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First Transsexual NPC in Lion's Arch[Other] (self.Guildwars2)

Poki-3Ashura Mazah が 投稿

http://i.imgur.com/OyieJgY.jpg

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Aid_Worker_Symon

This is a pretty awesome touch. She's next to the Mist Portals.

EDIT: Caught some extra idle chatter between her and Lionguard Hela: http://i.imgur.com/ALY2Lh1.png

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[–]TheBulletstar[omni], [AB] of SBI and [WoD] of TC 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

Somebody spent some gems for a makeover kit.

[–]deanykgyoutube.com/robocafaz 62ポイント63ポイント  (13子コメント)

I've always found that Anet handles these topics right: they just do it and don't make a stink about it. They shouldn't be controversial and they don't act like it is.

[–]Charrikayu 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

The irony being that the community is making a big deal about it, rather than viewing it as completely normal and moving on.

[–]deanykgyoutube.com/robocafaz 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's nothing wrong with a little "hey that's neat, good for them."

So long as nobody decides to turn it into "ARENANET LITERALLY DECIMATES STRAIGHT WHITE MRA NECKBEARD PISSBABIES WITH GROUNDBREAKING NEW NPC AS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO <hashtag>" I see no problem here.

And that's coming from a guy who is frequently considered to be a straight white MRA neckbeard pissbaby.

[–]Heartsure [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"ARENANET LITERALLY DECIMATES STRAIGHT WHITE MRA NECKBEARD PISSBABIES WITH GROUNDBREAKING NEW NPC AS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO <hashtag>" I see no problem here.

Swear to god, people who write stuff like this do an amazing job at making people hate well meaning progressive writers/media folks like the people at A-net. I love that A-net does stuff like this without turning it into oppreshun warz.

[–]crawlerette [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's less making a big deal about it and more "wow that's really nice!" because it is nice.

[–]capernoited 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doesn't seem to be a big deal but a nice bit of detail some may have missed.

[–]Lostwingman07 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My response: "Huh...I guess a mesmer could do that too"

[–]Couldbegigolo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Cause its not normal or something people are used to. But its good its treated neutral and accepted, as it should be.

[–]Woldrythe Prolix [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We LGBTQ folk will stop making a big deal about being included when others stop making it a big deal when we ask to be included.

[–]capzi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because less than 5% of the world population are transexuals is normal right? The math is against you, sorry if you don't like it.

[–]Mdogg2005Im Teh Pwnzor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I posted this exact point and got downvoted to oblivion. I am still very confused on the subject and though I learned a lot in that conversation (feel free to check it out, it's one of the comments below the threshold) I still apparently don't even know the half of it when it comes to this sort of thing.

I have friends who are bisexual, gay, whatever the case may be and to me they're just people so for their sake I tried to learn more but I am still so very confused on the whole thing and what is good and bad for acceptance progression.

[–]JovmanDragon Slayer Jov [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

you mean like kass and majory? /sarcasm

[–]Netherdiver [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I thought the Kas/Jory lesbian thing was godawful.

[–]deanykgyoutube.com/robocafaz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Kas and Jory started off pretty good but it did get really mush-gushy really fast. And I mean that as in a "these two people won't stop making out" kind of way, not in a "these two people won't stop lesbian-being" kind of way.

But I like a lot of the other representation, like in some of the early Sylvari personal story missions you help some Sylvari dude rescue his lover, and once the mission is over it turns out you saved another Sylvari dude. And that's it. No player character going "WAIT, WAIT, THAT'S YOUR LOVER! OH WOW!" No rescued NPC going "The bad guys treated me extra bad because of my identity" It's just two people reuniting and thanking you for being your normal hero self.

I like that pretty much all these themes are handled like that in the game. They don't act like some other "progressive" video games do in that they yell and scream about how amazing they are and how groundbreaking they are. They treat it with the respect and dignity it deserves and acknowledge that the average person from the populations they're writing about doesn't want to be put on a pedestal, they want to be treated like a person.

But again, my blood is mayonnaise, so I don't actually know that the fuck I'm talking about.

[–]acemandoom 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kotaku article in 3...2....

update: Wasn't meant to be mean or anything. But come back in a few hours and tell me I'm wrong. All Kotaku does anymore is scour Reddit for source material.

[–]MBirkhofer 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

mesmer. that is cheating.

[–]Morsus98Rt/N 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Being a mesmer makes it easier" So is Sya just changing the way we see her like Anise does in the story (disguising us, pretending to be sylvari)?

[–]Furin 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe she means that she won't have to get an entirely new wardrobe.

[–]selorn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think so. During the Sylvari PS, Cai creates a human illusion and the PC talks about how weird their squishy skin feels; so Mesmer magic would probably be ideal for transitioning. Fuck, I'd kill for that.

[–]crawlerette [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's what I'm guessing? It's kinda cool to see how magic can be used in Tyria for more normal, every day life stuff besides combat and warfare.

[–]LookingForTracyTzubutts 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Much progessive

[–]JoeyfieldThe hype train may have scheduled delays, please hold... 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am someone who fails at reading between the lines: what exactly said she's a transsexual?

[–]Ceegee93 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You ask her if you know her, to which she replies you may have known her as Symon before, who was a male character previously.

[–]lokikaraokeKaraoke [MEGA] on NSP 26ポイント27ポイント  (18子コメント)

Not to pick nits, (and this is more for community information and education), but I believe the preferred term nowadays is usually "transgender." According to the GLAAD webiste:

Transgender (adj.) An umbrella term for people whose gender identity and/or gender expression differs from what is typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth. People under the transgender umbrella may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms - including transgender. Some of those terms are defined below. Use the descriptive term preferred by the individual. Many transgender people are prescribed hormones by their doctors to change their bodies. Some undergo surgery as well. But not all transgender people can or will take those steps, and a transgender identity is not dependent upon medical procedures.

Transsexual (adj.) An older term that originated in the medical and psychological communities. Still preferred by some people who have permanently changed - or seek to change - their bodies through medical interventions (including but not limited to hormones and/or surgeries). Unlike transgender, transsexual is not an umbrella term. Many transgender people do not identify as transsexual and prefer the word transgender. It is best to ask which term an individual prefers. If preferred, use as an adjective: transsexual woman or transsexual man.

[–]Poki-3Ashura Mazah[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can't edit post titles either way, but if a mod thinks that's better I have no objections to my post being edited.

[–]lokikaraokeKaraoke [MEGA] on NSP -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's probably okay - and it's obvious you meant no ill intent. (You got an upvote from me, not a downvote!) I just thought it was a good opportunity to bring it up, especially for the many non-native English speakers around!

[–]micmea1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's a weird topic because no one is really sure what an "appropriate" term should be. Some people take offense to it, some don't see the big deal. I think it definitely has more to do with how the term is used. OP is probably fine here.

[–]Couldbegigolo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just do like me and use tranny so you dont have to deal with gender/sex.

[–]DatParadox -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think transgender is preferred overall, I think it just depends. Like myself, I'm focuses on bottom surgery and most physical aspects, so by all means I'm transsexual. Transgender would refer to someone less focused on the physical parts (mostly just not caring about bottom surgery) and more focused on the social aspects. Unless you're just talking about the characters preference and I misinterpreted you.

[–]lokikaraokeKaraoke [MEGA] on NSP [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm focuses on bottom surgery and most physical aspects, so by all means I'm transsexual.

Yeah, that's fair! I think my feeling is this: it's incredibly impolite to ask "what's in your pants?" As transsexual does tend to focus more on equipment than identity, I try to avoid it.

But if you or anybody else identifies as transsexual and is comfortable with the term, that's fine too!

[–]selorn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Eh. It's not really offensive, just mildly impolite/awkward. Transgender's the safer bet since it doesn't focus on SRS and is really more accurate(transsexual implies its a sexuality, or has to do with sex mainly). Or you could just go with trans. Really anything that's not 'tranny' 'trap' 'chick with dick', etc.

Some people may prefer transsexual, and that's cool. It's just getting a bit dated as a catch-all, and is becoming akin to describing a Lesbian relationship as sapphic. In some contexts, and from certain people, it sounds old fashioned and slightly out of touch. In others it can be just fine.

[–]goddessofthewindsDominatrice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Depending on where you come from, transgender is mostly used by those who didn't have the SRS (Sex Reassignment Surgery) and transsexual used by those who did the SRS.

Of course, all this is subjective, but being in my home community, this is what is mostly used here. But that can change depending on where you live.

EDIT: In this case, I'd say we can use transgender safely.

[–]eronth [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But this character appears to have actually changed sex, which falls under the transsexual tag.

[–]MehknicSupplies for the Yak god! [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I assumed she was just maintaining an illusion thanks to the "mesmer" line.

[–]broderek_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really cool. Arenanet have openly transgender developers so it is amazing to see their support of that reflected in their game.

[–]Atlas3025 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got to say this is a rather interesting development. Using the Mesmer powers like that is a neat little twist to the game's Universe.

[–]raosionHard ground makes stronger roots. 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, I would NOT have caught this. I don't pay nearly enough attention to NPCs.

[–]GigormanShaessiin Boneheart 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's best to in this game, there are tidbits everywhere. Like the lady telling you a woman named her newborn 'Scarlet'. "Who does that."

[–]raosionHard ground makes stronger roots. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol, I never caught that! Don't suppose you have a link to that NPC do you?

[–]luxymonsteriprotect trahearne 2k15 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh my goodness! As a trans person, this is a pretty awesome thing. Thank you so much for Anet <3

[–]selorn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It is! Loving the increasingly positive attitudes. A couple years ago and I don't think this thread would be so positive.

[–]Sublimatioostop world necrophobia [rT] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a transgender person I find it such an awesome gesture! O_O

[–]ElquinMagus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amazing! This is why I love Anet. Keep up the good work!

[–]Covinus03 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Very cool, glad the trans community is being acknowledged for once.

[–]TheBearProphet 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a respectful way, too. I feel like trans issues are usually handled as the butt of a joke rather than as just an aspect of a character.

[–]Beta_Ace_XTarnished Coast [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can't go a single day in this game without somebody from the Sisters not Cisters guild putting out their little inflammatory recruiting blurb. Transgender acceptance has become the huge trendy thing to do in the past couple of years; don't act like it's an issue nobody has drawn attention to.

[–]GelatinGhostJabberwock.9014 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

All you have to do in Tyria is spend a few hundred gems on a complete makeover kit.

[–]snabader [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How progressive.

[–]MiriaTheMinx -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's pretty awesome. :D

[–]BaronSolace 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Transgender *

[–]VennuhDoriánn [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I actually laughed when reading "Being a mesmer makes it easier", really cute. Is nice to see something like this.

[–]douglasdamm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Being a mesmer makes it easier" until theres touch involved, then someone will find an unpleasant surprise xD

[–]CorvusPlaysCorvusPlays -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is amazing!

[–]rachelled -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was just gonna post this! Kudos, Anet.

[–]ShadowMageAlphaFaithful Iron Legion Mechanic -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is incredibly bad-ass of ANet! I love it!

Edit: Wait, I got down-voted? Really?

[–]pumpkinrum -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aaawwww.

[–]MithranArkanereSUGGEST-A-TRON [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Pfff. As if that was hard with the makeover kits.

I myself have two who have changed genders so far.

Now think what someone who wants to reassign their own sex has to do here on Earth. Now that has merit.

[–]DeafCatMoan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh look a minority, better up vote for no reason.

[–]tigerplush [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

well he is a whisper agent so he could be dressing up as a she

[–]Fruun [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

oy vey so progressive!

[–]OnePunkArmyKeep /r/GuildWarsGoneWild Alive -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

So, really unnecessary question, but... Is this a transgender (identifies as the other gender), or a post-op transsexual (reproductive organ changed to other gender)?

[–]deanykgyoutube.com/robocafaz 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Judging by the dialog, the NPC is using Mesmer magic, so I don't know what the proper term is or what pronouns to use.

[–]BenBenBenBe 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

The pronouns wouldn't be different regardless of pre-op or post-op. If the person identifies as a woman you (obviously) use she/her.

[–]deanykgyoutube.com/robocafaz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Preferred pronouns are up to the person in question, not our assumptions on binary genders. But yeah, I think that's a safe assumption in this instance.

[–]Pharo212 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd probably treat it the same way as someone in the real world who's on hormones and maybe had cosmetic surgery but not like GRS or anything majorly reconstructive?

[–]fuhtian -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Transcendental :)

[–]lokikaraokeKaraoke [MEGA] on NSP 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mentioned this here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3aumel/first_transsexual_npc_in_lions_arch/csg3qz7

But in general, it's safer to go with "transgender" unless the person specifies/requests otherwise.