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Can we talk about other identities? (self.ainbow)

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[–]Discord_DancingHaute Mess 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

Because trans* people and sexual minorities have their existences backed up by science and are biologically based, while otherkin/transethnic people do not.

[–]kabukistar[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Transethnic and otherkin people are a much smaller minority, and a more marginalized group in society.

There's been no research to support a biological basis for their identity, but that's not because there's been research that proves there is no biological basis; it's because nobody has devoted the resources to doing research in the first place.

And even if they did research and found no biological basis, so what? My gender identity is given validity by me and my identifying in it, not by a scientist saying that it's biologically determined. This isn't about science; it's about treating human beings with dignity and respecting their identities.

[–]Discord_DancingHaute Mess 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

My gender identity is given validity by me and my identifying in it

Anyone is free to identify as whatever they want, but if it's not based in any form of tangible reality then no one should be concerned with pandering to the delusions of attention seeking snowflakes.

There is no meaningful biological difference between the races, thus having any innate "transness" pertaining to skin color is not based in reality.

Otherkin is just a fucking joke and I refuse to even justify why I think such.

a more marginalized group in society.

Playing the Oppression OlympicsTM because you feel like a turtle on the inside isn't going to fly here, or anywhere.

[–]kabukistar[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Anyone is free to identify as whatever they want, but if it's not based in any form of tangible reality then no one should be concerned with pandering to the delusions of attention seeking snowflakes.

There is no meaningful biological difference between the races, thus having any innate "transness" pertaining to skin color is not based in reality.

So, in your opinion, if there wasn't any scientific evidence to support transgenderism as being biologically-based, then it would be totally fine to just ignore trans people's identities and treat them like a joke?

Playing the Oppression OlympicsTM because you feel like a turtle on the inside isn't going to fly here, or anywhere.

I'm not playing the "oppression olympics". I'm explaining to you why there has been no scientific evidence to support transethnicity as being biologically rooted.

[–]Discord_DancingHaute Mess 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

if there wasn't any scientific evidence to support transgenderism as being biologically-based, then it would be totally fine to just ignore trans people's identities and treat them like a joke?

There is no if about it though. We are not discussing alternative universes, we are discussing this reality in this time and place.

I'm explaining to you why there has been no scientific evidence to support transethnicity as being biologically rooted.

The reason there is no scientific evidence (or inquiry) that transethnicity is rooted in biology is because there is no meaningful biological difference between the races.

There does not need to be any scientific investigation as to whether or not a person can "feel" like a different race because for all intents and purposes there is no difference in the first place to investigate on a genetic, or physiological level.

Saying that you "feel" black is about as meaningful as saying that you "feel" like a person with a roman nose, or "feel" like a person with red hair. The genetic/physiological differences between a person with white skin, and a person with black skin (or any skin color) are that minute.

If you want to identify as a member of specific cultural groups that happen to be populated largely by a specific ethnicity, go ahead, but saying you're "transethnic" because you're skin is "the wrong color," is entirely meaningless.

[–]kabukistar[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

There is no if about it though. We are not discussing alternative universes, we are discussing this reality in this time and place.

Try to look beyond the here and now. There was a time, in the past, when there had not been a study to determine that being transgender had any biological determinant, and there were a lot of people who hated others for being trans. As far as they knew, there was no biological cause to transgenderism, and they decided to take that lack of knowledge and hate trans people with it? Were they right to do so?

You're in the same position now with transethnicism. You're saying that transethnic people's identities are a joke, because there hasn't been any study yet to show that there's a biological cause.

Saying that you "feel" black is about as meaningful as saying that you "feel" like a person with a roman nose, or "feel" like a person with red hair. The genetic/physiological differences between a person with white skin, and a person with black skin (or any skin color) are that minute.

It's not we've completely mapped the human brain and tested out every possible metric in it. Just because we haven't found any differences doesn't mean we wont.

I mean, it wasn't until within the last century that we found that there were any differences with gender in the physical brain.

If you want to identify as a member of specific cultural groups that happen to be populated largely by a specific ethnicity, go ahead, but saying you're "transethnic" because you're skin is "the wrong color," is entirely meaningless.

Why? Why is it meaningless? Because you think that identity is only made valid if science backs it up?

[–]Discord_DancingHaute Mess 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

There was a time, in the past, when there had not been a study to determine that being transgender had any biological determinant, and there were a lot of people who hated others for being trans. As far as they knew, there was no biological cause to transgenderism

There was certaintly a "biological cause" for transgenderism "in the past," and the assumption was mental illness, something a member of the GSM community should know. Transgenderism has always been a tangible concept that implied specific behaviors and desires, such as presenting as the "opposite" gender as ones assigned sex, and wanting their body to reflect that on a physical level beyond clothing and other culturally gendered mannerisms.

There is no history of transethnicism. As you should know, the entire concept of race is only a few hundred years old itself. Race as we know it today is entirely socially constructed, which is another reason transethnicity is not based in biological reality.

It's not we've completely mapped the human brain and tested out every possible metric in it. Just because we haven't found any differences doesn't mean we wont.

And what exactly do you think we'd find? What exactly makes a person a specific race beyond the color of their skin? Are you implying that specific races have specific racially-determined feelings or behaviors?

[–]kabukistar[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

There was certaintly a "biological cause" for transgenderism "in the past," and the assumption was mental illness, something someone a member of the GSM community should know. Transgenderism has always been a tangible concept that implied specific behaviors and desires, such as presenting as the "opposite" gender as ones assigned sex, and wanting their body to reflect that on a physical level beyond clothing and other culturally gendered mannerisms.

So, are you saying that we should respect someone's identity if we think them identifying as it is a mental illness? I'm not quire sure what you're getting at here.

You seem to be just making excuses to dodge the question. In the past, there was no evidence that there was a neurological cause for transgenderism. Was it fine for people to hate and disrespect and discriminate against trans people when that evidence didn't exist?

And what exactly do you think we'd find? What exactly makes a person a specific race beyond the color of their skin? Are you implying that specific races have specific racially-determined feelings or behaviors?

I'm saying that we've found different neurological metrics that correlate with gender identity. We may also find that there are different neurological metrics that correlate with ethnic identity.

[–]Discord_DancingHaute Mess 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

You seem to be just making excuses to dodge the question.

Excuse me if I come off as that way, I'm not attempting to dodge the question, it's just that the questions are so fucking stupid, and lacking in the most basic of knowledge pertaining to cultural theory, biology, and racial dynamics that I really don't know how to explain things to you without literally writing a book, or perhaps asking that you maybe go read a book.

I think I'm done with this. But if you want to continue pushing the transethnic/otherkin shtick be my guest.

I just hope you have a thick skin because you're going to be laughed out of every door there is.

Have a lovely day.

[–]kabukistar[S] [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Nothing but hatred, and then rudeness and patronization when that hatred is questioned.

I'm sorry if I mistook you for someone who was actually trying to discuss this instead of just be a jerk to someone online for trying to defend the dignity of a marginalized group.