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CENSORSHIP[Censorship] Apple Removes All American Civil War Games From the App Store "...because it includes images of the confederate flag used in offensive and mean-spirited ways." (toucharcade.com)

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[–]ashlaaaaay 1856ポイント1857ポイント  (161子コメント)

If Apple's serious about social justice, they should focus on making sure their factory workers have good working conditions and pay, not use conflict minerals in their products, and pay their taxes.

[–]DeadGamerWalking 648ポイント649ポイント  (60子コメント)

nah,they rather indoctrinate hippies with pandering like this rather than doing actual change.

[–]Madlutian 74ポイント75ポイント  (4子コメント)

Isn't Apple's motto, "Pander, don't fix"? Or am I just mistaking their motto for their actions?

[–]asorel 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Their motto is "think different." Probably the least subtle way of attracting hipsters, short of "buy this if you own thick-rimmed glasses."

[–]barmbi 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everyone can be different if we all use the same computer.

[–]Solace1 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Do you think we truly care about worker's right ? Think different"

[–]ShouldBe_Working 74ポイント75ポイント  (19子コメント)

DO NOT VOTE ON /u/IBATHEINMALETEARS Its a troll account forsure.

Ignoring is your best weapon to fight these people.

[–]Xenoprimate 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Poe's Law is strong in that one.

[–]ShouldBe_Working 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even if this person is sincere,

Ignoring them is still the best option.

[–]hastensang 61ポイント62ポイント  (9子コメント)

Except he is highly upvoted in several SRS subs, doubt he is trolling.

[–]ShouldBe_Working 46ポイント47ポイント  (7子コメント)

The account is 4 days old spewing shit in places they know it will get downvoted to hell. Not worth writting these words or yours over.

[–]Doyle524 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Honestly though, when I first browsed SRS comments, I felt the need to make my conflicting opinion heard...

[–]ShouldBe_Working 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's called Anger,

Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering :)

[–]Anathema_Redditus 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

It also leads to the Dark Side, since we're obviously the Sith here.

[–]Jolcas 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey, the Dark Side has lightning hands and I want my goddamn lightning hands.

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      [–]KentWayne 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Confirmed troll. Back to grade school after summer.

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        [–]TorchicBlaziken 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No indoctrination, just pandering.

        [–]OneOfDozens 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Who do you really think is supporting something this stupid?

        I've yet to see one comment anywhere saying great job apple.

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          [–]pyfrag 78ポイント79ポイント  (1子コメント)

          But those things cost money. Felating the censorship cock is free and, it like, feels good man.

          [–]downcastbass 49ポイント50ポイント  (2子コメント)

          They arent serious about social justice. They're serious about making sure they aren't the TARGET of social justice....

          [–]vonxeon 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

          But that would require SJWs to pay attention to actual problems throughout the world instead of focusing on 'far more important issues' such as safe spaces, trigger warnings, pronoun policing, and microaggressions.

          [–]fistfulloframen 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Apple's serious as a heart attack.....about making money.

          [–]BurnerNumber3 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Why do things like actually care about those third world factory workers when you can get an indulgence for your sins by appeasing the SJW crowd?

          Why do things like not sell to countries that still have laws allowing you to stone gay people when you can freak out about some relatively minor law in a midwestern state somewhere?

          It goes on and on.

          [–]richmomz 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

          It's way cheaper pandering to hipster sensitivities, though.

          [–]GirlbeardJ 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

          But...but...muh profits!

          [–]SonOfJokeExplainer 39ポイント40ポイント  (52子コメント)

          Apple has done a lot to improve working conditions for factory workers. They can't easily fix a foreign culture, however. They're also very transparent about their efforts to improve working conditions as well as their efforts to reduce their reliance on conflict minerals. As for paying their taxes, are you suggesting that Apple pay more taxes than they owe by law?

          FWIW, I think removing anything containing the confederate flag from the App Store is moronic.

          [–]MrFatalistic 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm pretty sure I've heard more than once that Apple engages in some pretty extensive tax dodges, not that many other companies don't, but for "feel good squeekly clean" Apple it seems pretty slimy.

          this is just a first result google search:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/apple-tax-evasion/

          [–]dannyr_wwe 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Not just a culture, they can't modify another country's economy all alone. They already have so many people working in those factories. I'm not an economist, but I can't imagine it would work out well if they started paying those people 2x or 3x more. They are paying a competitive wage for where they are being made or they wouldn't be in production right now.

          [–]kerosene_pickle 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Is that a joke? How about manufacture them in America or someplace else where labor laws exist and are enforced.

          [–]cliffski 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

          apple deliberately go to insane lengths to pay virtually no corporation tax. if you think that's ethical behavior i'm glad I don't know you.

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            [–]malvekiar 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Let 'em know, go to http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunes.html and Request an Application. Tell Apple just how ridiculous this is.

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              [–]AlseidesDD 305ポイント306ポイント  (58子コメント)

              By what metric does Apple use to determine that product used the flag 'offensive and mean-spirited ways'? Is this another baby-talk for 'hate speech?

              Right, because denying acknowledgement of an important, if controversial, part of history by banning any media that contains it will amend the atrocities committed. Revisionism at its finest.

              [–]matthewhaleSurvived #GGinDC 2015 269ポイント270ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Apple doesn't use metric, they are an American company therefore use Imperial.

              [–]seifd 52ポイント53ポイント  (16子コメント)

              Kind of reminds me how in Germany you can't have games with a swastika, even if they take place during WWII and would be historically accurate.

              [–]akatherder 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

              http://imgur.com/Oh255cM.jpg

              [–]krymz1n 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

              Do you think that's good or bad?

              [–]seifd 66ポイント67ポイント  (3子コメント)

              I'd say bad. A developer ought to be able to show nazis using the symbol of their party. Even family friendly shows like The Sound of Music allow that.

              [–]krymz1n 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I totally agree

              [–]F54280 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Well, you are probably not German. I can totally understand that they don't want to let anything that can be constructed as Nazi propaganda near children/young population.

              For them, Nazism isn't some concept. It their unfortunately history, so I fell hard to judge how they should react.

              Had the same discussion about 9/11. IMO, US should have rebuild the exact same towers as a big fuck you, but it is easy to say, and I can totally understand that for people that actually lost relative, erasure of the event isn't the brightest idea.

              I think it isn't revisionism, it is sensitivity to one's own culture.

              [–]TwoScoopsofDestroyer 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Are you actually asking if historical revisionism is good or bad?

              Because it's bad mmkay.

              [–]Iconochasm 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

              It's terrible. It's why we can never have a Hitler leader in Civ. Ideally, one with the opposite of the Gandhi bug, making him gun hardcore for cultural victories.

              [–]LamaofTrauma 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That...would be freaking hilarious.

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                  [–]Homer00025 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's tried and true

                  let's make sure we're covering our asses and don't end up in a CNN segment on a slow news day over this

                  So the middle management / PR arm tells the different branches to get rid of anything "problematic" with X on it and in the end some intern or app store manager interprets and decides what to remove.

                  [–]E437BF7BD1361B58 71ポイント72ポイント  (31子コメント)

                  I am in favor of removing the Confederate flag from government buildings and symbols because the The Confederate States were a collection of political entities that rebelled against the legitimate government of the United States. They fought that war, lost, and were brought back into the fold. They shouldn't be allowed to keep, even symbolic, representations of their previous attempts to leave. You're part of the US (again), so you're going to act like it.

                  But privately anyone should be free to use the Confederate flag or any flag they want. We allow Nazi flags too, which is representative of a far more hateful ideology. While Apple/Amazon/Walmart have a right to choose what to sell, they aren't making a good choice forcing political correctness on people. They aren't living up to the ideals of free expression that every platform and marketplace should strive for. Germany can't sell games with swastikas and it's a joke when you have a WWII game and they are conspicuously absent. The fact is, this flag was used in the Civil War. A game about the Civil War should have this flag, and this one which was the [first] national flag of the Confederate States of America [and the one correctly called the Stars and Bars.]

                  And on a pragmatic level it's a stupid move. The Confederate flag is also a symbol of rebellion and independence, so telling people they can't use or display it is a great way to encourage more people to do exactly that. You're going to get exactly the opposite effect you intended.

                  [–]pkunkfury 44ポイント45ポイント  (19子コメント)

                  That's why I think the white house should fly the union jack.

                  [–]E437BF7BD1361B58 12ポイント13ポイント  (15子コメント)

                  We would fly the Union Jack if the British had won the American War for Independence. But they didn't, so we don't.

                  [–]pkunkfury 38ポイント39ポイント  (13子コメント)

                  We would fly the Union Jack if the British had won the American War for Independence. But they didn't, so we don't.

                  I'm not talking woulda, I'm talking should-a. The US shouldn't be allowed to fly anything but the union jack, rebel scum.

                  [–]wo1fbite 16ポイント17ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  That sounds like a lot of freedom-hating commie bullshit to me. You trying to start something?

                  [–]pkunkfury 34ポイント35ポイント  (10子コメント)

                  That sounds like a lot of freedom-hating commie bullshit to me. You trying to start something?

                  Sorry, what was that, peasant? I'm afraid that if you colonials want to talk to an british aristocrat like myself you'll have to go through the proper channels.

                  [–]izuerial 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  America only knows one channel, and that channel's name is freedom.

                  [–]geupard12 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  They're gonna dump your tea into the harbor if you don't watch that tone

                  [–]zebrake2010 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  The Commonwealth's totally out of hand these days.

                  [–]pkunkfury 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  One day the colonies shall rise again!

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                          [–]krymz1n 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Just watch as sales of "don't tread on me" flags increases a thousandfold

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                              [–]-Shank- 580ポイント581ポイント  (74子コメント)

                              I can understand not glorifying what the flag stood for, but do we really need to censor it completely because "muh triggers?" This is getting fucking ridiculous.

                              [–]Chronoblivion 358ポイント359ポイント  (19子コメント)

                              A game set in the Civil War is going to contain elements from the Civil War, including the Confederate flag. Portraying things as they were isn't an endorsement, and this is a concept most SJWs (and idiots in general) can't understand. It's the same as schools who ban Huck Finn because it contains the word "nigger," not realizing that the whole point of including it is to reinforce the anti-racist message of the book.

                              [–]Zerei 122ポイント123ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              It's the same as schools who ban Huck Finn because it contains the word "nigger," not realizing that the whole point of including it is to reinforce the anti-racist message of the book.

                              Exactly, this kind of cernsorship kills the argument, its the same as not having a discussion at all, this kind of problem must be faced and whether we use a children's book, a game, or w/e, we can't just sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

                              [–]theRAGE 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

                              Why don't we ban games with the Nazi flag, where Nazi Germany is a setting.

                              [–]SomeRandomGuy00 26ポイント27ポイント  (8子コメント)

                              You've never been to Germany, have you?

                              [–]celticguy08 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Germany does have strict guidelines involving Nazi paraphernalia, however considering Nazi Germany:

                              • Was more recent than the American civil war

                              • Was the entirety of Germany with outward force, rather than being an internal conflict

                              • Committed the Holocaust, without any realistic comparison with the confederacy

                              They have prefect reason to have those strict guidelines, and after my thus far history education and my recent trip to Germany, I feel like it was the right decision.

                              I feel like when it comes to the confederate flag, the only place it should be banned is government buildings. As a Virginian who sees it from time to time, I personally hate the sight of it, and immediately think less of those who display it, however it was long enough ago and did not have enough negative force to justify it being restricted elsewhere. Especially in a historic context. In a historic context, nothing should be censored, lest we forget.

                              [–]redwall_hp 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              It's not right at all to say it was the "entirety of Germany," any more than it is to say "all Americans supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan." There were plenty of people who didn't support the Nazi party. They were just forced to go along with it as it gained power and started attacking opposition.

                              A few internationally visible figures got away with publicly opposing them, though. They received harassment from the gestapo, but were more or less untouchable. Hugo Eckener, for example, was a vocal opponent. (I think there's even a picture of him flipping off the swastika somewhere...) He'd speak out against the Nazis when outside of Germany and rage about having to have the swastika painted on the side of the Graf Zeppelin.

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                                  [–]Gamer9103 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Here's what such a game (Wolfenstein) looks like in Germany compared to the rest of the world (left is uncensored, right is the German version): http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=363269#agu

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                                    [–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 111ポイント112ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                    This is the slippery slope that those of us completely dedicated to full, 100% freedom of speech and freedom of expression were afraid of; not government stripping away personal rights to wave whatever flag you damn well please (though that may be next), but the chilling effect against expression as dictated by corporate censorship.

                                    https://books.google.com/books?id=Yq_WAUXqRAEC&lpg=PA165&ots=waLiEKxxYS&dq=naomi%20klein%20no%20logo%20corporate%20censorship&pg=PA165#v=onepage&q=naomi%20klein%20no%20logo%20corporate%20censorship&f=false

                                    [–]TheCard 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    This. I was against the censorship of FPH and was fairly vocal about it. I didn't like FPH, in fact I thought it to be a vile community, but once you censor certain things arbitrarily, you start going down a slippery slope that you can't really recover from.

                                    But I just got dismissed as a "fatty hater" even though I'd never visited that sub.

                                    [–]Fat_Pony 64ポイント65ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    This is the slippery slope that those of us completely dedicated to full, 100% freedom of speech and freedom of expression were afraid of; not government stripping away personal rights to wave whatever flag you damn well please (though that may be next), but the chilling effect against expression as dictated by corporate censorship.

                                    This guy fucking gets it.

                                    Think about it like this; monopolies are the natural state of business. Amazon, Google and now Apple have all already shown that they want to censor the confederate flag. If Amazon and Google censor it in their app stores, that is about 95% of the market share of phones.

                                    This is the real danger to freedom of speech.

                                    [–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 32ポイント33ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                    And I don't feel that the consequence should necessarily be government regulation; bullying corporations around, nah.

                                    I do believe in empowering the individual to strike out against said corporation "just because". We build alternatives to challenge them and beat them at their own game.

                                    Where such a strategy fails, however is that these monstrosities have no incentive to play by the rules, and thus run to the government in order to regulate the technologies and ideas behind companies that may challenge them in the future.

                                    This is why it's infuriating when people rag on ride sharing services in regards to safety/security, it's why it's infuriating when people say Bitcoin needs regulation because of drugs or other nonsense, it's infuriating when people say you need to be goddamn licensed to have a 3D printer because it could be used to print a gun or something equally ridiculous.

                                    All it's doing is centralizing that power into the hands of a few.

                                    EDIT: OH. I had a point. Hold on.

                                    Therefore it's the responsibility of our people to give the business to our politicians, and give it to them hard. Anyone that played a role in this flag business, regardless if you think it should've been flying at a capitol or not, toss the bums out. They made short-sighted decisions about something stupid, how do you think they'll handle more serious situations?

                                    How's that TPP agreement working out for us? Oh, right. All coverage of it dropped when it became advantageous to exploit the deaths of nine people in order to put on a shitshow of a distraction so that we don't become vocal about the people involved in that. Fitting.

                                    We need revolution. Additional power parties to wipe out the two party system first and if that fails, violent revolution.

                                    [–]bobcat 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    if that fails, violent revolution.

                                    We don't need violence, we're already winning. Free speech is now unstoppable, due to the Internet. If one website falls to censorship, another rises in its place. If paypal fucks over that new site, a cryptocurrency will fill the gap. They are making it happen, by trying to stop it.

                                    Media and money, we run that now.

                                    I never thought bitcoin would actually be useful, but there we are.

                                    edit: someone should make a flag store site that takes bitcoin...

                                    [–]rubbishmyjunk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Free speech is now unstoppable, due to the Internet.

                                    Maybe today.

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                                          [–]FunkyBassline 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                          I guess we need to start removing all those WWII games now. Otherwise the Nazi's win.

                                          [–]marcus-livius-drusus 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          Also anything with the Union Jack in it. After all, that flag was in use while Britain killed millions of Irish, Indians, Africans, etc, and it was the flag that flew on the world's first concentration camps. In South Africa, during the Boer War the British invented concentration camps in an attempt to rob the Boers of support by locking up their families and other civilians. The pictures of starved children are pretty shocking, and more than 26000 civilians died of disease and malnutrition.

                                          A lot more killing and violence was done under the Union Jack than under the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which isn't even the actual Confederate flag. This is the actual official flag of the Confederacy. Can you imagine if SJWs knew about history? They would want to ban pretty much every flag in existence.

                                          [–]GeordieGarry 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          Union Flag, not Union Jack. I can't complain about the rest.

                                          [–]marcus-livius-drusus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          In Australia we always seem to refer to is as the Union Jack for some reason. But you are correct, that is its proper name.

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                                              [–]Earl_of_sandwiches 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              Worse than ridiculous: scary. In this case of removing historical simulations, they're literally sanitizing our history. That's straight up dystopian.

                                              Cue the "it's not censorship just because we succeeded in pressuring every major outlet and platform into suppressing it" brigade.

                                              Incidentally, is this yet another example of people assuming they can kill an idea or opinion or thought by controlling media? I mean you can obviously influence the public with respect to new events, but I'm pretty sure no one harboring wrongthoughts is going to suddenly change their mind based on the unwanted loss of their symbols. If anything, history sorta shows an opposite effect. One of the many things the past can teach us when we aren't too busy trying to erase it.

                                              [–]alcockell 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Whoever controls the past controls the future; whoever controls the present controls the past.

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                                                  [–]yabbadabbadoo1 231ポイント232ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                                  So there never was a civil war right? Is that what is trying to be said now? What they hell are they suppose to put there instead?

                                                  Edit: it's history, should be respected as such.

                                                  Edit: wording.

                                                  [–]RavenscroftRaven 129ポイント130ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                  Smiley faces. Plusgood extrasmiles.

                                                  There is no war in Ba Singh Se.

                                                  [–]redobr 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Lets take a vacation at the lake

                                                  [–]richmomz 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Reminds me of when Paradox had to censor one of their Hearts of Iron games in Germany because it had swasticas - I think someone modded in smiley faces over the flag and the ban was effectively bypassed.

                                                  [–]aik3n 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  /r/LakeLaogai is leaking?

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                                                      [–]BoxworthNCSU 115ポイント116ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                      1. Rile up SJW for yet another retarded cause
                                                      2. Anger racist idiots with removal of their symbol
                                                      3. Anger intellectuals with removal of legitimate history
                                                      4. Anger libertarians and progressives with censorship
                                                      5. Pass TPP unnoticed

                                                      [–]thmsm 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      Something tells me that no "progressives" are going to be up in arms about this one.

                                                      [–]BoxworthNCSU 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      You might be right with the flag over Columbia, SC, (I don't mind that, either, if the people don't want it, fine) but outright censorship is bad for moderates on both sides.

                                                      [–]Lynchbread 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      I consider myself a very liberal person who is very much against censorship, especially censorship of art.

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                                                          [–]GaryTheBum 156ポイント157ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                          So.. let me guess. Next up will be removing any discussion about the civil war and censoring the confederate flag from text books because it may be too "triggering"?

                                                          [–]firex726 58ポイント59ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          And let's not forget there are apps that have textbooks and history books in them, so are they going to pull those as well?

                                                          [–]gossipninjaArmed with PHP shurikens 49ポイント50ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                          can you buy "gettysburg" or "gods and generals" or "gone with the wind" on itunes?

                                                          What about books that mention the confederacy?

                                                          This rewriting of history, and the ease with which it is both done and championed is scary.

                                                          Reminds me of Stalin removing out-of-favor party members from the records/photos to push his views.

                                                          [–]SupremeReader 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Reminds me of Stalin removing out-of-favor party members from the records/photos to push his views.

                                                          You think this was the worst of erasing that Stalin attempted?

                                                          He tried to make entire nations disappear:

                                                          https://books.google.pl/books?id=M9fDifnkMJMC&pg=PA70

                                                          They (the peoples) were also erased from all kinds of books, first of all the Great Soviet Encyclopaedia, like if they have never existed.

                                                          This Stalinist practice inspired Orwell to create the memory hole in his book 1984.

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                                                            [–]lanadapter 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                            So.. let me guess. Next up will be removing any discussion about the c**** w** and censoring the c********** f*** from text books because it may be too "triggering"?

                                                            FTFY

                                                            [–]Goomich 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            At least they have nothing against Terran C************ from Wing Commander.

                                                            Oh FFS!

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                                                                [–]Ghost5410 303ポイント304ポイント  (133子コメント)

                                                                This is getting fucking ridiculous with this nonsense, which is what this whole debate is to start with. Nonsense.

                                                                [–]CatboyMac 121ポイント122ポイント  (123子コメント)

                                                                nonsense, which is what this whole debate is to start with. Nonsense.

                                                                Not entirely. The confederate battle flag should have never been allowed to be flown anywhere near a government building. It is appropriate for a game about the Civil War, though.

                                                                [–]Ben_Afflock 42ポイント43ポイント  (99子コメント)

                                                                The reason it flew on the SC Government grounds in the first place was because it flew over a monument to people who died defending the state under that particular flag.

                                                                It wasn't flying as a symbol of racism. Flying that particular flag over the graves of soldiers who died under is entirely justified. But nobody wants to hear about the actual context of the SC flag and instead go 'rabble rabble rabble'.

                                                                [–]YESmovement 96ポイント97ポイント  (48子コメント)

                                                                It wasn't flying as a symbol of racism.

                                                                But nobody wants to hear about the actual context of the SC flag

                                                                Here's the actual context: they put it up in 1961 (~100 yrs after the Confederacy was defeated), when the civil rights movement was starting it to help intimidate blacks. It literally was flying as a symbol of racism. The CSA VP's "Cornerstone Speech" outright stated slavery was "the great truth" the Confederacy was based on. The CSA was an insurrection against the United States government, making its flying on a building of a United States government absolutely insane and inappropriate. Hell, a smiley face flag would be inappropriate to fly there, let alone one belonging to a group that wanted to eliminate the government that building belongs to.

                                                                Flying that particular flag over the graves of soldiers who died under is entirely justified.

                                                                5 million soldiers died defending the state under this particular flag, yet it doesn't fly over their graves. In places where that flag is illegal, they actually use the Confederate flag as a stand-in...because racists literally consider it a symbol of racism.

                                                                Media depicting the Civil War is one of the few places it's 100% appropriate.

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                                                                      [–]Logan_Mac 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      The Washington Post: "The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous."

                                                                      https://archive.is/yVkpj

                                                                      National Park Service pulls Confederate flag items from gift shops

                                                                      http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/25/national-park-service-confederate-flag-sales-items/29264025/

                                                                      Google to remove Confederate flag from Google Shopping, ads (Reuters)

                                                                      https://archive.is/JbHfw

                                                                      Apple pulls Confederate flag apps from App Store (Mashable) (this article pressures Google to remove flag wallpapers, etc from Google Play)

                                                                      https://archive.is/DmV3l

                                                                      [–]staytaytay 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Holy fuck what is happening

                                                                      [–]Bugarup 134ポイント135ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                                      It's amazing how quickly so many different people and corporations have banded together to eliminate the confederate flag from everything - removing Dukes of Hazzard merch from the shelves, cleansing the app store of civil war-themed games, and so on. Give it ten years or so and I bet kids won't even know that there was a civil war and everybody can rest that little bit easier knowing that all that ugly yucky history was sanitized to avoid upsetting modern sensibilities. /s

                                                                      [–][deleted] 34ポイント35ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                      Give it ten years or so and I bet kids won't even know that there was a civil war and everybody can rest that little bit easier knowing that all that ugly yucky history was sanitized to avoid upsetting modern sensibilities.

                                                                      You don't understand, everyone has to become equal and everything upsetting has to be purged from history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9n98SXNGl8

                                                                      [–]TwistedPerson 41ポイント42ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                      The Chinese attempted to wipe out their own history and culture so that they could all become equal and one both socially and financially.

                                                                      Let's all just take a moment to remember how that went for them.

                                                                      [–]AmazonianHijinks 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      And this is how the cultural revolution imposed itself; not so much by government officials destroying cultural items, but by the general populace fingerpointing and having them all removed for their great social upheaval.

                                                                      This is 1917 Russia as well.

                                                                      I am not southern. But I think I will have to take up the confederate flag as a symbol against the restrictions of free speech and the destruction of history by idiocy.

                                                                      [–]PrincexTrollestia 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      So pretty well? Pretty much no one in China knows about Tiananmen, and those who do think it was about putting down rioters.

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                                                                        [–]Mech9k 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        So many books that warned us what happens when this isn't stopped the moment it starts, and it just gets ignored. Or used as a guideline.

                                                                        Sigh.

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                                                                          [–]the_nybbler 21ポイント22ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                          It's almost like there's a conspiracy. But there's no such thing, right?

                                                                          [–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                          Not between the participants, no. The cultural Marxist press is using its most potent weapons, allegations of racism and complicity in crimes, and local governments and corps are playing it by standard marketing texts, bending to demands to make the controversy go away. If so much as one major participant Protein-Worlded the press, the environment of fear causing the concessions would be broken. All it takes is one of them to say no.

                                                                          [–]LWMR 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                          It's almost like there's a conspiracy. But there's no such thing, right?

                                                                          I encourage you to put the word "conspiracy" on hold - it's a label that tells me very little, and invites a lot of acrimonious debate as to whether or not something is a "conspiracy theory".

                                                                          Imagine instead that I invite you to come on a trip in my time machine. We'll go back to 1750, before there was a United States, and whoosh around the world, picking up a Japanese Catholic, a French Catholic, a Kongolese Catholic and a Brazilian Catholic.

                                                                          These four people can't be conspiring. The telegraph hasn't been invented yet, let alone the internet. It would take months for them to communicate at all, and none of them have ever seen the others. In fact the ones we picked up have never been outside their homeland before. Yet, accounting for language, all four will have very similar beliefs and will say a very similar creed. How can this be?

                                                                          Because the people in question are reading from the same script. They have a shared ideology. They recognize the same authority. If we dragged the four of them to Rome and the Pope ordered them to work together, they'd work together. Similarly with SJWs. There's lots of them in various places, they have a shared agenda, and they took the confederate flag moment as an instruction to start working together for a common purpose. No overt coordination was necessary, because they agreed so much. A little reporting on what the others were doing helps keep everyone operating on the same page without anyone having to explicitly tell anyone else what to do.

                                                                          [–]the_nybbler 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          And on the other hand... JournoList / GameJournoPros. Sometimes the correct explanation for actions which appear co-ordinated is that they were co-ordinated.

                                                                          [–]zyk0s 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          It still didn't need to be carefully coordinated. There were cases when it was, but all you need is people sharing the same ideas, belonging to the same circles and sometimes being in bed with each other.

                                                                          If a bunch of game journalists go to a cocktail party and discuss for 3 hours how awful GG is, then they all independently write articles about it, is it a conspiracy? If Cook's partner goes to a meetup of SJW, then in bed, they talk about how Apple should remove all traces of the confederacy, who was conspiring? The effect is the same, but to call it conspiracy is giving them way too much credit.

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                                                                            [–]SolCaelum 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

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                                                                                [–]infernalmachine64 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                How is it off topic when it is an issue that is directly related to the game? Fucking sjw mods man. I bet they don't even play the game that they moderate the sub of.

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                                                                                  [–]Logan_Mac 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                  I love how the media went all "JeSuisCharlie" when Muslims shot cartoonists in France but now that's in their soil they want to protect sensibilities by censoring history

                                                                                  [–]Pinworm45 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  If we erase this flag, we erase slavery. You don't want slavery do you? Why do you support slavery?

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                                                                                    [–]rottingchrist 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    This is why open platforms and standards are extremely important.

                                                                                    [–]Pinworm45 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    I came back here to upvote this post and demand it reach the top and more outrage. It was at the top, quite solidly, one of our most upvoted topics. It's still not enough

                                                                                    Fuck this. Fuck this so fucking hard. Fuck everything about this.

                                                                                    First, I am a canadian. I don't give a rotten fuck about the confederates, the idea that anyone took up arms to defend slavery blows my mind. How anyone could want to fly one of those flags, I don't know. Then again, I ain't related to someone who faught in that war. I don't pretend to know what it's like to be in a family of someone who had Confederate 'blood'. Now I'll never know.

                                                                                    This case encompasses almost everything gamergate is about.

                                                                                    First, off the bat, it's fucking useless. Like Total Biscuit said, it's nothing but apple fucking over UNRELATED DEVELOPERS for cheap PR in the wake of a tragedy. How many developers made games about the Civil War? Or not even games, history apps, or hybrids between the two? How many stories about the abuse slaves suffered with historically accurate flags will never allow us to reflect? I don't know, but now there's not even the option. There's self defeat, something the other side always seems to have in abundance.

                                                                                    Will censoring the flag, hiding the past, will that do anything to deal with the repercussions of slavery, or is it just kind of shoving it under the rug? Fuck, it's more racist than anything, it's their hypocrisy and double speak, it's just fucking unreal.

                                                                                    Sorry, I went off an a tangeant. I always do because there's so many fucking layers to this horseshit that constantly comes up. Back to the developers. How many people just lost a good source of income, and possibly years they spent on their projects? I'm a nodev, I know how much time this takes. It's a lot. All gone. Destroyed. Because we want to hide a flag, that makes people feel bad. And we need to prevent that bad feeling, even though it's talking about that bad feeling that might ultimately be the only thing that actually makes progress. We'll never know now, because we're trying to hide it.

                                                                                    A massive company with so much control making such a massive decision that arbitrarily fucks over so many people, in such a misguided attempt to make people feel safe, it's just exhausting, isn't it? And I've barely scratched the surface of what I want to say, but I can't go on forever

                                                                                    [–]phantomtag2 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    This is insanity

                                                                                    [–]Dyalibya 135ポイント136ポイント  (67子コメント)

                                                                                    And I thought Apple couldn't get any worse, but you've got to give it to them, they know their audience

                                                                                    [–]Ghost5410 46ポイント47ポイント  (63子コメント)

                                                                                    Unfortunately, in this particular case, it's not Social Justice Warriors and the usual suspects here. This is the SC government that's causing it this time because they're blaming the recent shooting on the flag. The timing of this whole thing is too close for it to be coincidental for me.

                                                                                    [–]-Shank- 67ポイント68ポイント  (61子コメント)

                                                                                    The SC government is just the one bending to the outrage culture, it's most definitely SJWs as the catalyst behind all this.

                                                                                    [–]Ghost5410 65ポイント66ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                                                    People have been wanting to remove the Confederate flag since forever. The shooting just gave them an excuse to do it.

                                                                                    [–]-Shank- 27ポイント28ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                                                    The government would have done it a long time ago if it was that big an issue to them. The reason they're doing it now is because pro-censorship is playing on stereotypes and accusing the entire state of being tacit racists.

                                                                                    [–]primalchaos 54ポイント55ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                    While the South obviously has a long-standing problem with racism, I'm not gonna defend flying the flag as pride. I will, however, support flying the flag when you are depicting THE CIVIL WAR IN ART.

                                                                                    [–]Mech9k 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                    This 100%.

                                                                                    What next, removing Nazi swastikas? Offensive books?

                                                                                    [–]cakesphere 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    REMOVE THESE UPSETTING BOOKS

                                                                                    [–]Gazareth 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    Burn the books! They are wrong! Social injustice has never existed and never will again!

                                                                                    [–]YESmovement 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                    What next, removing Nazi swastikas?

                                                                                    Actually that is illegal in Germany except in purely historical context, which does not include fictional media based on history.

                                                                                    FUN FACT: Since they (neo-Nazis in Germany) can't fly a flag with a swastika, they use the Confederate flag in lieu.

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                                                                                      [–]linguotgr 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      To be fair, in this particular case, the courthouse started flying the flag during the MLK marches to protest civil rights. It kinda makes a lot of sense to call this particular instance of keeping it flying racist, since that was the intent of flying the flag was to support white supremacy.

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                                                                                                [–]Aaera 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                All I can say right now...

                                                                                                This is fucking disgusting. Everywhere I look, corporate fools censoring and banning anything they set their eyes on, with no regard for reason or justice.

                                                                                                The more it happens, the more other corporate fools catch onto the fad and propagate it themselves. With each wave of totalitarian censorship, it exponentially grows. I am utterly disgusted.

                                                                                                [–]sbeloud 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                Only a few weeks ago Reddit was screaming "they are a private business and they can ban Fatpeoplehate if they want to."

                                                                                                Now all the sudden everyone's is screaming for the opposite reason.

                                                                                                Apple is a private business and can ban the flag if they want.

                                                                                                [–]Aaera 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                It wouldn't be a problem if their reasoning was absolutely fallacious, and their act of doing so wasn't promoting irrational censorship as a whole, so that other venues do the same.

                                                                                                Banning FPH wasn't acceptable either. If individuals were breaking reddit rules, they can be individually banned. If the banning of FPH didn't propagate the anti-reality mindset, it would be fine, as reddit would just lose profit and popularity, and another place like Voat would pick it up.

                                                                                                Censorship is usually a loss to he who censors, but the big problem is that with each large scale censorship, it becomes more acceptable to do so, having a large negative impact on the state of rationality in our society. Bad for the business, but bad for the people as well.

                                                                                                [–]xternal7narrative push --force 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                ... Only a few weeks ago Reddit was screaming "they are a private business and they can ban Fatpeoplehate if they want to."

                                                                                                I think you may have forgotten which subreddit you're in. I can guarantee that there's at least 95%* overlap between people being outraged by this and people being outraged by banning of FPH.

                                                                                                *Figure excludes people who have heard about one but not the other, of course

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                                                                                                  [–]whistle_tips 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  I thought for sure this was going to be in /r/theonion

                                                                                                  [–]Arkeld 48ポイント49ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                                                  So basically, the US is now doing the same thing that we have been ridiculing Germany for: censoring a flag. You still, to this day, cannot display a Nazi flag in a game in Germany, even if the game revolves around fighting said Nazis. This is a step into that direction.

                                                                                                  [–]talones 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                  The US Holocaust Museum has a Nazi Prpoganda exhibit. I assume over 1000 nazi symbols. These people would literally die from triggering in there. I guess us jews arent as touchy.

                                                                                                  [–]GrampappyJoe 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                  Turns out facing actual hardships raises the threshold for your feels-o-meter to sound the alarm.

                                                                                                  [–]talones 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                  The only hardships the SJWs have faced are broken elevators and escalators.

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                                                                                                    [–]kshade_hyaena 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                    Yep, it's a ridiculous double standard our courts and politicans apply to video games but not, for example, movies and sketch comedy series. Don't be like Germany.

                                                                                                    I wonder if Apple allows Nazi insignia in the US app store.

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                                                                                                      [–]Snagprophet 50ポイント51ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                      Aha this is amazing. The American Civil war is one of the most well known pieces of American only history. Now they've banned it, does America have any history?

                                                                                                      [–]AndreFromThePast 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                      I grew up as a european kid with the myth of "land of liberty, freedom of speech" in the 80's, turns out something went wrong in the last decade, and it's something US society should look into asap because that vocal minority (sjws) is giving a really silly image of USA..

                                                                                                      [–]cogitansiuvenis 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      SJWism is just one symptom of a greater cancer eating away at us.

                                                                                                      [–]Mech9k 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      something went wrong in the last decade

                                                                                                      The lost of liberty in the US has been going on for more then just a decade, sadly.

                                                                                                      [–]Gryregaest 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      Technically speaking, our actual legal support of free speech is comparatively good. It's not good enough, but there's nothing like hate speech laws or legally banning historical symbols going on. Most censorship of non-broadcast mediums (things other than public television and radio) is industry-based.

                                                                                                      That being said, while apple is not a monopoly, it is quite a behemoth of a company. I wish I could say that this kind of crap would affect their bottom line, but it probably won't. I know it doesn't encourage me to spend my money on their products or services, but I can't say that this will be a common enough sentiment.

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                                                                                                        [–]Lurker906 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                        You have to be fucking shitting me. It's the Confederate flag, it was used by, you know, THE FUCKING CONFEDERATES!

                                                                                                        [–]JustALittleGravitas 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                        No it isn't, its the battle flag of Tenessee. Though I don't know its the games job to fix popular conception of history, apparently that's what they have to do to be on Apple.

                                                                                                        Edit: northern Virginia used a square flag, Tennessee had the rectangle.

                                                                                                        [–]furluge 28ポイント29ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                        Holy shit, remember how a while back there was talk that wargame developers like Hearts of Iron get worried about including Nazi logos for historical accuracy... and we all laughed and said it was ridiculous...

                                                                                                        Shit... it's happening. Has apple already pulled WW2 stuff from their store?

                                                                                                        Edit: So apparently HoI had already capitulated and removed the logo from their games. Not really the point though. The point is that it's an American company doing it without even being legally forced to do it. Getting stuck on HoI is kind of missing the point, since there's plenty of wargames out there.

                                                                                                        [–]StJimmy92 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                        Hearts of Iron doesn't include Nazi logos, though. They even banned mods from including them.

                                                                                                        [–]Cbird54 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        Those who don't know their past are doomed to repeat it. It's disturbing to me how we seem to be wanting to erase our history simply because some people find the past disturbing.

                                                                                                        [–]harpake 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        Laws in Germany prohibit the use of the swastika which is why there are virtually no games which include it.

                                                                                                        [–]johnr754 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                        As a previous commenter said, HoI doesn't use the Nazi flag. In HoI3, Paradox did use the Imperial German flag (which was the flag of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1935). I believe this is to comply with the retarded Nazi flag laws of Germany.

                                                                                                        Although, if Paradox were to include the Nazi flag in a HOI game for some reason, I'd expect a clickbait article on Kotaku within a week about how that is bad and why it should be removed.

                                                                                                        [–]hamsterbator 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        Taylor swift will write a letter and reverse this immediately.

                                                                                                        [–]KentWayne 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                        Apple has been full McIntosh for a while now.

                                                                                                        [–]adscott1982 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                        I am flabbergasted by the modern world.

                                                                                                        SJWs complain about being triggered by the most inoffensive things, kick up a screaming fit and all sorts of craziness. They use all their energy to get themselves in a rage about bullshit nonsensical things.

                                                                                                        Meanwhile in the Middle East ISIS/ISIL/IS are beheading Christians, drowning people in cages, slashing the throats of foreign aid workers... and the SJWs don't bat an eyelid. Islamic State are QUITE LITERALLY "worse than hitler", but it does not raise a response.

                                                                                                        The tide will turn eventually. It has to.

                                                                                                        [–]lkjjkl77 94ポイント95ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                                                                        you americans are really fucked up.

                                                                                                        [–]Revan232 67ポイント68ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                                                        No. it's just that we have too many weaklings.

                                                                                                        [–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 36ポイント37ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                                        As an American, god we need a plague...

                                                                                                        [–]RavenscroftRaven 65ポイント66ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                        Too bad, you get a plaque instead of a plague. It says "everyone's a winner, you participated!" and has gold-colored paint because using bronze is discriminatory.

                                                                                                        [–]richmomz 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                        If you look closer it really says "everyone's a whiner".

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                                                                                                          [–]usul1628 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                          One that only affects people who eat quinoa and kale more than once a week.

                                                                                                          [–]bl1y 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                          We have obesity.

                                                                                                          [–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          Not efficient enough.

                                                                                                          [–]Vladimir_Is_Pootin 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          Someone in Colorado died from the plague.

                                                                                                          [–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                          We need something more powerful... Something transmitted by hair dye and fedoras.

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                                                                                                              [–]UAZaqwert 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                              The vast majority of people are pretty normal, for some reason the media and the college campuses are largely dominated by SJW lunatics these days.

                                                                                                              [–]MonsterBlash 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                              The "some reason" is "manufactured controversy, in the absence of actual real controversy, sells".
                                                                                                              They are doing the "news as entertainment" thing to try and get viewership.
                                                                                                              It's like playing heel with news.

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                                                                                                                  [–]ZorbaTHut 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  When both KiA and GamerGhazi agree something is fucking moronic, it was probably a very bad idea.

                                                                                                                  [–]descartessss 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  This is a joke. This is nazism burning books and rewriting history. I ask for the ban of schindler's list for nazism portrait. Again, don't buy apple, they become the big brother they pretend to fight.

                                                                                                                  [–]corruptigon2 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Silicon Valley hypocrisy at its best.

                                                                                                                  [–]Kar98_Byf42 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Next, they'll put Ken Burns up against the wall.

                                                                                                                  [–]dvgn 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Two days before Apple purged this stuff, this Op-Ed requested that Apple remove anything with a Confederate flag from the App Store.

                                                                                                                  https://archive.is/FvnZq

                                                                                                                  The notion that SJW-style activism never results in censorship is simply an untruth.

                                                                                                                  [–]brotherjustincrowe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Untruth is SJWs' favorite kind of truth.

                                                                                                                  [–]ksheep 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                  ALL games featuring the American Civil War/the Confederate battle flag? That's odd, it looks like Victoria II: A House Divided is still available, and that expansion focused primarily on adding/updating how it handled the Civil War. Heck, it even has the Confederate flag on the icon.

                                                                                                                  [–]Paxalot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Now ban all movies about war! Progress!

                                                                                                                  [–]AmazonianHijinks 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  What the fucking hell level of insanity

                                                                                                                  These are civil war games. CIVIL WAR.

                                                                                                                  [–]TheCyanKnight 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Confederates confirmed worse than barbarian hordes and relentless zombies

                                                                                                                  Can games with pirates still use the pirate flag? Or does Apple endorse looting, plundering and terrorism?

                                                                                                                  [–]Zakamaru 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  They have to appease the San Francisco-livin', starbucks sippin', Mommy and Daddy's trust fund kiddies.

                                                                                                                  Or 90% of Apple's market.

                                                                                                                  [–]Andoracer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  logged in to upvote this. I'm not even American and this makes me very angry.

                                                                                                                  [–]lurkwellmyfriends 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                  History isn't history. You see, in the Civil War no one was offensive or mean-spirited. Everyone was smiling and laughing while they were killing each other. Why did they fight? Well, no one really knows and it doesn't really matter - because, you know, history never repeats itself or anything. All that you need to know is that when Ulysses S. Grant defeated Robert E. Lee in a nice game of chess the matter was settled.

                                                                                                                  [–]waalchastazoor 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Playing chess leads to hate crimes in churches, shitlord.

                                                                                                                  [–]PXAbstraction 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Reason #74832828 why I don't use Apple anything.

                                                                                                                  [–]beethovens_ear_horn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  They're going to have to remove an awesome movie, then. https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/glory/id263384016

                                                                                                                  [–]ChaeDoc_II 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Oh for fuck sake. I'm an unashamed SJW but even I know this is ridiculous. The flag should go from government buildings and property (with exceptions for art or historical record/artifacts), not from video games or movies referencing history.

                                                                                                                  [–]oxymo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  It's funny because to people that fly the flag, it is about history.

                                                                                                                  [–]EliteFourScott 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  I applaud this move by Apple and hope school textbooks do the same with chapters in the American Civil War. Also all references to racial segregation, slavery, and history of citizenship should be removed as well so that they can't trigger me while I'm thinking about them at my computer.

                                                                                                                  [–]usul1628 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                  All those southerners are crazy racists. We should kick them out of the Union so they can't pollute our hug boxes.

                                                                                                                  [–]MrHap 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  So, not only are we gonna pretend the Confederate flag doesn't exist, now we're gonna pretend the Civil War never happened. Progress!

                                                                                                                  [–]supamesican 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Now, I'm a minority so I get disliking the confederacy and maybe the flag a bit. But this? fucking this? Being historically accurate is bad now? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!? If we just pretend like this shit never happened we will be worse off for it, its not good. We don't live in a fairy world!

                                                                                                                  [–]Eladriol 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  what the ever living fuck. I don't even get this fucking shit what does this accomplish? Oh look we've stopped historically accurate representations of the armies of the time, guess now we can all live together racist free society!

                                                                                                                  [–]CyborgLincoln 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  HOW?

                                                                                                                  THEY ARE USED IN HISTORICAL FUCKING CONTEXT, IN A CIVIL FUCKING WAR GAME, IT'S THEIR FUCKING BATTLE FLAG YOU DENSE FUCKERS

                                                                                                                  I'm done, next their going to axe all Civil War documentaries and remove the entire Confederacy from history books because god forbid anyone sees a Confederate flag, they might be triggered!

                                                                                                                  [–]Charlemagne_III 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                  If this is true, then this is some bullshit. What kind of world is this where symbols are removed from places where they are contextually appropriate, just because someone might get offended. It seems like we progressing towards the ultimately safe environment, where anything that could possibly offend anyone isn't allowed.

                                                                                                                  [–]theroseandswords 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                  What's next? Textbooks and museums? Ffs...

                                                                                                                  [–]mattinthecrown 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                  Well, that's impeccably retarded.

                                                                                                                  [–]wallace321 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  I'm not sure this is what anybody meant...

                                                                                                                  We've gone full bratwurst.

                                                                                                                  [–]BoiseNTheHood 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                  This is truly pathetic and something I'd expect from nanny-state Europe, not the US. Taking the flag down at the state house is one thing. Removing the flag from a game where it is required for historical accuracy is fucking retarded.

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