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[–]dmcirl 97ポイント98ポイント  (2子コメント)

Was that Colin Hanks in the skit at the end?

[–]ATinyBox 502ポイント503ポイント  (54子コメント)

Does John Oliver not know what everyone uses bing for?

[–]animeshin 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here is a mirror: https://vid.me/AtUs

Sorry about the invasion, just thought I would bring this to the top of the comment thread given that this is not accessible in most countries outside of the US. =)

[–]CosmicGuitars 66ポイント67ポイント  (27子コメント)

People use bing?

[–]devotedpupa 256ポイント257ポイント  (23子コメント)

Porn.

[–]ruck_it3 37ポイント38ポイント  (18子コメント)

Why?

[–]Mattyx6427 178ポイント179ポイント  (12子コメント)

It has a video search feature.

[–]ColonelSanders21 271ポイント272ポイント  (11子コメント)

A really kick-ass video search feature.

[–]DatGDoe 35ポイント36ポイント  (8子コメント)

Painkiller Already taught me that, never looked back.

[–]MostlyBullshitStory 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

It will even correct spelling and gives suggestions. I once searched for "grandma double fisting" and

[–]Grandmaofhurt 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

It compiles videos from all the porn sites. It's like a porn buffet.

[–]worth_the_monologue 339ポイント340ポイント  (11子コメント)

Because we all know, not even vindictive perverts will use Bing.

Uh, John... Those are exactly the people who use Bing.

[–]Scarim 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well I guess it is possible that bing is no good for revenge porn, because it turns up so much normal porn on a search that you can't actually find the revenge porn. I imagine it would much like looking for a needle* in a haystack.

*edit, mixed up needle and nail, sorry english is not my first language.

[–]NachoLawbre 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, I'm not vindictive!

[–]CaptainVoltz 1142ポイント1143ポイント  (1002子コメント)

I wonder if he will remain reddit's patron saint after this one

[–]devotedpupa 569ポイント570ポイント  (417子コメント)

I love going to forums of people that usually like John Oliver until he covers the one topic they like and seeing how that call him a fraud or how he "fell for their lies".

Plus, whoever gets mad at this surely was mad before, from the Wage Gap episode.

[–]CaptainVoltz 554ポイント555ポイント  (368子コメント)

You can be sure that there will be people focusing on Anita Sarkeesian and ignoring the completely valid point he is making about internet abuse.

[–]interfail 382ポイント383ポイント  (225子コメント)

Obviously harassment and death threats are wrong, but I think you'll find it's entirely justified if she says something I don't like about videogames. That's just logic.

[–]Tuosma 226ポイント227ポイント  (147子コメント)

I don't think your guys characterization is completely fair. Personally I tremendously dislike Anita Sarkeesian, but I'd never advocate online harassment as an acceptable thing.

[–]omgitsbigbear 71ポイント72ポイント  (77子コメント)

It's pretty fair. Many people who share your opinion of Sarkeesian didn't share your restraint. That's a big problem.

[–]MightyMorph 136ポイント137ポイント  (70子コメント)

many many MANY people do share those restraints. The people who actually harass people online are very miniscule, the anonymity of the Internet and the simple fact that you can create multiple accounts, allows for 1 individual to appear to be 20.

[–]Karvidich 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can we please stop using "harassment" as a synonym for death threats?

Calling someone an asshole is perfectly acceptable, especially for a public figure like Anita, but threatening murder or rape is clearly crossing the line.

[–]shark_vagina 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you think harassment is? Calling someone an asshole is an insult. Sending someone death or rape threats is harassment.

[–]BritishHobo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

many many MANY people do share those restraints.

Oh, SO FUCKING WHAT THOUGH. These debates have been hampered at every single turn because people keep sticking their hand up and saying 'I dislike her and I've never threatened to rape her!' Okay, so? Shitloads of people still have.

[–]omgitsbigbear 66ポイント67ポイント  (52子コメント)

Ok, great. It's still multiple people getting harassed over statements about videogames. It's subreddits gloating over people going out of business because they are connected to those women. That's fucking crazy. It seems that for many people being angry about social justice in gaming has become more important than playing games.

On a wider note, I've played videogames since I got an NES and I don't understand how my hobby has become so dominated by this toxic bullshit. I've never been more excited about the possibility of gaming but these Internet tantrums drag me out of my hobby. It's crazy that the fitness subreddits infrequent I frequent are less aggro and ragey than the gaming ones.

[–]frymaster 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't understand how my hobby has become so dominated by this toxic bullshit

The good news is, there's probably less of them than you think

https://twitter.com/ZenOfDesign/status/611650608655765504

The bad news is, they're loud

[–]ihadadreamyoudied 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

Because shitheads got hooked up to the internet along with EVERYONE else. Simple as that.

[–]tempaccountnamething 31ポイント32ポイント  (12子コメント)

I think that you'll find that the vast, vast majority of people who are critical of Sarkeesian's message are completely against online harassment and simply disagree with her message and the disingenuous way that she constructs her arguments.

I condemn the harassment that she has received. So has pretty much everyone else.

Does the fact that someone receives rude comments on the Internet make them immune to criticism?

[–]curtmack 38ポイント39ポイント  (5子コメント)

John Oliver makes no indication as to whether he supports or rejects Sarkeesian's opinions. He supports her right to have and talk about her opinions. That's a crucial distinction.

You can openly support someone's right to say controversial things without supporting the things they say.

[–]ILieConstantly 28ポイント29ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'm not "mad" at him for this, but I think he misread the "don't take naked pictures of yourself advice."

I've given that exact advice a number of times; and like most people that are giving that advice I think it comes much less from the perspective of politics and much more from the perspective of understanding technology and that anything that's stored in a digital format is at least somewhat likely to become public at some point, right or wrong.

I think his analogy is a little off as well. It's not like getting your house burglarized, it's like leaving a giant pile of cash in your house and then getting upset when it's stolen in a burglary. It was still wrong for someone to break into your house and steal it, but you may have done better to have stored your cash in a safer and more conventional location thus mitigating your risk.

We can push for laws to stop this, or more accurately, punish it after the fact, but nothing other than the behavior online that you choose to engage in can actually prevent it, and I don't think that's victim blaming. I think that's just mitigating your own risk.

[–]acattookmysocks 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think what he was mostly pushing against is that, more often than not, the first reaction of a lot of people is "well why did you take naked pictures of yourself anyway?" rather than "those bastards!" or some form of empathy.

When you say "my house was burglarized" if someone initially said "well why own a house?" it'd feel the same way. It's not especially helpful for the issue at hand and it's assuming a person doesn't understand the risks. Now, many people don't understand the risks, but it's still not a helpful response.

A better analogy would be if you got carjacked in Camden and family said "well why were you driving through Camden?" It doesn't matter.

[–]cdstephens 341ポイント342ポイント  (281子コメント)

I'm curious as to why people are surprised by his "SJW-ness" as some people have called it. Dude's a progressive and a social justice advocate.

[–]agentbueller 349ポイント350ポイント  (131子コメント)

I mean I've been saying that for forever. Reddit identifies as progressive but is a lot closer to libertarian, so when public figures like Oliver say they're progressive a lot of people think "He's just like me!" and then he talks about de facto racism and sexism and human rights violations and the such. For some reason people get alarmed.

Of course I don't really mind, at the risk of getting angry comments and such I'm what a lot of redditors would call an SJW, so I agree with Oliver on like, all of his videos. I'm just surprised we don't see this outrage on more of his videos.

[–]DaEvil1 63ポイント64ポイント  (25子コメント)

I like to think of reddit as brogressive

[–]autourbanbot 77ポイント78ポイント  (17子コメント)

Here's the Urban Dictionary definition of brogressive :


Politically liberal or left-leaning person who routinely downplays injustices against women and other marginalized groups in favor of some cause they deem more important.


He's just a brogressive. He says he wants equality and liberation for all, but he makes rape jokes and accuses women of making false sexual assault claims all the time.


about | flag for glitch | Summon: urbanbot, what is something?

[–]Exodus111 159ポイント160ポイント  (83子コメント)

Yeah, if only Libertarianism wasn't so fucking stupid.

[–]SeptemberSixteenth 176ポイント177ポイント  (25子コメント)

Libertarianism isn't stupid, it's the perfect government model for 20 people who live on a completely isolated island who don't really like each other.

[–]capoony147 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

people who live on a completely isolated island who don't really like each other.

Yup, sounds like reddit.

[–]longus318 35ポイント36ポイント  (19子コメント)

Yeah them and the 80 people they are allowed to own as chattel.

This is ALWAYS my go to response when I hear someone get into a Rand-ian fury about personal liberty and lack of government oversight––it is a terrific ideology if you are Andrew fucking Jackson in 1806 and you have the absolute naivety that goes along with all of that. How "libertarianism" has become the golden ticket for people who (broadly speaking) are pragmatic, logical, and many of whom work precisely in designing and building large, complex systems is beyond me.

[–]PoopJuiceExtract 16ポイント17ポイント  (13子コメント)

You can't own people like chattel under libertarianism. The primary moral of libertarians is the non-aggression principle, which can be summarized as "If not everyone involved in this action consents, it's wrong." Slaves are people who don't consent, so it's not possible to own them in libertarianism. The majority of existing systems, and proposed socialist leaning systems, rely heavily on social contracts. Even if the proposals are generally agreeable (I like that Basic Income idea, for example), a social contract is by definition not a valid contract, because not everyone involved has consented.

How "libertarianism" has become the golden ticket for people who (broadly speaking) are pragmatic, logical, and many of whom work precisely in designing and building large, complex systems is beyond me.

Probably because it's the most golden rule compatible political ideology around. Don't harm other people or their property, and don't use force to dictate what they do with or put into their bodies. Everything else has "it's okay to screw over people for the greater good" or "it's okay for the gov't to define marriage" or "it's okay to ban xyz for everyone" crap.

[–]longus318 7ポイント8ポイント  (11子コメント)

Well, I wasn't really planning on getting into this whole thing in any depth, but I definitely hear your responses. And that is unquestionably the optimistic, revisionist version of contemporary Ron Paul-ian libertarianism. So I get that, but its still a non starter for me, and the responses to my characterizations don't carry much weight for me, because there is no mechanism to introduce a kind of social-categorical-imperative, "if not everyone involved in this action consents, it's wrong." And the only way in which this kind of liberty has EVER existed in America, it was done so under the auspices of slavery, which is what enabled landed aristocracies in the South. These southern slave owners, incidentally, wouldn't disagree with the principle you name at all and even fought a war to preserve it as a principle across society––they very conveniently just saw slaves as non-persons. That's a pretty gigantic loophole to leave there. But suffice it to say, I've never met a Ron Paul acolyte who never wore clothing made by hands compelled by market forces or sweatshop labor policies in other countries, or ate at restaurants staffed by people who were compelled by circumstance to work there, or a thousand other examples where only the only agents consenting to actions or systems into which people are caught up are those making money. So, this "moral" can't be that deeply held.

Its a nice, egalitarian and utopian idea. And that's where I have a lot of respect for especially young libertarian idealists. But once you come to understand the world in a complex way (I'm sorry that you didn't address the complexity I was implying in your response––I would be more interested in hearing what you have to say about global market forces, consumption of goods, how to cope with non-sustainable and limited resources, etc.), to suppose that everyone in the 7-billion-individual world (or the 300 million individual nation) can live with the same kind of unconstrained liberties enjoyed by (pardon reintroducing him) the Andrew Jacksons of the world.

I don't see a nation or a world that can cope with everyone living isolationist lives that never ever bear on one another, and I do see a nation that disenfranchises many to enrich a very select few. I accept that there is a certain inevitability of imposition of will in the world that we inhabit. I'm very much okay with using the mechanisms of a democratically-originating state and ideology-shifting ideas and intellectual discourse to disempower those who have always benefitted and empower those who have always been marginalized.

[–]Fearltself 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Andrew Jackson was very far from being a libertarian. Crack a book I guess?

[–]Sr_Carlos_Danger 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anti-central bank, pro-small government, legalise everything up to and including murder (between consenting parties! Boom non-again principle intact), man's home is his castle, ZERO regulation of business... what half-baked libertarian scheme did he NOT agree with?

[–]Gruzman 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

As are most societal ideologies when actually fully examined for their flaws. Most people are merely smug in their own commitments to them and rarely do discussions of them extend beyond comments like yours "haha! the other people are obviously wrong!"

[–]Pyro62S 22ポイント23ポイント  (45子コメント)

Hey! Libertarianism isn't stupid! Libertarians are.

[–]Exodus111 22ポイント23ポイント  (33子コメント)

You make a good point. But I think just the general concept that, "Lets leave the market alone so the corporations can do WHATEVER they want, and competition will somehow keep them all in line."

Well, that doesn't really work, without regulation corporations are free to polute the air, keep slaves, and hoard all wealth away from the rest of us.

"NO!! THAT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED! CORPORATIONS JUST WANT TO COMPETE!"

Yeah, that's just fucking stupid.

[–]SwiftDecline 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think you're confusing the fact that Reddit leans classically liberal in matters of free speech and personal autonomy with the notion that it also leans economically libertarian. There are, of course, plenty of free marketeers here, but I think they're in the minority relative to the lefties, and I think that there's a huge area of ignored overlap between the lefties and those who take issue with people like Anita Sarkeesian.

The conflation makes less sense when you consider some of the less controversial heroes of Reddit: Carl Sagan or Neil DeGrasse Tyson (both of whom would advocate for empirically-derived, testable solutions to social problems), Edward Snowden (and all he represents with respect to personal liberty), Bernie Sanders (who is the very definition of a progressive social democrat), and so on.

So a left-right binary is unhelpfully reductive, in my view. The political compass is inadequate in so many ways, but it remains a better tool for describing ideological trends because it at least prompts us to consider what kind of a role authoritarianism should play, and in which areas. Movements like GamerGate, for example, lean left on almost all social issues despite protestations that they're a bunch of mewling neocons or traditionalists, and many within said movement would identify as social democrats or even pro-justice, egalitarian progressives in important respects (even if they might take issue with the idea of "social" justice in its contemporary incarnation). This is a generalization, but the principal difference between these people and the oft-described "social justice warriors" of the modern internet resides in which means they endorse toward which ends.

One can easily be in favor of strong market regulation, wealth redistribution, large but efficient governments which ensure that all basic needs of a population are met, etc. while still remaining in favor of due process, open debate, free speech, personal privacy, optional decentralization where applicable, and the necessity of a free marketplace for ideas and tastes (even if the capitalistic market which mediates our access to many of these ideas and tastes must be effectively regulated via progressive economic policies).

[–]Pyro62S 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree. I think any philosophy or political leaning, no matter how sound, will be proven inadequate in certain situations. A savvy person will see this, and acknowledge it. "I think the government should generally stay out of corporate affairs, but I can see how in certain industries, for instance health care, regulation is important," is what a reasonable libertarian might say. Tell me if you ever meet one.

[–]I_am_Craig 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

But libertarians have all those books. Surely they at least glance at the covers from time to time.

Or am I thinking of librarians?

[–]kinguvkings 168ポイント169ポイント  (139子コメント)

God I hate how "SJW" is used as a pejorative on reddit

[–]Handypandy1 319ポイント320ポイント  (42子コメント)

Social justice warrior is a pejorative. The warrior bit implies farce. A non pejorative version would be social justice activist.

[–]be_bo_i_am_robot 70ポイント71ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm just happy to finally know what "SJW" stands for!

[–]vodkast 118ポイント119ポイント  (10子コメント)

The only thing farcical about the term "SJW" is how much it gets casually thrown around as a replacement for "person who disagrees with me," especially on reddit.

[–]hobblygobbly 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yep.

A fan drew a Vault Girl for a Fallout: NV mod. I looked at the comments and saw a few saying "omg fuck this SJW bull shit". Literally anything to do with LGBT or gender issues on the Internet now has "SJW" thrown every where.

Someone can't even draw a Vault Girl which is actually part of the Fallout universe without being called a SJW and people were complaining about "everything is about equality now" just because someone drew her to replace Vault Boy in the game if one so wished. It was to replace Vault Boy within the Pipboy I believe. That's where the Internet is at this point. It's pathetic.

[–]MrWigglesworth2 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

I always thought the "warrior" part was a play on the "God Warrior" lady from that Wife Swap show. IE, using "warrior" as a suffix to indicate that someone takes their particular set of beliefs to an extreme.

[–]NAPALM_SON 19ポイント20ポイント  (13子コメント)

I've frequently been called a SJW simply for being a decent human being.

[–]Has_No_Gimmick 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's such a meaningless catch-all term. Ultimately, it's the flavor of the week bogeyman for people to fear and despise -- if this were the 50s, the preferred bogeyman term on reddit would be Marxists or pinkos.

[–]Sormaj 84ポイント85ポイント  (1子コメント)

Colbert lived through it

[–]shadowbannedguy1 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because he was going away and his videos weren't allowed to stay on YouTube for long.

[–]pappadelta 357ポイント358ポイント  (216子コメント)

Was anything he said inaccurate though? Some people really need a splash of cold water on the face.

[–]Brotkrumen 282ポイント283ポイント  (168子コメント)

Exactly. While I am miffed that Sarkeesian got free PR again, it doesn't mean I condone people screaming abuse at her. She might be wrong in what she says, but her abusers are criminals.

[–]Eruanno 248ポイント249ポイント  (32子コメント)

The most important part, no matter who we're discussing, is that you don't threaten to murder someone for their opinions.

[–]SquishSquash81 125ポイント126ポイント  (3子コメント)

And that those threats are 1000x worse than anything Sarkeesian has done.

[–]legba 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The issue here really isn't getting threats on the internet, it's really how serious ARE these threats? I think that 99.9% of those "threats" are really not something to be taken too seriously, just like those 13 year olds on Xbox Live screaming they fucked your mother is not to be taken too seriously. Come on people, this is the internet, we KNOW that people say shit they would never repeat or act out in real life ALL THE TIME. Why then should we get all huffed up about internet threats, when it's THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE making them? More importantly, what is it that you think should be done about that and how in the hell do you think you can stop it short of destroying the internet itself?

[–]max_f_robespierre 103ポイント104ポイント  (54子コメント)

The response to feminism continues to justify feminism.

[–]TheBlueBlaze 28ポイント29ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is that principle that if a person is harassed or threatened, then that person is completely exonerated of any wrongdoing. Anything they do or say afterwards can be excused with proof of the death threats they've received.

So, in the public eye, saying anything dissenting towards someone who deserves some criticism (though not to the extent they've received it), but has ever been harassed or threatened, is akin to saying a rape victim was "asking for it". Nothing can ever be morally grey in the eyes of the public.

NightLine (and now LWT) are acting like all they tried to do was point out the bias in a system when really they've made tons of statements that are either inaccurate, hyperbolic to a cartoonish level, or so generic that you technically can't disagree.

Now, including Sarkeesian and Wu in this piece doesn't prove anything else said in it wrong, but it does show where it's coming from. There are a lot of people who, when they hear a story about any type of discrimination, will immediately think it's either true or untrue, with no chance for middle ground, which results in a clash between them. The people who try to look more into a story, and find it somewhere in the middle will either be ignored or lumped with one side of the argument. Try to tell people on the "totally true" side that the harassed party has a history of making polarizing/antagonizing statements, and it sounds like you're trying to say those death threats were entirely justified.

[–]kalitarios 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's akin to arguing with an asshole in a wheelchair. Even if you're right, you are the guy picking on some disabled person in a wheelchair.

[–]JRutterbush 109ポイント110ポイント  (52子コメント)

The only flaw I see in the video is the idea that online harassment is a woman-specific problem. I really hope there aren't many people that disagree with the argument that online harassment is pretty terrible, and that it needs to be stopped.

Even the whole "OMG he showed a clip of Anita!" stuff is pretty silly... this video wasn't agreeing with her stance, he was saying that the harassment she gets (even if it turns out that she lied about some of it, I don't doubt for a second that she's gotten some horrible messages over all this) isn't okay, which is something I would hope most of us can agree with, no matter how much we might dislike the person.

I still think he's a great comedian, and agree with most of what he says, and I respect the hell out of him. I don't really think disagreeing on one specific aspect of one issue should be enough to erase that.

[–]BbCortazan 47ポイント48ポイント  (17子コメント)

The video showed a statistic that had the gender ratio of targets of online harassment being 3:100. So, in the case of serious harassment it does seem to be at least highly woman centric.

[–]rogerwatersbitch 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really, check the stats. Men are more likely to be threatened with violence than women: http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/

[–]Logios 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

I still think he's a great comedian, and agree with most of what he says, and I respect the hell out of him. I don't

I have no clue where he got that "statistic" but Pew research shows men get almost twice as many physical threats as women.

[–]JRutterbush 43ポイント44ポイント  (7子コメント)

They showed a two-second clip of a "statistic" from 2006 on some news show, which I'm not really willing to place my trust in as a source.

On the other hand, there's this more recent study that shows that men receive more insulting harassment and physical threats, while women receive more sexual harassment and online stalking. And the differences aren't huge, either. So no, it's not highly women-centric, it's just that the type of harassment tends to vary (again, slightly) by gender... and I personally think this variance is easily explained, as well.

(Just to note, this part isn't from a study or anything, just my own personal theory.)
In my experience, harassers use what they think will affect their targets the most, and it's a simple (if unfortunate) fact that women tend to be more easily affected by sexual harassment, which is - in my opinion - probably the main reason they receive more of it. Men, on the other hand, aren't taught to fear rape around every corner, so sexual harassment doesn't work as well, which leaves harassers fewer options to use against their targets (hence - again, in my opinion - the reason why men receive more physical threats).

In the end, this is not a gendered issue. Harassment is wrong, period, no matter who it's happening to. And it's not happening to any one gender more than another (at least not appreciably so), it's not something that only women face, and acting like it is, ensuring that the vast majority of the public discussions are about harassment of women instead of harassment in general, is both disingenuous and actively harmful. And it needs to stop.

[–]doyle871 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get about three threats every time I play GTA5 I just don't tweet or give a shit. I think men shrug off threats while women tend to feel more victimised by them hence they will report it as more of an issue.

[–]GracchiBros 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you people that say this shit just wholly incapable of processing a world of people with different opinions on different subjects?

[–]Incredulous_Fred 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Now I cannot stop picturing John Oliver as a puffin

[–]autotune-mexican 322ポイント323ポイント  (16子コメント)

I just got Rick Rolled in 2015, man that feels refreshing

[–]hyp3rmonkey 81ポイント82ポイント  (8子コメント)

Twice. All of us got rick rolled twice.

[–]postposter 75ポイント76ポイント  (7子コメント)

Knew it was coming the second time and hit mute. I feel like it doesn't count.

[–]Awesomeness577 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is Gus not the Prank King anymore? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM2MOGyyUUM

[–]magicdevil99 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one will ever dethrone Gustavo Sarola, third of his name, father of Rooster Teeth, voice of Simons, king of the podcast, the patch, and the first members.

[–]werdnaegni 97ポイント98ポイント  (18子コメント)

So many comments about how Reddit will be confused by this. So few comments of redditors being confused by this.
No sane people think it's okay to threaten to rape and murder people they disagree with, or even dislike/hate. Typical reddit imaginary enemy creating, and rallying behind a fight that only has one side (other than a few insane people).

[–]Zordman 29ポイント30ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yea this is what I'm noticing as well, where is this outrage that people are talking about?

[–]mrcarkeys42 368ポイント369ポイント  (182子コメント)

Wow people are getting upset about this Anita thing. She was only there for like 10 seconds, and it had nothing to do with her views being right or not, it was about getting threats which is bad regardless of your opinion on her.

Probably would have been best not to use her as an example though because now people are just goin to focus on that and not think about his actual point.

[–]camerota 35ポイント36ポイント  (106子コメント)

Have to get ready for work and can't watch this video yet, but who is this Anita and why does the internet hate her? I don't play video games and I've never heard her name before.

[–]Echono 131ポイント132ポイント  (25子コメント)

Feminist who generally critiques games. I have no issue with that in concept, but she is shockingly terrible at it.

She held a kickstarter that met its goal several times over to produce a series of 6 (I think? On phone so forgive me if I don't recall exact numbers) videos over a year with game critique. It's now been 3 years since and she's only released about half of them, and I believe has begged for more cash. The released videos also have a number of factual inaccuracies, mangled and cherry picked data, and even stolen footage from other YouTube videos without credit.

She also makes it a habit to say inane or inflammatory things on Twitter. And while she no doubt has received abuse from the internet, has been shown to promote her abusers and inflate the abuse in order to elicit sympathy and even blocked and ignored people who have tried to help her report them to proper authorities.

[–]cuteman 15ポイント16ポイント  (13子コメント)

I think the majority of outrage is the victim narrative she has crafted when some of the originally harassing and extreme threats were perpetrated by her or someone she knows to inflate the importance of things that are mostly said in jest for shock value.

The vast majority of online harassment is said in jest for shock value, mostly over audio mics for video games. Specifically and individually targeted harassment, sexual or otherwise is fairly low comparatively.

ie, 13 year Olds saying they're going to rape your mother on Xbox are a lot more common than specific threats on Twitter or anywhere else.

[–]shamusisaninja 68ポイント69ポイント  (70子コメント)

She is a very outspoken feminist video game critic. Loads of people hate her because of how outspoken she is about her critiquing of video games with some of it just being factually wrong. But it's the internet and video games so people HATE her for it especially because of the times she has screwed up or been shown to be in their eyes to not be a real "gamer".

I am not the biggest fan of her I think she tries too hard sometimes but I stand by that I am glad someone is trying to challenge the game industry with it's problem of gender representation. But a lot people can't stand her and she has received countless threats of murder, rape and everything else, which is why John Oliver used her as an example.

[–]xafimrev2 163ポイント164ポイント  (26子コメント)

It doesn't help that ANY criticism of her is derided as sexist or misogynistic. Most of the people dislike her for her opinions, not for being a woman. They didn't dislike Jack Thompson, or Joe Lieberman for being men but for their opinions.

[–]CFGX 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

If only Jack Thompson knew having a vagina would make his positions untouchable, we might have a very different gaming market today.

[–]MaybePenisTomorrow 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]qwertpoi 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, there are a LOT of people out there that have mastered the art of manipulating internet outrage to generate a career for themseves. Exploit the division between groups of people to generate conflict and draw attention to yourself (both good and bad), then turn that attention into (relative) fame and fortune.

Anita just happened to slide into the niche of video games and feminism first.

On a certain level its kinda genius. If you're willing to suffer through internet ire and maintain a controversial persona, its a pretty good gig, you get to meet celebs and can make okay money.

[–]HinkMyDinkD00d 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

Did you know that her Kickstarter was supposed to help pay for buying games and the equipment to record them?

Did you also know that Anita just stole game footage from other YouTube channels?

She is actually a con artist, regardless of her political views.

[–]vrgr23 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

She is a very outspoken feminist video game critic.

Is she? I don't agree with everything she says, but her videos are so...mild. She always tries to explain her opinions and never attacks anyone personally. I really don't get all the hate she gets, even if her views were 100% wrong (and they're not).

[–]aealow 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

She likes videogames as much as John Oliver likes writing his own content.

[–]necker_cube 146ポイント147ポイント  (45子コメント)

I'm glad he included her, because the responses 100% validate the video.

[–]Buttfranklin 30ポイント31ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm not a huge fan of Anita Sarkeesian. I think she raises some valid points, but she fills up her videos with way too much hyperbole and artificial outrage.

Having said that, I don't care how much you disagree with her - how the fuck can you justify sending her death threats, or excuse people who've done so? How? And bullshit to the claim that she made them up. Go Google her name right now and see how long it takes you to find tweets or posts in news comment sections threatening to rape or kill her.

I actually agree with the idea that video game journalism has become crooked and something should be done about it, but there is no way on Earth that I'm going to align myself with the Gamergate crowd. They don't care about the original issue anymore, if they ever even did. All they do is complain about women, barely attempting to disguise their misogyny. The way women like Anita are treated on the Internet is a far more serious issue than "some indie dev slept with somebody who maybe sort of reviewed one of her games".

[–]csortland 118ポイント119ポイント  (18子コメント)

The types of people who post naked pictures of ex-girlfriends out of spite are almost always people with no redeemable qualities. Pure human garbage.

[–]Sonofsnow 395ポイント396ポイント  (157子コメント)

I'm sure some subsets of reddit are going to get riled up on this one.

[–]Erethas 321ポイント322ポイント  (54子コメント)

Some would say this video is "triggering".

[–]BearcreekMontana 79ポイント80ポイント  (51子コメント)

Good thing they still have KiA to turn to. That seems like a pretty safe space.

[–]Anon_Amarth 166ポイント167ポイント  (10子コメント)

The Kia is definitely a safe space. 5 star crash test rating and seats 6

[–]dragontrain 43ポイント44ポイント  (37子コメント)

A subreddit that facilitates actual discussion and won't ban you for a dissenting opinion? Yup, safer than the alternative

[–]dankmemest 80ポイント81ポイント  (14子コメント)

I love hypocrisy http://imgur.com/ZVe4nW7

[–]Eyezupguardian 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

wow that's pretty damning

[–]unabatedwonder 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

but president correa has a penis so it's not harassment!

/s

[–]ishamesluts 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't watched the whole thing yet but he also conveniently didn't mention any harassment towards people outside the 'SJ' movement.

I'm not trying to defend the Paul Elam type instigators, but what about that nobel laureate who was forced to resign? Or the woman who tweeted something silly before a flight and by the time she landed she was fired? (I can't remember names, sorry)

Why no mention of those or the countless other witch hunts?

Edit, finished watching the video. No mention of anything other than Anita/Wu/Revenge porn. Harassment on the internet is a problem faced by Men too - and women who aren't Anita/Wu. If we actually want to tackle the harassment, we can't pretend that other people don't exist.

[–]backtowriting 153ポイント154ポイント  (52子コメント)

My current opinion: I think Sarkeesian is wrong, but I don't think that's an excuse to bully her.

Honestly, I don't think there's any excuse to bully anyone.

And it works both ways. Many people who defend Sarkeesian are quite happy to endorse bullying if they think someone's made racist or sexist remarks. Except, to them, it's 'calling out' bad behavior. It's giving a voice to the voiceless.

Enough with the vigilantism. Are there bad people in the world? Yes! Are there conmen (and con-women) who will play the victimization card at every point? Yes! Are there people who are actually bigoted? Yes! But it's not your job to be the judge, jury and executioner. To ruin someone's life because you object to their remarks.

[–]LKDlk 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I don't think there's any excuse to bully anyone.

Random idiot posting random thing no one reads is now bullying. See, some people that aren't 20 still remember bullying involving punching, blood, and threats made in person, from 3 inches away, where they are very possible to be carried out.

[–]AaronCriquet 146ポイント147ポイント  (55子コメント)

ITT: The usual "Which gender get it worse" contest.

[–]notathrowaway75 141ポイント142ポイント  (36子コメント)

I agreed with a lot of the points in this video. But what I didn't like about this video is that it is titled simply "Online Harassment" and not "Online Harassment Towards Women".

[–]nyando 203ポイント204ポイント  (29子コメント)

Agreed. I didn't like that he framed the discussion around "you get harassed on the internet, unless you have a white penis." You just can't tell me that and expect me to believe it when I see guys on Twitch.tv livestreams get SWAT teams called to their house, pulled to the ground at gunpoint, and almost fucking killed because some idiot watching the stream wanted a laugh.

Yes, revenge porn is a problem and more should be done to get it off the internet if it gets out there. But again, this segment made it seem like ONLY women ever get their nudes posted online. This isn't a "what about teh menz" whine, but these aren't gendered issues. Online harassment is a problem for everyone.

[–]MindWeb125 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

made it seem like ONLY women ever get their nudes posted online.

Case in point, the Hulk Hogan sex tape.

[–]low_ho_fosho 41ポイント42ポイント  (3子コメント)

You have to consider that SWATing someone is still against the law, and people go to jail. Obviously that's a good thing, but the point of the video was that often women are harassed in ways that are "legal," like revenge porn, and offenders are often not caught or live in states that make it more difficult to prosecute. /u/APCOMello also makes a good point.

[–]Wawoowoo 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

In what way is revenge porn legal? Do you really think Gawker is going to win their lawsuit and become a revenge porn website?

[–]APCOMello 60ポイント61ポイント  (18子コメント)

I think his point with the "congratulation for having a white penis" was that white men usually don't get harassed because they are white men, in the sense that these characteristics aren't the reason they're being attacked. I agree the discussion was a little one-sided, but the harassment situations aren't equivalent. Outside of radical SJW, white and male aren't turned into negatives like female and black are.

Women and black people often face the same kind of injury IRL, which is a lot harder to happen for white men, so it's easier to talk about this subject in this frame. Both situations would've made the video more interesting though.

[–]nyando 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

I see your point, and like I said, the only thing I disliked was how he framed the discussion, the actual discussion was spot-on. I just don't think it's fair to disregard people being harassed simply because the harassment isn't racist or sexist. This is particularly true if you're claiming to have a discussion about internet harassment in general. If he'd said "we're going to talk about revenge porn targeting women", that would've been fine. Saying "this is about internet harassment" and then disregarding something like swatting seems disingenuous.

[–]APCOMello 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if we're still talking about the same part of the video, but I didn't see him disregarding other types of harassment. It was more like "women and black people are such automatic targets online that if you say this kind of harassment doesn't exist, you probably aren't either of these", not "if you're white and male you are never ever harassed online".

It was one of the weakest episodes for me when it comes to the actual information, probably because I'm really familiarized with the subject. This and the inaccurate title really brought the quality down.

[–]cesarfcb1991 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only difference that gender makes is what kond of insult you will receive, but in the end you will still be insulted..

[–]diox8tony 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

White male here...

I regularly see other white males get told to shove things up their ass and that they are going to rape my mom.

I don't take it as harassment. seems like a common troll thing to do. I feel like the people who have cops following them fed those trolls a bit too much and are now facing armies of trolls because they are easy victims. If any man acted that way, "fed the trolls" he would also be crying and committing suicide. I'm sure it's happened.

Seriously, these victims of harassment need to stop feeding trolls.

[–]Rekthor 341ポイント342ポイント  (68子コメント)

Ah, I see.

So the message we can take away from this video's comment section and all relevant message boards is "Harassment is not okay!*Unlessit'sawomanwhoplaysvideogamesthatIdon'tlikeinwhichcasefuckthatbitch. "

Harassment is harassment and it's not okay. There are no qualifiers that justify it, because normal, socially adjusted people don't feel the need to validate their own or other's hostile and juvenile behaviour because a woman on the internet said something that hurt their feelings that one time. Disagree with others at your discretion, and voice those opinions as much as you please, but you don't get to contextualize the harassment they receive as a result of those disagreements in some absurd effort to minimalize it, because when you strip away the bias, it's simply not relevant. Don't be a fucking twat and don't say others get to be fucking twats to people you don't like; that's the end of the discussion.

[–]Sonofsnow 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

Man this is so well put, definitely voiced my and other reasonable redditor's thoughts on this I think.

I'm bracing for the inevitable shit storm that is likely to grace this comments section soon.

[–]IceChinchilla 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

I would hope you dont take the extremist point of view from the comments. Most would say "Harassment is not okay for anyone"

If we take all threats legitimately on the internet, that opens up another whole world. The chat in esports can be brutal, youtube comments will advocate suicide for someone they dont agree with, and shit, even when I was a mod on a Minecraft server I got death and rape threats.

This is an internet issue. There is a culture of over the top threats on the internet. Thinking a white penis keeps me from harassment is juvenile and naive. A sex change wont change anything on the internet.

[–]longus318 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

Just my 2 cents––the issues here are real, and the realities that underlie the gendered relationships here should make any reasonable human male uncomfortable. But for all of the legal and internet-policy-type solutions offered here, there HAS to be something more fundamental and ideological to do in terms of how men engage with the internet. If you are a guy whose response to being contradicted or disagreed with by just a random women or a somewhat notable female figure on twitter is to want to attack them verbally with sexually-violent language, you need to do some serious soul searching and self-reflection. And more than that, other men should make you feel like a piece of shit for thinking that way––in the same way that a white person listening to a bunch of white people use racial epithets and talk about racially-motivated violence should make those people feel like shit. Civility and the enlightened culture has to come from the ground up.

[–]JF425 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every. Monday.

Why don't we just sticky his show to the top of the page?

[–]ADifferentMachine 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally every top comment on this thread is agreeing with Oliver.

Every top comment in this thread also mentions that others are talking about how the other top comments are so anti-this clip.

So which is it?

[–]RobotPirateMoses 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lumping twitter harassment together with REVENGE PORN was a bad idea. They are nowhere near the same level and they are very different things with very different reasons/approaches/treatments.

As for what they said in revenge porn, yeah, people say "don't take naked pictures!" because, due to the very nature of the internet, it's very easy for them to leak. It's the ONLY way to be safe. We can improve the police/law response afterwards, but completely stopping the actual pictures from leaking is practically impossible right now. I wish you could share those without a care in the world, but that's not how the internet works, anything is hackeable, just less or more so. Nobody is saying "it's your fault, you took the pictures!" (well, nobody sane is saying that), they are saying "it's the internet, there's always a chance something will get hacked"

[–]The_Hectic_Glow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who think that the "don't take naked pictures" suggestion is invalid are living in a dream world. Yeah, it'd be great if the solution were as simple as telling everyone "hey this is bad, you shouldn't look at these". But that's not the world we live in, so it's best to take precautions.

[–]iamthegame13 234ポイント235ポイント  (85子コメント)

My God. How you guys are capable of denouncing a 17 minute video because it has 30 seconds of content you truly and utterly despise (which, hey, maybe you guys should stop caring so much about announcing your hatred of a few specific women), is really mind-blowing.

This comment section has already become a caricature of internet comments that are embarrassing.

Anyone who rationalizes the release of a person's naked pictures with "well they shouldn't have taken them" is a joke. That's like saying I shouldn't buy a nice car because people will just steal it. Or, you know, we could just stop people from stealing photos/videos from personal devices.

I know that its a different world of communication in 2015, but you guys understand that a death threat is a death threat, right? It doesn't matter if it was on Twitter. Or any website.

I actually don't think most people watched the whole video. Otherwise I don't know how they can be upset at John for possibly wanting to bring awareness to harassment online.

[–]MindWeb125 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

maybe you guys should stop caring so much about announcing your hatred of a few specific women

But I hate Jonathan McIntosh too!

[–]Moonswish 84ポイント85ポイント  (24子コメント)

How you guys are capable of denouncing a 17 minute video because it has 30 seconds of content you truly and utterly despise

Well put. The topic of the video is online harassment/revenge porn, yet somehow the discussion about this video is about feminism.

[–]Beingabummer 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because everything else is pretty 'duh, harassment and threats are bad'. You only see the assholes who actually harass and threaten people try to argue that part. For everybody else that point is moot because they already know it's bad. So they focus on the one part of the clip that actually has some conflict in it.

[–]falsehood 180ポイント181ポイント  (149子コメント)

In which Reddit's ID cannot decide which of its favorite things it likes more, and thus tears itself apart.

Or more likely, the haters fail to realize this video is actually about them.

[–]PoppaDoppolis 58ポイント59ポイント  (145子コメント)

Or, you know, be able to give an opinion on the subject without going from one extreme to the other. Similar to what a normal person would do.

While I agree that revenge porn is fucked up I think "don't take naked photos of yourself" is a pretty good suggestion and that his burglar analogy wasn't terribly relevant.

People seem to have forgotten the most important rule on the internet; do not upload anything you're not willing to show the world.

[–]orangutan_innawood 54ポイント55ポイント  (6子コメント)

do not upload anything you're not willing to show the world

Remember that other episode about privacy and dick pics?

(It's not like these women are uploading naked pictures of themselves to porn sites. The pictures are usually uploaded to a cloud and hacked or shared by angry ex's)

[–]jimboelephant 60ポイント61ポイント  (3子コメント)

Exactly!

Here's a good analogy that people who are saying, "Should have been more careful" will hate, but rings true. Imagine you are a guy who gets falsely accused of rape (reddit loves these cases). Now imagine someone's defense for the woman making those claims and ruining a guy's life is "Well should have been more careful idiot".

Does that make any sense? No. The thing is there needs to be protection between people actions and other's attempt at ruining their lives because of those actions. Naked pics should not be shared as revenge and false rape claims should not be used as revenge either.

[–]jomott 50ポイント51ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think a better analogy than the burglar one is an analogy to mugging. If someone gets mugged, then, "Well, you shouldn't have been in that part of town" is not a very good response. The burglar analogy isn't too good because somewhere to live is pretty much a necessity, unlike naked pictures.

Or maybe with the burglar one, "Well, you shouldn't have left your window open" is better than "You shouldn't have owned a house". Yeah, you shouldn't have left your window open, but you probably had a reason for it, and it doesn't mean what the burglar did is any better. He still robbed you.

[–]stillclub 93ポイント94ポイント  (21子コメント)

I think don't send naked photos of your ex causing them to potentially lose their job and even kill themselves is good advice

[–]hoodie92 48ポイント49ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, this is a conversation about victim blaming.

Saying "don't take pictures of yourself" would be like telling women to remain indoors at all times if they want to avoid rape.

[–]Short_Kings 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think a better solution has to be found for sure, but in the meantime wouldn't the advice be kinda relevant?

Like, taking pictures of yourself naked right now is pretty risky because there is not a system to protect you if something goes wrong, please refrain if possible from sharing something you don't want the rest of the world to see.

[–]Bramble_Dango 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

Of course this would be great but it requires shitty people to do the right thing, and you should NEVER count on shitty people doing the right thing.

[–]falsehood 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

So, serious question: should the Mohammed cartoons have been published? Should Charlie Hebdo stay open?

[–]Bramble_Dango 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly don't know enough about that whole situation to give a educated answer, but I suppose I'll give you my uneducated opinion, since you asked.

Should they have been published? I think it should be up to the publishers what they do or don't publish. Should Charlie Hebdo stay open? If the owners want to remain open, they should have the right to do so.

[–]Rekthor 158ポイント159ポイント  (26子コメント)

No, it was perfectly relevant.

Humans like sex, and we're in the digital age, so sex is going to be digitized. That's simply an inevitability; sexting and nude pics are just the latest iteration of things that lovers have done for thousands of years now. You can't stop it and you shouldn't be trying to; you should be trying to make it safe for people to express their sexuality without them being at risk of losing their job, reputation and lives as a result of doing the one thing that literally keeps the species going. This is the same logic that sees abstinence-only education taught in schools, and it's the same logic that's going to keep revenge porn alive.

[–]Goonred 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

John Oliver is usually for don't sacrifice freedoms because of some dickheads. e.g. Dick pics and NSA. I don't see why it's any different in this case.

[–]redreversed 20ポイント21ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah, you shouldn't take naked photos of yourself. However people are still going to do it, no matter how much you tell them so its pointless, instead you should focus on making it harder to post nude pictures of someone without their consent and then get away with it.

[–]Dont-be_an-Asshole 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why shouldn't I send my girlfriend a picture of my dick? There's nothing wrong with that.

She shouldn't post it on tiny dick aficionado websites with my name and address because thats a shitty thing to do.

[–]peachypal 56ポイント57ポイント  (9子コメント)

Jesus. I'm tired of law enforcements being reluctant (sometimes not wanting) to do anything until actually something does happens.

A couple of years ago, a 18 year old high school girl in my country was brutally murdered by her older ex-boyfriend after he had stalked/harassed her and threathed her life for more than a year. She and her parents went to police and all they did was to leave a massage on his cell phone to call them back. That very afternoon she was attacked by him at home and ended up being stabbed to death on the street outside her house. The police said they thought there was no immediate danger to her life despite of the fact that he had repeatedly threathed to kill her if she didn't do what she was told to do (sending him naked pictures and sleeping with him etc..). The most horrible part of this story (aside from her murder) is that a few months prior to killing her, the ex-boyfriend posted many pictures of her in a compromising position on a porn website under a username he created that was made to sound like her name. And after he murdered her and while he was on the run, he went to one of the most famous and biggest massage boads on the entire internet and posted even more compromising pictures of her and confessed to killing her. Some tv stations showed some of those pictures blurring her face and body parts. This led the whole media to sensetionalize the whole thing using whatever they could find about her on the internet and eventually lots of people to blame the victim for her own death.

Now, the killer is currently on trial expected to do 15 to 25 years (I'M OUTRAGED!!) and the victim's naked pictures are everywhere on the internet and the poor girl is being called slut and much much worse and her family is being accused of raising their daughter to be "a dumb whore who is deserving of what she got". Disgusting.

[–]MR_PENNY_PIINCHER 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Colin Hanks showing up was a pleasant surprise.

[–]Mobythenarwahle 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sadly this whole discussion is one big misunderstanding. One side thinks that this discussion is onesided and does not represent them properly, the other side thinks that the first side thinks that the discussed issue does not exist.

It was a similar issue with gamergate. One side was for more ethical gaming journalism, the other for better representation of women in gaming, both are good things and it's a shame that both sides clashed hard because some people on both sides threw around insults and behaved shitty in general.

[–]routebeer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've played with women on CS:GO and I've played with kids on CS:GO. I feel much worse for the kids; most of the time everyone hears a girl and becomes fucking James Bond, while when a 12 year old comes on its all: "Hey I fucked your mom" or "Suck my dick you little shit I'll kill you".

I think hearing that at 12 vs. hearing it at adulthood is much worse.

[–]thenewyorkgod 12ポイント13ポイント  (8子コメント)

An average women received 100 online threatening messages per day? those numbers seem as if they were pulled out of someone's ass.

[–]BadNewBearer 55ポイント56ポイント  (35子コメント)

does in-game death threats count towards online harrasment ?
cuz i play league , dota 2 and cs:go ... if i take all the threats seriously . I should've killed myself 25 times from just yesterday

[–]greenmasterrace 119ポイント120ポイント  (31子コメント)

Saying shit about you in-game isn't the same as having people tweet your address and threatening to murder you.

[–]MARsDoesNothing 36ポイント37ポイント  (21子コメント)

Hey, Zoe Quinn tweeted Mike Cernovich's home address good thing those standards are applied evenly!

[–]greenmasterrace 30ポイント31ポイント  (20子コメント)

I don't think anyone would say that wasn't a shitty thing.

[–]model_railroad_alt 55ポイント56ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, but I do think it is a bit dishonest to frame it as a "women getting harassed on the internet" when actual online harassment is a bit more complicated. For example, the piece completely ignored probably the most grevious cases of online harassment of people getting swatted, just so they could push the women as the primary victims narrative.

[–]Internets111 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

1v1 me scrub ill rek u.

[–]SublimeNightmare 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thought it was a great segment. The stuff that gets said on a regular basis around the net is pretty extreme. There is a fine line between joking with friends and terrifying strangers.

[–]Jamuh 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

He lost his point/argument while trying to be funny about Anthony Weiner. It has to be the same across the board.

[–]LittlekidLoverMScott 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

How the fuck is this up on Youtube via the official account before the entire episode is up on HBO go (or whatever it's called now)

[–]J__P 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe my understanding of victim blaming is incorrect, but i thought victim blaming meant giving people advice/blame when their actions in no way could have prevented the problem.

Telling a sexual assault victim that they should have worn more modest clothing when there is no evidence to suggest that such actions would have had any affect on the outcome would , to me, be victim blaming. John Oliver also uses the analogy that if you don't want to be burgled then don't own a house is similarly useless victim blaming because people need to live in houses. However his analogy falls down because he compares it to the wrong thing.

Telling people not to live in houses would be equivalent to telling people not to go on the internet, but telling people not to take pictures of themselves and send to others they don't know/trust would be more acurately compared to saying, OK you need to own a house, but you live in a crime filled neighborhood so perhaps you should lock your doors. One is victim blaming, the other is just practical advice.

Of course what happened is wrong and awful and something needs to be done about it and the person who did it needs to be prosecuted, but to say there is nothing they could of done to prevent this , or that others who are worried about it happening to them can't take an active roll in preventing it from happening just seems wrong.

I know it's uncomfortable to say to a victim they could have done something sensible to prevent this, especially at a time when they need support, but " don't take naked pictures of yourself" is not victim blaming, it's damn good advice and everyone should know it.

[–]Walrus_Goggles 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish not all of John's videos were, "There should be a law"

[–]titaniumjew 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think everyone has been harassed on the internet.

[–]Sormaj 24ポイント25ポイント  (15子コメント)

Reddit won't know what to do with itself. Should it support John Olliver or hate Sarkeesian and femenism? I'll grab the popcorn and enjoy the implosion

[–]Naked-Viking 68ポイント69ポイント  (13子コメント)

Maybe, just maybe, you can like someone and not at the same time have to agree with everything they say?

[–]LoudestHoward 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Works well enough for me and Bill Maher.

[–]Bionic_Bromando 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Never has a more affable guy said as many questionable things as Bill Maher. Still, he's a terrific interviewer.

[–]Borigrad 47ポイント48ポイント  (31子コメント)

Good thing my White Penis protected me when I got Doxxed and received death threats, right John?

[–]Alaylarsam 53ポイント54ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well do you think "That doesn't seem like that big a problem"? If not, then that comment was not aimed at you.

It's mostly aimed at the people who say "get a thicker skin m8"

[–]cdstephens 48ポイント49ポイント  (18子コメント)

He said that "if you think harassment is ok, then you're probably a white male". He didn't say that "if you're a white male, you think harassment is OK and/or don't receive harassment". That's the inverse of the statement, and not logically equivalent, so I don't see your point.

[–]Echelon64 50ポイント51ポイント  (11子コメント)

if you think harassment is ok, then you're probably a white male

How the fuck is that any better?