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[–]vadergeekMadman 53ポイント54ポイント55ポイント 11時間 前* (26子コメント)
Because apparently bad things can't happen to women in comics now? Jason and Damian dying was fine, Bruce being paralyzed was great, but Babs being shot is seemingly oppressive.
You might as well say "Fixed It!" and post a picture of a young Bruce Wayne disarming Joe Chill.
[–]geeky_username 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 10時間 前 (5子コメント)
I think people are uncomfortable with the sexual stuff afterwards.
I don't agree, and think they should show a female character come back strong after such an event but that's American culture for you.
Violence is OK, so long as we don't talk about sex or naked people
[–]vadergeekMadman 23ポイント24ポイント25ポイント 10時間 前 (1子コメント)
There's a vaguely sexual tone to the later events, but far worse has happened to Bruce and Dick in that field.
[–]1204Sparta 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 9時間 前 (0子コメント)
Quiet you, men can't get raped raped silly
[–]twitch1982Deadpool 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 5時間 前 (2子コメント)
You SHOULD be uncomfortable with the sexual stuff, that's the point, it's supposed to be horrible.
[–]geeky_username -3ポイント-2ポイント-1ポイント 5時間 前 (1子コメント)
Well, there's uncomfortable and uncomfortable and wanting to censor or change it
[–]twitch1982Deadpool 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
Wanting to censor it is bullshit
[–]NumberNull 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
Now you're getting it! The least sexist and most exciting superheros are the ones nothing bad ever happens to. Like that one....uh...um.......and of course, who could forget.....er....that... dude? Shit, I don't know.
[–]biiirdmaaan -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 10時間 前* (15子コメント)
With those characters, they were major players in their respective stories. Barbara literally did nothing except get shot in The Killing Joke.
Edit: Am I wrong?
Edit 2: Jeez, sorry for expressing an opinion that could be vaguely construed as feminist while showing a basic understanding of story structure, guys.
[–]SuperCoolant 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 8時間 前 (14子コメント)
She was important to the story because of her relationship with her father, who is also an important character.
[–]Janagirl123 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 3時間 前 (0子コメント)
Doesn't that essentially make her part of the women in the refrigerator trope though? If her being shot, exploited, and sexually harassed only happened to forward her fathers story then she herself isn't playing an active role in the story, she's supporting another character.
[+]biiirdmaaan スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 8時間 前 (9子コメント)
Right, she doesn't have any importance to the story outside her victimization. She didn't make any decisions or actively do anything. You'd think think the story that creates a major change in the status quo for only one character, That character would be the main character of that story. But she wasn't.
[–]SuperCoolant 11ポイント12ポイント13ポイント 7時間 前 (8子コメント)
Things happen to people all the time that they have no control or say in, particularly getting crippled or sexually abused. Why should she be any different just because she's important? Bad shit happens to people.
[+]biiirdmaaan スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 7時間 前 (7子コメント)
You know we're talking about a fictional story, right? Narrative, especially in media for mass consumption like comic books, follows a structure that real life doesn't. Alan Moore is a legend, but he's not that avant garde, at least not when he was writing for DC. But usually, important characters are treated as important. It would be weird, for instance, if Batman were paralyzed in a JLA book that mostly focused on Martian Manhunter's relationship with Wonder Woman.
[–]detourne 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 7時間 前 (4子コメント)
Did you just say that Alan Moore isn't that avant garde? Ha! Swamp Thing and Watchmen were just logical extensions of the copper age, right?
[–]biiirdmaaan -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 7時間 前 (2子コメント)
Yes, I said that Alan Moore conforms to standards of story structure. This isn't an insult, nor is it controversial.
[–]detourne 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間 前 (1子コメント)
Fair enough, everyone conforms to story structure in sequential art. Even Kuper, Sienkiewicz and Wood.
[–]-ColbyFlex Mentallo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
Not everyone but art comics do not get upvoted here on r/comicbooks
Avant Garde does not mean trippy
[–]Flamma_ManCaptain Marvel 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
You know we're talking about a fictional story, right?
Same thing happens when you bring up flaws with Man of Steel.
Guys, these things don't exist in a vacuum!
[–]Security_BardMr. Freeze 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 7時間 前 (0子コメント)
The Joker did what he did to Barbra to get to Jim. It's a major part of what Joker is trying to do in the story.
[–]-ColbyFlex Mentallo[S] -1ポイント0ポイント1ポイント 2時間 前 (2子コメント)
Her father is a man. She couldve been a precious heirloom or a dog and provides the same motivation concievably
[–]SuperCoolant 1ポイント2ポイント3ポイント 2時間 前 (1子コメント)
Yes, but Commissioner Gordon does not have an heirloom or dog, particularly not one that's relevant.
[–]-ColbyFlex Mentallo[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント0ポイント 2時間 前 (0子コメント)
The thing is, there is no constraint on what Moore could've written in to motivate Gordon. Me and many others are contending that he made a poor choice
[–]superthebillybobThe Will -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 9時間 前 (2子コメント)
She is a superhero trained by Batman. I think part of it is that you would think she would be able to handle one guy pulling a handgun on her.
[–]vadergeekMadman 22ポイント23ポイント24ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
She was surprised in the comfort of home. Besides, Batman's been shot as well.
[+]NizbelHellboy スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 9時間 前* (0子コメント)
That's what always bother me about the event. I remember being confused as she's been in worse situations. Also, the Joker just straight up shooting someone? Fells blunt even for the Joker. But we did get the supporting role of Oracle which is basically an archetype support role for every superhero nowadays.
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