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[–]HexezWork 156ポイント157ポイント  (13子コメント)

Give em hell!

Fan expos are creepily adding more and more identity politics and using what little power they have to kick out people who paid to be there and broke no rules.

I hope all the charges stick but breach of contract should be the easiest to go through, heres hoping.

[–]TheCid 46ポイント47ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really want to see a new fan expo that intentionally refuses to adopt identity-politics bullshit.

Has there been a single major convention without a bullshit "Women in X" or "Diversity in X" panel in the past 3 years or so?

[–]garybuseysawakening 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

God no. I went to Anime North like seven years ago and they were filled with these, along with panels of, like, Torchwood fanfiction.

[–]md1957 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope so too, and there's good reason to do so.

For already, we're seeing how more and more people are becoming more vocal in not putting up with those ideologues.

[–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gonna high jack this comment if I can. The Honey Badgers are getting robbed..

They hired Kopyto under the assumption that he would be able to represent them. Kopyto is only allowed to represent in hearings at the most. He is a consultant, not a lawyer.

EDIT: The case will take place in Alberta not Ontario so he may represent them.

EDIT 2: I was wrong again. In Alberta you need to be in good standing and citified to practice law in your jurisdiction. http://www.lawsociety.ab.ca/membership/mobility/faqs/visitors.aspx

Harry can not represent for HBB.

[–]Ssilversmith 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

My heart sank when I read all that in the comment section. They claim they just have him on as retainor and is only doing legal research, and if they need an actual lawyer they'll hire one but this really dosn't help their image at all.

[–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even giving legal counsel without proper certification can land you in serious legal trouble. At least in the US. I can't imagine it being much different in Canada.

[–]RedStarDawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Disbarred lawyers can often work as paralegals without issue.

[–]TychoVelius 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jeff Mach events in New Jersey even has a special group called the White Feather Society acting as technically unofficial social police.

[–]SaigaFan 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how they adopted the name of a horrible movement that mocked and shamed people. So fitting.

[–]ImADouchebag 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually hope the cons expand upon all these safe space rules, eventually people will stop going all together and these fuckheads in charge will be out of a job.

[–]ac4l 103ポイント104ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is the only way to expose "social justice" for the wrong think lynch mob that it really is, in a court of real justice.

[–]Limon_Lime7-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 51ポイント52ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really hope this sets a precedent.

[–]ac4l 35ポイント36ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just going to court it will. Being the first of it's kind, this is a game changer, here.

[–]non_consensual 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

How glorious would it be to see a court of law the patriarchy smack these fuckers down for not being inclusive enough.

[–]minimim 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

"social justice" needs "social" in it because it is purposefully unjust. They don't want justice like us, they want social "justice".

[–]RedStarDawn 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Social Just-Us is what they want.

[–]Limon_Lime7-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 44ポイント45ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck. Get the politics out of Gaming/Comics/Scifi conventions!

[–]AkudraA-cool-dra 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am glad you are pursuing other claims as that is one concern I expressed when you got funded. With the defamation claim I think you should not strictly limit yourselves to the claim of disruptive action, but some of their other statements. The Mary Sue and Calgary Expo both pushed the claim that you faked at being geeks for two decades to sneak into a convention and disrupt it, which was completely absurd. Anyone objective could recognize that was tongue-in-cheek language and their characterization of you as harassing people is more serious than a mere claim of disruption. This also applies to their claims of misrepresentation.

Even though I think it is garbage, "disruption" is such a vague term that they can make it mean whatever they like and thus claim it was not defamation to accuse the Honey Badgers of disruption. Their other claims are another matter entirely as it is not possible to claim harassment given the evidence and spreading that nonsense about fake geek girls seems like an attempt to rationalize their decision rather than something they seriously considered as a reason. Just want to make sure you have all your bases covered to improve your chances.

[–]GammaKingThe Sealion King 55ポイント56ポイント  (10子コメント)

This should be an easy case to win - all the evidence is on the Badger's side. My question is what the Brigade intend to do if they get an offer to settle?

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] 127ポイント128ポイント  (9子コメント)

I've said repeatedly that we aren't going to settle if it includes a gag order.

[–]Hamakua 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

I love you TB, you all give them hell.

[–]White_Phoenix 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

THE OTHER BASED TB

[–]PanRagon 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

But don't forget the very unbased TB.

[–]ZeusKabob 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

shiver

Tuberculosis.

[–]KRosen333More like KRockin' 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

good luck typhon :)

<3

(long time no see :p)

[–]GammaKingThe Sealion King 26ポイント27ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for the prompt reply - sounds reasonable. If you manage to achieve this do you have a plan to actually get the word out? I have a feeling the media will be averse to touching it.

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well we have a network of people who are interested in the case and will likely spread word about it. ; )

[–]Fenrir007 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are doing non-existent god's work - keep at it!

[–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good luck, and god speed, Badgers!

[–]Methodius_ 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

however at this time we are not pursing changing legal precedent.

Then...

We want to use this case to establish a legal precedent that would benefit others with dissident views who want to participate in similar activities.

Kinda confusing, there.

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oops. Well that proves I shouldn't throw things up without a copy edit.

1) is referring to amending the Charter 2) is referring to case law

[–]Methodius_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

[–]GreatRedYeti 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks for the update, Badgers (Alison? I'm not sure who belongs to the TyphonBlue account). I've been anxiously awaiting news on the legal case even though I know these things can take years. Ditto with the Eron Gjoni legal fund.

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's me, Alison.

[–]miketgainer -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bullshit, it's Brian in a wig.

[–]Qvar -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a me*

or

hey it's me, ur sister*

[–]ttreats 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

They claim they want transparency but they don't provide a receipt for the one expense they claim; a retainer for 3500 to undisclosed legal counsel.

Providing bank receipts saying you received all the money you raised online isn't particularly groundbreaking. I mean, one could assume you received the money you claimed...that's not the concern.

[–]ClientNineNYC 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. The identity of one's lawyer is hardly something you need to keep secret, particularly in a matter that they expressly say they will be pursuing "publicly."

When you give a retainer to a lawyer you typically do so under a written retainer letter/agreement so I am not sure why they have produced no backup for this expenditure. It should be readily available.

[–]Joseplh -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe under the contract they cannot disclose who the lawyer is until the court date to avoid bribery and threats to the lawyer beforehand which could jeopardize the lawsuit.(just guessing)

[–]ashlaaaaay 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

.05%

should be 5% or, say, .05x

Also, fuck that dickwolf that refunded (especially since it was so close)

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're right.

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually stopped the fundraiser early because we hit our goal so it was sort of a dick move. : (

[–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm guessing the refund was pretty big if it was noteworthy enough of being called a "dickwolf"

[–]wrtChase 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

That kind of sounds badass, I'm not sure whether or not I'd want to be a dickwolf

[–]skivianNap-Kin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

well, you spend your nights raping the slaves to sleep.

[–]Devidose 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Given the response to the Penny Arcane comic [And the death threats Gabe received for it], possibly not.

[–]miketgainer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They may have really needed the money all of a sudden. Don't be so swift to judge, unless that person made it clear why they did it.

[–]Marsmar-LordofMars 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

As much as I'd like to see social justice vs real justice, I remain skeptical until a court date is posted. Nothing against the Honey Badger Brigade but I've seen enough people gearing up for a lawsuit only for nothing to happen.

I do hope it does happen though.

[–]chiefsport 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If Canadian courts are anything like American courts in terms of volume, it could be a while. Years possibly.

[–]cha0stat tvam asi 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They need a good spanking.

[–]vivianjamesplay 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the update Alison.

[–]ClientNineNYC 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You say you will pursue the case "publicly" and that you've already spent given a $3500 retainer to a lawyer.

So, in the interests of transparency, when will you be posting the retainer letter/invoice for this retainer and the name of the law firm to which the retainer went?

[–]ishigg 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Out of the loop here, anyone want to fill me in?

[–]gossipninjaArmed with PHP shurikens 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

honey badgers got kicked outta calgary expo under false pretenses (including being slandered and the cops called on them BY CALGARY EXPO at a near by park they decided to set up for their fans to meet N greet)

Honey badgers in the wild are vicious...apparently the canadian ones have legal counsel.

If you wonder why this is GG related beyond the wrong think / censorship angle...the core issue seemed to be they had a GG flag on their booth...though officially calgary stated they were "disruptive" when all evidence proves otherwise.

[–]GreatRedYeti 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This infographic should give you the basic rundown.

[–]KenPopehat 23ポイント24ポイント  (19子コメント)

Honey Badgers hire disbarred lawyer/paralegal with GamerGate fans' generous $30k in contributions.

http://imgur.com/XjDjgsp

I would say more but I have just laughed until I soiled myself.

[–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh good god dammit.

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

He's doing the background and legal leg work. If/when we need a lawyer we will get one.

It's amazing how you all ignore the fact that I'm taking the biggest risk here. If this lawsuit goes south, I can be facing paying tens of thousands of the Expo's legal costs.

Do you think I take that lightly?

[–]KenPopehat 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think it's like you asked someone to donate a kidney to you and you took it and instead of implanting it you fed it to a stray dog.

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

More like I asked a bunch of people to donate blood and I donated a kidney. Do you understand what it means to be facing tens of thousands of dollars of potential legal fees if your lawsuit fails?

I appreciate everyone who donated, but their risk ends at 5, 20 and for a few 250 dollars.

[–]KenPopehat 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

And now it's like you're saying, "Look, I don't get why you're mad. I'm the one who still needs a kidney."

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Metaphor spagetti.

[–]RedStarDawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

There is nothing wrong with a disbarred lawyer working as a paralegal.

[–]Kthulhu42 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well, except from an ethical standpoint.

[–]RedStarDawn -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Not really, considering what a paralegal does. What tasks are assigned to the disbarred lawyer is a topic of debate but limiting them to research is perfectly fine.

[–]Kthulhu42 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

I couldn't in good conscience call myself a member of a group that cares about ethics and honesty while simultaneously hiring a guy disbarred for committing fraud against his clients.

[–]TopHatLayton 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Ethics" are more of a blurry guideline to GG. Having an opinion about a game? Unethical! Hiring an ex-lawyer who ripped off a bunch of people and was disbarred? Perfectly fine!

[–]RedStarDawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

He didn't rip off any clients.

[–]TopHatLayton 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, just the Public funded legal aid to help those in need, what a huge difference.

[–]RedStarDawn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which, if you read into it, he was never charged criminally nor required to pay anything back to Legal Aid, something that would have happened had the evidence been sufficient enough.

[–]RedStarDawn -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

The funny part is that he was never requested or required to pay back any of the funds he solicited from the Legal Aid Plan (he didn't defraud his clients) and all of his pending funds were released to him. He was honest and straight forward about the fact that he failed to properly record the amount of time spent on certain cases and estimated, both over and under, in some.

I'm pretty sure if he actually overbilled Legal Aid, he would have had to pay it back and likely faced criminal charges, but neither occurred because the evidence was lacking. Plus, as an activist lawyer, he's likely pissed off a lot of people with power and sway.

You are criticizing someone who has literally gone into debt because he doesn't want to gouge his clients.

[–]TopHatLayton 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

he failed to properly record the amount of time spent on certain cases

So you're saying that he wasn't a fraudulent Lawyer, just an Incompetent one.

Perfect for the Honey Badgers then.

[–]RedStarDawn -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being overworked is different than being incompetent. Just like actually researching what happened is different from pulling assumptions out of your ass.

[–]AkudraA-cool-dra -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently his disbarment proceeding over 25 years ago resulted in the first ever written dissent for the law society reviewing his case and the dissenter argued strongly against the claims being used as the basis for his disbarment, claims which had nothing to do with his ability to practice law. If the Honey Badgers are not hiring him to represent them, then even that is not an issue.

[–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS 15ポイント16ポイント  (22子コメント)

We believe that the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms should include protections against Canadians being discriminated for expressing their beliefs, however at this time we are not pursing challenging this exclusion in the charter

Well glad you guys realized that you didn't have a case pursing that route before spending a ton of money on a pointless lawsuit.

The lawsuit will be pursued in the name of Honey Badger Brigade and its founder, Alison Tieman. The claim will include judicial relief for breach of contract, injurious falsehood and a court decision that will denounce the exclusion and expulsion of the Plaintiffs on grounds of discrimination.

Wait so what exactly are you trying to sue for? Breach of contract will be extremely hard to prove all they would need is one security officer say that he received a complaint about the people at the booth. Also how are you planning on getting around an accusation of applying under false pretenses? That would be grounds for termination of contract on its own. Also businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone. Political leaning is not a protected class.

In addition the claim will be pursued against writers and media outlets that reprinted the unfounded accusations against the Honey Badger Brigade.

You won't get any ground here.

The Plaintiffs will pursue compensatory and punitive damages but the emphasis will be to obtain a judicial pronouncement that will clear Alison Tieman and the Honey Badger Brigade’s name completely and restore their right to participate in future Expos.

And this doesn't make any sense. A court can not cleanse a person and organizations name publicly and it most definitely can not force a convention or any other kind of events to allow HBB to participate.

Is your legal consultant a real lawyer? Or have you not reached out yet?

[–]AkudraA-cool-dra 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Breach of contract will be extremely hard to prove all they would need is one security officer say that he received a complaint about the people at the booth.

Breach of contract need not be limited to the cause of their ejection as it could include the manner in which they were ejected. In this piece they state:

This incident contravenes the published policies and procedures outlined in Calgary Expo’s materials. Their own policies specifically state that verbal warnings and requests to cease the behavior should be the first step in the process of dealing with complaints about exhibitors and attendees.

If that is the case then it could be that they were removed in a manner not allowed under their exhibitor agreement. There may be some weasel clauses, but if their agreement is not sufficiently clear or it was otherwise mishandled then it may give them a position to argue breach of contract or wrongful termination of the contract.

Also how are you planning on getting around an accusation of applying under false pretenses?

Have you been following this situation very closely? This one is fairly obvious. While their exhibitor name changed several times, these arrangements were made weeks in advance. Only other thing they had against HBB was some rather obvious tongue-in-cheek remarks about deviously pretending to be nerds for decades.

Also businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone.

This actually isn't true as you can sue someone for refusing service if they do not have reasonable cause. It doesn't just apply to discrimination based on identity.

You won't get any ground here.

They may be phrasing it badly. I definitely think the pieces in The Mary Sue and Raw Story would qualify under injurious falsehood. Neither of those outlets merely reprinted unfounded accusations, but made their own inflammatory false attacks on the Honey Badgers.

And this doesn't make any sense. A court can not cleanse a person and organizations name publicly and it most definitely can not force a convention or any other kind of events to allow HBB to participate.

They can actually do both. If a court finds in favor of the Honey Badgers on the injurious falsehood and breach of contract claims, it will publicly exonerate them. Courts also force others to provide services all the time. Whether that will happen in this case even with a victory is uncertain. If the Honey Badgers still succeed in their suit, then they will definitely be compensated for any expected sales that are lost due to the ban.

[–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Breach of contract need not be limited to the cause of their ejection as it could include the manner in which they were ejected. In this piece[1] they state:

It would have been nice if they provided the source documentation. Also the expo has the right to remove anyone for any reason. They do have to give warnings. The person running the expo in that post said that he received multiple complaints, which is all that is needed. Whether they investigated or not their reason for kicking out HBB will stand in court if they go the defense of receiving complaints.

Have you been following this situation very closely? This one is fairly obvious. While their exhibitor name changed several times, these arrangements were made weeks in advance. Only other thing they had against HBB was some rather obvious tongue-in-cheek remarks about deviously pretending to be nerds for decades.

The applied under the webcomic and after receiving approval they applied for a name change and never declared to the expo that they were also changing the content of their booth. A name change does not cover that.

This actually isn't true as you can sue someone for refusing service if they do not have reasonable cause. It doesn't just apply to discrimination based on identity.

Its only illegal discrimination if its against a protected class which political affiliation is not.

They may be phrasing it badly. I definitely think the pieces in The Mary Sue[2] and Raw Story[3] would qualify under injurious falsehood. Neither of those outlets merely reprinted unfounded accusations, but made their own inflammatory false attacks on the Honey Badgers.

Going after glorified blogs have never won anything.

They can actually do both. If a court finds in favor of the Honey Badgers on the injurious falsehood and breach of contract claims, it will publicly exonerate them. Courts also force others to provide services all the time. Whether that will happen in this case even with a victory is uncertain. If the Honey Badgers still succeed in their suit, then they will definitely be compensated for any expected sales that are lost due to the ban.

Can you cite an example of this happening under canada law?

[–]AkudraA-cool-dra 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would have been nice if they provided the source documentation. Also the expo has the right to remove anyone for any reason. They do have to give warnings. The person running the expo in that post said that he received multiple complaints, which is all that is needed. Whether they investigated or not their reason for kicking out HBB will stand in court if they go the defense of receiving complaints.

Only complaints by proven attendees would be considered valid. It would also be hard to build a case on "disruption" of the panel as I do not believe there were any claims of harassment until after people were made aware of the GamerGate merchandise. All indications are that this is what prompted the complaints. Should their contract with the Honey Badgers say that complaints will be investigated or they will be warned if notified of behavioral issues, then failing to do that would also be a contractual issue.

The applied under the webcomic and after receiving approval they applied for a name change and never declared to the expo that they were also changing the content of their booth. A name change does not cover that.

How did they change the content of their booth other than selling Honey Badger stuff? Even if some of the merchandise contained GamerGate references, it was all Honey Badger stuff. It would be rather silly for them to claim deception on the basis that after they changed the name for their both to the group they then sold products related to the group.

Its only illegal discrimination if its against a protected class which political affiliation is not.

True, it only qualifies as discrimination if it is against a legally-protected class, but there are other instances in which refusal of service can be illegal.

Going after glorified blogs have never won anything.

It would at least vindicate them regarding that coverage and discredit their reporting as there are people who take them seriously.

Can you cite an example of this happening under canada law?

What of the things I mentioned do you mean?

[–]EnsignMorituri 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

This actually isn't true as you can sue someone for refusing service if they do not have reasonable cause. It doesn't just apply to discrimination based on identity.

Provide citation, please. I'll wait.

[–]AkudraA-cool-dra 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

This piece from Louis Marlin, a lawyer at an LA law firm is one good example. It focuses mostly on discrimination but makes this point:

In the end, while individuals might have their own beliefs, places of public accommodation must be open to all patrons who follow reasonable rules (regarding behavior and dress, for example).

It notes a case in California where a restaurant was sued for refusing service to biker gangs that did not remove colors, but only found in favor of the restaurant because they could provide a good reason for why having to allow them display colors would potentially cause problems for the business (fights starting between rival gangs).

There is common law precedent as well. Basically, refusing someone service for an arbitrary reason is grounds for a lawsuit. Granted, my understanding is based on U.S. law, so I don't know if Canadian common law is more permissive or restrictive regarding the right to refuse service.

[–]EnsignMorituri 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you for this. It's much appreciated. Bear in mind that the Charter of Rights is not a Canadian version of the Civil Rights Act, and does not apply to private entities. Acts prohibiting discrimination on protected grounds do exist, but at the provincial and territorial level.

Absent discrimination on prohibited grounds, businesses in Canada hold a general freedom of commerce, and a right to refuse service. Reasonableness in this instance will be very wide, if in fact it exists. The Vancouver Police Department, of all places, outlines the "shopkeepers right" very well here.

Thank you again for the information. I do appreciate it.

Edit to add: ugh, I just noticed the VPD cites the Charter, which is not technically accurate.

[–]AkudraA-cool-dra 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

As far as I know, Calgary Expo's sole case on "disruption" or "harassment" is the panel, which was someone from the Honey Badgers asking to speak on a subject being discussed relevant to the topic of the panel and being allowed to speak, then having a discussion with the panelists about it. There is no indication that they were ejected from the panel or that any official complaint was made about their conduct prior to people seeing the GamerGate merchandise. Seems to me this would be necessary for the Expo to prove they were not rejecting them on the basis of GamerGate affiliation.

[–]EnsignMorituri 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Without getting into the details of this specific issue, I wanted to add the case law, to which the VPD refers:

Harrison v Carswell

Russo v Ontario Jockey Club

Harrison v Carswell is Supreme Court jurisprudence, which is cited in R v SA, an Alberta Court of Appeal decision from June 2014. Para 105 is extremely relevant to the issue under discussion.

[–]ReverseSolipsist -4ポイント-3ポイント  (13子コメント)

Where did you go to law school that you're so comfortable challenging the legal strategy of their attournies?

[–]Actual_Hitler 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

He's right.

This is going to be a gong-show.

Source: Am Canadian lawyer.

[–]ReverseSolipsist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there a way to find out who's representing them? This is your chance to do something substantial for GG. If they're being scammed, let them know.

[–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS 12ポイント13ポイント  (10子コメント)

You don't need a legal degree to understand the basics of law.

Also their attorney, Harry Kopyto is a disbarred lawyer with a record losing nearly every case he has been a part of, for ripping of people, and grandstanding. So take that how you will.

In 1989, Kopyto was charged with professional misconduct by the Law Society of Upper Canada for allegedly overbilling the province's legal aid plan by $150,000 over a three-year period

Oh and there is fraud.

[–]ReverseSolipsist 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You should tweet that to them. Maybe they don't know.

[–]SHOW_ME_YOUR_GOATS 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pointed it out to them on their site. They are holding firm.

[–]Kthulhu42 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

If my math is correct, this guy was billing people per day for more hours than there are in a day.

Sounds like the right kind of lawyer for a group that is all about the ethics.

[–]ReverseSolipsist -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, wait. If you read the wiki apparently he has a history of winning civil rights cases, but he lost some high-profile cases against the police. And his disbarment was highly controversial.

Way to misrepresent the fact to push a narrative.

[–]ttreats 9ポイント10ポイント  (14子コメント)

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Honey Badger Brigade

We retained the legal services of Harry Kopyto. He is a very controversial figure in the area of human rights and discrimination law and a disbarred lawyer. However he has received awards for his work defending human rights--specifically he has fought for the rights of dissenters and underdogs, marxists, gay people, racial minorities and now us.

He also works on scale, which is necessary since 30k is basically nothing when it comes to legal costs.

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (13子コメント)

He's doing the legal leg work as he has experience in these kinds of cases.

If/when we need the services of a lawyer, we will get one. Until then we'll avoid the 250-500$ price tag for research.

[–]ClientNineNYC 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're giving their money to a guy who was thrown out of the legal profession for billing three years of legal work in a year.

You've outdone yourselves.

[–]NotRelatingToYou 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

250-500$ price tag for research.

Somehow this seems cheaper than 30k? Or did you actually mean 250-500k?

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

That's per hour. At that rate 30k gets you 60-120 hours worth of work.

[–]NotRelatingToYou 13ポイント14ポイント  (7子コメント)

So you've hired Harry Kopyto, a disbarred lawyer (who was disbarred because he overcharged his previous clients) to save money? The whole thing sounds terribly illogical to me.

[–]typhonblueHoney Badger[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the legal profession has never made a mistake? Or intentionally targeted someone? Particularly someone known for defending untouchables like marxists, homosexuals(before it was cool) and the poor?

[–]Matthew_Cline 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

and restore their right to participate in future Expos.

Wait, attending a privately operated Expo is a right?

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[–]seuftz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for the update.

Now go get 'em!

[–]DwarfGate 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs die in courtrooms. The mere fact that there are consequences for not being able to prove your claim and the fact that there are harsh penalties for outright lying cause them to suffer catastrophic heart failure just by being in one.

[–]ev1lb1t 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit "hug of death" is in action upon this direct link.

EDIT: Give them hell and don't hold back.

I will stand ready to contribute considerably more if necessary toward your cause.

Freedom of speech does not exist without freedom to dissent.

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    [–]loliger_rofler 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most of these can probably be answered with: an actual lawyer told them this would be better.

    [–]LeChiffre1988 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So what's the likelihood of winning the case?