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The New Narrative. SJWs declare gaming has "finally grown up" (self.KotakuInAction)

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There are a ton of articles coming out pushing the narrative that this E3 was groundbreaking and finally showed that gamers are "growing up" and accepting women and that it was a renaissance of female protagonists. And if you recall last year's E3 it was slammed for lacking diversity by just as many sites. Well there is an interesting comparison (that some of you probably have seen) that shows the level of narrative-pushing and bias going on here.

Big productions with a female lead only

E3 2015: Mirror’s Edge: Catalyst, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Horizon.

E3 2014: Mirror’s Edge: Catalyst, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Alien: Isolation, Bayonetta 2.

Smaller productions with a female lead only

E3 2015: Michonne, Recore, Nier, Beyond Eyes, Adr1ft, Tacoma

E3 2014: Infamous: First Light, Life is Strange, Dreamfall Chapters, Murasaki Baby, Night in the Woods, Roundabout, Velocity 2X, A Hat in Time

Games with selectable gender of the protagonist

E3 2015: Fable Legends, Battlecry, The Division, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Dishonored 2, FIFA 16, Fallout 4, Halo 5: Guardians, XCOM 2

E3 2014: Fable Legends, Battlecry, The Division, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Evolve, Bloodborne, Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare, Dead Island 2, Destiny, Splatoon, Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Hyrule Warriors, Fantasy Life, Xenoblade Chronicles X

You see, they have changed their tune, because they know that can't get the narrative across that gamers are terrible and misogynistic. So they are saying that gaming has been "saved" and it has "seen the light." Basically, they want everyone to think that it was terrible and was not diverse up until this point, but the SJWs have changed us. That way they can re-write history and act as if we somehow adopted their way of thinking. Gaming stood on its own and spat in the face of these SJWs. And not just male gamers, but gamers from all walks of life. We called them out and showed these journalists to be the dickheads that they are. So, if we are going to be a hero, they will turn us into THEIR hero. To save face.

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[–]Limon_Lime7-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 201ポイント202ポイント  (2子コメント)

They are parasites. Nothing new.

[–]95wave 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are all parasites, this can not be stressed enough. All of their bullshit is their sick twisted way of trying to justify it, which makes them all the more pathetic.

[–]md1957 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not just parasites. They're wannabe-Minitrues. If the facts and realities on the ground don't conform to the narrative, either they spin them out of existence or outright make shit up in the hopes that people would listen and believe.

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer 90ポイント91ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nothing new from them. They'll change the narrative however they can to "win." Anything for those clicks right?

[–]Limon_Lime7-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

And we shouldn't let them get away with it. Most of the articles I've seen claiming this, the comments are usually calling them out which is a nice sign.

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, and it's a good thing non-GG people are calling them on it. The more people realize it, the better off everyone will be. Can't wait for these sites to disappear and let people who truly love gaming step up to the plate.

[–]SegregationForever 52ポイント53ポイント  (23子コメント)

The reason why they always have these huge mishaps and inaccuracies is because they're not gamers and their audience isn't composed of gamers either.

I mean, look at all of these embarrassments in the past couple of weeks alone:

Finally Lara Croft has a coat! We did it!

She's had a coat in five other Tomb Raider games.

Finally gay relationships and gay marriage are possible in games!

Fallout 2 had gay marriage. You can be gay in Dragon Age if you want. You can go on a gay date in FF7.

Finally we have some female protagonists!

OP covered this well, but it's completely ridiculous in the first place. The number of games that allow you to choose a female protagonist are vastly disproportionate to the number of women who play AAA games. Men who play AAA games outnumber women seven to one, yet female protagonists have always been far more than seven to one. Gamers don't care if the protagonist is male or female for the most part. We just want good games.

They lie because they think they can get away with it. They lie because any criticism against their ideas is now swiftly labeled as harassment. They're pathological liars whose entire ideology relies on these lies.

[–]Alzael 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Finally gay relationships

Fear Effect had two lesbian mains,and lesbian sex scenes.

Not that they ever even touched a PSOne game before.

[–]BigYellowDeathBullet 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lesbians don't count, you know that.

[–]IniquitousSicarius 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well, gay in a Nintendo game is a little new.

[–]davidsredditaccount 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yoshi's girlfriend is birdo, who is, according to the manual, a cross dresser.

So gay dinosaur/birdthing has been in Nintendo for like 20 years.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I seem to recall Nintendo explicitly not putting them in Harvest Moon years ago

[–]WouldYouBanAGayGuy 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uh... Harvest Moon isn't made by NIntendo. You're thinking of Natsume.

Correction: Published by Natsume. If the Wikipedia article is to be trusted, Marvelous Interactive is the dev and then it has several different publishers. Oh wow, it would appear that Harvest Moon is tossed around in terms of who develops and publishes. Never knew that. Growing up I always thought it was Natsume.

[–]Crap4Brainz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Natsume did the international version. They also own the rights to the name.

The latest HM is published under the name "Story of Seasons" (which is a direct translation of its Japanese name)

[–]VectorDotZero 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was that Nintendo or Natsume?

http://gamepolitics.com/2014/06/13/natsume-considering-same-sex-marriages-future-harvest-moon-games

[–]Shippoyasha 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's more that they refused to acknowledge any kinds of sexuality than actually edging out homosexuality. I think people confuse that with them actually being homophobes. Which they are not.

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Men who play AAA games outnumber women seven to one, yet female protagonists have always been far more than seven to one. Gamers don't care if the protagonist is male or female for the most part. We just want good games.

Men especially prefer female protagonists in 3rd person perspective games because they don't want to be staring a guy's ass for 40+ hours.

So when does their catch-22 come full circle and it becomes "problematic" and "exploitative" that men are actually using the female characters that would then make up the majority of protagonists?

[–]SupremeReader 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

they don't want to be staring a guy's ass for 40+ hours.

Unless it's Metal Gear.

[–]pieuvre776 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Snake definitely qualifies for "dat ass"

[–]BigYellowDeathBullet 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

MGS4 had those amazing techno Spanx.

[–]2112mon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you played Ground Zeroes? Snake's ass in the new engine is perfect.

[–]Goomich 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Men especially prefer female protagonists in 3rd person perspective games because they don't want to be staring a guy's ass for 40+ hours.

And that's why Kane and Lynch 2 is only

[–]eyeballfrog 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

A gay date in FF7

That was a pretty platonic "date".

[–]Solace1 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The others were too, in my memories

[–]SupremeReader 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cloud: ...

[–]Homer00025 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That says it all really.

[–]ithinkineedanap 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

. Gamers don't care if the protagonist is male or female for the most part. We just want good games.

One study that looked at school aged kids (middle school and high school) found otherwise, but not how you'd expect. While middle school boys were more preferential to playing as males, among high school kids, 60% of girls preferred a female avatar while only 40% of boys preferred a male. Between middle and high school, the number of boys preferring a female doubled, from about 7% ro 15%, but the number of girls preferring a male stayed the same, at around 6%. (The remaining were impartial.)

So the argument that there should be more women in games is valid, there should be, but the problem isn't that males are keeping women out or don't want to play as females, but that female gamers are more preferential to playing as their own gender. It's the females that are more discriminating.

[–]pieuvre776 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Source? I'd love to take a look at this in detail.

[–]ithinkineedanap 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was "released" as a presentation of their findings (dat comic sans).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/257893404/Wiseman-and-Burch-GDC-2015-study

I'm not sure if they've since released the full report.

[–]DoctorBarkanine 47ポイント48ポイント  (2子コメント)

Incoming C.S. Lewis Quote:

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

This also isn't the first time the "games need to grow up" schtick has been trotted out, and it's not gonna be the last time, either.

[–]Vereling 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reading that was incredibly cathartic. Thank you.

[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 85ポイント86ポイント  (8子コメント)

It means they want out of the war they started. Like bush declaring victory

[–]BoringSupreez 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

Someone photoshop a #GamerGateIsOver onto the "Mission Accomplished" photo already.

[–]Hurlyburly3 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm surprised this didn't happen 9 months ago

[–]ElementOfConfusion 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It did. Saw it a week or two after GG started.

[–]Goomich 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or Anita over Bush

[–]kalphis 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

They know they attacked the wrong people and it's gonna backfire soon.

[–]Steampunk_Moustache 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly how Atheism+ played out; declaring victory in the form of an irrelevant cluster of blogs that all circle jerk eachother - a self-contained little bubble.

[–]student28567271 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Look, gaming grew up, and it's all thanks to us! Find my patreon below."

[–]thesquibblyone 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't believe more people aren't spilling spaghetti over this. I mean, it's an emergency motherfucking exit strategy.

[–]guy231 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've realized they don't have the power to move AAA. Up 'till E3, the status quo in AAA was unacceptable and a defacto concession to gamergate. Since E3, they've had to redefine the status quo as victory.

[–]nodeworx 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Disengagement maneuver after the recent beat-downs that in their minds will allow them to claim some sort of nebulous victory about having positively affected gaming.

tl:dr; A huge steaming pile of bovine excrement

[–]voidborn 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of the ol' "Mission Accomplished".

[–]TheRealEnticerLeader of Gamergate #11 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

They need an exit strategy, right?

[–]Chad_Nine 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Games have girls now! That's grown up! Yucky Goobergrapers! Nanny nanny boo boo! 3-2-1 NOT IT!

[–]todiwan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

what the fuck am I reading

[–]pieuvre776 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

An incredibly accurate translation of what aGG is saying.

[–]wrathborne 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gaming grew up years ago, these people haven't.

[–]Thishorsesucks 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are they lacking so little awareness, that they don't even realize we've had female protagonists before?

[–]kamon123 21ポイント22ポイント  (3子コメント)

We've had more female protags at e3 last year than this year.

[–]TwilightShadow1 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

But the chocolate rations have been increased! They told me so!

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's give a round of applause to our comrades at the Ministry of Plenty!

[–]Thishorsesucks 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly! Were these people born yesterday? ....don't answer that.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

We should call this out at every opportunity, too.

The only victory condition is SJWs being shown up as bigots and liars and hypocrites to the entire world, so they become unemployable at anything except minimum wage jobs.

Nothing less will do.

[–]GGBigRedDaddy 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is that for a time their tactics were working. The term SJW becoming mainstream is a huge accomplishment. It communicates a lot about a person and how to deal with them and how much to trust them. For me, I hope over time they will learn to be better people. We've seen some come around, I suspect many left quietly. There is still hope for them in my opinion.

[–]md1957 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's also true however that those same tactics are backfiring with greater force than ever. More people are seeing those snake-oil salesmen for who they are.

[–]Iconochasm 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that the people who leave quietly tend to be the moderates.

[–]Wylanderuk 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know why they are claiming select your gender games as a victory condition because its been fucking well ignored by them for a long time...

But then the only consistent thing about them is how big a cunt they can be so I am not that surprised...

[–]rjep2 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh thank god for progressives, I didn't know how something I enjoyed for decades was terrible. I think I should go and thank them, point me to the patreon somebody.... give me a break.

[–]pantsfish 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://web.archive.org/web/20130321064024/http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/games-with-female-heroes-dont-sell-because-publishers-dont-support-them

According to a study done in 2012, about 45% of action, RPG, and shooter games had playable females.

Anyway, it'd be super-interesting if you could do a similar female count in the 2013 and 2012 E3's

[–]ShadowShadowedDocumented "The Sir Keesian Method" 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

These charlatans must truly think we're all just a bunch of dumb prey, ready to furnish them with praise and wealth. Their lies are outrageous and are called out on it time and time again. I see no end to their intrusions until we have starved out each and every single weed choking out our community. Deny them clicks, deny them comforts, and deny them favors.

[–]roganth 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hope my graphics card can handle the extra jiggle-physics

[–]codeGrit 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

First off, this is where I'd usually quote C.S Lewis.

But with that said, games will never be "grown up" if SJW keep flipping their lids over games attempting to broach sensitive topics. Just look at mechanical apartheid. So long as that reaction, from a lot of the loudest voices in the industry, continues to exist games never "grow up" in the way art, movies, and (to a degree) TV has.

[–]Yesofcoursenaturally 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically, they want everyong to think that it was terrible and was not diverse up until this point, but the SJWs have changed us. That way they can re-write history and act as if we somehow adopted their way of thinking.

They couldn't change anyone's minds about anything in any substantial way, so instead they're pointing at popular games that are going to come out (and have been planned to come out for a long time, in some cases) and saying 'This. We did this.'

SJWs are all about symbolism and image. If they have to lie to make themselves look more prominent than they are, they'll do exactly that.

[–]deejrandom 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course, this is a sentiment we've heard countless times before as well. Gaming has grown up at least 10 times in my life...

[–]mancubus314159 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because we are constantly grinding XP.

[–]GooberGobias 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mixed feelings here: I'm glad they're changing their tune, I'm disgusted that they're claiming victory, but also I'm not gonna be satisfied until they recant their criticisms of Witcher 3 and Deus Ex. These games are both diverse as fuck and shining paragon fucking examples of a mature gaming industry making mature games that explore mature topics maturely. The immature people are the ones whining about these games, not gamers.

[–]UAZaqwert 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every teenager on facebook knows this trick, when you're losing an argument online you just loudly declare yourself the winner and then disappear.

They know their phony narrative has gotten destroyed and are now trying to use reality as "proof" they effected some sort of change, when in reality nothing has changed. The "problem" was make believe. It was never cured because it was never there.

[–]TorgoForever 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

So we're doing Film Roberto Gamers Are Not Dead backpedaling. They took a route we laughed off when it first showed up unironically. What a bunch of losers.

[–]kalphis 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

[–]chucks47 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

The funny one is they always show Lara Croft as the image of this "new era".

What's the longest we have ever went went without a Tomb Raider since 1996? 3,4 years? She never left.

[–]bastardblaster 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

None of them have been playing video games that long.

[–]Steampunk_Moustache 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Old lara was muhsoggyknee because she had the temerity to have large breasts and a slender waist.

[–]JesterOfFire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny when they try and move the goalposts and can't even do THAT right.

[–]kfms6741VIDYA AKBAR 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol they're trying to weasel their way out of this clusterfuck that they started, and it's obvious.

[–]throwaway-rnd-34uih 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eject eject!

-Game JournalistsBloggers

[–]wowww_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Doom needs to create a patch with a female protagonist just because

[–]neogag 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That would put SJWs in a tight spot, actually, since they already trashed the game and completely dismissed its validity.

Imagine if they reveal it has a female protag. Their heads will explode.

[–]Pointless_arguments 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah they'd just say that she was a "man with boobs" or a "fighting fucktoy".

[–]Nutlink77 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I'd actually like that. Male, female, it doesn't matter as long as I get to shoot up some demons again. Make Dooms ending similar to Metroid back in '86 while having the protagonist protecting a little bunny would make me squeal with joy of 30 years of gaming memories.

[–]Aurondarklord 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well they have to spin their obvious E3 fail SOMEHOW.

[–]bunnymud 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

After watching Queen Anita fail so hard with her agenda they had to spin it somehow into something remotely palatable to them

[–]Clockw0rk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember ladies and gents, it's not enough to drive them back into surrender.

This is a scourge. They must be driven out from the industry they attempted to poison, lest history repeat itself.

Redemption is not free. Forgiveness must be earned. Villainy that is not punished will inevitably cause disorder again.

[–]Datawych 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm, saying gamers are racist, misogynistic assholes doesn't seem to be working anymore... What new way can we mooch off of an industry that we know absolutely nothing about?

[–]Talexis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck planet are these delusional fuck heads living on seriously?

[–]evilplushie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This really means nothing. They'll be more than willing to throw games under the bus again anytime they need clicks

[–]Paitryn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

personally i take it as an admission of defeat. why? this year was actually one of the worst for female protagonists in comparison to years where it wasn't even considered an issue and they simply arent making any headway in the industry. Their sjw titles are in the toilet and the indie community is being burned to the ground. Sadly before all this shit went down, it was the AAA titles we had issues with. Still do mind you, just seem so small in comparison.

[–]Keorythe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Grown up is subjective. They used that term when gaming first started becoming mainstream. Then they used it when it started moving into eSports. Then they wanted to use it when games started to get artsy. Now they're using it to show women are playing games.

This is the definition of "moving goal posts".

They'll keep using that phrase to show that gaming is childlike and it needs to mature into their current narrative.

[–]General_Urist 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gaming grew up ages ago. It's the SOCJUS that need to mature now.

[–]Nerx 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Gaming came along before those fucks were even born

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hmm, you seem to have been shadowbanned.

You'll need to talk to the admins to see about getting it lifted.

I've approved your post.

[–]GiantRagingBurner 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Manufactured. Narrative. I mean, how is it news, at this point? It's following the Kotaku 12-Step Program to the letter.

Step 1: Gamers Are Dead

Step 2: Gamers Are Really Dead. Like Ten Times As Dead.

Step 3: Gamers Are Also Racist, Now, For Some Reason

Step 4: No, Seriously, We Aren't The Bad Guys; Gamers Are!

Step 5: Sexually exploit naive female game devs

Step 6: Did We Mention How We're Not Bad Guys?

Step 7: Collusion

Step 8: Hire some of my friends, who got fired at other publications. Journalistic qualifications? I don't even know the meaning of the word.

Step 9: Lawsuit

Step 10: Oh god. Oh please.

Step 11: Getting fucked hard, but you forgot the safe word

Step 12: It's Okay, Evil Scumbag Gamers! We Love You Again! Please Let Us Be Relevant Again!

[–]95wave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

so journos have stockholmes syndrome?

[–]horrorpastry 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have to push this as the story. Otherwise they have no answer for why the supposedly misogynistic gamers weren't complaining about the presence of so many female characters at E3.

[–]CrashedonMars 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://i.imgur.com/ZdN6jyI.jpg

[–]DanteFTW 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

sounds like their giving up without saying their giving up

[–]EdiX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You forgot Dark Souls 3 in the third list.

[–]TacoNinjaSkills 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought dead things couldn't grow up?

[–]ParasiteSteve 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if gaming has grown up, I guess there's nothing for them to crusade for anymore and they can pack it in. Good to know they'll all be buying all these new games in droves, easily eclipsing any other demographic right?

[–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

WHY ARE YOU YELLING?

[–]arbitor365[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

When I copy and pasted from another site the "-" symbols I used to seperate the lines and make it more legible caused the formatting on reddit to go haywire and make everything all caps.

[–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, that makes sense then. Carry on :D

[–]feared_rear_admiral 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

XCOM has about the best gender representation of what I've seen in video games, hands down. No bullshit boob armor and fanservice crap, just men and women as soldiers, scientists and engineers. And yet it's nowhere to be found as a positive example in the past 10 months. The game (the new one anyway) came out 3 years ago.

Aside from that, I find it annoying to see how some games are featured twice at the E3. Like Mirror's Edge and The Division and so on being up on 2014 and 2015. What the hell is the point of that? Announce the damn game, show it off and then sell it! In times like these I really appreciate how Firaxis does it. They come with a big announcement and lots of gameplay footage and information, and it's coming out in 6 months. Not bullshit hype building for years and years.

[–]SupremeReader -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

bullshit boob armor and fanservice crap

Oh fuck off. This was a game Julian Gollop designed as a spiritual successor to his 1994 original X-COM:

https://www.retrogamecases.com/wp-content/uploads/rebelstar_tactical_command_alt_front_front.jpg

https://playwhatyoulikesrpgreviews.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/rebelstar_tactical_command_gez_fry_character_jorel_ruby_art.jpg

[–]feared_rear_admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah so? It's not XCOM. More specifically I was talking about the recent one by Firaxis, not the series as a whole.

Not sure what you're trying to prove by pointing to another game made by someone else.

[–]SupremeReader -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

OK then, the new game is full of "bullshit armor". It's juvenile science fiction where the designers even went on record saying they wanted to make the soldiers look like action figures. Complete with colorful anti-camoflage costumes with huge (also colorful) flags.

[–]feared_rear_admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

What on Earth are you on about? All I said was that I felt it handled the sexes well - the outfits people wear aren't sexualised, there's a professional tone to everything, women aren't damsels etc.

If you don't like the aesthetic of XCOM: Enemy Unknown then that's your beef man.

[–]SupremeReader 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

the outfits people wear aren't sexualised

isn't there a "boob plate"?

there's a professional tone to everything

Huh?

women aren't damsels

It was a while ago but I'm pretty sure I rescued a plenty of female civilian "damsels" and also some female VIP "damsels".

[–]borizz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You rescued even more male damsels. van Doorn, Marazuki, Carlock and Thorne are all male. There's 1 female VIP in Enemy Unknown (Anna Sing), and she's replaced in Enemy Within (Anette Durand, who is a psionic badass, hardly a damsel).

Boob plate got removed in the Enemy Within expansion. http://i.imgur.com/FZa7b5q.jpg

[–]Steampunk_Moustache 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's a handheld game aimed at kids. Neither the man or the woman looks like a soldier. They've been designed to look fashionable and cool.

It's every day trendy clothing with shoulder pads and giant gloves and boots, that's all.

[–]SupremeReader 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

They've been designed to look fashionable and cool.

Just like XCOM pseudo-soldiers. Complete with paint-me-any-color and the lack of helmets.

aimed at kids.

You think anything X-COM was ever mature?

[–]Steampunk_Moustache [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

the lack of helmets.

Xcom had helmets.

You think anything X-COM was ever mature?

It's aimed at substantially younger kids than the Xcom games and you know it.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this post:

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

[–]MagicMangoMan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Leeching off of others hard work? Sounds like them allright!

[–]sexy_mofo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? I thought GamerGate set gaming back by five centuries or some shit

[–]Unheroic_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

News at eleven.

[–]mansplain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

if this is actually a thing that is happening some people are in for a very rude awakening.

[–]Kimqwerty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dreamfall Chapters is not a female lead only game. It has both a female and male lead you control in different parts of the game.

[–]boredagain_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

FailFish

[–]DarkPhoenix142 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they're just saying they won, they didn't actually win.

[–]bionic86 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So.. they want to think they won? Shit, let em think that. I'm not in this to save face, I just want good devs to make good games.

[–]Fuzzyhammers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of the Catholic church and evolution.

[–]Fabbubot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really hasnt, if anything vidya grew up after 3d graphics became viable.

[–]poloppoyop 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is worse than that.

Making a game does take years. If you want a good female lead, you can't just replace a male one and put a female in its place. You have to get a good story, maybe redo some animation, add some character and equipment models redone. So if this E3 had a lot more female characters, it would be the result of decisions taken at least 2 or 3 years ago. Ergo even if it was not PR, it would not be the result of this year barrage of shit.

[–]DwarfGate 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

These losers are useless as all hell and have a Messiah complex. Nothing has changed since they started their braindead crusade, they just want to win. They will lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and lie, and then claim they won even if that in and of itself is a lie.

At the end of the day numbers cannot lie. SJW game devs go broke, SJW journalists go broke, and whenever they try to push their bullshit political agenda on people they're met with a wall of facts and criticism and they run home with their tails between their legs screaming "harassment".

[–]randomcallsign 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

nothing changes
"gaming has grown up"

nice b8 i r8 8/8

[–]ggdsf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe this will make them finally fuck off?

[–]Sordak 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes me mad.

So there are female characters now. They declare it as their win. this makes me angry. You didnt do any of that. Nothing.

If anything, it proves youre a bunch of liars. Your entire narrative is now bullshit. And to top it all of, even if all those games now have female characters, you still complain about them, proving that youll never be satisfied.

FUck this shit. You dont get to claim that this is somehow your doing when it evidently isnt.

[–]EssBen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even ignoring the fact they there were more female game stars last year when we were all supposedly full on shitlord. They don't realise quite how long these titles were in production for before the SJW hate mob arrived in town.

[–]LeMoineFou 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amazing how much they've achieved in 12 months. For example, Lara Croft is now a woman. Bravo, Ghazi. Bravo.

[–]MySidesTheyAreGone 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You see, they have changed their tune, because they know that can't get the narrative across that gamers are terrible and misogynistic. So they are saying that gaming has been "saved" and it has "seen the light."

I don't see that. What I do see coming from their side in general is the idea that gaming has grown up and therefore isn't targeted to the people who have identified with the word "gamer" up until now - it has switched to a different audience. Which is a completely random claim unsupported by anything, as your post shows; the entire point is to pretend that gaming now belongs to the SJWs in order to convince game makers to pander to their wacky interests.

Edit: btw, thanks for the comparison. I would add that any game that has appeared on this E3 must have been in development since a long time before GG existed (probably 2012 - 2013), so their argument can be rejected as 100% pure unadulterated high-grade bullshit without even looking at the games. There's no chance at all any of those games have been changed significantly during the last 10 months as long as we're talking about the base design (who's the hero protagonist etc.).

[–]Biittersteel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can that is dead grow?

[–]Drakaris 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bayonetta 2

No, no, nooo... She's too sexy. Sexual objectification of the privileged entitled toxic masculine white male gamers, HELLOOO?!? Until she is dressed properly like a decent woman in a full-body burqa, this game is sexist!

P.S. And put a helmet on her head, will ya? Her eyes are too pretty, gotta hide them too.

[–]MouseStick 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just one note: I wouldn't put Recore in the "smaller production" section. Looks like MS is highly banking on this game or otherwise it woudn't have gotten a premade CGI trailer before they have anything to share.

[–]arbitor365[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

lots of smaller games get CGI trailers. Shadow of the Beast on PS4 got an amazing pre rendered trailer but it is a side scroller. The Recore trailer didnt scream "high budget"

[–]Arkonisas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Less than a year to fix an entire industry ? Yeah...

[–]IIHotelYorba 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what these people do.

Feminists fought MRAs tooth and nail over several issues they denied existed, as they love to do. Eventually proof comes out and the narrative moves along, and there was no way to deny men faced said problems anymore. Everything dies down for a while.

Months later, you see feminists actually talking about these same issues ...now claiming feminism is the group fighting those problems, and naturally, that they are caused by patriarchy.

Zero, ZERO shame.

[–]WulfwoodsSins 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry for being nitpicky, but in H5:Guardians, you only get to select your character in the campaign if you're playing co-op online and not the host. Being the host or playing single player, you will always be playing as Locke or Chief (which, personal opinion, kinda sucks, I've always liked Kelly/Linda, and Vale/Tanaka seem pretty cool).

Counterpoint, to that though, you've been able to choose from female or male Spartans for online multiplayer since Halo 3.

/halofanboyrantover

[–]BoxworthNCSU 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mirror's edge- the sequel to the first game, which featured an exclusively female lead? This now doesn't even make sense.

[–]NixonForBreadsident 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

finally grown up

So the dead rise?

[–]Kar98_Byf42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was able to select between characters of different races and from both genders even in the very first video game I've ever played, Manic Mansion.

[–]BtothejizA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Might be a good thing. Now that they've "won" they can go away.

[–]Black_Snooty26k moon-rune get! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We did it Reddit!