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[–]Otiac[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

A reminder that memes and image macros are not approved submissions for the subreddit.

[–]PM_ME_UR_CATECHISM 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Really? I've seen them here lots of times, and never heard anything like this in their comments.

[–]Otiac[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you've seen them, either I haven't been around to remove them or they were removed shortly after. I'm leaving this one up (at the discretion of the other mods) because of the SCOTUS decision today/it being free Friday though I would remove it on any other Friday, but am reminding those that commented that memes and image macros are not approved submissions for the sub.

[–]hogiewan 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mine is still tight, but thanks I guess

[–]TheTomatoThief 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are statins for that.

[–]StephenNesbit[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I get for trusting auto-fill on my phone. Snrk.

[–]you_know_what_you 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh. This was never about the sacraments, but it's OK if people want to take comfort in this.

[–]TheReaver88 3ポイント4ポイント  (24子コメント)

Which is exactly why I don't understand the Church's interest in this entire issue. Our sacrament has not (and cannot be) changed by the ruling of 9 people in robes.

[–]orthodoxicality 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Read this.

[–]TheReaver88 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

That entire argument reduces to promoting a society in which all citizens should be compelled to be practicing Catholics (on the basis that it promotes the "common good"). No thank you.

[–]alphawhale12 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

How dare we promote the common good!

[–]TheReaver88 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, my whole point was that if you hold that there exists an objective truth that is only completely accessible through the RCC, and that the common good is achieved by transforming the law according to this truth, then the only satisfactory end game is a Catholic Monarchy.

[–]Colts56 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Without sounding crazy (probably still will), yes that would be the ideal end goal for Catholics.

What people need to understand though is that it is not through power that we want this or control. We honestly believe practicing the Catholic faith is how you get to heaven and how everyone should be living. Its out of love that we want everyone to get to heaven and turn away from sin. This is lost on more and more people because they see things like gay marriage as a good thing, which I can see where they come from, but to us it is not right. So then their view of Catholics is that we just want to control how people act and what they do. We are really worried about what is happening to these people's lives and that they are going down the path of sin, not salvation. This was a main message of Jesus and we are trying to follow in the Apostles footsteps by spreading the Good News.

[–]Stari_tradicionalist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hear, hear. Our brother is speaking truth.

[–]xSaRgED 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

We recognize that our Sacrament cannot change. However, we are charged to spread the Truth of the Gospel message as well. By standing by and not fighting the spread of corruption, we are failing in our mission. Hence why every Sunday we ask forgiveness for "what I have failed to do."

[–]TheReaver88 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I do not believe that for the state to recognize that two people are in agreement on a contract that I am allowing for corruption. In fact, quite the opposite.

[–]Pax_et_Bonum 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

If marriage is just a contract, why call it marriage? Call it what it is, a contract.

Furthermore, realized that in Catholic teaching, marriage is MUCH more than just a contract. I refer you to the CDF on this matter: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

[–]TheReaver88 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If marriage is just a contract, why call it marriage? Call it what it is, a contract.

I'm all for that. Non-religious "marriages" should legally be labeled "civil unions."

Marriage is much more than a contract in our Church, to be sure. I think U.S. "marriage" laws are beyond the point at which we can even say they are related to what we know to be sacramental matrimony.

[–]blackrat47 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it possible for Protestants to get married? Is it possible for Hindus to get married? Is it possible for Buddhists to get married? Did any pre-Christian civilisations practice marriage? If the answer to any (or indeed all) of those is 'yes', then you surely accept that the RCC doesn't have a monopoly on the word marriage. Sure, it has its own definition of it, and that's fine. You, and all other catholics, are more than welcome to stick to the catholic definition of marriage. But non-catholics have been getting married for thousands of years, and will continue to do so for thousands more.

You are absolutely welcome to maintain that people not married in a catholic way are not married in the eyes of the RCC. And that homosexual people will never be married in the eyes of the RCC. And that's fine too! And it has literally nothing to do with today's ruling.

[–]eliminate1337 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the eyes of the government, marriage is essentially a contract.

[–]Chrisspy704 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The state in its nature is corrupt after a phase of growth. Letting this happen lessens the grip of the state, while homosexuals who usually marry in the dark will do this in the open. It'll be easier to identify which congregations host the marriage celebrations, and therefore spread the gospel to the right people. Instead of waiting for a big mower to cut the blades of weed, we get to finally see the roots. One side of corruption is weakened, while the other is fully exposed.

[–]pax_christi 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

The Church makes a distinction between natural marriage and sacramental marriage. Natural marriage, though it's not a sacrament, should be protected in order to preserve the fundamental unit of society, the family. Thus when we oppose legalized same-sex marriage, it's not imposing our religious beliefs on society, it's rather protecting the common good. It's less akin to passing a law that requires everyone to pray the Rosary and more akin to Catholic opposition to legalized capital punishment, abortion, euthanasia, etc.

[–]TheReaver88 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's less akin to passing a law that requires everyone to pray the Rosary and more akin to Catholic opposition to legalized capital punishment, abortion, euthanasia, etc.

But there are clear victims in those cases, at least with the first two. There are voices being silenced by cap punishment and abortion. This is not the case with SSM.

[–]pax_christi 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Pope Francis has argued that children have a right to their mother and father and so it seems that SSM would violate children's rights by normalizing a family situation where either the child's mother or father is absent.

[–]TheReaver88 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

As opposed to them not getting adopted? I thought that argument was strange when I first heard it, and I still do.

[–]pax_christi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a good point. However, if we assume that it's better to have children adopted into a less-than-ideal family situation than for them to not be adopted at all, does that apply to every less-than-ideal family situation? How about 3 polyamorous dads adopting a kid?

[–]lisaslover 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pope Francis could be wrong.

[–]CCR2013 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

excuse my ignorance, but how is opposing legalized same-sex marriage preserving the fundamental unit of society?

[–]PM_ME_UR_CATECHISM -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Catholic Church teaches that it is a grave responsibility of both citizens and legislators to mold the law of the land to accord with the moral law. This ruling is a failing that will effect society as a whole, both in the short term and longer term.

[–]lisaslover 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are you basin that on? Gay people have been around from the beginning, they have raised families too. Are you saying that because they are actually going to be afforded a basic human right that society is now in peril?

[–]Chemaster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah don't "loose" it

[–]123-45-6789 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It has changed for good!

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    [–]kensal78 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What a justice system or a country / state chooses to have as it's laws shouldn't affect your faith or practice of it. Legal gay marriage doesn't affect my faith or anyone elses.

    [–]Otiac 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There are lots of things that people do together that don't affect anyone outside them, yet, is still in the public interest to promote/affect on the social level. Your argument is disingenuous and not a good representation of how a democracy works.

    [–]PM_ME_UR_CATECHISM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The Catholic Church teaches that it is a grave responsibility of both citizens and legislators to mold the law of the land to accord with the moral law. This ruling is a failing that will have negative effects on society as a whole. Even if you don't think it will effect you, it will effect you and all of us, for generations, if it is allowed to continue.

    [–]xSaRgED -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Agh, you beat me to it.

    [–]eating_nachos -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Lose.