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[–]harryboomAquaman 226ポイント227ポイント  (14子コメント)

breaking the jokers neck leaving him in a wheelchair, he becomes the oracle providing a freelance planning service to villains, making the villains of Gotham infinity more deadly.

[–]cyberpunk_werewolf 48ポイント49ポイント  (8子コメント)

Brad Meltzer actually tried to do this with Calculator during Identity Crisis. I don't think it really went anywhere beyond that and his JLA run, though. Calculator didn't get his neck broken, though, so I guess that's different.

[–]briancarkneeThe Question 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

He was in some non-Meltzer stuff as well. Villains United and Final Crisis I believe.

[–]Jay_R_KayBatman 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

And in Birds of Prey and Batgirl.

[–]orangeinsightIron Man 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

And he filled Oracles role of mission/exposition giver for villains in DCU online.

[–]eskimo_brosLuke Cage 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Upon reflection, he actually showed up pretty frequently.

He basically was evil Oracle between Identity Crisis and the New 52.

[–]KeenBlade 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a pretty good idea, really. I like it when there are characters like that, who play an active role in the story, but don't go around punching people. It makes the world feel more well-rounded.

[–]Serious_Callers_OnlyJohn Constantine 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was one of my favorite parts of that game too.

[–]JodahGreen Lantern 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They also did that in the DC Universe MMO. Oracle was the one giving orders for the heroes while Calculator gave orders for the villains.

[–]geeky_username 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

The smarts of the joker infused in other villains would be terrifying, and would break up the Joker's nigh unstoppable-ness.

Villains would still be beatable since there's probably some part of the plan they wouldn't go along with, or understand, or the Joker sets them up deliberately for the HA's

[–]Claim_to_LameSpider-Man 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really liked when they used the Clock King for this in the Task Force X episode of the Justice League cartoon.

[–]karl2025Spider-Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really liked when they used the Clock King any time in the DCAU.

[–]RareBk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a terrifying concept.

[–]StoneGoldX 110ポイント111ポイント  (128子コメント)

So you're saying you don't want her to become Oracle, maybe the most pivotal moment in the character's overall development?

[–]ookukeIron Man 190ポイント191ポイント  (1子コメント)

im a strong independent woman who dont need no development

[–]cyberpunk_werewolf 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's kind of complicated. On one hand, it did lead to Oracle, who was awesome, and is cooler than Batgirl (saying this as a Batgirl fan), but on the other, it was ridiculously dark and probably unnecessary. At the same time, DC was trying to strip away Batman's supporting cast to "the basics" after Jason Todd got killed. Barbara Gordon had already retired a few months earlier in "the Last Batgirl Story," so one of the reasons Moore didn't get reined in by Len Wein was because she had already been retired.

[–]dmull387My Name is Wally West and I'm the Fastest Man Alive 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

This comic could have led to Oracle without her getting shot, although the way they built her up as a positive character in spite of her paraplegia would be missed. All it takes is one bad day for Barbara to realize that villains need a shorter leash, and heroes need to be proactive. And how better for an ex-librarian to be proactive than to be an information broker?

[–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also Hawkeye should've went deaf without being stabbed in the ear

[–]BaldBombshellBigby Wolf 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

... He did. Hawkeye's hearing problems go back to 1983 against Crossfire and his goons.

[–]FrancisCastiglione12Jesse Custer 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but that was fixed, and he was re-deafened recently by arrow-ear-stabbing.

[–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Francis said what I was gonna

[–]Duffya 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just looking at his lifestyle alone!

[–]IzzyismeTony Chu 32ポイント33ポイント  (21子コメント)

Just because a later writer turned around and used this development in an interesting way does not mean that it was a good idea. Hell, even Alan Moore regrets it.

[–]TheprotonKamala Khan 113ポイント114ポイント  (12子コメント)

that being said it was pretty cool how they showed Barbara bounce back from that incident and showed how a person who was wheel chair bound could still roll with the best of 'em.

Plus Alan Moore regrets a lot of things. Im pretty sure he regrets Watchmen. Hell Im pretty sure he regrets comics all together.

[–]ZachofFablesTommy Monaghan 44ポイント45ポイント  (5子コメント)

Alan Moore just seems like an angry person in general.

[–]Widgetcraft 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

When two women turn your three-way relationship into a two-way relationship, and you're suddenly left single and worshiping a snake god, shit gets dark.

[–]NinthNovaDream 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Great summary of Alan Moore's origin story.

[–]greytorNightwing 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

but does that make him a super hero or villain?

[–]NinthNovaDream 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

A grizzled anti-hero with ambiguously defined powers.

[–]LetsGoChuckTaylorIredeemable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alan Moore is angry at everything. It gives his beard power.

[–]apple_kicksFlash 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

he is back in comics, Crossed one hundred is pretty amazing so far

[–]Hell_TutorRorschach 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

He never left comics, he keeps writting new League of Extraordinary Gentlemen stuff and subsequent spin offs also. Nemo is pretty mazing a series featuring the daughter of Nemo as the new captain of the nautilus.

[–]apple_kicksFlash 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

ah thought he took a long break and did some short films, got some catching up to do

[–]Hell_TutorRorschach 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I kinda gave up on the league but nemo stuff is a perfect treasure trove.

[–]saint_godardAmbush Bug 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking forward to the second ish of Providence, myself.

[–]Dr_ExplosionSpider-Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

showed how a person who was wheel chair bound could still roll with the best of 'em.

heh.

[–]Flamma_ManCaptain Marvel 55ポイント56ポイント  (4子コメント)

Alan Moore: I asked DC if they had any problem with me crippling Barbara Gordon - who was Batgirl at the time - and if I remember, I spoke to Len Wein, who was our editor on the project ... [He] said, 'Yeah, okay, cripple the bitch.' It was probably one of the areas where they should've reined me in, but they didn't."

[–]firelite906The Question 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

TIL: Len Wein is a dick

[–]bliffay 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but he's a dick who created Swampy.

[–]SwearWords 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Wolverine. Most of the Giant-Size X-Men team, too.

[–]btmcMr. Fantastic 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm willing to bet that Alan Moore is taking a little bit of liberty with the exact phrasing there.

[–]orangeinsightIron Man 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

George Lucas regrets having Han Solo shoot first. Just because a creator has regrets doesn't mean I have to.

[–]EricFaustLex Luthor 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, he didn't intend for it to be canon so it isn't surprising that he regrets it.

[–]1204Sparta 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lucas regretted Han Solo shooting first .

[–]2Weird2Live2Rare2DieSpider Jeruselem 0ポイント1ポイント  (81子コメント)

She shouldn't have had to earn that development with a sexual assault in the first place.

[–]cole1114The Question 29ポイント30ポイント  (32子コメント)

The being stripped naked part is usually not mentioned when it comes to her character motivation. Just the being crippled and coming back from it.

[–]Dashing_Snow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about the fact the commissioner was also stripped that is also something that is usually not mentioned.

[–]2Weird2Live2Rare2DieSpider Jeruselem 2ポイント3ポイント  (30子コメント)

I don't see how people whitewashing the sexual assault when they praise it makes it any less egregious and unnecessary.

[–]cole1114The Question 30ポイント31ポイント  (29子コメント)

Because a) still a really good comic b) Babs wasnt raped

[–]2Weird2Live2Rare2DieSpider Jeruselem 11ポイント12ポイント  (27子コメント)

A) being stripped naked and photographed at gunpoint is still a sexual assault, and B) the implicit possibility that she was raped is clear and, by my estimation, deliberate.

[–]cole1114The Question 17ポイント18ポイント  (24子コメント)

Honestly? I don't see why it matters either way.

[–]saint_godardAmbush Bug -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

When the book was coming out it was available to be sold to children. No Mature Readers warning. So I'd say it matters a whole lot.

I was twelve when it came out. That scene completely changed how I viewed the Joker, who previously had been just a murderous clown. Then he became a murderous clown who sexually exploited & humiliated a crippled woman. That was a pretty massive shift in 1988. I understand if the context is lost on modern readers, who see worse things on Hannibal on NBC every week.

[–]damntree 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

I was fine with him murdering countless people and beating a teen boy half to death and blowing him up. Just fine with all that but possible rape you say? How could they maybe imply something so unspeakable?

Lol, do you even hear yourself?

[–]Duffya -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

Just back up a second and think:

you're saying that about rape.

[–]cole1114The Question 4ポイント5ポイント  (14子コメント)

Rape that never happened. In a narrative. That, if it had been intended as rape (it wasn't, as confirmed by Moore himself), would have been from one of the worst people in (fictional) history. Because it's not real. It's narrative. It's fiction.

[–]big_cheddars 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But the Joker is crazy and homicidal, why is it so difficult to stomach that him or his goons may have raped Barbara? And it's not like that negatively affects her character development.

[–]Duffya 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

There doesn't have to be penetration for it to still be sexual assault.

[–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is true

It is also true that nobody cared about the character anymore until Oracle was born

It is also true bad things happen to good characters and heroes shouldn't be separate from that of they're women

And it is true sexual assault happened to Starman, Deadpool and Nightwing, even rape

It is also true neither were defined by the acts for long after them other than Starman.

[–]Coal_MorganThe Question 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sexual assault also happened to Jim Gordon in the Killing Joke. He was stripped naked and paraded before everyone as part of the attempt to mentally break him.

[–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup

I think Babs got the bad deal of it and Gordon never really had arcs dwelling on his, which I think is indicative of the anti women aspect of comics in the old era.

But that said, Oracle was far more interesting then Batgirl imo. I'm not a fan of that part of the comic but I'm a fan of how writers used it to evolve her character.

[–]saint_godardAmbush Bug 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe it's just me, but Barbara in her hospital bed grabbing Bats' cape & growling "We have to show him our way works!" would have been a hell of a lot more powerful & disturbing than watching Jim get pushed around by pinheads in studded leather diapers.

[–]squeak6666yw -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

ya but know one cares about that. He has a penis! he is allow to physically and emotionally destroyed not woman.

[–]vadergeekMadman 25ポイント26ポイント  (42子コメント)

I've always found it mystifying that people are so upset by the vaguely sexual nature of her shooting in Killing Joke, when barely anyone cares that Bruce and Dick have both been flat-out raped.

[–]BaldBombshellBigby Wolf 24ポイント25ポイント  (14子コメント)

People made quite a kerfluffle when Nightwing was raped by Tarantula. Notice how many comics Devin Grayson is writing now.

[–]vadergeekMadman 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

At the time, sure, but the Killing Joke anger has persisted, the Nightwing rape stuff sort of died down.

[–]BaldBombshellBigby Wolf 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because people keep deifying the Killing Joke as a classic in comics. Nobody does that for Devin Grayson's Nightwing run. Also, it is a fact that sexual assault against women is more of a flashpoint than sexual assault against men.

[–]vadergeekMadman 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

People recommend Morrison's Batman run all the time (and they should, it's brilliant) and the date-rape of Batman that led to Damian is responsible for a massive chunk of that.

[–]BaldBombshellBigby Wolf 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because Talia's date-rape of Batman didn't actually happen in the story. Morrison had never read the original story at the time, so he based it on assumption.

For a long time, [DC] said [Son of the Demon] was out of continuity. Now it's just kind of out of continuity. I didn't actually read it before I started writing this. I messed up a lot of details, like Batman wasn't drugged when he was having sex with Talia and it didn't take place in the desert. I was relying on shaky memories.

[–]vadergeekMadman 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

It didn't happen in the original story, no, but Morrison included it.

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    [–]Cardboard_BoxerRamona Flowers 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    when barely anyone cares that Bruce and Dick have both been flat-out raped.

    When did this happen?

    [–]TheGamerTribuneGrant Morrison 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Dick was in some alley by a crazy in an old issue of Nightwing. Think there's an Atop the Fourth Wall episode on it. I think Bruce was in Son of the Demon, where Talia roofied him so she could have Damian.

    [–]Hell_TutorRorschach 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    where Talia roofied him so she could have Damian.

    I have to read the original now because ite seems Morrison actually assumed this is what had happend and so he wrote it like so, making it canon..

    [–]TheGamerTribuneGrant Morrison 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It now occurs to me that I've never actually read it and have just been taking the word of Oh Grand Morrison as fact.

    [–]vadergeekMadman 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    It happened here with Tarantula for Nightwing, and here with Talia for Bruce.

    [–]Cardboard_BoxerRamona Flowers 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    That artwork makes Ra's look so oddly adorable.

    [–]vadergeekMadman 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Like a cartoon cat.

    [–]cole1114The Question -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tarantula's eventual comeuppance is one of my favorites in comics.

    [–]1204Sparta 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

    It's like the people upset over Sansa's off screen rape in Game of Thrones but made no complaint over Theon being tortured and had his penis cut off over a whole season

    [–]BaldBombshellBigby Wolf 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Because Theon's transformation to Reek was at least in the original source material.

    Not only was Sansa's rape not in the original story (it happens to a Jeyne Pool, who Theon has convinced the Boltons is Arya Stark), but Sansa's rape in the show is less about her character and more about Theon's. Sansa's continued victimization is secondary to Theon's reaction to it.

    Watchers still cling to the belief that the Starks are the heroes and main characters of Game of Thrones.

    [–]vadergeekMadman 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I really don't see how it's that important which character was raped in this context. Hell, Jeyne's situation was much worse than Sansa's.

    [–]BaldBombshellBigby Wolf 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Hence the final line. People are convinced that the Starks are the heroes and stars, so they'll react more harshly.

    [–]MorganWick 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    GoT has heroes and stars?

    [–]big_cheddars 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Fuck no.

    Anybody who reduces Game of Thrones down to good guys and bad guys... has kind of missed the point entirely.

    [–]firelite906The Question 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would say theirs a dichotomy of noble idiots ("good guys") and realists with varying levels of moral reservations ("bad guys") but the series has no real central protagonistic "heroes" after ned died. everyone else isn't taking actions on a purely on a moral paradyme besides maybe varys or possibly tyrion, but he strangled someone out of hatred.

    [–]1204Sparta -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I would argue that in the source material like it or not, that Sansa is a victim . The book delves deeper into Joffrey's abuse not to mention Sansa was raped by Pycelle.

    [–]eskimo_brosLuke Cage 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Since you find it mystifying, I'll explain it.

    First, it has to do with agency. Both Bruce and Dick get their agency back almost immediately. They don't have to dwell on what happened to them. Babs is crippled by the event. She has to relive that day every morning when she wakes up and remembers she cannot walk.

    Second, sexual assault against female FICTIONAL CHARACTERS is a bigger deal than sexual assault against male fictional characters. Notice the emphasis. There were relatively few strong female heroes at the time, so to have one of the big ones so thoroughly degraded was a big deal. Bruce and Dick are just two of literally hundreds of male heroes who were active at the time, and, as I mentioned, they were allowed to move past that.

    Third, while you are correct in noting that there wasn't much outcry over Bruce (partially because it was an accidental retcon wherein the initial meeting was completely consensual), a big deal actually was made about what happened to Dick. That writer had to apologize, and basically stopped writing.

    [–]vadergeekMadman 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    The sexual overtones of the Killing Joke didn't have that much of a long-term impact, it was mostly the fact that she was shot in the spine. She was stripped naked, but so was her father.

    So Babs is one of the big female characters, but Batman and Nightwing are just generic members of a throng?

    The outrage over Dick died out, people are still upset about the Killing Joke. And Grayson kept writing Nightwing for years after that issue,

    [–]LexFuckingLuthorLex Luthor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't even know why people don't even bring up that Barbra wasn't even the only Gordon sexually assaulted in Killing Joke.

    [–]Okichah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Characters with flaws and personality are tools of the patriarchy, shitlord.

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      [–]Youareabadperson6 57ポイント58ポイント  (9子コメント)

      Why is some one trying to reduce the number of handicapped heroes we have? I mean there already aren't a ton of them.

      [–]AkosceOracle 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

      As a crippy, I can't even get into new fun Batgirl stuff because I just want more Oracle.

      Subreddit flare unrelated...

      [–]slimmsy 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Tell me about it. Oracle is hands down one of my favourite characters. I had no idea how much i actually missed her until i started playing arkham. I really wish dc would bring her back :(

      [–]Skallox 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I always felt that she was a great accompanying character.. Like her solo stories didn't appeal to me but I loved her in Cas-girl, Birds of Prey, and Steph-girl.

      [–]slimmsy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Thats what made her so special. She was the glue that held the bat family together.

      [–]cole1114The Question 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well, there's always an upside. You could be a bloody.

      That joke doesn't work with other gangs. Also, why does the Oracle flair have her on her feet?

      [–]LetsGoChuckTaylorIredeemable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Same reason the Metron flair doe.s Chairs are tricky.

      [–]chenofzurenarrh 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ask DC of four years ago.

      [–]slithymonsterSkinner Sweet 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yea they could have just had another character be Batgirl. Maybe even Cassandra or Stephanie Brown.

      [–]PileMasterScarlet Spider 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Cassandra was an absolutely badass Batgirl. She thought it martial arts. She was pretty much untouchable in a fight!

      [–]PileMasterScarlet Spider 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

      I'm not gonna lie that's not how I expected the last panel to go.

      Have we reached the point where new fans of Batgirl outnumber old fans of Oracle? Now I know how Teen Titans fans must have felt back during the Young Justice days.

      [–]yokmsdfjsDevil Dinosaur 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

      more like we've reached a point where the number of Batgirl fans out-numbers the number of people who even know Oracle was a thing at all

      [–]BaldBombshellBigby Wolf 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I was a fan of both TT and YJ. It's when YJ became the Titans that they started going off the rails.

      [–]Tim-McPackageJamie Madrox 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Okay but what is Damien Wayne or Robert Queen's new origin story then?

      [–]centipededamascusDemolition Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Robert Queen

      Who?

      [–]Tim-McPackageJamie Madrox 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The son of Oliver Queen and Shado from the time she raped him. Not even vaguely hinted at it, just flat out drugged him and used him as an emerald sperm bank.

      [–]centipededamascusDemolition Man 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      When was this?

      [–]flyingseelHoward The Duck 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Late 80's was when he was born, idk when the origin was revealed. But also he mentioned Batman being raped by Talia to conceive Damien.

      DC wiki has a full article dedicated to sexual assault/rape where it lists all the victims, male and female. http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Rape

      [–]SuperCoolant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I think that's Ollie's rape baby with Shado.

      [–]TheBooshKing 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Blasphemy.

      [–]leetfists 46ポイント47ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Thought this was a tumblrinaction post at first. Does anyone actually believe this would make The Killing Joke better? What happens next? The Joker gets handcuffed and taken away, and no woman is ever harmed in comics again? Then what? Barbara Gordon never becomes one of the most well developed female characters in Batman comics (not to mention one of the few important physically handicapped characters in comics). Yeah, that sounds so much better.

      [–]NanoGeek 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm fairly sure it was just supposed to be funny...

      [–]LetsGoChuckTaylorIredeemable 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      What it was supposed to be and what it actually is are very different.

      [–]vadergeekMadman 57ポイント58ポイント  (26子コメント)

      Because apparently bad things can't happen to women in comics now? Jason and Damian dying was fine, Bruce being paralyzed was great, but Babs being shot is seemingly oppressive.

      You might as well say "Fixed It!" and post a picture of a young Bruce Wayne disarming Joe Chill.

      [–]geeky_username 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I think people are uncomfortable with the sexual stuff afterwards.

      I don't agree, and think they should show a female character come back strong after such an event but that's American culture for you.

      Violence is OK, so long as we don't talk about sex or naked people

      [–]vadergeekMadman 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

      There's a vaguely sexual tone to the later events, but far worse has happened to Bruce and Dick in that field.

      [–]1204Sparta 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Quiet you, men can't get raped raped silly

      [–]twitch1982Deadpool 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

      You SHOULD be uncomfortable with the sexual stuff, that's the point, it's supposed to be horrible.

      [–]NumberNull 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You might as well say "Fixed It!" and post a picture of a young Bruce Wayne disarming Joe Chill.

      Now you're getting it! The least sexist and most exciting superheros are the ones nothing bad ever happens to. Like that one....uh...um.......and of course, who could forget.....er....that... dude? Shit, I don't know.

      [–]superthebillybobThe Will -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

      She is a superhero trained by Batman. I think part of it is that you would think she would be able to handle one guy pulling a handgun on her.

      [–]vadergeekMadman 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

      She was surprised in the comfort of home. Besides, Batman's been shot as well.

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        [–]twitch1982Deadpool 65ポイント66ポイント  (13子コメント)

        Oh look, I'm on Tumblr now.

        [–]IzzyismeTony Chu -5ポイント-4ポイント  (12子コメント)

        No, this is Reddit.

        [–]suss2it 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        To be fair the OP link is a link to Tumblr.

        [–]ShadowkyzrNightwing 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No, this is Patrick.

        [–]darksugarrose 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

        No...

        EDIT: Formatting

        [–]TrevorSlatterySpider-Man 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

        FAIL

        [–]darksugarrose 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah I fucked that code up pretty bad, the http:// is everything!

        [–]twitch1982Deadpool 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

        I'm in a thread full of people complaining about a fictional sexual assualt, with comments like "she didn't need to go through a sexual assualt to develop her character". About FICTION. I'm so triggered.

        [–]IzzyismeTony Chu 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        People? With opinions about fiction? How dare they.

        [–]vadergeekMadman 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

        On a fiction-discussion subreddit, no less.

        [–]nabub8Batman Beyond -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

        No, this is Patrick.

        [–]JesusDeSaadDaredevil 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's a fun panel, but the title reminded me too much of tumblr shit and kind of spoiled it for me.

        [–]azriel777 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

        If this has happened then then this would have been a snore fest and a forgettable read.

        [–]ThorseBeta Ray Bill 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

        So is the Killing Joke canon with current continuity Babs? They implied it, but now she can walk after?

        They imply it in the Arkham Knight game as well, but all Joker did was take 3 pictures and leave.

        [–]harryboomAquaman 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

        but now she can walk after?

        modern medicine.

        [–]TrevorSlatterySpider-Man 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Nanomachines, son.

        [–]chenofzurenarrh 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

        According to current continuity, she got better via surgery, which I think was detailed in Secret Origins #10 back in April.

        [–]PileMasterScarlet Spider 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

        Did that happen after she was Oracle or instead of her being Oracle?

        [–]chenofzurenarrh 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

        I'm not sure if they've touched on her period as Oracle, but it reads to me as if she was Oracle for a while, then got surgery. She's still as much of a computer whiz as she was as Oracle.

        [–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think instead of

        Dc implied she was Oracle briefly but I don't recall in book confirmation and she was shot three years prior, so it seems to me she probably wasn't ever Oracle

        [–]1204Sparta 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Wait wasn't that story really convoluted hinting that at any moment she could go back to being crippled.

        [–]flyingseelHoward The Duck 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The Arkham games are in their own universe all together. So they changed a bit of her getting shot and also

        [–]Goodstyle_4Joker 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

        Terrible and lame wish fulfillment. Nothing was "fixed", this was just made because apparently, nothing bad can ever happen to any women ever in comics.

        [–]BiggestBossMan35 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I think it's a joke but alright

        [–]TrevorSlatterySpider-Man 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

        A KILLING JOKE, IF YOU WILL.

        [–]superthebillybobThe Will -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I always found it weird that Joker was just able to get the jump on her like that. She was a superhero, trained by Batman. I felt like she would be able to handle one guy with a handgun clearly pointed at her.

        [–]vadergeekMadman 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Depends on how long she has to react. I always saw this scene as a sort of split-second thing, with the extra panels more for emphasis than time. She could probably deal with it if she were suited up and ready for action, but this is Babs being ambushed while relaxed on a lazy day with her dad.

        [–]S0ftMachine 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        is not one guy its the joker, even batman would be stunned if the joker ever come knocking to wayne manor.

        [–]broodwich87 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I know, right?

        It's not like bullets are fast or something like that.

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          [–]Cee-Jay 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm getting a distinct Galbrush Threepwood vibe from this, and I don't like it at all.

          [–]AngryRedHerring 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Now that I think about it, a peephole probably woulda helped.

          [–]ThunderinJaysus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the G--D--- BATGIRL!"

          [–]nurdboy42Batman 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They "fixed" it by removing the catalyst for the significant character development she would later experience...

          [–]TroyValiceShazam 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Holy Shit these coments

          [–]forkinanoutletFantomex -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Seriously, the best way to get /r/comicbooks to lose its collective shit is to say or do anything about Barbara and/or Joker in the Killing Joke.

          If you even insinuate that Babs was maaaayyyybeeeee raped juuuuust a little, you get people flipping out on both sides, yelling "ABSOLUTELY NOT SHE WAS NO WAY RAPED ALAN MOORE SAID SHE WASN'T" and people yelling "OBVIOUSLY SHE WAS RAPED THERE'S NO WAY THAT SHE WASN'T ALAN MOORE SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR HER TO BE NAKED."

          I mean, people are still slobbering and gnashing their teeth over that variant cover.

          [–]saint_godardAmbush Bug -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yep, discovered the backlash for myself today. Jesus.

          [–]Janagirl123 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I'm not surprised, just disappointed. Getting a lot of use of my RES tagging though!

          [–]L5DK1tty 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Tumbler People need to get over what happened to Bab's in The Killing Joke. Other female DC characters have had far more gruesome injures/deaths.

          [–]vadergeekMadman 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Really, it happens to everyone.

          [–]tekende 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          #yesallfictionalcharacters

          [–]Duffya 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Just reminded me:

          Remember in Winter Soldier how Black Widow disguised herself as that older world council lady and beat up, like, five guys before taking off her mask, but everyone thought that it was just the old lady at first?

          That was awesome.

          [–]TheGreenJuanBooster and Skeets 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Y'all mothefuckers need Booster Gold

          [–]ax105Spider Jeruselem 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I do not understand why so many people are upset that this didn't play out in a different fashion. It was absolutely pivotal to the story and made one of the most impactful comic moments of all time. Not everything is cheery and positive in the world and this is a perfect reflection of that in only a few panels- Bad things happen to good people. We feel disgusted by this- that is exactly the point! We shouldn't try to censor it or try to make the situation better than it was. Barbara Gordon underwent one of the most traumatic events imaginable, but what truly makes her such an amazing character is how she conquered the adversity! The world is full of good things and the world is full of bad things, don't try to undermine that by shielding reality in a politically correct shroud.

          [–]ax105Spider Jeruselem 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          ....and before anyone goes on to reply to this saying how it is sexist that it happened to a female character... that's exactly the point of the panel. It mortifies the audience to have to bear witness to such action and pushes Jim Gordon's chivalrous and paternal sense of sanity to the absolute limit. The same thing happening to a son and mother would have just the same exact effect.

          [–]saint_godardAmbush Bug -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          The vengeful downvoting in this thread is hilarious, by the bye. Feel validated yet?

          [–]SulusLaughAgent 355 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          She should have tossed the coffee in his face, really.

          [–]SmoothRideTony Chu -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I always wondered what the hell that second barrel on that gun is suppose to be.

          [–]cole1114The Question 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's where the thing that pushes spent casings out is housed.

          [–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

          One is for the gimmick Bang! flag when he decides to be silly

          Or when he plays a joke and pulls the trigger after you sigh relief

          [–]FrancisCastiglione12Jesse Custer 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

          It pushes out the empty brass casings.

          [–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'd always heard the bang flag thing back in the day

          Also all revolver casings stay in the cylinder chamber afaik the slug flies out the barrel

          [–]FrancisCastiglione12Jesse Custer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          On older cowboy revolvers, there is a little hatch-door thing behind the cylinder, where you put in or remove rounds. I have owned one of these guns.

          [–]Zand_KilchProfessor Pyg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I dig but even in KJ after he pulls the cowl over Batman's eyes in the end, he clicks and a bang flag gun is involved when it's empty iirc, and with how anal Moore is over his scripts I doubt the assault gun was any different from the end one, though it's been a few years since I read it

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