollué 😊
Please put here your rants and links. We will try to keep this subreddit not too polluted 😊
Actuellement, la source d’information la plus fiable et réactive est la presse locale : « Attentat de Daesh à Saint-Quentin-Fallavier : un homme interpellé, un autre activement recherché » (Le Dauphiné)
Currently, the most reliable and reactive news source is the local press: “Attack of Daesh to Saint-Quentin-Fallavier: a man arrested, another actively sought (via Google translate)” (Le Dauphiné)
Twitter : #attentat OR #AirProducts OR #Isère OR #StQuentinFallavier OR #SaintQuentinFallavier OR #Daech — real time reactions
Mégathread on /r/France, Initial thread on /r/France — plenty of info about comments from politics, officials, the situation according to the current laws, etc.
Reddit live thread — for Reddit a real time
[–]BulgariaAgentGotse 229ポイント230ポイント231ポイント 11時間 前 (26子コメント)
The original thread which you removed had an article in English. Now you are linking to some google-translated shit from French. How about adding some proper articles in English?
[–]Polish, working in France, sensitive paladin of boredomProblemY 110ポイント111ポイント112ポイント 5時間 前 (11子コメント)
This mod has a fetish of pushing French language everywhere. Great way to cement the stereotype of a Frenchman seeing nothing else than French interest. Such a shame, because they are great people but on /r/europe they are represented by such frogeater...
[–]jopfr 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 3時間 前 (8子コメント)
Yes, he is fucking annoying!! I am also living in France, but that guy just screams it of the rooftops... He always puts french comment first then he translates it in french. And his caption is "cocorico" <- that is even more annoying!!!! Hey did you know he's french???? Wow !!! Merde putain!
[–]United Kingdombonobo1 [スコア非表示] 55分 前 (0子コメント)
Hey did you know he's french????
To be fair, I must have been confused about this at some point, since I had to tag him.
[–]European Union1m2r3a [スコア非表示] 28分 前* (1子コメント)
I am kind of new to this sub. But I cannot understand why would you would write your comment in two languages, such a waste of time.
[–]CroatiaKeyframe 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (4子コメント)
Why are you hating on Cocoricó?
[–]FranceZenosEbeth 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 2時間 前 (3子コメント)
In france it's a word that is associated with nationalistic tendencies.
[–]CroatiaKeyframe 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 2時間 前 (2子コメント)
TIL
[–]FranceZenosEbeth 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
It's because the french national animal is the gallic rooster , it's kinda like the bald eagle in the US but not nearly as popular.
[–]Denmarkoskaraskov 66ポイント67ポイント68ポイント 11時間 前 (61子コメント)
2015 is without a doubt a sad year for Europe.
[–]Ayy_1mao 64ポイント65ポイント66ポイント 11時間 前 (50子コメント)
This is just the beginning. These attacks will continue and increase in frequency and intensity as more people (including former ISIS members) migrate to Europe and those already living here continue to become more insular and extremist while continuing to reproduce at a far faster rate than anyone else. The days of a relatively quiet and low crime Western Europe are over.
[–]Lahfinger 63ポイント64ポイント65ポイント 9時間 前* (22子コメント)
Crime rates in the EU are slowly but costantly falling and murders in France have fallen to their lowest level ever (less than 1 homicide per 100,000 people, one of the lowest rates in the world), despite an ever increasing number of migrants. Violent crime rates are falling particularly fast in the UK, despite it being the second most popular destination for migrants after Germany in Europe.
These events are those who more often make the headlines, but Europe is becoming everyday safer, not the contrary.
[–]EestiTomKiisk 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 9時間 前 (4子コメント)
Violent crime =/= Islamic terrorist attacks.
[–]European Unioncggreene2 50ポイント51ポイント52ポイント 9時間 前 (1子コメント)
The guy didn't say that, he said
The days of a relatively quiet and low crime Western Europe are over.
But statistics say the opposite.
[–]cute_gorilla 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 6時間 前 (0子コメント)
"Terrorist" attacks are very much part of violent crime. The label doesn't change what they are.
[–]G.P.R.H Glorious People's Republic of Hellasneutrolgreek 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 6時間 前 (6子コメント)
Just to go on about your first sentence which is true.
From 2005 interview with AQ leadership
http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html
The Third Phase This is described as "Arising and Standing Up" and should last from 2007 to 2010. "There will be a focus on Syria," prophesies Hussein, based on what his sources told him. The fighting cadres are supposedly already prepared and some are in Iraq. Attacks on Turkey and -- even more explosive -- in Israel are predicted. Al-Qaida's masterminds hope that attacks on Israel will help the terrorist group become a recognized organization. The author also believes that countries neighboring Iraq, such as Jordan, are also in danger.
The Fourth Phase Between 2010 and 2013, Hussein writes that al-Qaida will aim to bring about the collapse of the hated Arabic governments. The estimate is that "the creeping loss of the regimes' power will lead to a steady growth in strength within al-Qaida." At the same time attacks will be carried out against oil suppliers and the US economy will be targeted using cyber terrorism.
The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.
The Sixth Phase Hussein believes that from 2016 onwards there will a period of "total confrontation." As soon as the caliphate has been declared the "Islamic army" it will instigate the "fight between the believers and the non-believers" which has so often been predicted by Osama bin Laden.
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[–]Lithovore 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6時間 前 (3子コメント)
by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.
Yeah, those guys and their toyotas, stolen, grounded MiGs and awful discipline will totes take over the world, also Israel is weaker than ever /s
[–]Toastlove 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
In their world any existence of a unified purely Islamic state is a new world order and will drastically change geopolitics in the middle east.
[–]United KingdomFrankeh 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
I feel like it's just a matter of time before we seen another big attack. We're overdue.
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[–]Ayy_1mao 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 11時間 前 (6子コメント)
It's becoming ghettoized like much of the United States has become. It's almost as if politicians took a look at the clusterfuck that they and South Africa were dealing with and said "let's bring that here".
[–]PortugalSperrel 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 10時間 前* (0子コメント)
Well if you say so AdolfCromnwell
[–]The NetherlandsGroteStruisvogel 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 11時間 前 (7子コメント)
[–]Denmarkoskaraskov 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 11時間 前 (6子コメント)
If you look around the world it's been going pretty well for the developing countries. They're finally seeing economic growth, and even though it's baby steps, It'll be the begining of something great long term.
[–]Soviet Canuckistanfernguts 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 10時間 前* (4子コメント)
Much of that economic growth has been at the expense of the environment and is not sustainable, and the climate is also changing quite quickly in many of those countries. Add population growth to that, and the long term looks grim.
[–]harpyson11 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 6時間 前 (0子コメント)
Much of that economic growth has been at the expense of the environment and is not sustainable
Yes. Something that all countries do in order to develop.
[–]SpainEryemil 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 8時間 前 (2子コメント)
The population of most of the first and second world is declining or stable...
[–]Soviet Canuckistanfernguts 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
We're talking about the developing world, where populations are still growing rapidly in most countries (albeit at a declining rate). Humanity is sailing in uncharted territory in regard to our relationship with the environment.
[–]SpainEryemil 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 8時間 前* (0子コメント)
Basically only Africa is having high population growth and trying to stop climate change at this point is a waste of time. Our only option is to develop technologically to the point that we can deal with it in the future before it kills us.
[–]The NetherlandsGroteStruisvogel 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
I know, it is going good in the very long term.
If we look at the short term problems, like the mediterrean filled with floating corpses and the horrible war in Syria and Ukraine...not so much.
[–]Latvia, but living in NLro4ers 47ポイント48ポイント49ポイント 11時間 前 (6子コメント)
Reuters story
Sky News story
[–]Romaniadecemvr 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 11時間 前 (5子コメント)
From the Reuters article:
A decapitated head covered in Arabic writing was found at a U.S. gas company in southeast France on Friday,
...
If confirmed as an attack, it would be the second major such incident in France this year
I don't know guys, what do you think? Will it confirm?
[–]shadowbannedFU 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 11時間 前 (2子コメント)
I'm just waiting for /r/conspiracy to call this a false flag.
Edit: any minute now
[–]France & RomaniaTangoJager 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 9時間 前 (1子コメント)
Literally the only comment is about a false flag.
[–]Arstotzkauksoftwaredev 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well you never know, the guy might have accidentally cut his own head off. Accidents do happen! /s
[–]Francefrench-help 72ポイント73ポイント74ポイント 8時間 前* (4子コメント)
Final EDIT (11 pm): WOW the thread is downvoted and a thread was created just to collectively complain about OP. I thought french people were the ones always complaining and doing strikes over nothing :) You are fucking ridiculous. I can't believe I spent time on this comment, when you were complaining just for the sake of it and not looking for constructive and informative comments.
Since people are asking for a live update summary of events, I'll try to do it (But we already have a pretty good reddit live thread I think); (I'm french and will be using what is said in the french media); (Please correct my english if necessary (via PM?) and I'll edit accordingly).
5PM: Seems like people didn't really need an live update comment in the end: only one upvote. (All the criticism against OP were not necessary :) I won't be updating this comment before a while. I may come back later.
4.45 edit: François Hollande gave a speech after the end of his defense meeting.
He talked about the attack in Tunisia (said there is no link between the two events, no coordination), and announced a 3-days high level alert of the vigipirate plan in the Isère region: to make sure every sensitive places are even more protected. The vigipirate plan is on a high level nationally since January.
4:20pm edit: The decapitated victim was the suspect's employer.
Summary of the main facts we know at this hour:
This morning at 9.50, a loud explosion was heard several kilometers around the perimeter of the "Air Products" factory (which bottles gas products) in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier, Isère, near Lyon.
The terrorist assasinated someone - who could have been carried along with him in the car - and beheaded him, before putting the head on the fence of the facility. The head was covered in writings, and one or two black "flag(s)" were risen nearby.
The victim is manager of a nearby good transport society (edit: he was the suspect's employer). He may have been on the site of the factory for a delivery. The car used by the terrorist may have been stolen to the victim, it had athorization to enter the site.
The terrorist did a "rodeo" in the factory car-park, before launching his car at high speed into a rack filled with gas bottles, which created the explosion that injured 2 factory workers. He then tried to open gas bottles to spark a much larger explosion, but was stopped by a voluntary fireman who arrived quickly on the site, and who was lightly injured during the fight.
The suspect was then arrested. He refused to talk at first but then revealed his identity and allegedly claimed he is a member of ISIS.
His name is Yassin(e) Salhi [(e) in parenthesis because there have been different spellings in the medias]. He's a 35 year-old married french man of Moroccan origin, with 3 children, who lives in Saint-Priest, not far from the scene of the attack (20 kms). He didn't have any criminal record but was known by the french intelligence services : he had a "Fiche S" in 2006 because of his profile of religious radicalism (he was close to salafist group(s)). But, in 2008, after 2 years of close surveillance by the DGSE, his "fiche S" was not renewed because no evidence showed any link to terrorism. (Now the media also report on several notes of the DGSE in 2013 and 2014: his profile was again studied because of signs of radicalization, but again nothing substancial was found during the investigations).
The suspect's wife has been arrested at her home and is currently being interrogated. Another person is being interrogated (identity not revealed). Other relatives are being investigated.
We do not know at this hour whether the suspect received any logistic support from accomplices, or if other planned attacks exist.
Other facts:
François Hollande is currently in a defense meeting at the Elysée in Paris [edit: finished now], organizing the coordination with the main ministers and surveillance services (after leaving the Euro group meeting in Brussels). Prime Minister Manuel Valls who is currently in Colombia announced that he's coming back to France. They both gave short speeches quiclky, along with Bernard Cazeneuve, French interior minister, who is on the site, following the investigations.
The black and white "flags" and writings found on the scene are being translated and analysed. edit: the "flags" were not "official" ISIS flags, but pieces of black cloth with added white inscriptions on it.
The "Fiche S" means "Fiche de sureté": for individuals presenting signs of possible dangerosity. (This means they are being actively watched. There are different levels of dangerosity, usually this type of classification means that a team of about 20 to 50 people are devoted to watching the suspect individual. But it's obvioulsy sadly not efficient enough).
The "Air Products" factory is situated in an industrial area classified as "Seveso",ie: sites containing large quantities of dangerous substances.
4.40pm edit: media reported earlier that the suspect didn't go abroad (on suspicious trips in the middle east for instance). But now they say that he actually may have taken several trips abroad.
Today there were also two other attacks : one in Sousse, Tunisia (at least 27 deaths) and one in Koweit (at least 24 deaths).
[–]European Unionacolytee 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 6時間 前 (0子コメント)
Thanks, I hope this gets to the top.
[–]Confoederationis HelveticaeLejeune_Dirichelet 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6時間 前 (0子コメント)
Thank you very much
[–]creepybunchofbananas 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
This should be the sticky.
[–]gallifreyan_pleb 75ポイント76ポイント77ポイント 10時間 前 (1子コメント)
Is OP Jar Jar Binks? This topic deserved a serious title
[–]United KingdomDokky 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 9時間 前 (0子コメント)
BBC is also reporting a suicide bombing/gunman attack on a hotels/beach in Sousse, Tunisia.
[–]FranceMadlibVillainy 51ポイント52ポイント53ポイント 11時間 前 (6子コメント)
The title of this thread was offered to you by K maro, start learning franglais today !
[–]United States of Americaedlolington 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 6時間 前 (1子コメント)
Juste à imaginer combien de temps j'ai perdu pour apprendre le vrai français, j'aurais du lerné du franglais instead :\
[–]TurkeyidontIikecats 145ポイント146ポイント147ポイント 11時間 前 (73子コメント)
Disgusting act. Shit like this has made me not only leave Islam but actively hate it. I am sorry for the victim and his family. Its a sad year for France but I only see the nation coming out stronger.
[–]Croatiabahatost 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
/r/exmuslim
[–]zoumzoumzoum 58ポイント59ポイント60ポイント 11時間 前 (59子コメント)
No the nation is not coming out stronger. This is the new France. We'll have lots of this now because of how many muslims we have. There's a risk on public transportations, on touristy places. The economy will tank.
[–]Francemark_owen 71ポイント72ポイント73ポイント 11時間 前 (41子コメント)
And we're going to be watched 24/7 now thanks to the new surveillance law. One of our politician even tweeted something about how this new terrorist attack justified the new law.
And this was just 10 minutes after the news broke out!
[–]European Unioncellularized 38ポイント39ポイント40ポイント 11時間 前 (32子コメント)
I fear that unfortunately he is right, not just for the French state but for the whole of Europe. If you have a significant part of the population willing to chop their compatriots into pieces for not respecting their religion 24/7 surveillance is necessary. Somehow the claim that's it's just 1% of them isn't really comforting when 1% is still an army of 40.000 men.
[–]En français dans le texteSadeh 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 10時間 前 (16子コメント)
The suspect is known by the police dept, like in a lot of cases. The problem is processing data, not their collection.
As we can see from the US example, gathering everybody's informations does not prevent terrorist attacks.
[–]PolandTom1099 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 10時間 前 (9子コメント)
So we give up our privacy - part of our culture - because of terrorist acts? This means that terrorists win.
[–]EnglandOsgood_Schlatter 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'm not sure that their goal is increased surveillance - the Quran doesn't have much to say on data mining.
[–]botttled_water 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 10時間 前 (5子コメント)
The terrorists win when they succeed in killing. Do you think Al Qaeda is sitting in their HQ thinking 'Ok OK OK seriously guys, heightening racial tensions, destroying key european institutions, they are all great ideas, but what if we make a bunch of 20y/o people on the internet feel like their privacy is under attack? That is when we really win, brothers!'
[–]PolandTom1099 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 10時間 前 (2子コメント)
The terrorists succeed when we start to agree to change our culture because of fear. France is French people' country, not theirs.
[–]Stadigerbaire 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 7時間 前 (1子コメント)
Actually, exactly yes. Terrorism means making people afraid. Changing our countries through fear is their number one goal.
[–]Antioquia, ColombiaFedelede 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
Technically their number one goal is to re-establish the Caliphate.
[–]European Unioncellularized 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
I don't think that the islamists notion of victory is "they give up their privacy".
Of cause you are right with respect to the destruction of the European open society and our perception of what a citizen in a democracy should be but that's all still far from them winning. Obviously I'm not in favour of that but I fear that if we want to accommodate millions of people who actively despise our system something will have to give.
[–]Germanyfirala 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'm sorry to hear that - and I can already hear our right-wing politicians saying the same thing. I hope people will realize giving up personal privacy and freedom is not the solution ...
[–]Bougie bitches wit no extensions, hood niggas wit bad intentionslolmonger 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 10時間 前 (3子コメント)
Take it from me - the thing to do is respond by deliberately not allowing your politicians who failed you on immigration policy be the same people who now tell you all will be solved with just a little more power over you.
The issue is the Islamists, the non-assimilating immigrants, the beheaders.
They are the problem - not the typical French person's ability to live a life without surveillance.
We're busy dismantling our first, second, third, and fourth amendment liberties in the US all under the schema of a few people's abuses becoming a justification for the government to take away the people's inherent freedom. All the while they do little to actually punish those responsible, and address root causes.
Don't let it get crazy like we did post-PATRIOT act.
[–]The United States of AmericaUncleSneakyFingers 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
We're busy dismantling our first, second, third, and fourth amendment liberties in the US
What? Please tell me how the 1st amendment has been dismantled. Or the second (it has if anything been expanded in recent years). And the 3rd amendment says this:
The Third Amendment (Amendment III) to the United States Constitution places restrictions on the quartering of soldiers in private homes without the owner's consent, forbidding the practice in peacetime. The amendment is a response to Quartering Acts passed by the British parliament during the build up to the American Revolutionary War, which had allowed the British Army to lodge soldiers in private residences.
The entire amendment is basically an artifact of the revolutionary war. Haven't heard of anyone being asked to quarter soldiers in their homes.
Your username would more fitting if it said "sensationalistmonger".
[–]VietnamShitfacePhil 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 8時間 前* (4子コメント)
There was an article the other day about the new youngsters of Germany not respecting the history of the holocaust. I asked why Germany are taking in so many people from parts of the world that are less than sympathetic about this issue. I was downvoted for doing so.
It seems people want to ignore the obvious. Religious people (particularly Muslims) have more children on average. We are creating a system where the future growth of our countries will be significantly Muslim.
I know we like to think of ourselves as above discriminating against people based on their religion, but we are heading for catastrophe by refusing to be honest about the future ramifications of such a system.
[–]zoumzoumzoum 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
France is the same. There are repeated occurrences of young people in public schools located in muslim suburbs who refuse to sit through history classes when the holocaust is discussed. Some believe it's a zionist plot. I wish this was a joke.
We also had numerous cases of kids not respecting the moment of silence for the Charlie Hebdo journalists and commenting that "they deserve it, they mocked our prophet".
People do not want to deal with the ugly truth in western Europe. We've had peace, democracy, economic development for several decades now and we think it's forever. We take it for granted.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
[–]British EmpireAkasa 133ポイント134ポイント135ポイント 11時間 前 (4子コメント)
Can we have someone else starting threads if /u/dClauzel is going to create an almost unreadable mess.
[–]PolandMylittleponee 48ポイント49ポイント50ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
I do not know why the mod deleted the original thread http://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3b6b9y/attacker_on_industrial_gas_factory_in_france/
[–]Germanyfirala 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
Apparently you can't sticky link posts or something
[–]Spainmintycan 30ポイント31ポイント32ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
Yeah, the whole fancy double language is cool and stuff but it interferes with readability, even if you speak both English and French.
[–]Wish I was Swiss D:CodenamePingu 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
And his demanor reminds me of this guy
[–]City of LondonTrucidator 146ポイント147ポイント148ポイント 11時間 前 (56子コメント)
Attentat in Saint-Quentin-Fallavier (near Lyon), France
So rather than now writing in English and then translating into French, you are now just writing sentences with random French and English words all mixed up?!
[–]Belgiummyschlongsprettylong 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
So rather than now writing in English and then translating into French
It's pretty obvious he writes in french and (google?) translates to english.
[–]Denmarkoskaraskov 38ポイント39ポイント40ポイント 11時間 前 (16子コメント)
I SAY, WE TIP SOMETHING OVER!
[–]The NetherlandsGroteStruisvogel 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 11時間 前 (10子コメント)
SET CARS ON FIRE LIKE WE ARE IN FRANCE
[–]SwedenTentaclesOfDoom 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 11時間 前 (8子コメント)
YEAH I STABBED A MAN IN THE HEART
[–]Denmarkoskaraskov 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 11時間 前 (5子コメント)
HE POISONED OUR WATER SUPPLY, BURNT OUR CROPS, AND DELIVERED A PLAUGE UNTO OUR HOUSES!
[–]PortugalManlyDrinks 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
I dropped an egg. Unintentionally.
[–]United KingdomHPB 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 8時間 前 (3子コメント)
A PLAUGE
A beach ?
[–]United States of AmericaRyanRomanov 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7時間 前 (2子コメント)
I think that's a plage
[–]United KingdomHPB 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6時間 前 (1子コメント)
OF LOCUSTS !?!?!
[–]United States of AmericaRyanRomanov 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
A plage of locusts might actually be worse than a plague
[–]EestiTomKiisk 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
Did you throw a trident?
[–]United States of AmericaCpsgames 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
Brick killed a guy.
[–]EnglandSpecsaversGaza 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'M BURNING TYRES AS I TYPE!
I should probably open a window...
[–]SwedenCenturyOfTLO 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
French internet imperialism
[–]Portugalschumaga 74ポイント75ポイント76ポイント 11時間 前 (5子コメント)
God some French people are insufferable. Just write in English ffs, this is an international forum. I know you love your language and all (I do too), but leave French for /r/France please.
[–]FranceAddictQq 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 7時間 前 (2子コメント)
Am French. I agree with you.
It's like French people randomly throwing English words in French sentences for no reason except that it looks cool.
[–]kradem 34ポイント35ポイント36ポイント 10時間 前 (1子コメント)
Terroriste! You shall admettre vous only want his tête.
[–]La France — cocorico !dClauzel[S] 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 11時間 前* (22子コメント)
Oui, only for toi. Please prépare you pour mandatory baguettification (1066 best année !)
[–]Not SwedenOisann 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 9時間 前 (2子コメント)
Thats spiriten, I gjør this heletiden. It's veldig annoying å read etterpå.
[–]NorwayTotallynotahost 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 4時間 前 (1子コメント)
Yes, and the julekalender will be very morsom this år.
[–]Not SwedenOisann 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
Jeg bet det will bli just as morsomt as i fjor.
[–]European Unionacolytee 52ポイント53ポイント54ポイント 11時間 前 (15子コメント)
Just change the title to English man, this is just weird.
[–]Norway/USA (best of both worlds)norway_is_awesome 43ポイント44ポイント45ポイント 11時間 前 (14子コメント)
change the title
This is impossible.
[–]FranceLart_est_aileurs 68ポイント69ポイント70ポイント 8時間 前 (8子コメント)
[–]BelgiumDetective_Fallacy 17ポイント18ポイント19ポイント 6時間 前 (2子コメント)
http://i.imgur.com/P8PQA0y.jpg
[–]Norway/USA (best of both worlds)norway_is_awesome 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
Très drôle! And all while listening to the Marsaillaise.
[–]United KingdomUnag1 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 10時間 前 (1子コメント)
C'est impossible!
[–]European Unionacolytee 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
Maybe 'delist and create a new megathread' then, like what was done with the properly titled posts.
[–]Norway/USA (best of both worlds)norway_is_awesome 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
I agree. I also noticed that the OP is a mod, so it's extra funny.
[–]European Unionfforw 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
You kann take dies mongrel-zunge from mein dead Hände!
[–]TheGreatHooD 27ポイント28ポイント29ポイント 11時間 前 (57子コメント)
Seriously, what do they think they gain by doing this nonsense? Do they want to get hated more and more?
[–]Fake countryAleixASV 50ポイント51ポイント52ポイント 11時間 前 (9子コメント)
Probably yes, radicalism just breeds more radicalism, which ultimately helps their "cause", converting moderate muslims into radicals
[–]United KingdomPalacePete 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAqIFtlH_hA
[–]Isle of Manelsparx 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 10時間 前 (7子コメント)
Take a look at the worldnews thread. Thousands of 'lel dae religion of peace?' comments from the xenophobic and racist elements on this site. It's exactly what the extremists want, provoke these dickheads so they lash out at all muslims which will marginalise and radicalise young Muslims who will perpetuate the cycle.
[–]TurkeyidontIikecats 40ポイント41ポイント42ポイント 11時間 前 (11子コメント)
Yes and yes. Insisting hatred is very much their goal as Europe becomes more and more polarized. Fucking idiots.
[–]TheGreatHooD 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 11時間 前 (10子コメント)
And what do they gain?
Like hate is gonna make us think like, oh maybe these muslims aren't so bad at all? I cannot find any logic in this.
[–]DenmarkFlakarmor 31ポイント32ポイント33ポイント 10時間 前 (3子コメント)
It's the opposite. They want us to hate the muslims. They want us to segregate them. Make them identify as muslims first and nationals never.
Then they'll have no common roots but Islam and the Middle East. It's easy to recruit among the oppressed and marginalized.
[–]North Rhine-Westphaliakrutopatkin 24ポイント25ポイント26ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
They want to create hate in the majority to isolate young muslims, in turn radicalizing them.
[–]FranceKimi712_ 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 11時間 前 (2子コメント)
That's not the goal. They want to scare us and remind us they have power over our lives everywhere even within Europe. They're betting we're going to do nothing which is what we've been doing and what we'll probably continue doing.
[–]Englandsyuk 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
Meanwhile more pour in, more SA money feeds the extremist Imams in our cities, schools and universities.
What can be done? Apparently todays idiot was under surveillance by the counter terrorists.
We will see internecine attacks between muslims next that go beyond graffiti, more cars driven into crowds.
Peoples opinion of Muslims in general will worsen even further and heat up the pot.
[–]FinlandSpeedhoven 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
Logic has never been their selling point. When it comes to radical muslims, their whole agenda pretty much reads "kill all infidels".
[–]United Kingdomgamas 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
You're an international organisation wanting to get more recruits to fight a perceived enemy, how do you convince the people you want to recruit that your enemy is their enemy, by turning your enemy against your potential recruits.
They want Islam to be hated, because then the West will turn against Muslims, which will in turn encourage Muslims to turn towards them.
[–]City of LondonTrucidator 26ポイント27ポイント28ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
Do they want to get hated more and more?
The people that do these attacks obviously do want more division.
[–]Krakkan 12ポイント13ポイント14ポイント 11時間 前 (5子コメント)
They want to start a race war and create retaliation from government/white extremists, the idea that un-radicalised Muslims will then be forced to defend them self’s from Government/white extremists and you can create a full on war with the full support of "Your people".
[–]tubeyouer 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8時間 前 (4子コメント)
Why would they want to start a race war that they couldn't possibly win? Do they think the leftists politicians would stand up and fight a long side that or that white Frenchmen would open fire on other whites to defend some Algerians?
[–]Krakkan 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8時間 前 (2子コメント)
Why would they want to start a race war that they couldn't possibly win?
I never said it was a good idea.
Do they think the leftists politicians would stand up and fight a long side that or that white Frenchmen would open fire on other whites to defend some Algerians?
I am talking about a race war between Muslims and non-Muslims, why would french people be killing other french people?
[–]Franceclee-saan 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
How could they lose with god on their side?
[–]AnarchyObeyStatusQuo 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
Check the top comments in 2 hours. The sentiments expressed in them is exactly what they want.
[–]Swabiagenitaliban 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
So, to get rid of dClauzel?
[–]European Unionnwankwukanu 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 11時間 前 (7子コメント)
Well yes, look how giddy /r/worldnews is for a race war. Attacks like this make life a lot worse for moderate muslims which makes them more vulnerable for radicalization
[–]European UnionObliviuns 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
So what? There's a problem that must be addressed and blaming the victims only make it worse.
I agree that moderate muslims are going to suffer. Anyway scratch the "moderate" part something must be done to protect the muslims that lead secular lives and are actively trying to integrate like the muslim policeman that was killed during the Charlie Hebdo incident I agree, but the rest must be either submit to the european way of life or just be expelled. They have to choose a side. Either ditch their cultural background and become european secular muslims like the turks or go back to where they can live accordingly to their beliefs.
If this problem continues to be suppressed by the politically correct crows things will blow up and the REAL nazis will show up.
[–]SpainEryemil 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 10時間 前 (4子コメント)
Who the fuck cares about "moderate Muslims"? What about the fucking victims? The innocent people being slaughtered like animals in the streets of a civilised, developed nation?
[–]European Unionnwankwukanu 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
The question was what are the possible goals of such acts, not who cares about what.
[–]Turtle_78 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
Who the fuck cares about "moderate Muslims"? What about the fucking victims?
Why not both?
[–]johnlocke95 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
They want to scare the West into submission.
[–]Tifpol 36ポイント37ポイント38ポイント 10時間 前 (22子コメント)
This has got to be the first time I've seen bashful emojis used beside a headline of a man who was murdered and beheaded. Not in very good taste. Also the French + English for every post? It's an international English forum, not Canadian parliament.
[–]GeorgiaSamterdiaMan 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 11時間 前 (6子コメント)
France is having a rough time lately :/
[–]shadowbannedFU 46ポイント47ポイント48ポイント 11時間 前 (27子コメント)
WHY THE FUCK HAVE ALL OTHER THREADS BEEN DELETED?
[–]Denmarkoskaraskov 33ポイント34ポイント35ポイント 11時間 前 (6子コメント)
Because the moderators don't want to /r/Europe frontpage flooded with articles in all the different europeans languages about this horrible incident. There should be space for other news.
[–]shadowbannedFU 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 11時間 前 (5子コメント)
Well, then delist all the subsequent threads and let the one with the most upvotes stay.
[–]Not SloveniaLolkac 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 11時間 前 (2子コメント)
I think this is better because it can be updated.
[–]Francehappy_otter 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 10時間 前 (1子コメント)
Definitely better, but it takes a lot of work. Let's see if /u/dClauzel is up to the task.
[–]Romaniaunsilviu 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
Apparently, he really isn't.
[–]Denmarkoskaraskov 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
Wouldn't that just cause a very one-wayed narrative?
[–]sachalamp[🍰] 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
http://imgur.com/pLKSWof
Because according to mods, "Best answer for terrorism is indifference".
http://np.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3b6fgi/m%C3%A9gathread_attentat_in_saintquentinfallavier_near/csjaeyj
You heard it here first, folks.
[–]European Unionodiroot 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
Why is this thread still pinned? It's a terrible dump.
[–]Belgiummyschlongsprettylong 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 10時間 前 (1子コメント)
Français uber alles.
[–]FranceKimi712_ 54ポイント55ポイント56ポイント 11時間 前 (93子コメント)
Marine Le Pen:
"Les grandes déclarations doivent maintenant cesser. Les marches, les slogans et la communication émotionnelle doivent enfin laisser la place à l'action. Rien n'a été fait depuis des années contre le fondamentalisme islamiste", affirme la présidente du FN.
My translation:
Big declarations now have to stop. Marches, slogans and emotional messages need to finally produce action. Nothing has been done in the past years to combat Islamic extremism.
Couldn't have said it better myself. This country has done nothing to solve this problem because we can barely admit there is a problem without being called racists, Nazis and far-right militants. There is a big big big problem and I don't even know how it can be solved anymore. This isn't just about the casual monthly terrorist attack, there is also the everyday attack on public society by the "youth"; harassment, sexual assault, attack on personal freedoms, violent crime and most importantly a deep attack on and disdain of national values. A few days ago I commented that I escaped extremism and terrorism and came here but wondered whether it'd still be safe for my children one day; this hits way way too close to home.
[–]Krousti 47ポイント48ポイント49ポイント 11時間 前 (70子コメント)
But marine lepen doesnt bring any solution either
[–]France8rax 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 9時間 前 (3子コメント)
That's marine bread and butter. Criticize absolutely everything while remaining vague on the potential solutions.
[–]Francemark_owen 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
And denouncing "the system" which they're a part of, too.
[–]SlovakiaMaslo59 39ポイント40ポイント41ポイント 10時間 前 (44子コメント)
Stopping muslim immigration is part of a solution. Its wont solve the problem, but it will stop it from growing worse, which is the first priority.
[–]Empire of PolandSithrak 21ポイント22ポイント23ポイント 10時間 前 (18子コメント)
France has millions of Muslims already, stopping immigration will do fuck all.
[–]SlovakiaMaslo59 28ポイント29ポイント30ポイント 10時間 前 (15子コメント)
Its certainly better than doing nothing.
[–]near Germanyboq 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 10時間 前 (11子コメント)
Hardly. This is all homegrown. It doesn't happen in places like 99% Muslim Turkey.
[–]United KingdomBdcoll 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 9時間 前 (2子コメント)
It just happens in next door Syria instead...
[–]near Germanyboq 10ポイント11ポイント12ポイント 9時間 前 (1子コメント)
Should it surprise us that a country which an unrelenting dictator lead into a brutal civil war is now experiencing said war? Or are you suggesting the Turks have all gone to Syria?
[–]SlovakiaMaslo59 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 9時間 前 (5子コメント)
Because Turkey is so homogenous, there is little non-muslims to fight against. Also Turkey is probably the most secularised muslim nation in the world. But French muslims do not come from Turkey, do they. They (or their parents) come from north Africa, which is a cesspool of extremism. So you may as well get used to these attacks, it wont be the last at all.
[–]near Germanyboq 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 9時間 前 (0子コメント)
By your reasoning, Daesh shouldn't operate at all since basically everyone in Syria and Iraq is Muslim. Evidently, that is not the case. Turkey or Bosnia or Israel or Tunisia or Malaysia or many other countries with many Muslims don't suffer from such attacks even though fundamentalists would most definitely consider their habits to be sinful. If it was something about North Africa, places like Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt or Algeria should be under constant attack from terrorists. While they suffer from attacks as well, the rate is nowhere near as high as it should be when we follow your explanation.
Additionally, while we should, of course, wait and see, I'm betting the perpetrator is again someone born and raised in France. First-generation immigrants are not known to commit such acts. There is something about France and a few other places in Europe that breeds this behaviour, and if we're really serious about combating the problem, this is what we'd look for.
[–]FranceLorikcana 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 9時間 前 (2子コメント)
North Africa isnt that extremist. Less extremist than middle east or Pakistan for example. Tunisia is probably the most secular Arab country. Algeria is a bit more conservative but its not Saudi Arabia or Qatar.
[–]SlovakiaMaslo59 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 9時間 前* (1子コメント)
Tunisia is probably the most secular Arab country.
well, about that..
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/13/tunisia-breeding-ground-islamic-state-fighters
Breaking news: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/26/africa/tunisia-terror-attack/index.html
[–]FranceLorikcana 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 9時間 前 (0子コメント)
From your article
Though Tunisia is in many senses the most advanced and secular of Arab states – and the only country to have come through the revolutions of 2011 relatively unscathed – that is only half the story.
Since Arab spring there have been new problems ofcourse, but in general North Africa is more secular than other arab regions.
[–]werdya 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 10時間 前 (1子コメント)
So you are suggesting a different immigration law for a person depending on their religion? Just asking.
Or specifically reducing immigration from Islamic countries?
[–]SlovakiaMaslo59 19ポイント20ポイント21ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
This.
[–]FranceLart_est_aileurs 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
Yes, it could have been said better. By exemple she could have said which actions were to be taken, but she choose to stay ellusive as always.
[–]Empire of PolandSithrak 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
Seems to me French establishment is great at hiding its head in the sand. See concentrating Muslims in suburban ghettos and shit like in Calais.
Marine LePen can go to hell, though. She has no solutions, everyone can say that and many did.
[–]Anewlifestart 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
Hell, we even feed those extremist in Syria right now... Our bullshit minister L. Fabius even dare to say they do a good job there
[–]ProblematicReality 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 11時間 前 (16子コメント)
Just testing the waters here, but i wonder if you can get banned from expressing these "Problematic" and "bigoted" views in this sub? I've been hearing somethings.
[–]FranceKimi712_ 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
I never said anything bigoted. I've stated multiple times that I am originally from Egypt. Any blind bigotry I advocate would inevitably come bite me in the ass. I'd have a field day with whichever mod called me "bigoted."
[–]ProblematicReality 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
Fair enough.
[–]IcelandVondi 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 10時間 前 (2子コメント)
Unless you're found to be part of a brigade from a racist sub, I doubt it.
[–]Greek AustralianEdwardFordTheSecond 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 10時間 前 (0子コメント)
I've had posts deleted before but no hard bans
[–]Polandczokletmuss 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
WTF this post is in French?
[–]EarthFantaToTheKnees [スコア非表示] 1時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is why we think Frenchmen are chauvenist
[–]Venezuelaasdrubalivan 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
My solidarity with France. This has been a tough year for them.
[–]ABCDE_FC_2 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
Awful. Rest in peace.
[+][削除されました] 11時間 前* (16子コメント)
http://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3b6b9y/attacker_on_industrial_gas_factory_in_france/
I don't understand why the mods didn't just sticky that one.
[–]CarmenHarveySting 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
Link posts can't be stickied, only self posts can. None of the other threads were self posts, and therefore none of them could be stickied.
[–]Denmarkbbuullll33rr 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 11時間 前 (11子コメント)
Ahh yes, /r/european. Where a picture of a diverse class can infuriate people... And then people come with these nice comments.
"I love how old the diversity looks compared to the white kids. How often did they have to repeat a grade, you think?" "Muds mature faster than whites. Law of the jungle"
"I love how old the diversity looks compared to the white kids. How often did they have to repeat a grade, you think?"
"Muds mature faster than whites. Law of the jungle"
[–]fodtp 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 9時間 前* (1子コメント)
There are still white people in the photo that infuriates people like you. * Edit.
[–]Lower SilesiaTedKacz 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'd be mad too, that photo isn't anywhere near european it was obviously posted on a wrong subreddit.
[–]ProblematicReality 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 10時間 前 (5子コメント)
That is why he was asking for the original thread, because he does not wish to visit that place if possible i believe.
[–]SerbiaPenstubal 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 10時間 前 (2子コメント)
Don't the terrorists know they only make more people hate their religion?
[–]Francesdrav 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's what they want.
If you put yourself in an islamist's shoes your biggest problem is not the non-muslims but the muslim moderates who live happily in Europe. They make them look like shit.
By making everyone hate Islam they poison the well, suddenly the european muslims don't live so happily and get shit on by everyone and who they turn to? Mr.Islamist himself.
[–]Mojomaniac666 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 9時間 前 (0子コメント)
They don't care. Islam commands them to put terror in the hearts of unbelievers.
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip." Koran 8:12
[–]fodtp 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
Aux armes citoyens.
[–]utensil4 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11時間 前* (15子コメント)
Here is the original thread which has been censored out by mods:
EDIT: The mod just confirmed that is was purposeful censorship:
Yep. This is why we did setup a megathread: /r/Europe is hence not giving the appearance of being obnubilated. The best answer to terrorism is indifference.
http://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3b6fgi/m%C3%A9gathread_attentat_in_saintquentinfallavier_near/csjaeyj
AND in response to why other threads were deleted:
Censure or visible islamophobia. One has to choose.
http://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/3b6fgi/m%C3%A9gathread_attentat_in_saintquentinfallavier_near/csjawhn
[–]United KingdomFrankeh 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 10時間 前 (5子コメント)
How was deleting that thread censorship? They created this megathread in its place.
[–]Banatrasmod 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 10時間 前 (8子コメント)
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word 'censorship'. I agree that maybe it wasn't the best course of action but how does making a sticky megathread make us not able to discuss this topic?
[–]HumAnKapital291 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11時間 前 (50子コメント)
Honest question: What is wrong with French society, that you have so many terrorists? Obviously muslims in other countries are even less likely to become terrorists than French muslims. I seriously ask, what's wrong with France, that drives so many of you to become terrorists?
[–]En français dans le texteSadeh 20ポイント21ポイント22ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
France is actively fighting islamic terrorism in Africa plus has the biggest muslim community in europe. If terrorism is more popular among french muslims than anywhere it's because France is directly targeted by ISIS and such.
Blaming the french society for something that is a direct product of propaganda from terrorist networks is wrong.
[–]City of LondonTrucidator 14ポイント15ポイント16ポイント 11時間 前 (4子コメント)
Actually I don't think that there is really a significant statistical difference between France and the UK in this regard.
[–]Germanyw1ntrmute 29ポイント30ポイント31ポイント 11時間 前 (18子コメント)
There is nothing wrong with the French society per se, it's just that high youth unemployment and poverty are the ideal breeding ground for extreme ideologies of any fashion.
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[–]Germanyw1ntrmute 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's actually true and there are even studies in this subject.
[–]ButtersStotch88 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 7時間 前 (13子コメント)
I hate to tell you this, but most homegrown terrorists come from middle class backgrounds, not poverty.
The "poverty" excuse is always the first thing people throw out when trying to get around the real issue..which is the massively intolerant religion of Islam itself.
Hopefully one day Europe's politicians will admit that placating a very intolerant minority has bitten them in the ass. I don't see things getting better anytime soon, though.
[–]HumAnKapital291 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
This is also, what I think on first impression. Then again, other comments and news make me wonder, if in fact there may be more than just economic reasons.
[–]The Netherlandsiniquest 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 11時間 前 (0子コメント)
What makes you think that France has so many terrorist?
There have been 2 attacks this year, but the number of attacks is not the same as the number of terrorists.
[–]Francesdrav 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 9時間 前 (2子コメント)
The way I see it we are pretty active against islamism in the world, makes us a target.
[–]HumAnKapital291 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 7時間 前 (1子コメント)
That doesn't explain, why they're all born and raised in France, visited French schools and lived their whole lives in France. Then become radicalized, and kill other French people. Also other countries are just as active as France and still don't have as many killings as France. I think the "war on terror" is just instrumented by islamic propaghandists, to justify their own atrocities. It certainly plays a role within their ideology, but it doesn't explain, why one falls for this ideology.
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[–]AnarchyObeyStatusQuo 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 11時間 前 (2子コメント)
I think the question was what is it about the French society that makes its Muslims more prone to radicalization.
[–]HumAnKapital291 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 11時間 前 (1子コメント)
Yes, I do think so. I consider any sort of terrorism and extremism a result of a variety of reasons. There are clearly failures in the muslim community, I didn't deny that. But there is certainly somthing else that's wrong. A lack of prospects for immigrants, for instance, might be a second reason, that drives people into terrorism.
/no sarcasm
[–]SwitzerlandGTTC 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 9時間 前* (1子コメント)
The other comments are missing important things.
France has had a troubling past with its treatment to muslims, there have always been incidents, riots, tensions etc. This has a huge role in the radicalization of the youth, mainly muslims second generation.
I guess you're german from your username? Here is one of the best articles I've ever read , it's about the "Banlieue" in Paris and muslims in France, easily applicable to muslims in any big city in France (Marseille, Lyon etc.)
Read at least the paragraph "Ethnisierung und Selbstethnisierung", it goes into the development of radical islamic organisations and why the muslim youth joined/joins them.
Die zahllosen Enttäuschungen der Immigrantenjugend [...] und die zunehmende Auseinanderentwicklung der Lebensbedigungen haben zu einer gewissen Aufnahmebereitschaft für kulturalistisch-differenzialistische Strömungen geführt. Das gilt etwa für islamistische Organisationen oder Kleingruppen, die einen gewissen Zulauf erfahren, weil manche Jugendlichen glauben, es könne nur noch "Solidarität unter den eigenen Leuten, also unter Moslems" geben, während man von der französischen Gesellschaft nicht mehr viel zu erwarten habe.
For the non-german speaking people here, the article basically concludes that the radicalization has more to do with political and economical reasons (ghettoization, racism, foreign politics, hopelessness etc.) than idelogical ones (being muslim, islam etc.)
It's not an excuse by any means, but we have to understand why terrible things like this happen, otherwise we will never be able to stop them.
[–]En français dans le texteSadeh 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah, banlieues are a little better now but it's still a nest for crimes and radicalization. Who would've tought piling up immigrants and lower-class people together in shitty buildings would be problematic. I recommend La Haine, a french movie about the youth in a banlieue.
You combined that with a shitty prison network by western standards and you can see how someone can easily be swallowed into islamic ideology.
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