Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Online Harassment (HBO)

AFellowOfLimitedJest · 13時間前

Clearly, no one has shown John just how strongly Bing is tied with pornography. Seriously - for those who didn't know, click videos, turn off SafeSearch, and marvel at how easily your searches deliver.

MirrorNinjaBot · 15時間前

mirror - GB, AU restricted

TruckChuck · 8時間前

Aaaand so ends Reddit's love affair with John Oliver.

KingWhoBoreTheSword · 15時間前

At 12:55 doesn't John contradict himself a bit when he says how we can all still laugh at Anthony Weiner sending pictures of his penis out?

iSunMonkey · 13時間前

Was that Colin Hanks at the end???

cttouch · 13時間前

I'm going to go ahead and still recommend not sending naked photos to anyone if you fear them ending up online.

Kazthulu · 15時間前

I could do without featuring Anita or Wu but whatever. In the end a legitimate message about a legitimate problem got out there, and anything that helps to cut down on revenge porn is a good thing.

I will say that I think there's a difference between some jackass sending you threats that are probably illegitimate over a public forum through a burner account, and someone taking a picture in front of your house with a knife. Then again I've never had to deal with either so what do I know :P

I think the segment was a net positive. Not his best work, but fuck it, I'll keep watching. John Oliver is entertaining and most of his stuff is on point.

BtothejizA · 13時間前

Including Wu and Anita instantly made this more divisive than it needed to be.

Cut those two out and put in 30 seconds on swatting and everyone would have agreed on everything.

Moonswish · 13時間前

When reddit banned revenge porn, was the top comment of the announcements thread "Why isnt SRS banned?"?

killzon32 · 2時間前

No one should be supporting equal rights for a sub group, they should be wanting equal rights for everyone.

yayapfool · 14時間前

Hm, this is the first time i haven't felt totally on board with his rationale.

Reddit likes to see only black and white and up vote one sentiment to the stratosphere and downvote 'the' other to bedrock, but hear me out; i saw a lot of both good and bad in this video.

The thing that stands out the most is how blatantly stupid it is to equate (A)"If you don't want naked photos of your body to exist online, don't take them!" to (B)"If you don't want to get burgled, don't live in a house!" etc.

This metaphorical comparison would make sense IF:

A was "If you don't want naked photos of your body to exist online, don't ever be naked!" (Scenarios A and B now imply: If X does not exist in reality, X cannot be abused)

OR

B was "If you don't want to get burgled, don't give anyone else a key!" (Scenarios A and B now imply: Access to X is granted exclusively, doing so gives recipient power to abuse)

I know full and well nude pictures of myself could affect my life negatively in the wrong hands- which is why they will never end up in the wrong hands. If we need to make laws to safeguard peoples' bad sense of judgement, don't pretend that's not exactly what we're doing.

It would appear i agree with the legal aspects and effective ends and morals outlined in the video, i just think the rationalization for some were downright silly.

Melicalol · 13時間前

Honestly, I don't really care much about this episode and how much little research they even put to make it. What surprised me the most was the Bing part. Mate, the whole purpose of Bing is for vindictive perverts.

-TheCabbageMerchant- · 15時間前

Never knew John Oliver had some dank memes in store for us.

frrunkis · 14時間前

Don't want to get robbed, don't buy a house is a bad comparison.

Just saiyan.

Khers · 15時間前

Kind of takes away the seriousness of online harrassment when you feature 2 known liars that make a profit from it at the beginning of the segment.

Weatherboy · 15時間前

BRACE YOURSELVES

MattLieb · 11時間前

I'm not sure I agree with this segment. Don't get me wrong, I love John Oliver. But not as much as I hate women. John should go back to tackling issues that don't challenge my bias.

mkhpsyco · 5時間前

I can say right now that the fact that he included Anita and Wu, that I fully expected a big polarization in the comments here, and there is.

Anywhere from people saying that the "don't take pictures of yourself naked then" quotes are logical and correct, to people saying that those quotes are DEFINITELY victim blaming.

Yes, taking pictures of yourself is what opens the door for having the possibility of having that image posted. But it doesn't make sense to say that someone shouldn't do something that they want to do, for fear of having some idiot post it online. What John Oliver is calling for here is more awareness, let's get the rest of the states to ban it, let's get the federal government involved, let's get laws in place so that people don't have to COPYRIGHT their fucking bodies in order to get restitution.

The situation here isn't that he was blaming the internet for the problem, but merely that he is pointing out that due to the internet's ability to be used as a weapon, we should be having some very serious conversations about some of the shit that it enables. We already have a ton of laws in place keeping people from passing certain things around on the internet, why not this too.

As well, the whole Anita and Wu bit, my two cents on this are that if someone can get arrested for making a school shooting threat on the internet, why can't someone be arrested for making a death threat as well?

I love the internet, and I've been a long time user of forums, youtube, and reddit alike. But I'm not going to deny that there is a toxic mindset coming from a lot of what people say here and there. I avoid subreddits that don't share my opinions, and I avoid youtube comments almost entirely. But when it comes to public or private threats to someone's life, that should be considered serious, no matter what.

PM_ME_YOURBROKENHART · 15時間前

Saarkesian? Really?

John I'm disappoint.

Sonris · 4時間前

Good

Online harassment is a problem, and persistent vicious cases like revenge porn should be a crime punished by the government

Death threats and rape threats and all that shit is never okay or a reasonable thing to do, and people should be punished the same way you are punished for telling someone face to face that you are going to rape and murder them

Doxing is never okay in these situations either

suffice to say laws on cybercrimes are woefully underequiped and the US public and its lawmakers needs to take the time and energy to catch the laws up with the new technology

The bad

The people in this are controversial to say the least, that said even a broken clock is right twice a day. I agree with a lot of people I dont usually like on some subjects. Bill oreilly will even say something on point on occasion and I have little to no doubt that ANita has resecieved death/rape threats which is absolutely abhorrent.

That said online harassment is not a woman only problem and having a white penis does not save you from it. Just look at the suicide rates, men commit suicide far more often then women, part of that is from bullying which comes online now. How do you think it makes some white guy who is getting bullied and harassed on a day to day basis online feel if you say you get a free pass from this problem for being a white male? That line right there took the focus off the horrors of online harassment and shifted it to a feminist vs men argument. Hell one of the first cases of revenge porn I recall hearing about was a woman posting pictures of her ex husband online. Just leave it as a societal or human problem. There was no need to drop a "white privilege" bomb on a subject that pretty much effects everyone on the internet to some degree.

calexil · 14時間前

you lost me at sarkisian

Ozqo · 13時間前

It's sad to see that he thinks that white men don't get harassed. He's so horribly confused.

Oliver's logic isn't always solid. He likes to YELL AND GET REALLY PASSIONATE AND DROWN OUT ANY CRITICAL THOUGHT OF HIS POINTS WITH THE EMPHASIS HE GIVES! I'm surprised he doesn't froth at the mouth when he speaks.

stillclub · 15時間前

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YellowFellow95 · 15時間前

According to John Oliver only women are under threat from internet harassment.

This whole segment was an /r/TwoXChromosomes wet dream.

The whole part of the video at 11:20 which effectively makes fun of the preventative "Don't take nudes" as somehow a stupid idea, Was just a really ill thought out statement.

"If you don't want to get burgled then don't own a house"

Except having shelter over your head is a basic need of human existence. Taking pictures of your twat and sending them to your boyfriend is not a basic need of existence. The comparison was just really idiotic.

I like John Oliver but this sounds like he's reading a script written by a feminist intern on staff.

johnwaaahliver · 14時間前

This doesn't seem particularly well thought-out.

If someone wants to harass someone on twitter by making a new account and saying they're going to rape them, this is impossible to stop. Sorry John, They're using 7 proxies. This is the way the internet has been and this is how it is going to always be. Don't like it? I guess we can ban the internet. But we cannot have our cake and eat it too.
The reason that all those lawyers didn't take the cases of the revenge-porn victims isn't because they lack sympathy. The reasons they provide are not because they're insensitive assholes. Their responses are based strictly in law. There is absolutely zero chance that this bill he is parading passes, because the fact that revenge porn is legal is fundemental to US IP laws. Now we're going to special case pornography? Good luck with that, I cannot imagine it passes ever. Don't like it? I guess we can ban the internet. But we cannot have our cake and eat it too.

Personally? I don't see why telling these women, "sucks that you trusted this guy" to be anything other than reasonable. Stop recording your sexual experiences if you don't want them to get out. I see it as incredibly patronizing to women to enscribe into law the idea that women cannot be held responsible for being a part in recording their sexual experiences. Don't think with your cunt.

samsambutdifferent · 15時間前

Mirror: https://vid.me/nz2h

Lpup · 9時間前

This was really poorly thought out. He didn't go into anything in the bill other than saying it is something. What is that "something" Is it like the Tennesse bill that makes saying anything that hurts someones feelings illegal and a jailable offense? Is it a Revenge porn bill that further complicates our copyright system? Why is looking at pictures of Anthony Weiners dick okay and the fappening not?

He clearly didn't research his examples (One of which the FBI said was sending threats to herself and wasting their time and resources) and one minute says "Police should do something when this happens" then at the end says that we shouldn't tie up police resources with every mean threat.

Also what do you plan on doing in international cases. Harassers in the case of Anita Sarkesean were in Brazil. Briana Wu was caught sending threats to her self and was caught lying about leaving her house.

This was poorly done. I don't know if he is railing against harassment or revenge porn. To use the victim blaming argument doesn't gel well with the internet because certain things ARE preventable on the internet and people should take proper saftey precautions rather than expect everyone to look out for them no matter what info they post online.

uw_NB · 13時間前

definitely one of his weaker piece out there. The reality of the matter is a lot more complex and layered than what he was trying to pictured. In fact, not only he failed to described the full problem, he also failed to provision a solution to such. Its actually next to impossible to construct laws related to the internet information sharing without having it to be abused for copyright claims trolls and violate freedom of speech.

-Tom- · 8時間前

Here is the whole beauty of the internet and 4Chans whole “There are no girls on the internet” thing. If there is a discussion happening here I dont know if you are a female, black, [insert whatever social modifier here] when we engage in a discussion. All that matters is the merit of your discussion, what facts you present, any logical fallacies you commit, any just plain stupid things you say.

In real life people make consessions for you based on the aforementioned social modifiers, on the internet you get none of that. The ONLY time anyone on the internet wants to know or give a fuck about your social modifier is if its immediately pertinent to the discussion at hand such as “As a man what do you think about women who __________” for things like Reddits /r/askmen and /r/askwomen.

However if someone asks “Hey, what do you guys think of the new Starburst flavor?” and you start a response with “As a woman....” or “As a black person....” or mention it in your reply in any way, we, the internet, do not give a FUCK. Its completely irrelevant and only being mentioned in order to try and gain your opinion favor in the conversation. That is largely why people (even girls I know) will get mean and say shit to peolple on the internet who bring up these modifiers when its completely irrelevant. Its an attention cry and an attempt to have your opinions validated or be more valid than others simply because you have a social modifier beyond “white male”

Tits or GTFO.

DaElfonzo · 15時間前

Welp, I await a tamed discussion about the delicate subject that is online harassment.

sarpcarr · 10時間前

Does anyone know what crime you would have been convicted of if 20 years ago you had given physical copies of pictures of your naked ex-girlfriend to her boss?

deaglefrenzy · 14時間前

I always link this everytime cyber bulliying is mentioned

https://twitter.com/fucktyler/status/285670822264307712

SlowRollingBoil · 8時間前

This thread is going to get nuked.

andyroid42 · 2時間前

So here's John Oliver talking about how its a problem police aren't involved online enough to understand something like twitter, etc...

And then in the same video talking about online abuse while featuring ppl like Anita/Wu, illustrating his own/the show's own failure to understand the situation as well....

Then also bashing on white males because, the mentality seems to be its okay to hate on a demographic because they don't get as much hate as others, right? That really solves the problem.

EDIT: Stereotyping is not acceptable rebuttal to stereotyping. Otherwise why act like stereotyping is a bad thing at all? Hypocrites.

xavierdc · 1時間前

lol Oliver boner is deflating now. Reddit's new enemy.

MajorasCoffee · 1時間前

Better thumbs down the video because Anita Sarkeesian was in 9 seconds of footage just to be sure I'm cool.

npr_junkie · 29分前

ITT: what happens when the average reddit user is challenged by a public official.

Mystic-monkey · 14時間前

I love how it's just white males that are the villains of this piece. Yes if you had no troubles on the Internet it must be because you have a white penis. Now I'm against death threats and revenge porn, but don't act like this shot never happened to white males. I had one woman threaten me to cut off my balls and kill my mother for not aborting me. Now my problem is that this shit is only taken seriously when wemon are involved but men in many cases are not. Because they are white and have a penis, if we can acknowledge that it happens to everybody not just women, then we can move forward into fixing this problem.

bertdom · 15時間前

Did he just Rickroll us? Why John? I trusted you!

SenorRaoul · 9時間前

I'm going to stick an egg into your vaginal canal and punch it

that is so hilarious that even she had to laugh.

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