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[–]Abu_AdderallFree Syrian Army 9ポイント10ポイント  (15子コメント)

"Dinar" and "Dirham" are Arabizations of Latin and Greek currency names. The numerals are derived from Indian symbols. Real Salafis pay for things with camels.

[–]lallabuya[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (14子コメント)

"Dinar" and "Dirham" are Arabizations of Latin and Greek currency names. The numerals are derived from Indian symbols. Real Salafis pay for things with camels.

Abbasid coins

It is more than the currency. What we're talking about is the Islamic economic system based on Zakaat and the elimination of Ribaa which bridges the gap between rich and poor and thus prevents the accumulation of wealth in the hands of a few individuals. The way the world works today is like a pyramid construction. If you're interested you can search the information yourself on central banks, IMF, and especially BIS in Zwitserland which controls everything related to the international economy.

[–]throwmeboneEuropean Union 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really, can I ask you, why don't you add Dawla's flair to your name? You do nothing but reposting their PR, why are you afraid to use the Prophet's seal?

[–]Solna 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

How will this work in more detail?

[–]Ian_WYPG 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

IS will blow a bunch of their currency reserves buying precious metals.

They will then waste time and effort into trying to mint it.

There will be a small amount made, and it will be used once or twice.

And then it will be either melted down, or sold to collectors.

[–]ofarrizzleUnited States of America 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

More crucially, their international isolation will constrain imports and exports, which IS gradually assumes full control of. A possible scheme is the banishment of any other currencies, all of which will be solely possessed by IS itself. This would basically give them complete control of economic life in their areas through complete control of all imports and exports. Being the only people who can legally possess dollars and euros without being murdered will make IS very wealthy.

[–]Ian_WYPG 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Da3sh is, at the end of the day, a State. Making people use your money to pay taxes in is one of the things a State does.

The bigger problem for Da3sh is their limited access to the international arms market.

[–]ofarrizzleUnited States of America 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's less about taxes than limiting independent economic activity. If merchants can't even possess dollars or euros within Daesh-land, then all their trade must flow through IS itself. Given that they can't trade Daesh coins for regular currency outside Dash-land either, trade becomes even more centrally controlled. It gives IS a level of control over the daily lives of its subjects that wouldn't be possible if it simply used regular currencies, which can be regularly traded as they always have.

[–]basedcodreanu 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

they can't trade Daesh coins for regular currency

Do you not know what the coins are made of?

[–]ofarrizzleUnited States of America 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If the only way you can trade the currency is melting it down and selling it on the gold market, the currency is going to have a few issues.

[–]basedcodreanu [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The currency has inherent value granted to it by the materials it's made from. The coin does not have to be melted down for it to gain value. You'd only have to melt it down if you wanted to re-purpose the gold. If you're looking to exchange it into fiat money, simply take it to a gold trader. It's gold - do you think they care whether it's a piece of jewellery or a coin made by evil terrorists? They melt it down and you get an amount of money lower than its actual value. It's simple, intuitive and makes the coin the opposite of what you say it is.

[–]NotVladeDivacTurkey [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Just a heads up. Im an economics student so, with that in mind, that's not really an abnormal way to import products as a merchant.

You have a U.S. flair so I'm assuming you're an American. In the US importers just present dollars and import whatever they need. In countries with less circulated currency, it works more or less how Da3sh's system would work. If you're Ukrainian you would sell your Hryvnia either on the open market or to the government, to buy dollars or euros and then import goods. This is why countries can implement currency controls and try to set exchange rates.

Tldr it's not such a big deal that trade would have to run through the IS government

[–]ofarrizzleUnited States of America [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you're Ukrainian you would sell your Hryvnia either on the open market or to the government, to buy dollars or euros and then import goods. This is why countries can implement currency controls and try to set exchange rates.

It's less that IS has its own currency than that they're likely to ban the use of anything else. This gives them the sole and exclusive control over other currencies, and given that trade in and out of their territory is limited to smuggling through increasingly-limited border crossings, full control of all trade in general. It gives them a level of control over the economic life that governments like Ukraine don't have. If the hryvnia collapsed, they would start crucifying people for switching to dollars and circumventing government oversight, particularly exorbitant taxation. I wouldn't put that past IS. It's a bit of a unique situation because IS has so much experience in smuggling and illicit economic activity itself.

[–]LlanganatiEcuador 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Socialism is a better solution to the world's brutal economic structure.

Plus it lacks the massacres, theocracy, ultra-sectarianism, and slavery.

[–]Abu_AdderallFree Syrian Army 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

it lacks the massacres...

Heh

[–]Herefordiscussion2United States of America 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

So "Islamic currency" is a thing now? Currency is currency, even non Muslim currency is "Islamic currency" as so long as it has value and can be traded. Sometimes the ridiculousness of these claims is just asinine..

[–]gaz6 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're basing it on the original denominations and weights for coinage in the first Islamic caliphate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_gold_dinar

[–]Herefordiscussion2United States of America 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's fine but will it cause more problems than solutions? That's a discussion for trained economists. As far as legal rulings in fiqh, any currency that can be traded in a timely manner and 'hand to hand' (person to person) is permissible. (hanafi)

Enforcing a gold standard in a limited area (and not widespread across lands) can be pretty disastrous for a local community. And as someone earlier mentioned - it would be more prosperous to melt it down and sell it in the black market...

The issue of gold standard has been raised in the past, I have yet to see it work in person, though my suspicions would be an economic collapse if it is not used across many lands (due to trade).

[–]NotVladeDivacTurkey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

On the contrary, the gold standard would be a stable controller of inflation and if daesh is smart enough, they would set the exchange rate to the equivalent dollar value of the weight of gold of the coins, so there's no reason to melt them down

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    [–]kluu_Anarchist-Communist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The maps you're thinking of actually show the places close to the poles much larger than they actually are in relation to the areas close to the equator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection

    Da'esh just chose a different projection, nothing wrong about it. And it makes sense they'd emphasize their areas more. We here in Europe usually put Europe in the center of the maps and over in the US maps are often america-centric even if it means splitting up Eurasia: http://www.culturaldetective.com/images/Mercator.gif