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Call me a conspiracy theorist. (self.TiADiscussion)

brotherjustincrowe が 投稿

But when I see "we need education to get fat acceptance, we need education about blahblahblah is misogyny" and so forth and I take that along with the whole movement of "give teh wymmynz a free pass on _______" to be two parts leading up to one outcome.

Next generation, of children (particularly male children, but also girls) raised by people with these provably toxic ideologies is going to be women who can't tell the difference between healthy self-esteem and full-blown unchecked narcissistic personality disorder. And self-hating young men with no confidence or backbone told since birth to enable them no matter what, who will likely wind up with cuckolding and financial domination fetishes.
And who will be responsible for this "education?" Either horrifically unfit parents or SJW educators pushing this ideology (we've seen the foothold these people have in schools) from a very young age. That's not "education," that's straight up indoctrination.

Whatever it started out as, I'm seeing SJWism as a pyramid scheme that runs on child abuse.

Tell me I'm crazy? Please?

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[–]Eakin 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're crazy. Now that we've gotten that out of the way...

You're assuming that any generation will ever be uniform. I assure you there's still plenty of places where the influence of those sorts of ideas is openly scoffed at. You're also assuming there's never a backlash against these ideas, either by this generation or the one you're worried for. I think you're throwing yourself down a slippery slope that isn't warranted.

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do that. (The slope thing.) Thanks for the reality check. It was a pretty bleak picture when I put things together.

[–]maiqthetrue 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

One thing to realize is that in any social movement, you create a backlash. The "Christian family values" movement was a response to the overreach by the feminists of the 1960s and 70s. The hypergenderization of kids today is a response to the gay right movement in the 1990s. Haes is a response to the plastic surgery and perfect body culture of LA. Shitlording is a response to Haes. Not everyone goes along with either side, but the cultural system seems to seek a reasonable balance.

[–]fuckingliterallyPerpectual Triggered Machine 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hardly a conspiracy really. Some of the shit you hear about elementary school policies nowadays sounds like satire.

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

As lobbying groups, the teachers' union is one of the strongest, up there with the prison guards'. Their workplaces are starting to look too much alike to me.

[–]thewiremotherPabst blue Ribbon-kin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please don't lump teachers in the classroom in with administrators in offices who make the policy decisions. Teachers are often caught in the middle between admin and parents and politics, and the vast majority of teachers just want to encourage young minds towards brighter futures.

[–]fuckingliterallyPerpectual Triggered Machine 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I had no idea that was the case. What do they even need to lobby for anyways?

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

More money for less work. The usual.

[–]Mouon 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't think theres a conspiracy. Theres an ideological agenda that would have bad consequences if realized, but they don't realize what the consequences would be themselves.

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't get me wrong, I didn't think there was anyone at the "head" of this movement pulling the strings. I was pretty much convinced that it was a headless blunder that's been getting out of hand for a long time now. "Conspiracy" isn't the right word, but it's pretty unnerving seeing people with these obvious agendas putting "education" especially early childhood so high on their priorities list.

[–]Mouon 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah. I agree, just don't call it a 'conspiracy', its not persuasive.

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never actually called it a conspiracy. I just said "call me a conspiracy theorist" because I get called that. Along with crazy.

[–]Yangel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its something I've noticed, but I've yet to seen its open advocacy.

[–]Sordak 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You could argue we have a lesser part of that already.

Men these days have the problem that they dont know what women want. The general media tells them one thing, their expirience another and women themselves something different.

Now that may be getting into TRP territory but at this point its pretty much general knowledge that young people are pretty much confused with sexuality because they are constantly told about it but always in convoluted and unrealistic fahsion.

Now i dont believe that young people will beleive anything the media tells em afterall i didnt do that either but the thing is. When formerly they only lacked expirience in romance and sex, now they are given false expirience.

As for cultural brainwashing of children: Have you seen the German education system? Modern Germany and Sweden could be seen as the SJW endgame.

Together with the people that it breeds. Germany is a country that keeps whipping itself out of guilt and Sweden is a country that is whipping itself even harder for no real discernable reason.

not just saying this out of the "Hurr durr Sweden yes meme" but realy i went to a german speaking school and the ammount of guilt tripping is actually pretty ridiculous.

[–]KestyrISIS are just Ethnic Liberators 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Goddamn, I shed a tear for Germany. They had values that made them successful, self reliant, hard working people and after the war, when looking at what caused the rise of Hitler, they sought to crush any remnants of Prussian virtues. The very idea of that culture and the ideas that made Germany able to stand up after taking any beatings and wither the storm were deemed unfit, and they as a people were castrated.

[–]Sordak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are still very much hardworking and they can still endure alot of shit.

its only that now they do it without any thought of self preservation.

[–]the_rabbit_of_power 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's interesting because many Prussian aristocrats hated Hitler even though Hitler sometimes evoked a bastardized version of Prussinaism (and Barvarian volkishness when it suited him.)

[–]Balls_4 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Generations often rebel against the social norms they were raised under.

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can only hope. Didn't care for the Reaganaut "Young Repubs" of the 80s, but hopefully the pushback against SJW lunacy gets some things right back on track.

It seems a bit alarmist now that I've had some sleep and a good meal and am rereading what I wrote, definitely a worst-case scenario. It'd sound less tinfoil-hat if I wrote it not as what is happening or could happen but what I really hope doesn't happen.

[–]Sordak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

well arguably when you see things like GG this is the backlash of this generation already.

[–]WylanderukProud Mbr Of Schrödinger's Shitlords 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think you putting into the future what has already happened in the past...

No I don't think your crazy, but I don't think its happening under any big master plan...

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I don't think DA JOOZ sat around a table planning this one out from day one, it just kind of started happening this way and snowballed. But if I'm seeing this pattern, how much do you want to bet there are others seeing the same and a chance for a quick buck or a position of power?

Don't get the wrong idea. I never once thought there was a "master plan" at work. Just a bunch of special interest groups seeing an opportunity.

[–]WylanderukProud Mbr Of Schrödinger's Shitlords 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Never thought you did, I just think your ship has already sailed ;-)

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what happens when you air your thoughts to the internet without editing them. Ah well.

tips tinfoil fedora Illu-m'nati

[–]the_rabbit_of_power 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say you are right save for it being a conspiracy in the sense there is some master plan behind any of it. Also it's less universal and more applicable to the east and west coast middle class. As for the fetishes it's probably just people are more vocal about them with the internet, not that they are nessecarily more prevalent.

[–]Milkshaketurtle79 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It will be a long time until this happens, the way I see it. I'm sure there will be political leaders trying to push this down the road, but thankfully even congress knows better, which is saying a lot.

[–]zerodeem -4ポイント-3ポイント  (16子コメント)

Problem is entirely due to Leftism.

The idea that the state should raise the child because the state knows best.

[–]fuckingliterallyPerpectual Triggered Machine 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

Left =/= Authoritarianism

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Statist collectivism" may be a better term? Admittedly clunky, but probably more accurate.

[–]zerodeem 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't really agree with the political compass.

It's a complex thing but generally I see it as being Libertarian Right to Authoritarian Left.

[–]fuckingliterallyPerpectual Triggered Machine 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's an incredibly simplistic view of politics. You know that anarcho- communism is a thing, right?

[–]WylanderukProud Mbr Of Schrödinger's Shitlords 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

anarcho- communism is a thing, right?

And that thing being a contradiction...

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You could, in theory, have a communist democracy. In practice you get a "Democratic People's Republic" like North Korea.

[–]WylanderukProud Mbr Of Schrödinger's Shitlords 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In theory communism could work...and in small groups it can, its never going to work in a large scale though...not unless we get some kind of post scarcity society up and running...

[–]fuckingliterallyPerpectual Triggered Machine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In your narrow view of politics, sure.

[–]zerodeem 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"generally see it"

[–]fuckingliterallyPerpectual Triggered Machine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, and see above. There are quite a lot of people who are libertarian left, and just calling (generally) everyone who is authoritarian 'Leftists' only leads to unproductive conversations, like the one we're having now.

[–]Sordak 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

would you rather have corporations raise children?

How about a healthy mix of general parental care and a proper school curriculum....

[–]brotherjustincrowe[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know that's a rhetorical question, but isn't a trade apprenticeship basically a company paying for your schooling? I don't see what's wrong with that.

[–]Sordak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

not for young children tho. Which is kinda the point im making.

Paid apprenticeship is more for people that need education rather than people that need beeing raised.

[–]KestyrISIS are just Ethnic Liberators 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

would you rather have corporations raise children?

Honestly, if I had to choose between the two, rather corporations than the state. When it comes to Corporations, they want to at least make a profit, where as a state wants to enforce an ideology. One would foster the most efficient environment to where they could continue and grow their profitability from generation to generation, while the other would seek to craft what it deems to be necessary to shape a society in some image. Neither are benevolent by any means. They both seek to get something in the end of it.

[–]Sordak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh honestly what you are discribing doenst sound great at all.

Basically raising children with brand awareness.

The idea that the government has some malicious Ideology is quite frankly something i cant follow.

there maybe ideologues that would convince the government of putting bullshit into the curriculum but at the same time the same is true for corporate culture.

I mean just look at reddit and intel and their recent SJW ism.