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[–]dbbost 1121ポイント1122ポイント  (54子コメント)

This feels like it would make a good South Park episode

[–]yew_anchor 297ポイント298ポイント  (40子コメント)

They had one that covered this topic years ago. It's called Chef Goes Nanners.

[–]GumdropGoober 512ポイント513ポイント  (32子コメント)

I had forgotten just how hilariously racist South Park's flag was:

http://i.imgur.com/sXvaOTw.png

[–]castellar 117ポイント118ポイント  (9子コメント)

Oh my fucking god the revised flag is the funniest thing I've seen in months.

[–]BinaryIdiot 219ポイント220ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's not racist! It's heritage! Why do you want to take away our heritage!?

[–]a_shootin_star 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't see a black man until you mentioned it.. all I see what a dead man and black is the colour of death, so.. I am innocent.

[–]Sivart_Eel 199ポイント200ポイント  (10子コメント)

If Wikipedia is accurate then the last shot of the American Civil War was fired on June 22, 1865.

Exactly 150 years later. Well played, Wal Mart. Well played.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

[–]cigr 379ポイント380ポイント  (55子コメント)

My local news station put this up on their facebook feed and it brought the rednecks out in force. The number of people calling for boycotts of Walmart was stunning. Of course the most fun were the ones who thought they should also ban the sale of rap music just to be fair.

[–]MysterySexyMan 168ポイント169ポイント  (19子コメント)

Oh my gosh- the local news stations on Facebook... x_x

[–]scy1192 118ポイント119ポイント  (13子コメント)

nothing ruins faith in your peers more than reading the comments on local news... or the craigslist rants and raves section

[–]Redblud 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

Facebook has made it really easy to see what your friends have commented on, too. I try not to look at them but 9/10 cringeworthy, 1/10 straight up racism.

[–]Lots42 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

or the craigslist rants and raves section

Oh sweet Jesus, this -exists-?

[–]KapiTod 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got a funny one! Sort of related to local news since they report on these morons all the time.

I'm from Northern Ireland, and our versions of rednecks are called Fleggers. They're basically Loyalists, very racist, very sectarian, very homophobic. They also love to claim that their culture is being destroyed by Irish Catholics.

Anyway due to the Ulster-Scots, evangelical Protestant thing they have a strong connection with Hillbillies and the Deep South, so they like to bring our Confederate and KKK flags, along with their Israeli and UVF flegs.

However this one twat, Jamie Bryson, an illiterate moron, benefit scrounger, convicted felon, and self-appointed representative of all Protestant-Unionist-Loyalist people, has taken it upon himself to compare the degrading of Orange culture in NI with the treatment of Blacks in the American south.

TL;DR: In NI we have a group of people who identify with both segregated Blacks, the State of Israel, and with the Ku Klux Klan without a trace of irony.

[–]stonebone4 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I managed a local news Facebook page for a few years...I'm pretty sure it gave me PTSD

[–]letstalkthings1 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

Gotta love it right? Walmart refused to help pay for building code improvements in a factory in Bangladesh that resulted in a building collapse that killed over a 1000 people.... and when a new building was being built STILL refused to help pay to build it to code..and who protested?

As Walmart has destroyed the self sustainability of small town after small town, from coast to coast. Who protested?

As they've driven wages into the ground, kept people from working full time (while expecting off-the-clock work or risk losing your job) so they can't get benefits... who protested?

As they've closed up entire stores, laying off how many people? , just to prevent employees from unionizing--where were the protests?

But my oh my... stop selling your bigot-flag and watch the rednecks take to the streets.

[–]jredwards 3466ポイント3467ポイント  (640子コメント)

Congratulations, South Carolina. You're officially too racist for Walmart.

[–]TiredPaedo 551ポイント552ポイント  (109子コメント)

No, they're not.

The only color that matters to Wal-Mart is green.

It's just toxic merchandise right now.

If it wouldn't harm their bottom line not to discontinue it they'd use any excuse to keep selling it.

Which means capitalism worked in this instance I suppose.

Yay I guess.

[–]MyManD 129ポイント130ポイント  (90子コメント)

Buuuuut wouldn't the Wal-Marts that stock these items, the ones in Confederate states, actually continue to see sales? We're against it, but it certainly feels like the people of the states that actually hang the Confederate flag dig the hell out of it.

I actually chock this one incident up to Wal-Mart being semi-cognizant.

[–]Volentimeh 92ポイント93ポイント  (14子コメント)

Something else to keep in mind (I work in retail) is that some stock lines are carried not so much because you make a profit off them, but because you are expected to carry them. People learn to rely on being able to come in and buy that odd doodad that takes up valuable shelf space and doesn't sell all that well, so that they buy the stuff that actually makes a good profit while they are there.

The flags are likely that odd doodad that walmart won't miss loosing a few low profit sales of.

[–]Clawless 20ポイント21ポイント  (10子コメント)

Plus they stand to gain sales over the news of them discontinuing the item, more than they lose by not carrying it.

[–]mrdexie 21ポイント22ポイント  (9子コメント)

Nobody's gonna say "oh look, there's this store called Walmart apparently, and it no longer sells the confederate flag. Might as well go there"

[–]RoboChrist 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

If the headline was "Walmart refuses to stop selling confederate flags", I might stop buying stuff there. I have alternatives.

[–]lumaga 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Their labor and business practices are tolerable, but make a dime from selling an old cloth or bumper sticker and that's too far?

Is that right?

[–]AnimusNoctis 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their labor and business practices are certainly a much bigger concern, but that doesn't mean the flag isn't bad. Imagine if they were selling Nazi flags. I'd bet a lot of people would boycott them for it.

[–]msthe_student 35ポイント36ポイント  (7子コメント)

Wal-Mart is more afraid of people not buying anything at their store than they are of not people not buying the confederate flag at them

[–]falk225 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, Walmart just wants to be left out of the whole thing. "You people figure out what's ok and whats not. When your done let us know and we'll sell it to you."

[–]omniron 840ポイント841ポイント  (443子コメント)

Rregarding their rebel flag on the Mississippi flag... I just learned they added it in the 50s to send the specific message they are a segregated state It was flown in pro-segregation rallies along with the "rebel flag". So shameless how racist people were back then. It blows my mind how many people don't believe these types of actions by the government couldn't have resulted in the wealth disparity we see between blacks and whites in America.

Half of Americans until the late 80s didn't believe in interracial dating, you're telling me this didn't affect job, education, and legal system treatment of blacks?

It's almost sickening how little we do to identify and fix these problems.

[–]claireballoon 200ポイント201ポイント  (126子コメント)

My mom is very young, and she swam in segregated pools growing up. And then eventually the gov made them open it up to black people, so instead they just closed the pool. :/ This was central MS.

Edit: wasn't a pool, it was the lake by the jackson zoo

[–]chrisjuan69 140ポイント141ポイント  (84子コメント)

I'm from Louisiana. My dad went to an all boys public high school. When they integrated the schools, they decided to segregate the high schools by sex. They gave some bullshit reason, but everyone knew that the reason they did this was to prevent kids from getting in interracial relationships. I can totally believe that that happened at that public pool. There were some pretty extreme measures taken when segregation went down.

Edit: This was in my parish. I don't know how many other parishes did this or if any counties in any other state did this. It went up until the late 80s. Some lady wanted both of her kids to go to the same high school so she took it to court and won. Also, I went to that same high school for a year and totally made out with a black girl in the stairway once. I always found that ironic.

[–]8bitmorals 81ポイント82ポイント  (72子コメント)

They filled the public pools in Audubon Park with dirt before they let blacks swim in there, they made rules about walking on sidewalks after 8:00 PM, made rules about crossing bridges, riding bikes, walking on the street.

They made laws that inconvenienced some white folks, but made it impossible for blacks to just get around after hours.

Bus stops that stopped running at 8:00 PM from Metarie/Kenner

[–]el_guapo_malo 130ポイント131ポイント  (65子コメント)

It's still going on today. Look at North Carolina and all their voter suppression measures. Shutting down polling stations in "urban" neighborhoods. Getting rid of early voting. Enacting voter ID laws that allow hunting licenses but not official state university identifications. Getting rid of same day voting for those who just turned 18. Not allowing students to vote where they go to school and live at.

Republican representatives have straight out admitted that it was all to prevent a certain demographic from voting.

[–]Astridasteroid 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

VA is notorious for gerrymandering. They lumped the majority of black people into one district - thankfully my state has been called the fuck out as being unconstitutional. They also put the county I live in (which has a HUGE Hispanic population) in another district full of racially intolerant white people. It sucked when my husband and I were dealing with immigration because our congressman was one of those "DEPORT ALL MECKSICANS" types.

[–]jozzarozzer 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's always weird to me how America works, it's pretty unique to the rest of the world. each state is like it's own country and they're all just Governed by the federal government, but otherwise have free rule. Here in Australia the difference between states is more like "yeah you can go an extra 5km/h sometimes."

[–]macdoge1 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's the idea behind our founding/constitution, but it has become much less so than what it was in the beginning

[–]XSplain 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be honest, it seems like a good idea, as an outsider. Spreading power out as much as possible is pretty fucking important for a democracy. The issue I see is that it seems to work too well in a lot of cases. One fuckwit can jam up everything, or states/counties can cause a massive amount of inefficiency by refusing to work together to standardize things because of local special interests.

[–]The_sad_zebra 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

The US was a confederacy for a short time (not the same thing as the Confederate States of America).

Before the founding fathers had decided to make the federal government stronger, the US was almost more like the EU than it was a single country. In fact, many people used to identify with their state, not the US... Texans still do that...

[–]porgy_tirebiter 20ポイント21ポイント  (10子コメント)

I moved to Japan from Greensboro nine years ago. Every time I read about my state, it makes me sad. As a career educator, I feel like I can never go home again. :(

[–]brent0935 47ポイント48ポイント  (35子コメント)

Went to a fancy campground (think elevated cabins costing thousands of dollars) with my boyfriend at the time, also in central MS, and they still don't let blacks (or anyone not white or straight) in, as guests or owners.

[–]TheKolbrin 410ポイント411ポイント  (226子コメント)

Identify and fix problems? The day it happened I posted about the problem of 24/7 racist sites - including subs on reddit- and how they can impact the weak minded. I got d/v to hell.

http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3a9ec9/charleston_church_shootingmanhunt_megathread/csbhgmt

When I was young I listened to Germans who escaped Germany talking to my great grandmother on a regular basis. I know what the effect of 'papering' (as they called the dissemination of racial tracts) can do to drive race-hate. People can deny it all they want but they need to face up to it.

Once an belief has sanction of approval by seemingly large numbers of people or government action the believers tend to multiply like cockroaches and start acting out. The Confederate Flag on government land is one type of sanction of approval.

[–]omniron 270ポイント271ポイント  (121子コメント)

Is providing a "safe harbor" to racists. You don't have to explicitly endorse something to support it, you just have to give those ideas a place to grow and hide.

It's what some of the GOP candidates were doing by deflecting, or not mentioning the racist aspect of the attack, it's what Fox was doing by trying to paint this as a religious attack, it's what redditors do when they down vote people for trying to point out racist disparities.

The internet will always harbor racists, but there is absolutely no reason to give racists a shred of safe harbor when it comes to government institutions.

[–]ProbablyRickSantorum 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

The South Carolina flag today is the same as it has been since 1861.

[–]waitstaph 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

That flag was adopted in 1894 and a referendum to get rid of it was defeated in 2001.

[–]porkbellybourbon 302ポイント303ポイント  (23子コメント)

Confederate Flag: made in China

[–]GarrioValere 62ポイント63ポイント  (14子コメント)

Same place most American-flag merchandise is made...

[–]TiBiDi 44ポイント45ポイント  (10子コメント)

Actually most flags in the world are made in china

[–]PM_ME_A_CONVERSATION 54ポイント55ポイント  (6子コメント)

Except the Chinese flag, which is made in Taiwan.

[–]Humanius 119ポイント120ポイント  (5子コメント)

Which, according to China, is technically also China.

[–]Nebuchadnezzar-II 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

According to Taiwan as well. The dispute is about who is the legitimate government of China.

[–]piyoucaneat 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And technically China is the best kind of China.

[–]Xarieste 1071ポイント1072ポイント  (626子コメント)

Based on the people I've seen at Walmart, this is gonna piss some people off. Maybe it'll become habitable again.

[–]Lazerspewpew 454ポイント455ポイント  (534子コメント)

They can still buy their shirts, flags and accessories at any gas station south of the Mason Dixon line.

[–]BinaryIdiot 26ポイント27ポイント  (18子コメント)

Funny thing is there are a lot of parts north of that line where you see the flag EVERYWHERE. There is a place in northern York, PA where it's almost every damn house flies that flag. I even saw one that had it as a porch canopy!

[–]unfairkickazz93 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yep where I live in northern Michigan people have it hanging. There is even a guy that has the flag mounted on his truck. It is a 4ft diameter flag too.

[–]Peanutbutta33 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've seen the Confederate Flag in North Jersey it's more common in the South but plenty in the North also display this flag.

[–]Johnsu 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Psh, Walmart still sells duck dynasty shit. Theyll be okay.

[–]Tantric989 272ポイント273ポイント  (502子コメント)

It's funny (not funny) that line still exists. Especially if you look at any socioeconomic chart still today. The South has never recovered from the Civil war.

[–]f_h_muffman 76ポイント77ポイント  (12子コメント)

Cross it going from Maryland to Pennsylvania and I guarantee you'll think you are going the wrong way. It is a rural/urban thing more than a south/north thing.

[–]NoGuide 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah...I grew up in south central PA and went to school in Maryland. The confederate flag was way more popular in my part of PA than it was in MD.

[–]LiberumVeto 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, the whole "We're going to treat you like shit, mock you, and shit on you forever because you aren't getting better!" thing makes it harder to get better.

A bit like beating an injured person for not improving.

[–]InternLyfe 173ポイント174ポイント  (277子コメント)

Austin's doing pretty well for itself.

[–]me_gusta_poon 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's not doing as well as Houston or Dallas. Austin isn't the standard bearer in Texas by any means.

[–]d357r0y3r 162ポイント163ポイント  (40子コメント)

So are, to various degrees, Raleigh, Atlanta, Charleston, and several other southern metro areas.

Anyone that lives around these areas can tell you that they're surrounded by backwards thinking cultures. The metro areas are an oasis of commerce and forward thinking ideas.

And of course, the metro areas wouldn't be complete with their ghettos.

[–]COMMENT_DESERVES_Au 146ポイント147ポイント  (22子コメント)

Ever been to Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc? That is not the South. It's just urban vs rural

[–]Tantric989 41ポイント42ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well that's fantastic. Chattanooga has municipal broadband (which is bringing in web developers from Silicon Valley) and is investing heavily in promoting bicycles as alternative green transportation and putting in new bike lanes. A few exceptions to the rule that hopefully will stand out enough that other cities start to take notice.

[–]keithps 42ポイント43ポイント  (11子コメント)

Tennessee is an odd duck of the civil war anyway. Last to leave the union, first back, only one without a military governor. Also, the east 1/3 tried to succeed from the rest of the state, as the east part of the state isn't as topographically friendly to farming and thus, slaves. In fact, I believe there was a majority vote in Hamilton County (Chattanooga) to join the union during the war.

[–]LargeAdultSon 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

North Carolina was the last out. Tennessee was the last to join the Confederacy after it seceded.

[–]mattcuz83 44ポイント45ポイント  (23子コメント)

Every shithole state has a city where all the creative, interesting people gather. I felt that way about Lawrence, Kansas as well.

[–]Swimbo 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's Huntsville for Alabama, in case anyone was wondering.

[–]flash__ 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's where are the smart people gather. The more creative, interesting (bohemian?) people are headed to downtown Birmingham, so I've heard.

[–]tonyofhousestark_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is pretty true except for Texas. DFW, Houston, and Austin are all very prominent and important cities/metroplexes.

[–]jackblack2323 114ポイント115ポイント  (166子コメント)

All of Texas is doing well.

[–]lofi76 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. Texas has a maternal mortality rate on par with Somalia. The poor in TX live in horrific conditions. The land-grabbing GOP gov. banned frack bans in Denton. There are AWFUL trends there, unless you're a corporation. Maybe you're a corporation, though. I know they can vote - so posting on reddit is likely not far behind...

Maternal mortality rates approaching 1-in-1,000 pregnant women occur in places such as Somalia and Texas.

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According to 2010 data released by the United States Census Bureau's Current Population Survey, Texas has the highest rate of uninsured people of any state, with 24.6 percent of Texas residents, or 6.2 million people, uninsured. That means one out of every four people in Texas live without health insurance.

[–]its_not_funny 228ポイント229ポイント  (152子コメント)

I am calling bullshit on that. Texas has one of the highest poverty rates in the nation. A small percentage of Texans may be "doing well", but a larger number of them are not.

[–]freemovies4all 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well Houston, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth are all doing very well. Hell Plano, Texas outside of Dallas is basically the model for large prosperous suburb. Of course people living in the country are worse off, there isn't much oppritunity there.

[–]loudnoises461 219ポイント220ポイント  (80子コメント)

A lot of that is concentrated in the Rio Grande valley along the border where illegal immigrants and first generation immigrants have settled and their poverty brings down the average of the rest of the state. Edit: Context http://imgur.com/7F1tw6P

[–]MyAltAltAcct 21ポイント22ポイント  (7子コメント)

There's a good portion of east texas, especially the rural areas that are just as bad as the Rio Grande valley, it's really bad up in the ArkLaTex

[–]Texanshateme 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Texas has the 12th biggest economy in the world and the 2nd strongest in this country. Who gives a fuck if some idiot on the Internet is 'calling bullshit.'

[–]fishgoesmoo 29ポイント30ポイント  (25子コメント)

I thought you were kidding but you're actually right. Texas has the 6th worst poverty rate in USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_poverty_rate

[–]dontworryimhigh 64ポイント65ポイント  (22子コメント)

As a Texan that's bullshit. Jobs are plenty if you're a skilled worker. Making a living wage is pretty easy considering we have a relatively low cost of living.

[–]JaehaerysTheWise 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shit. I'm from Louisiana, and I have been on 4 different turnarounds in Texas. There is plenty of work, that's for sure.

[–]the-usual-unusual 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep baton Rouge right here and I spend just as much time working around Baytown as I do BR. The problem isn't lack of economy it is lack of people willing to work. I am 25 and have never went more than a week without work.

[–]Yosarian2 50ポイント51ポイント  (39子コメント)

A lot of that is actually because of the way that Southerns reacted during reconstuction. People from the North who moved down to the South to invest money, or to teach, or to farm, ect, were called "carpetbaggers" and driven away. The South badly needed that capital in order to rebuild, but they drove away the people who would have supplied it.

Segregation also caused very severe economic consequences, lowering wages for black and white workers alike and lowering the economic productivity of the whole region. It's worth noting that economic growth was terrible for the first century after the civil war, and then got a lot better after segregation ended.

(Ok, to be fair, the invention of air conditioning also helped...)

[–]Tantric989 41ポイント42ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah, I always felt that segregation was a horrible thing. "Seperate but equal" meant you'd need to put in 4 bathrooms where you'd normally put in two. It also meant black schools and white schools, which meant smaller, less efficient school systems. Meant buses that were inefficient at loading/unloading and filling up passengers. Meant restaurants had to have a "negro" section which made it harder to ensure they'd have free tables.

I mean, the logistics of it alone is a really terrible idea, which says nothing about how terrible having a caste system of second-class citizens is.

[–]TheBearRapist 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

Think about how the construction industry must have felt at that time. Goldmine!

[–]Tantric989 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kind of like the construction boom right before the recession that cost millions of jobs. When people are building lots of unnecessary or overly lavish buildings, housing and infrastructure, everybody loses.

[–]DrXaos 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

| Yeah, I always felt that segregation was a horrible thing. "Seperate but equal" meant you'd need to put in 4 bathrooms where you'd normally put in two

That's the bad part of segregation?

This is what I learnt when I grew up:

Do you really think they meant any of the "equal" part of the "separate but equal" excuse?

"Separate but equal" is what the apologists claimed was what segregation was about.

They were lying.

Everybody knew they were lying.

Segregation was not putting in four bathrooms instead of two, it was putting in two and pointing the underclass at the ditch.

Full disclosure: When I was young I thought the song made famous by Billie Holiday, Strange Fruit, was about, well, fruit.

It's about lynching.

[–]wellssh 43ポイント44ポイント  (5子コメント)

People from the North who moved down to the South to invest money, or to teach, or to farm, ect, were called "carpetbaggers"

The southern economy had collapsed. These northerners more often than not exploiting people's misery. They forced people out of their homes. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpetbagger

"In United States history, a carpetbagger was a Northerner who moved to the South after the American Civil War, especially during the Reconstruction era (1865–1877), in order to profit from the instability and power vacuum that existed at this time."

It's funny that you cite segregation for causing low wages and then note the industrial boom in the modern South. It was precisely these low wages (and especially lack of unions) that drew manufacturing away from the rust belt and relocated much of it in the sun belt.

[–]Yosarian2 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The southern economy had collapsed. These northerners more often than not exploiting people's misery. They forced people out of their homes.

That's the way a lot of southern historians recorded it.

It's not really accurate, though. A lot of them were soldiers who wanted to move south and start farming after the war. Others were idealists, people who wanted to help educate the newly freed black people. (They were the ones who were most likely to be attacked by southerners, of course). And still others were investors, buisnessmen. You can say "Oh, they were just trying to take advantage", but when the economy is in ruins you need someone with capital who's willing to buy out destroyed houses or farms, rebuild them, and sell them. You need people with capital willing to invest.

The so-called "carpetbaggers" were exactally what the South needed in order to rebuild. The fact that they violently drove so many of them out is part of the reason the South was so slow to rebuild.

It's funny that you cite segregation for causing low wages and then note the industrial boom in the modern South. It was precisely these low wages (and especially lack of unions) that drew manufacturing away from the rust belt and relocated much of it in the sun belt.

"Factories going to lower wage areas" is one of the steps in most places developing an industrial economy; first they attract factories with their workforce willing to work for lower wages, then later they move to higher value added kinds of industry as wages rise. It's happened over and over again in different parts of the world.

But the key thing here is that that process didn't really get started in the South in a big way until after segregation ended, even though it started happening in other parts of the world earlier then that (like Japan, for example). Realistically, it couldn't; segregation and discrimination limited the availability of the local work force, and it discouraged people from investing in the South. That kind of inflexible social structure also tended to keep local "aristocrats" in power, which made the kind of economic transition to industry, the kind of economic disruptions the South needed, much less likely

[–]IamRooseBoltonAMA 94ポイント95ポイント  (76子コメント)

Man, do people actually believe this shit? Have you ever been to Atlanta, Austin, Birmingham, Charlotte, Dallas, or any of the booming Southern cities? As a Southerner I can't stand this bullshit stereotype that we all are a bunch of barefoot hicks waiting for the South to rise again.

The civil war left deep scars, and completely changed Southern society and culture. It is, however, idiotic to say the South never "recovered" from the war between the states.

[–]Tantric989 103ポイント104ポイント  (62子コメント)

As a Southerner I can't stand this bullshit stereotype that we all are a bunch of barefoot hicks waiting for the South to rise again.

I think getting rid of symbols like the Confederate flag that constantly remind the world that Southern Pride is a mindset of a backwards and conquered people would be a good start. It also doesn't help that at least here in the North, the only people to ever talk about the confederate states or fly confederate colors are racist as all hell. You've got hundreds of millions of people who grow up and the only thing they equate the CSA flag are to people like Dylan Roof.

[–]ApShacoOp 54ポイント55ポイント  (32子コメント)

The problem with being raised in the south is that you aren't told that it's racist. You aren't even told that other people find it racist. You're told that it was the flag flown by Gen. Lee in the Civil War. You're told about how both sides lost so much in the war and why it's important to fight for what you believe. It just represents a group of people who fought for their rights and pride in being a southerner. But I agree it should be taken down and forgotten. At some point, Americans should realize we are just that, Americans, not northerners, southerners, rednecks, yankees, or whatever else.

[–]Neri25 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's possible to have respect for men like General Lee (who strictly as a military commander deserves much of it, without him the confederacy would have fallen quickly) while having absolutely no respect for the cause for which he fought.

[–]moose098 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't Lee going to fight for the union but he had a change of heart because he didn't want to kill fellow Virginians?

[–]mattomatto 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes. And symbols aren't half of it. What about the pervasive argument you'll hear down there that the civil war "wasn't about slavery"? It's time to stop the bullshit. There is a dead elephant in the room folks.

[–]yew_anchor 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

Tends to happen when the region gets sacked or razed. Baghdad was once an important center of science until the Mongols wrecked it almost 800 years ago and it never really recovered.

[–]DrProfessorPHD_Esq 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

It never had much infrastructure to begin with either, which is part of the reason the confederacy lost the war.

[–]Tiktaalik1984 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

When the war first started some of the confederate soldiers were using flintlocks. They were severely under equipped to go toe to toe with the industrialized north.

[–]donny_pots 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

the "posts to page" section of their facebook page is probably hilarious right now

[–]defcon-12 67ポイント68ポイント  (21子コメント)

Based on the people I've seen at Walmart, it is one of the most racially integrated businesses in the US. I can think of very few other large organizations in the US that have the racial diversity in both customers and employees of Walmart.

[–]APTX-4869 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree. Very often I see people judge Wal-Mart by their customers, which never made a whole lot of sense to me.

Judge them by their business practices and ethics, sure, but not by their customers.

[–]_Kaiser 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Its not so much as judging Wal Mart but rather just people trying to make themselves feel better by viewing everyone else as inferior.

[–]StormyRaindeer 24ポイント25ポイント  (38子コメント)

See, you have to be wise about the time you go visit the great expanse that is Walmart. If you ever visit past 11:00PM, God have mercy on your soul, because you will see all the dregs of humanity milling about in there.

[–]TeamLittleFinger 110ポイント111ポイント  (22子コメント)

The dregs of humanity are at Walmart 24/7. Honestly, it's better after 11 pm. They're still crazy, but there's far, far fewer of them in the store at that hour.

[–]ExParteVis 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unless you happen to be in at that time before the 1st, 3rd, etc.

[–]SHINX_FUCKER 53ポイント54ポイント  (14子コメント)

I always thought people were exaggerating about the people who shop at Walmart, having never been to one in my life (there are other, better grocery stores around here), but then I went into one for the first time and saw a morbidly obese shirtless man in a cowboy hat and a family of 5(also morbidly obese) all in their pajamas with the mom carrying a kitten in her shirt

This was at 6 PM

[–]thisisrediculou 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Where do you live? I've seen some shit at Walmart, like 5 year old twins wearing nothing but diapers, but I've never seen a shirtless man or animals and I used to go there all the time when I was a teen.

[–]Aquarian_Sage 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

As someone who used to frequent Wal*Mart at one in the morning, the store is far more preferable at night than during the day. Less people to deal with and shorter waits in line.

[–]pablothe 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You lived in Walmart???

[–]good2gome 91ポイント92ポイント  (25子コメント)

Now if we can just get the gas stations to stop selling glass roses!

[–]1900grs 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

What am I going to get my wife for Valentine's Day then since I forgot it was Valentine's Day and didn't remember until I stopped for gas after work?

[–]AbbaWaterloo 39ポイント40ポイント  (17子コメント)

Recovering addict here. I remember going to gas stations to buy those, with the Chore Boy, and saying I needed them for an art project. One day in line, this middle aged, burly, contractor looking guy pipes up while in line "Yea, I uhhh also need those for an art project, heh heh heh." For those not in the know, the glass roses are crack pipes and you need Chore Boy to make it work. Crack is a filthy, destructive drug.

[–]BinaryResult 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Whats chore boy?

[–]Deathcubek9001 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's one of those steel scrubbing pads.

[–]wildlifeisbestlife 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Copper. That's why Chore Boy is the preferred brand.

[–]Champigne 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

I never felt the need to explain myself when buying a rose. It's pretty obvious what you're going to do with it.

[–]Fractal_Strike 55ポイント56ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Introducing our new line of red star tablecloths with reinforced edges!"

[–]SquishSquash81 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"And Dukes of Hazard wind cloths!"

[–]Gearleader 35ポイント36ポイント  (19子コメント)

Yea..i live in the middle of Bama and have not seen one instance of Walmart selling Confederate Flag merchandise.

Now camo and Duck Dynasty on the other hand

[–]Boh-Boh 399ポイント400ポイント  (218子コメント)

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal."

Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy. For anyone thinking the civil war was about "states rights". This is what the confederate battle flag represents.

[–]theHangedGod 17ポイント18ポイント  (14子コメント)

What a weird world it would be if the Civil War played out differently.

[–]LordBufo 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Imperial Russian Fleet anchored of New York and San Fransisco to show commitment to defending the Union if Great Britain sided with the Confederacy. Could easily had gone global if King Cotton worked.

[–]EarthExile 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

There'd be cops killing black kids all the time and getting away with it

[–]OnionNo 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

A little late; though I'd wager not much would have changed, save for a differing line in alliances and trade agreements.

Slavery would have given out by virtue of the machine. Morality simply came first. Incidentally, it too came a little late, considering the generations of damage caused.

[–]SauteedGoogootz 137ポイント138ポイント  (7子コメント)

Alexander H. Stephens, a true Reddit "race realist"

[–]ChemicalOle 115ポイント116ポイント  (0子コメント)

He wasn't racist, he just hated "slave culture"

/s

[–]dont_knockit 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men.

A century later, still hoping the principle will prevail. Progress on this front is slow. Wish I knew which Northern representative "of great power and ability" had said this.

[–]pintomp3 61ポイント62ポイント  (22子コメント)

Don't worry, they will try to move the bar and claim the flag isn't for the Confederacy, but for General Lee. Maybe the person, maybe the car. Whichever provides better cover for their racist flag.

[–]Tashre 92ポイント93ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's a little known fact that, behind the scenes, the General Lee was actually an incredibly racist car.

[–]Lots42 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a mostly rational adult, I double checked 'The Dukes Of Hazzard' tv show because I was worried about potential racism I might have missed as a kid. There was an episode where they helped a black dentist solve many of his problems. That was a relief.

[–]deeeeeeeep_dickin 65ポイント66ポイント  (8子コメント)

it's only fitting that confederate merchandise is made by foreign slave labor

[–]BoringSupreez 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like the Union Jack and the clothes you're wearing.

[–]EggheadDash 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

Translation: The bad PR is going to cost us more than the money the rednecks give us.

[–]MotleyCruise 119ポイント120ポイント  (83子コメント)

Okay, I've been through north Florida (redneck as fuck), Georgia, both Carolinas and Mississippi, but I've never seen Confederate flags sold anywhere but fairs, pawns, outdoor stores, and mom 'n pops.

Freggen' Wal-Mart, though? I am astounded.

[–]helpmeredditimbored 84ポイント85ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's what I thought. I've never seen confederate flag merchandise at Walmart. Lots of duck dynasty and camo merchandise though.

[–]Dr_Eam 66ポイント67ポイント  (25子コメント)

I live in Texas and I've never seen it sold anywhere.

[–]Yohanaten 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

Im in northern Indiana and I can buy a Confederate flask at a gas station.

[–]Guppy-Warrior 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I live in ohio... go to southern ohio and you can find confederate bullshit at small gas stations.. Its not widespread, but its around.

[–]Mister_Jay_Peg 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

I live in Colorado, and in Walmart's in the eastern plains I've seen a number of Battle Flag items, like shirts and hats.

The flag itself, no, but still.

[–]Speculations_319 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've lived in North Carolina my whole life, in the urban generally not-as-racist city of Raleigh, at that. There are confederate flags all over the place. On belts, on camo hats, on flag poles outside people's houses, on stickers people put on their trucks back windshield. It's not that you're wrong, it's that you underestimate just how many mom-and-pop shops and fishing shops and hunting stores and novelty shops we actually have, ESPECIALLY in places like The Outer Banks. It's fantastic that Wal-Mart is doing this, but they're definitely making more of an ideological difference than an economic one; people are going to be able to find confederate merchandise no matter what, and they won't have to try hard to do so.

[–]Alagane 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen it on shirts, hats, and various truck accessories.

[–]planetmatt 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dem Duke boys are heading over to Cooter's for a respray.

[–]Lorbe_Wabo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now if they could only stop selling products made by slaves.

[–]Slaves2Darkness 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Darn it, now how am I going to be able to identify the idiots?

[–]ericdared3 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

...in other news Walmart's sales plummet 75% this quarter.

[–]Tantric989 76ポイント77ポイント  (8子コメント)

Now where am I supposed to buy my confederate flag rear window decal for my truck that lets everyone know I'm a redneck douche bag?

[–]chantistar 36ポイント37ポイント  (48子コメント)

it disturbs me how people who have probably never been to the south or had to opportunity to enjoy southern living view southerners as some sort of fringe group. it is a very beautiful thing to live in the south and have southern customs. even if you are not southern one can appreciate southern hospitality..

[–]flockofpterodactyls 28ポイント29ポイント  (9子コメント)

That's what I find saddest about this "discussion." It seems to be less about the flag (or the more salient issue of our abysmal mental health system) and more about bashing the South/Southerners. I love my Southern culture and can say that through the lens of spending a number of years in the north for college/grad school.

[–]TheKolbrin 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

Everyone's just rushing to shut that fucking barn door, aren't they?

[–]run-a-muck 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a knee jerk reaction, 'We will show them' attitude. Gonna just make more racists by shoving 'what you want' down someones throat. confederatestuff.com is gonna make some money.

[–]KickenTentacles 31ポイント32ポイント  (11子コメント)

Welp, gonna have to login to Facebook and see who is protesting Walmart today. Bet it's the same people who ate at Chic-fil-a to show their support of free speech.

[–]C0N_QUESO 148ポイント149ポイント  (187子コメント)

Kid uses a gun to kill 9 people. Walmart stops selling Confederate flag, continues selling guns.

[–]scottevil110 36ポイント37ポイント  (11子コメント)

That's because:

Kid uses a gun to kill 9 people. Internet blames the Confederate flag. Many fewer blame the guns. Practically no one blames the kid.

[–]Ndifference 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Practically no one blames the kid.

Are you serious? In what way would you blame the kid that every news station and media outlet hasn't done?

[–]TehJohnny 66ポイント67ポイント  (114子コメント)

People are the issue, not guns. Their beliefs, morals, and ideologies. If it wasn't guns, it would be something else. Yeah, reducing guns might reduce the success of these wackos, you're not addressing the real issues.

[–]thisishowitwentwrong 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good thing I've been stocking up on confederate merchandise...soon I'll be sitting on a pile of confederate money!!!!

[–]_hurricanes 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fact that they have been to this point is mind boggling

[–]kinsmed 107ポイント108ポイント  (24子コメント)

I'm sure Hobby Lobby would love to have them.

[–]caffeineismandatory 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

Never bothered me seeing Steve Earl or Tom Petty rock out with a confederate flag behind them on stage.

[–]FBIapproved 51ポイント52ポイント  (17子コメント)

I can imagine a bunch of pissed off rednecks gathering in protest to bring back southern pride because "the south will rise again."

[–]Tantric989 78ポイント79ポイント  (8子コメント)

They won't have anything to wear now that wal-mart isn't carrying their uniforms.

[–]ElBiscuit 92ポイント93ポイント  (4子コメント)

You can buy sheets at Target, too.

[–]fratticus_maximus 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

Cool! I didn't know they like dressing up as ghosts!

[–]KILLSBITCHES 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not gonna lie, their ghost parties look fun. There's nothing better than chilling outside with a head blanket and a nice dress pajama making smores on top of a cross bonfire.

[–]g_mo821 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Camo can be bought at many places

[–]Ecips_Dlo 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, a flag made him kill 9 people. Makes perfect sense.

[–]clip_clop86 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

I was born and raised in Georgia and currently live in Florida. I have never seen any confederate flag stuff in Wal-Mart before. However, that is just anecdotal evidence seeing as how I never seeked any of that crap out.

[–]PixelsAreYourFriends 37ポイント38ポイント  (7子コメント)

ITT: People who have never been to SC makes blanket statements about all people from SC because a select few people are evil for believing in blanket statements about minorities.

Uuuuuuuuuh huh.

[–]SurtainDeth 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, ITT: People equate Walmart paying barely over minimum wage to 1800s slavery.