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CENSORSHIP[Censorship] Apple Removes All American Civil War Games From the App Store "...because it includes images of the confederate flag used in offensive and mean-spirited ways." (toucharcade.com)

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[–]ashlaaaaay 549ポイント550ポイント  (75子コメント)

If Apple's serious about social justice, they should focus on making sure their factory workers have good working conditions and pay, not use conflict minerals in their products, and pay their taxes.

[–]DeadGamerWalking 199ポイント200ポイント  (30子コメント)

nah,they rather indoctrinate hippies with pandering like this rather than doing actual change.

[–]ShouldBe_Working 30ポイント31ポイント  (8子コメント)

DO NOT VOTE ON /u/IBATHEINMALETEARS Its a troll account forsure.

Ignoring is your best weapon to fight these people.

[–]Xenoprimate 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Poe's Law is strong in that one.

[–]ShouldBe_Working 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if this person is sincere,

Ignoring them is still the best option.

[–]hastensang 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Except he is highly upvoted in several SRS subs, doubt he is trolling.

[–]ShouldBe_Working 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

The account is 4 days old spewing shit in places they know it will get downvoted to hell. Not worth writting these words or yours over.

[–]Doyle524 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Honestly though, when I first browsed SRS comments, I felt the need to make my conflicting opinion heard...

[–]ShouldBe_Working [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's called Anger,

Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering :)

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    [–]Madlutian [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Isn't Apple's motto, "Pander, don't fix"? Or am I just mistaking their motto for their actions?

    [–]OneOfDozens 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Who do you really think is supporting something this stupid?

    I've yet to see one comment anywhere saying great job apple.

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      [–]pyfrag 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

      But those things cost money. Felating the censorship cock is free and, it like, feels good man.

      [–]GirlbeardJ 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      But...but...muh profits!

      [–]BurnerNumber3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Why do things like actually care about those third world factory workers when you can get an indulgence for your sins by appeasing the SJW crowd?

      Why do things like not sell to countries that still have laws allowing you to stone gay people when you can freak out about some relatively minor law in a midwestern state somewhere?

      It goes on and on.

      [–]downcastbass [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      They arent serious about social justice. They're serious about making sure they aren't the TARGET of social justice....

      [–]rms141 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Apple has gone mildly SJ under Tim Cook. Hiring Lisa Jackson, aka Richard Winsor, was a huge red flag in that regard.

      [–]richmomz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      It's way cheaper pandering to hipster sensitivities, though.

      [–]malvekiar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Let 'em know, go to http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunes.html and Request an Application. Tell Apple just how ridiculous this is.

      [–]SonOfJokeExplainer 8ポイント9ポイント  (18子コメント)

      Apple has done a lot to improve working conditions for factory workers. They can't easily fix a foreign culture, however. They're also very transparent about their efforts to improve working conditions as well as their efforts to reduce their reliance on conflict minerals. As for paying their taxes, are you suggesting that Apple pay more taxes than they owe by law?

      FWIW, I think removing anything containing the confederate flag from the App Store is moronic.

      [–]perfectJigaboo 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

      How do those boots taste

      [–]SonOfJokeExplainer 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

      If you can't handle factual information because it doesn't match with your beliefs, then you're the one with a problem, not me.

      [–]perfectJigaboo [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

      By factual information you mean corporate propaganda directly from the source? Don't worry about their mistreatment of workers overseas, guys, there's a page on their website that says their working on it.

      [–]SonOfJokeExplainer [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      There's plenty of independent analyses of Apple's efforts if you could be arsed to look into the matter rather than blindly believing whatever you're told.

      [–]ksheep [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Not to mention that the majority of the issues reported occurred at Foxconn factories, and Apple is not the only customer of Foxconn. Other companies that have products produced at these factories include Acer, Amazon, Blackberry, Cisco, Dell, Google, HP, Microsoft, Nintendo, Nokia, Sony, Toshiba, Vizio, and many others. Why is the blame placed on Apple when they A: don't have any direct control over how this supplier operates, and B: they are only one of dozens (if not hundreds) of clients that use this supplier?

      EDIT: Put another way, this would be like solely blaming Ford for the recent airbag recall instead of Takata (the manufacturer of the faulty airbags), despite the fact that these faulty airbags were found in Ford, Honda, Infiniti, Lexus, Mazda, Chevy, BMW, Toyota, etc. cars.

      [–]mscomies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Foxconn may be contractors, but Apple is by far their largest client. A company the size of Apple can not simply be ignored.

      [–]captmarx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      We're not blaming apple. We're blaming a social left that would rather e-picket offensive video games than do anything to help the plight of the workers who made their social justice social media devices. Because who wants to work hard for a just world with no guarantee of success when you can harass corporations into adopting political correctness and get the rush of success right away.

      [–]ksheep [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      Just wondering, is this "Apple mistreats their workers" based on the report that was later found to be partially fabricated, or is there some other source that I missed?

      [–]Homer00025 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

      So are you a spokesperson for Ap11e or just a fan, because if you have professional ties to the company it would be nice to know. If that's the case it would also be nice to get some official statement regarding the issue at hand.

      [–]ActualFrenchFag [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      It's easy to spot, Apple fanboys are more rabid than the standard shill, because they take criticism of Apple as criticism of themselves.

      [–]SonOfJokeExplainer 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

      See my other comment. Apple has released many official statements on these matters.

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        [–]PassionPitTime 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Hijacking top comment to say, "HOIST YE SHITLORDS! HOIST TO THE TOP OF /R/ALL!"

        [–]NSFWIssue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Yeah this at least is something we all can agree on

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          [–]MindsetRoulette [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          But do they have a Flag?

          [–]captmarx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          But that would involve these people actually knowing what social justice means.

          [–]qounqer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          The irony of apple engaging in the closest legal thing a modern corporation can do to slavery, while saying the Confederate flag is hate speech.

          [–]therealjgreens [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Its all a facade as well all know. Apps are customer facing. The workers are what we don't see. Apparently they think what we don't see on a regular basis might not necessarily exist.

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            [–]-Shank- 65ポイント66ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I can understand not glorifying what the flag stood for, but do we really need to censor it completely because "muh triggers?" This is getting fucking ridiculous.

            [–]Chronoblivion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            A game set in the Civil War is going to contain elements from the Civil War, including the Confederate flag. Portraying things as they were isn't an endorsement, and this is a concept most SJWs (and idiots in general) can't understand. It's the same as schools who ban Huck Finn because it contains the word "nigger," not realizing that the whole point of including it is to reinforce the anti-racist message of the book.

            [–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            This is the slippery slope that those of us completely dedicated to full, 100% freedom of speech and freedom of expression were afraid of; not government stripping away personal rights to wave whatever flag you damn well please (though that may be next), but the chilling effect against expression as dictated by corporate censorship.

            https://books.google.com/books?id=Yq_WAUXqRAEC&lpg=PA165&ots=waLiEKxxYS&dq=naomi%20klein%20no%20logo%20corporate%20censorship&pg=PA165#v=onepage&q=naomi%20klein%20no%20logo%20corporate%20censorship&f=false

            [–]Fat_Pony [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            This is the slippery slope that those of us completely dedicated to full, 100% freedom of speech and freedom of expression were afraid of; not government stripping away personal rights to wave whatever flag you damn well please (though that may be next), but the chilling effect against expression as dictated by corporate censorship.

            This guy fucking gets it.

            Think about it like this; monopolies are the natural state of business. Amazon, Google and now Apple have all already shown that they want to censor the confederate flag. If Amazon and Google censor it in their app stores, that is about 95% of the market share of phones.

            This is the real danger to freedom of speech.

            [–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            And I don't feel that the consequence should necessarily be government regulation; bullying corporations around, nah.

            I do believe in empowering the individual to strike out against said corporation "just because". We build alternatives to challenge them and beat them at their own game.

            Where such a strategy fails, however is that these monstrosities have no incentive to play by the rules, and thus run to the government in order to regulate the technologies and ideas behind companies that may challenge them in the future.

            This is why it's infuriating when people rag on ride sharing services in regards to safety/security, it's why it's infuriating when people say Bitcoin needs regulation because of drugs or other nonsense, it's infuriating when people say you need to be goddamn licensed to have a 3D printer because it could be used to print a gun or something equally ridiculous.

            All it's doing is centralizing that power into the hands of a few.

            [–]AlseidesDD 76ポイント77ポイント  (10子コメント)

            By what metric does Apple use to determine that product used the flag 'offensive and mean-spirited ways'? Is this another baby-talk for 'hate speech?

            Right, because denying acknowledgement of an important, if controversial, part of history by banning any media that contains it will amend the atrocities committed. Revisionism at its finest.

            [–]matthewhaleSurvived #GGinDC 2015 78ポイント79ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Apple doesn't use metric, they are an American company therefore use Imperial.

            [–]seifd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Kind of reminds me how in Germany you can't have games with a swastika, even if they take place during WWII and would be historically accurate.

            [–]E437BF7BD1361B58 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

            I am in favor of removing the Confederate flag from government buildings and symbols because the The Confederate States were a collection of political entities that rebelled against the legitimate government of the United States. They fought that war, lost, and were brought back into the fold. They shouldn't be allowed to keep, even symbolic, representations of their previous attempts to leave. You're part of the US (again), so you're going to act like it.

            But privately anyone should be free to use the Confederate flag or any flag they want. We allow Nazi flags too, which is representative of a far more hateful ideology. While Apple/Amazon/Walmart have a right to choose what to sell, they aren't making a good choice forcing political correctness on people. They aren't living up to the ideals of free expression that every platform and marketplace should strive for. Germany can't sell games with swastikas and it's a joke when you have a WWII game and they are conspicuously absent. The fact is, this flag was used in the Civil War. A game about the Civil War should have this flag, and this one which was the actual national flag of the Confederate States of America. The Stars and Bars was just a regimental battle flag.

            And on a pragmatic level it's a stupid move. The Confederate flag is also a symbol of rebellion and independence, so telling people they can't use or display it is a great way to encourage more people to do exactly that. You're going to get exactly the opposite effect you intended.

            [–]pkunkfury [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

            That's why I think the white house should fly the union jack.

            [–]E437BF7BD1361B58 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

            We would fly the Union Jack if the British had won the American War for Independence. But they didn't, so we don't.

            [–]pkunkfury [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

            We would fly the Union Jack if the British had won the American War for Independence. But they didn't, so we don't.

            I'm not talking woulda, I'm talking should-a. The US shouldn't be allowed to fly anything but the union jack, rebel scum.

            [–]yabbadabbadoo1 65ポイント66ポイント  (10子コメント)

            So there never was a civil war right? That's what is trying to be said now. What they hell are they suppose to put there instead?

            [–]RavenscroftRaven 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Smiley faces. Plusgood extrasmiles.

            There is no war in Ba Singh Se.

            [–]redobr 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Lets take a vacation at the lake

            [–]CcrraaiiggTT 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well, there's still places (assuming my information isn't incorrect/out of date, which it always could be) where they teach about the "War of Northern Aggression".

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              [–]Bugarup 49ポイント50ポイント  (13子コメント)

              It's amazing how quickly so many different people and corporations have banded together to eliminate the confederate flag from everything - removing Dukes of Hazzard merch from the shelves, cleansing the app store of civil war-themed games, and so on. Give it ten years or so and I bet kids won't even know that there was a civil war and everybody can rest that little bit easier knowing that all that ugly yucky history was sanitized to avoid upsetting modern sensibilities. /s

              [–]Derpsti 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Give it ten years or so and I bet kids won't even know that there was a civil war and everybody can rest that little bit easier knowing that all that ugly yucky history was sanitized to avoid upsetting modern sensibilities.

              You don't understand, everyone has to become equal and everything upsetting has to be purged from history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9n98SXNGl8

              [–]TwistedPerson [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              The Chinese attempted to wipe out their own history and culture so that they could all become equal and one both socially and financially.

              Let's all just take a moment to remember how that went for them.

              [–]Mech9k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              So many books that warned us what happens when this isn't stopped the moment it starts, and it just gets ignored. Or used as a guideline.

              Sigh.

              [–]the_nybbler 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

              It's almost like there's a conspiracy. But there's no such thing, right?

              [–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Not between the participants, no. The cultural Marxist press is using its most potent weapons, allegations of racism and complicity in crimes, and local governments and corps are playing it by standard marketing texts, bending to demands to make the controversy go away. If so much as one major participant Protein-Worlded the press, the environment of fear causing the concessions would be broken. All it takes is one of them to say no.

              [–]LWMR 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

              It's almost like there's a conspiracy. But there's no such thing, right?

              I encourage you to put the word "conspiracy" on hold - it's a label that tells me very little, and invites a lot of acrimonious debate as to whether or not something is a "conspiracy theory".

              Imagine instead that I invite you to come on a trip in my time machine. We'll go back to 1750, before there was a United States, and whoosh around the world, picking up a Japanese Catholic, a French Catholic, a Kongolese Catholic and a Brazilian Catholic.

              These four people can't be conspiring. The telegraph hasn't been invented yet, let alone the internet. It would take months for them to communicate at all, and none of them have ever seen the others. In fact the ones we picked up have never been outside their homeland before. Yet, accounting for language, all four will have very similar beliefs and will say a very similar creed. How can this be?

              Because the people in question are reading from the same script. They have a shared ideology. They recognize the same authority. If we dragged the four of them to Rome and the Pope ordered them to work together, they'd work together. Similarly with SJWs. There's lots of them in various places, they have a shared agenda, and they took the confederate flag moment as an instruction to start working together for a common purpose. No overt coordination was necessary, because they agreed so much. A little reporting on what the others were doing helps keep everyone operating on the same page without anyone having to explicitly tell anyone else what to do.

              [–]the_nybbler 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

              And on the other hand... JournoList / GameJournoPros. Sometimes the correct explanation for actions which appear co-ordinated is that they were co-ordinated.

              [–]AnghellicKarma 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              A week or two ago, your comment would belong in /r/conspiracy

              Sadly, it seems more like a given at this point now.

              [–]MonsterBlash [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              How can you feel morally superior if your own history has flaws in it?
              Just rewrite history.

              [–]Grampy_Bone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Under Common Core, it is forbidden to teach certain aspects of American History, calling it "privileged" information. They say it's unfair and offensive to immigrant children.

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                [–]Ghost5410 100ポイント101ポイント  (11子コメント)

                This is getting fucking ridiculous with this nonsense, which is what this whole debate is to start with. Nonsense.

                [–]CatboyMac [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

                nonsense, which is what this whole debate is to start with. Nonsense.

                Not entirely. The confederate battle flag should have never been allowed to be flown anywhere near a government building. It is appropriate for a game about the Civil War, though.

                [–]Ben_Afflock [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                The reason it flew on the SC Government grounds in the first place was because it flew over a monument to people who died defending the state under that particular flag.

                It wasn't flying as a symbol of racism. Flying that particular flag over the graves of soldiers who died under is entirely justified. But nobody wants to hear about the actual context of the SC flag and instead go 'rabble rabble rabble'.

                [–]bomi3ster [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                should have never

                Is your opinion, and not a fact. This is the problem when you cherry-pick when and where you impose your own morality. The fact is it was flown in government buildings. Pretending it wasn't does not change the past.

                [–]BuildYourComputer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                It was my understanding that it was never even used for the civil war, and that's why so many people are retracting it now. It wasn't a representation of the south, it was a representation of white supremacy.

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                  [–]GaryTheBum 61ポイント62ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  So.. let me guess. Next up will be removing any discussion about the civil war and censoring the confederate flag from text books because it may be too "triggering"?

                  [–]firex726 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  And let's not forget there are apps that have textbooks and history books in them, so are they going to pull those as well?

                  [–]gossipninjaArmed with PHP shurikens 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  can you buy "gettysburg" or "gods and generals" or "gone with the wind" on itunes?

                  What about books that mention the confederacy?

                  This rewriting of history, and the ease with which it is both done and championed is scary.

                  Reminds me of Stalin removing out-of-favor party members from the records/photos to push his views.

                  [–]lanadapter 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  So.. let me guess. Next up will be removing any discussion about the c**** w** and censoring the c********** f*** from text books because it may be too "triggering"?

                  FTFY

                  [–]Goomich 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  At least they have nothing against Terran C************ from Wing Commander.

                  Oh FFS!

                  [–]richmomz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Watch the Confed references - you're triggering the poor, oppressed Kilrathi.

                  [–]shifty313 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Wouldn't be surprising since they tried to do away with literature from authors such as Mark Twain.

                  [–]Dyalibya 78ポイント79ポイント  (37子コメント)

                  And I thought Apple couldn't get any worse, but you've got to give it to them, they know their audience

                  [–]Ghost5410 32ポイント33ポイント  (35子コメント)

                  Unfortunately, in this particular case, it's not Social Justice Warriors and the usual suspects here. This is the SC government that's causing it this time because they're blaming the recent shooting on the flag. The timing of this whole thing is too close for it to be coincidental for me.

                  [–]-Shank- 36ポイント37ポイント  (34子コメント)

                  The SC government is just the one bending to the outrage culture, it's most definitely SJWs as the catalyst behind all this.

                  [–]Ghost5410 43ポイント44ポイント  (17子コメント)

                  People have been wanting to remove the Confederate flag since forever. The shooting just gave them an excuse to do it.

                  [–]-Shank- 15ポイント16ポイント  (14子コメント)

                  The government would have done it a long time ago if it was that big an issue to them. The reason they're doing it now is because pro-censorship is playing on stereotypes and accusing the entire state of being tacit racists.

                  [–]primalchaos 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  While the South obviously has a long-standing problem with racism, I'm not gonna defend flying the flag as pride. I will, however, support flying the flag when you are depicting THE CIVIL WAR IN ART.

                  [–]Emptypiro 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  Even if it didn't have all the racial hatred tied to it, what business does a state have for flying the symbol of a rebel group that tried to rip the country apart.

                  Also you can't say that without acknowledging the fact that many of these states put up the flags as a protest against civil rights and desegreagation. sure the entire state is probably not racist but they flew those flags specifically to be racist and it doesn't help to better race relations in this country when you're flying the banner of racism.

                  [–]corban123 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  I really, really do not give a shit what those flags mean. This is the US, and in the US, you can fly whatever flag you want. Sure, may think the person who is flying it is a douchenozzle, and I won't respect him for it, but I will defend his right to fly whatever he wants. An asshole flying that flag is just that, an asshole, they aren't hurting anybody with their flag.

                  [–]Emptypiro [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  A private citizen can and should fly whatever flag he wants, i'm not denying that. but the state governments of 7 states have flags made to honor the confederate flag and there are state buildings flying those flags. that is what i'm against.

                  [–]-Shank- 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  they flew those flags specifically to be racist and it doesn't help to better race relations in this country when you're flying the banner of racism

                  You need to brush up on your Civil War history if you think it can be boiled down to a war between racists and non-racists.

                  [–]andlight91 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  It boiled down to the South wanting to have and own slaves and the North outlawing slaves.

                  [–]Emptypiro [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  It's a little more complicated than that but essentially it can be. Slavery was the single largest reason that the civil war started. had slavery not been an issue, none of those other reasons would have been enough for a state to secede. And it is ridiculous to think otherwise. it was a war over slavery and it's about time people stop denying that.

                  [–]ApplesandOranges420 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  I think he's referring to how the flag wasn't put up until 1960 to combat the civil rights movement.

                  [–]Homer00025 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                  Sorry, if your state government which is supposed to represent its people flies the confederate flag it is supporting a racist sentiment, and while of course not all people in the state are racist that's the message it sends. You can't claim "oh it's just for nostalgia, we only care about the "good" parts" when the history of the flag is steeped in racism and anti US government sentiment.

                  It's bonkers for Apple to remove games which use the flag to evoke connotations to the civil war, but it's just as bonkers to not see how a flag that is connected to the pro-slavery and pro-racism movement isn't a sign of endorsement for racists and a slap in the face to the citizicens that were and still are victims of such racism.

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                          [–]phantomtag2 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          This is insanity

                          [–]rottingchrist 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          This is why open platforms and standards are extremely important.

                          [–]Lurker906 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You have to be fucking shitting me. It's the Confederate flag, it was used by, you know, THE FUCKING CONFEDERATES!

                          [–]pooptarts 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I bought Ultimate General: Gettysburg on impulse during the last Steam Sale. It's the best game I've bought in the past year and it's an incredible shame that Apple has decided to remove it on this basis. The game is on Steam if you're looking for a good strategy game and if you want to support the developer.

                          And while we're on the topic of censorship, the mods of the games subreddit have removed links to this story for being "off topic" and for the self-promotion rule. I happened to find four separate instances but there may have been more.

                          https://archive.is/hxe6R

                          https://archive.is/OLVFq

                          https://archive.is/KBhCE

                          https://archive.is/XAb53

                          edit2: One of the links was restored, but it probably won't hit the top of the front page anymore because it's already 2 hours old.

                          edit: It seems the authors of this article are in some financial trouble. Give them some love if you can. Disable adblock, donate money, etc.

                          http://toucharcade.com/2015/06/22/toucharcade-needs-your-help-please-support-our-patreon/

                          [–]infernalmachine64 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          How is it off topic when it is an issue that is directly related to the game? Fucking sjw mods man. I bet they don't even play the game that they moderate the sub of.

                          [–]Snagprophet 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Aha this is amazing. The American Civil war is one of the most well known pieces of American only history. Now they've banned it, does America have any history?

                          [–]corruptigon2 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Silicon Valley hypocrisy at its best.

                          [–]lkjjkl77 54ポイント55ポイント  (22子コメント)

                          you americans are really fucked up.

                          [–]Revan232 29ポイント30ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          No. it's just that we have too many weaklings.

                          [–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 13ポイント14ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          As an American, god we need a plague...

                          [–]RavenscroftRaven 29ポイント30ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          Too bad, you get a plaque instead of a plague. It says "everyone's a winner, you participated!" and has gold-colored paint because using bronze is discriminatory.

                          [–]usul1628 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          One that only affects people who eat quinoa and kale more than once a week.

                          [–]Din182 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          My mother has pancreatitis, which quinoa actually helps with, so she eats it quite often. And one of my brothers is addicted to kale, so much that he actually named his first son after it.

                          [–]Vladimir_Is_Pootin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Someone in Colorado died from the plague.

                          [–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          We need something more powerful... Something transmitted by hair dye and fedoras.

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                            [–]UAZaqwert 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            The vast majority of people are pretty normal, for some reason the media and the college campuses are largely dominated by SJW lunatics these days.

                            [–]MonsterBlash [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            The "some reason" is "manufactured controversy, in the absence of actual real controversy, sells".
                            They are doing the "news as entertainment" thing to try and get viewership.
                            It's like playing heel with news.

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                              [–]maelfyn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Aren't nazi flags banned in Europe? Same shit.

                              [–]HighVoltLowWatt 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              No we are just doing what the European's did about references to Mein Kampf, Nazi memorabilia, and dogs named Adolf or Eva. Get out of here with that shit.

                              [–]CaesarCzech [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              "dogs named Adolf or Eva" I get Adolf but Eve or Eva is just too common Name and adolph too basically Gustav Adolph. etdc

                              [–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              We agree. So can we count on foreign support again if we can get our lardasses in the South armed and ready for battle?

                              [–]wallace321 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I'm not sure this is what anybody meant...

                              We've gone full bratwurst.

                              [–]beethovens_ear_horn 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              They're going to have to remove an awesome movie, then. https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/glory/id263384016

                              [–]furluge 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              Holy shit, remember how a while back there was talk that wargame developers like Hearts of Iron get worried about including Nazi logos for historical accuracy... and we all laughed and said it was ridiculous...

                              Shit... it's happening. Has apple already pulled WW2 stuff from their store?

                              [–]StJimmy92 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              Hearts of Iron doesn't include Nazi logos, though. They even banned mods from including them.

                              [–]Cbird54 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Those who don't know their past are doomed to repeat it. It's disturbing to me how we seem to be wanting to erase our history simply because some people find the past disturbing.

                              [–]mattinthecrown 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Well, that's impeccably retarded.

                              [–]lurkwellmyfriends 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              History isn't history. You see, in the Civil War no one was offensive or mean-spirited. Everyone was smiling and laughing while they were killing each other. Why did they fight? Well, no one really knows and it doesn't really matter - because, you know, history never repeats itself or anything. All that you need to know is that when Ulysses S. Grant defeated Robert E. Lee in a nice game of chess the matter was settled.

                              [–]Kar98_Byf42 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Next, they'll put Ken Burns up against the wall.

                              [–]descartessss 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              This is a joke. This is nazism burning books and rewriting history. I ask for the ban of schindler's list for nazism portrait. Again, don't by apple, they become the big brother they pretend to fight.

                              [–]Arkeld 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              So basically, the US is now doing the same thing that we have been ridiculing Germany for: censoring a flag. You still, to this day, cannot display a Nazi flag in a game in Germany, even if the game revolves around fighting said Nazis. This is a step into that direction.

                              [–]Mech9k [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                              I can understand why Germany has that ban.

                              Not that I agree with it, I personally think enough time has passed where it should be removed, or at least relaxed for things like games.

                              [–]Arkeld [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                              I never really understood it. What does it accomplish?

                              The very fact that the swastika was at one time a symbol of good fortune and then became a symbol of evil should make it apparent that it doesn't have any intrinsic meaning. It means different things to different people. So banning the symbol achieves nothing.

                              Furthermore, if you consider the people who would rally under a banner (be that a swastika, a conferdate flag, a hammer and sickle or any other such thing) to be a threat, does it not make sense to let them use that banner? At least then you know who's who. I'd rather face an enemy wearing a uniform than be attacked by people who blend into the crowd and I cannot fight back.

                              Edit: I can't shake the feeling that people who favor banning symbols are just putting their heads in the sand, thinking that if they can't see the symbol anymore, the ideology it stands for will also disappear. But of course, it won't.

                              [–]Mech9k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              All true, like I said, it's time for that ban to be removed. It no longer serves a purpose, and it would be best for it to be legal for the reason you said.

                              [–]kshade_hyaena 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Yep, it's a ridiculous double standard our courts and politicans apply to video games but not, for example, movies and sketch comedy series. Don't be like Germany.

                              I wonder if Apple allows Nazi insignia in the US app store.

                              [–]talones [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              The US Holocaust Museum has a Nazi Prpoganda exhibit. I assume over 1000 nazi symbols. These people would literally die from triggering in there. I guess us jews arent as touchy.

                              [–]Aaera 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              All I can say right now...

                              This is fucking disgusting. Everywhere I look, corporate fools censoring and banning anything they set their eyes on, with no regard for reason or justice.

                              The more it happens, the more other corporate fools catch onto the fad and propagate it themselves. With each wave of totalitarian censorship, it exponentially grows. I am utterly disgusted.

                              [–]CrazyCarl1986 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              I've been meaning to pick this game up, but I would have bought from Steam, not Apple Store. Has anyone played it?

                              [–]calle30 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Gettysburg ? I like it . Its good. Not your typical rts because units react and move like you would think they would back then.

                              [–]Clockw0rk 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              So the US is going to do for the Civil War what Germany did for World War II?

                              It's dumb, but it's not the first time this has happened.

                              Next stop: The south was just on vacation.

                              [–]cockshittingmanatee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              This is getting ridiculous.

                              [–]szopin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              Time for a remake of North & South (without the south)

                              [–]Polardice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              what the hell? it's not like the civil war never happened.

                              Next: all movies about the civil war and World War II will be banned because of confederate flags and swatiskas portrayed

                              [–]Cbird54 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              This is exactly where I was afraid this was heading. They're going to try to erase the Civil War from history.

                              [–]PXAbstraction 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              Reason #74832828 why I don't use Apple anything.

                              [–]mattinthecrown 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Also, I assume the same will have to be done with Swastikas, no?

                              [–]Goomich 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              No, it should be Union Jack, symbol of those oppresive, tax imposing shitlords.

                              [–]Sargo8 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              This is literally being used in a historical context holy fuck. What flag was flown during battles in the south? The fucking stars and bars.

                              Thats history.

                              [–]NCPokey 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              This is just idiotic. I understand censoring swastikas because those are illegal in some European countries and it probably saves a lot of legal issues, but a Confederate flag in a historical war game should be a completely reasonable use of the flag.

                              [–]darthxaos 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              SJWs want to make the rebel flag illegal just as the swastika is for yuropoors

                              [–]MonsterBlash [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                              So, like, no more Nazi games? It was the last Wolfenstein?

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                                [–]BoiseNTheHood 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                This is truly pathetic and something I'd expect from nanny-state Europe, not the US. Taking the flag down at the state house is one thing. Removing the flag from a game where it is required for historical accuracy is fucking retarded.

                                [–]Boroness [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Wait wait wait, what? Is this shit for real or satire/a joke?

                                [–]TwistedPerson [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                They're just doing this for the PR. Anyone offended by that flag needs stop being offended by history. It happened.

                                [–]antisoshal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                I am offended by a state that chooses to fly that flag officially. I am not offended in any way by its appearance in historical games. Truth be told I'm not offended by any personal use of the flag. If you think thats a good idea to wave it around, you are doing me a favor by making sure I see it. I just think the idea that an official state building would fly the battle flag of a failed attempt to form a sovereign nation based on human slavery is at BEST a sign that you are trying to avoid history or re-write it, and clearly a sign you dont give a fuck about the people who live in your state whos lives are affected by the ideas it represents.

                                [–]SWABteam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                And just think if TPP passes Apple can remove all mention of this type of censorship from the Internet.

                                [–]Paxalot [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Now ban all movies about war! Progress!

                                [–]CyborgLincoln [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                HOW?

                                THEY ARE USED IN HISTORICAL FUCKING CONTEXT, IN A CIVIL FUCKING WAR GAME, IT'S THEIR FUCKING BATTLE FLAG YOU DENSE FUCKERS

                                I'm done, next their going to axe all Civil War documentaries and remove the entire Confederacy from history books because god forbid anyone sees a Confederate flag, they might be triggered!

                                [–]theandyeffect [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                I think the confederate flag should absolutely disappear from use and have brought this issue up many times over the years with friends. This is fucking ridiculous though. Historical use is of course a good thing and the lack of people understanding it historically is part of the problem.

                                [–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                The use today is completely unnecessary. I watched the Chris Rock video asking southerners about the Confederate flag, and many said it stands for family. Really? The banner they used to fight for slavery means family. Okay...

                                I also heard from somewhere that the resurgence of its use didn't come until the 50s during the early years of the civil rights movement as a symbol to fight for integration and equality.

                                But it's depiction in historical civil war media should remain. It's what they used. Not using it in historical media is like adding minorities to medieval era games. Don't change history to make a safe space. History wasn't all roses. Shit, today isn't all roses too.

                                And in all of this, we completely ignore the actual tragedy of those 9 souls lost from a racist, not a flag.

                                [–]AndreFromThePast 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                I grew up as a european kid with the myth of "land of liberty, freedom of speech" in the 80's, turns out something went wrong in the last decade, and it's something US society should look into asap because that vocal minority (sjws) is giving a really silly image of USA..

                                [–]Mech9k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                something went wrong in the last decade

                                The lost of liberty in the US has been going on for more then just a decade, sadly.

                                [–]theroseandswords 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                What's next? Textbooks and museums? Ffs...

                                [–]Cbird54 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Yeah I've heard of serious considerations of removing memorials, renaming schools, and destroying historical sights. WTF has gotten into people where any of this makes sense.

                                [–]Charlemagne_III 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                If this is true, then this is some bullshit. What kind of world is this where symbols are removed from places where they are contextually appropriate, just because someone might get offended. It seems like we progressing towards the ultimately safe environment, where anything that could possibly offend anyone isn't allowed.

                                [–]Eladriol 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                what the ever living fuck. I don't even get this fucking shit what does this accomplish? Oh look we've stopped historically accurate representations of the armies of the time, guess now we can all live together racist free society!

                                [–]S2Foxhunt 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                So what are we going to do, eliminate the flag from history once and for all to "end racism"? Remove anything and everything to do with the Confederacy and the flag and censor all of it? No more confederate flag allowed to be shown anywhere because people will be offended by it and we have to protect them from seeing it and being offended by it?

                                I don't agree with what the flag stands for etc and I don't agree with it being flown on government property, but I also do not agree with self censoring everything to do with the flag such as removing it from purchase from retailers or removing stuff from the app stores. We're using a tragedy to take away things others should have a right to express whether you agree with that expression or not.

                                [–]darthxaos 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                There never was a Confederate States of America. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

                                [–]gpia7r 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Would be similar to Steam pulling Call of Duty because the Nazi flag is too "triggering".

                                On June 17th, a racist killed 9 people in a church.

                                On June 25th, Apple wants to censor the Civil War from it's app store.

                                Aside from the suggested bannings of other works of art peppered between, you're caught up.

                                [–]mansplain 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Oh apple, you are strait fucking retarded.

                                [–]motherbrain111 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Absolutely Disgusting

                                [–]usul1628 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                All those southerners are crazy racists. We should kick them out of the Union so they can't pollute our hug boxes.

                                [–]ActualFrenchFag [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Isn't it what they asked for in the first place? :)

                                [–]Feel_Free_To_Downvot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Ehehey!!! We are even closer to the perfect world!!!

                                In your face shitlords!!!!!!

                                /s

                                [–]triggershoes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                That's so fucking ridiculous I guess they'll be removing WWII games next because someone might see a swastika.

                                [–]antisoshal 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                These comments are as scary as Apples decision making. I was angry at them initially, then after reading here for 5 minutes I think maybe they are just deciding to disassociate themselves from the type of people who write half the comments here.

                                [–]dvgn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Two days before Apple purged this stuff, this Op-Ed requested that Apple remove anything with a Confederate flag from the App Store.

                                https://archive.is/FvnZq

                                The notion that SJW-style activism never results in censorship is simply an untruth.

                                [–]Yanrogue 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                When I bring up how SJW are ok with this much censorship they just call me a racist and crap like that. This is really going off the deep end.

                                [–]rainbowyrainbow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                are they also gonna remove any product that features the swastika?

                                [–]Justmetalking [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                I actually think the best course of action would be benign neglect. Why interfere when your enemy is skewering themselves.

                                [–]ksheep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                ALL games featuring the American Civil War/the Confederate battle flag? That's odd, it looks like Victoria II: A House Divided is still available, that that expansion focused primarily on adding/updating how it handled the Civil War. Heck, it even has the Confederate flag on the icon.

                                [–]Iremos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                This is madness!

                                [–]trolljoy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                I know of no games that contain the Confederate flag. There are games that contain the battle flag of Robert E. Lee but there are zero games with the flag of the Confederacy. The SJWs (and the media) don't know the difference. This is why the Dukes of Hazzard had the Lee battle flag on their car named for the General.

                                [–]compuguy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                This is ridiculous. I understand and agree about taking down the Confederate flag if its in front of a state/government building, but this is going to far. The civil war happened, and there are some historical contexts where the Confederate flag is appropriate (example, if your playing sid Meyers Gettysburg).

                                [–]threelite [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                I don't think the flag has any place on government-owned property or buildings. The confederacy lost the civil war. The confederate secession was deemed illegitimate by the Union when the Union won. The south lost and as a result they remained a part of the Union; they are not their own entity and therefore do not get their own flag.

                                I think having pride in a flag that effectively represents losing and redneck heritage is pretty dumb, but you should have the freedom to wave a flag full of swastikas and hairy dicks on your own property if you really want.

                                But removing civil war games from the app store because they feature images of the real flag the south used? That's fucking retarded and revisionist. Why not take it one step further and remove all mention of slavery from US history books?

                                [–]keeemon [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Because the Confederacy was like the worst thing that happened ever in history bro.

                                [–]hamsterbator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                Taylor swift will write a letter and reverse this immediately.

                                [–]ADampDevil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                • Ripped Apart: A Civil War Mystery by the Simthsonian Institute
                                • Battleplan: American Civil War
                                • Cannon Shooter: Gettysburg Edition
                                • Total Dominance

                                All are still there of this post in the UK store though the ones mentioned in the article are missing. This is just stupid. Context matters! Still it appears they had already censored the Nazis out of World War II.

                                [–]linguotgr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                The worst part about all of this is that the banned image isn't even the confederate flag...

                                The image that people call the "confederate flag" was just their battle flag. It was brought back and flown during the civil rights movement as a symbol that they were at was with the movement.

                                The actual flag of the Confederate States of America is very different in design. It's like the U.S. Flag but only 3 stripes and 7 stars.

                                That to me is what makes this whole fucking thing stupid. If you want to celebrate your heritage, fly the correct flag for fucks sake. It completely invalidates your argument that the flag is being flown to celebrate your heritage when it's not even the correct design.

                                [–]ZorbaTHut [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                When both KiA and GamerGhazi agree something is fucking moronic, it was probably a very bad idea.

                                [–]DroogDim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I just bought a Confederate Battle Flag patch to but on my messenger bag - and I live in New York. [This message brought to you by AndroidTM]

                                [–]BBQ_HaX0r 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                A lot of atrocities have occurred under the American flag. And the Union Jack. And nearly every other fucking flag/symbol in existence. Maybe we should just start using colors. Until the Reds invade the Blues and put them in work camps and the Yellows stand timidly on the sides complaining over the brashness of the Reds. Meanwhile the Greens show their superiority by doing what Greens ALWAYS do. Then we'll get rid of colors too, because some colors were 'mean-spirited' and then we can use shapes! Shapes will never EVER be offensive... ever.

                                [–]StJimmy92 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                And I feel even more happy about my decision to never buy an apple product again.

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