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Voat.co's provider, hosteurope.de, shuts down voat's servers due to "political incorrectness" (voat.co)

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[–]exploreddit 469ポイント470ポイント  (102子コメント)

This is why we need a fully encrypted decentralized solution. I got instantly downvoted last time I suggested this.

edit: there are several solutions in the works so I'll just suggest learning more at /r/rad_decentralization

[–]Eat_The_Muffin 69ポイント70ポイント  (48子コメント)

http://getaether.net

P2P, anonymous, really nice interface too

[–]cannibaloxfords 39ポイント40ポイント  (11子コメント)

I say we find the go to site for a planned mass exodus away from reddit, we organize it and promote it for several months, then make the move on that day

[–]shodanx 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Back in the day we had standard protocols for doing this kind of thing, we just need a new and improved NNTP with a spiffy web interface.

[–]Eat_The_Muffin 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

There isn't really any site that can compete though, aether is a cool thing but it isn't something that everyone can or will want to use, voat is a clone that is going to turn out just like reddit, they are already looking to pay people from their advertising money to post.

[–]burbod01 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or you could just moan about change and subject yourself to being guided in a direct you don't entirely choose yourself.

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    [–]IgnoreTheTwoof 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Great idea.

    [–]P_leoAtrox 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The only site I know that can compete with reddit is www.criticalthought.me, it actually reminds me of very early days reddit.

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      [–]Battle-Spoon 8ポイント9ポイント  (26子コメント)

      Is it encrypted?

      Is it possible that by using it, I could [accidentally] host and distribute (links to) illegal content?

      [–]Eat_The_Muffin 20ポイント21ポイント  (22子コメント)

      Please don't post child porn, but anything else is fine because it's not like you can be stopped

      [–]Arma_RE 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Guys I think he's wondering if he'll unknowingly distribute illegal content. I believe there are some other decentralization projects where illegal content could be stored on a user's hard disk in an encrypted format, which should be a big concern for any potential users.

      [–]Battle-Spoon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Guys I think he's wondering if he'll unknowingly distribute illegal content.

      Oops. Yes, this is what I meant.

      [–]Eat_The_Muffin 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well only text is stored so if text is illegal then I guess you could

      [–]randomdude21 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Always possible to encode anything to text... Usenet

      [–]Nodent 16ポイント17ポイント  (17子コメント)

      there will likely be cp (and other controversial things) posted by the opposition in order to make the site seem less legitimate.

      [–]will-reddit-for-food 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The possibility of that situation scares the shit out of me. Oh you're an up and coming public figure the Establishment doesn't like? Then suddenly you're being raided by the FBI and there's a ton of kiddie porn on your computer! How do you defend yourself from those kinds of accusations?

      [–]cannibaloxfords 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Just ban cp, but nothing else

      [–]o0c3drik0o 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

      99% of people won't see the irony..

      [–]blackmage1582 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

      How do you do that though?

      • Free speech
      • Censorship

      Choose one.

      [–]will-reddit-for-food 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

      How in the fuck can you consider child pornography as free speech?

      [–]Gokko 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

      just playing devil's advocate, but how in the fuck do you consider literally censoring something, to be not censoring something? part of literal free speech means complete lack of censorship, and if you start adding grey areas or exceptions you've already lost the true concept of free speech. that's the point he's making.

      [–]GenericGeneration 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      There are limits. There will always be limits. CP sure as fuck should be censored, and that's not even debatable. Those abused kids don't give a fuck if someone is whining about censorship.

      [–]will-reddit-for-food 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

      part of literal free speech means complete lack of censorship

      That's not true at all....

      I think it's quite simple from a legal point. Making jokes about fat people is perfectly legal and you can not be imprisoned for saying fat people are gross. Fucking a toddler is illegal. Sharing a video of you or anyone else fucking a toddler is also illegal. Outlawing something illegal is not censorship and therefore has no effect on free speech.

      [–]rymmen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How is it not?

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        [–]cannibaloxfords 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Find a balance and don't allow illegal stuff like cp

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          [–]BenedictCumberland 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Why would you want to

          [–]Battle-Spoon 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I don't want to. In hindsight, I guess my comment seems a bit suspicious, but I was more concerned about being blamed for someone else's illegal content.

          [–]ronintetsuro 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I really REALLY like Aether, it just needs more users...

          [–]NaughtyMayor 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

          All of these need more users.

          Dominant majority couldn't care less unfortunately.

          [–]Eat_The_Muffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          It won't have more users unless people join even though it isn't full

          [–]leaderless_res 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

          what?

          [–]Eat_The_Muffin 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

          If you don't join because it isn't popular then it will never be popular

          [–]Muffinator4 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          People have to start using it despite the lack of users in order for other people to use it.

          [–]otherhand42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          As much as I dislike censorship, at this point the entire reason I won't use it is because I don't want to look at 90% of the content being annoying hate groups. They will drive away people who want to use it for any other reason.

          [–]gombo223 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          what a minute ... everybody loves P2P, but running a P2P website from my computer?

          i don't know, and what happens to the data i post and then go offline, can people still read it?

          or does the database gets distributed P2P to every user after every change from every user? this seem inefficient...

          edit: is also has a downloadable client for mac, windows and linux OSes - why not just make a website and package it with a simple web server? wouldn't need three apps for different platforms at least and it would look the same on all platforms.

          edit2: meh, this is inefficient... appreciate the hard work by dev though.

          [–]Callampadero 14ポイント15ポイント  (14子コメント)

          Don't you guys ever suspect, though, that the US Feds don't put full pressure on P2P because they're piggybacking in?

          [–]rijl 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

          Who would they put pressure on?

          The point of p2p is decentralization. The best they can do is undermine the technology and cause people to lose trust in it.

          Edit:

          Or spread rumors that criminals, terrorists, and child pornographers want to use the technology because it shields them. Age old fear mongering. see the comments below raving about jailbait porn.

          [–]Drbarke 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

          What do you guys mean when you say decentralization?

          [–]bonestamp 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I assume they mean that it's hosted in multiple locations by multiple people (think bitcoin network). The advantage being that if one or multiple nodes go offline there are other nodes to fall back on and otherwise distribute the load.

          Edit: I'll add that the main downside to decentralized services is latency. Bitcoin works well because a very tiny amount of data needs to be synchronized reasonably quickly. The bulk of the data can be synchronized with less urgency or not even synchronized at all depending on its age. But a social media site, which a site like reddit or voat basically are now, means that you have a lot of data that you want to synchronize quickly. It's not necessarily impossible, but it's much more challenging than something like bitcoin (at least on the big data side of it).

          [–]Drbarke 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Thanks for the concise response mate.

          [–]deathcomesilent 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'd love to see some of the people from the bitcoin realm take a crack at "free speech via crpyto-democracy.

          The pirate bay has proven that you can host the website, bitcoin has proven that you can decentralize security, I feel like we already have all the pieces and we just need a few Aaron Swarts types to put it all together!

          [–]notaseriesoftubes 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          even bitcoin takes forever to be synchronized. It takes a solid 15 minutes to get a single transaction confirmation.

          [–]Prometheus720 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That's faster than clearing a check.

          [–]bonestamp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Ya, fair enough. But, that data is available for nodes to work with relatively quickly... even if it's not confirmed in a block for a while.

          [–]AngelOfLight 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Remember Napster? It was vulnerable because the network relied on a small number of central servers. The RIAA simply had to obtain a court order to shut down those servers in order to bring down the entire network.

          Why have they not done the same with Bittorrent? It's because BT is a true peer-to-peer system. Every user becomes a part of the network, meaning that there are literally millions of nodes. There simply is no way to shut down all, or even a sizable portion of them.

          [–]TheUltimateSalesman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Tiny little parts are stored everywhere and in multiple copies. Destroy a piece, it gets replaced and replicated.

          [–]rijl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It means there isn't any one person or organization that can be isolated and shut down.

          It means strength in numbers.

          [–]bloodguard 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

          So Usenet plus encryption. It's back to the future, Marty!

          [–]tripsick 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          newsgroups are awesome.

          [–]meshnet_user 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I miss them, actually. console nntp was the way to go.

          [–]recursiver 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Like I2P?

          [–]RamblinRambo3 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

          I've been saying that voat.co is shit because of where their servers are and what their founder said about considering censoring some opinions. But oh no everyone has been on that voat.co is great bandwagon. It's not a good option.

          [–]peterson2004 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

          I got instantly downvoted last time I suggested this.

          That's because most of reddit is now under sock control. Probably over 80% of comments on main subs are socks.

          I posted a talk a while back where some analysis was conducted on some mainstream comment sources, where they were able to figure out which accounts were socks and 95% of the conversation was from shills. Reddit has removed the ability to track any of this, so it's just an estimation.

          [–]_________________-__ 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

          "Reddit has removed the ability to track any of this, so it's just an estimation."

          "I literally have no source or possible way to verify my outlandish claims, just believe me."

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            [–]themadhat1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            i know it costs lots of money, but bye decentralizing do you mean servers in different areas? kind of how tor works?

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              [–]richard_m_lurkmoar2 104ポイント105ポイント  (7子コメント)

              this is fucked

              someone in that post made the comment that the ddos and then the provider cancelling are the exact things that happened to hotwheels and in the same order

              [–]hack_jealousy 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Almost like that's how things are done.

              [–]ndimoro 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Clearly it's the same people doing the same things.

              [–]TheWiredWorld 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Wait, there's no more 8ch?

              [–]richard_m_lurkmoar2 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

              yes, but it was attacked as soon as people started jumping ship from halfchan

              [–]Dysnomi 84ポイント85ポイント  (13子コメント)

              The reason they gave us when they notified us that they have cancelled our contract is "...we have received significant information that the content on your server includes political incorrect parts that are unacceptable for us." and "Due to the fact that we cannot keep bond of trust to you as our customer...".

              Bwah!?

              Luckily, we have managed to move our databases to a cloud platform mere hours before they shut down our servers.

              Thank goodness!

              just to clarify, I have been a hosteurope.de customer for well over 5 years, always paying my bills and never hosting any illegal content.

              [–]Dysnomi 55ポイント56ポイント  (10子コメント)

              Your donations are what keeps us afloat. Our paypal account has been un-suspended, so you can still donate to hello@voat.co, or via bitcoin to wallet address 1C4Q1RvUb3bzk4aaLVgGccnSnaHYFdESzY.

              [–]SoCo_cpp 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Are you suspecting that this website is a clone and not the real voat or just a publicity stunt?

              [–]Dysnomi 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

              No. I suspect conde-nast dumped FPH onto this sub and voat. I suspect their affiliates ddosed voat and pulled a favor from hosteurope.de to pull voat's servers.

              I will say it was rather prime timing for voat to have gone to the clouds. That kinda stuff happens though.

              [–]dustlesswalnut 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Or maybe the host doesn't want to be associated with hateful content, and the "DDOS" was merely a bunch of people trying to use a site that was hosted on a single server and couldn't handle the traffic.

              [–]spasticity 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Reddit hug of death to voat now becomes a "CONDE NAST PURPOSELY FUCKED VOAT. HOW DARE THEY!" Reddit knocks websites offline all the time due to traffic. It's super common, and usually not even close to malicious.

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                [–]gnovos 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Ah, so you're thinking maybe they did this to themselves to get some money?

                [–]Dysnomi 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Not really. More like I'm advertising their bitcoin wallet address to all of you.

                Voat runs on donations. Reddit runs on advertising. I just donated free advertising to Voat. Whether you don't or do donate to voat, reddit continues to slide downhill.

                [–]gnovos 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Ah, I misunderstood what you meant by that. Too much conspiracy thought on the brain.

                [–]IRelishPickles 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                That is not a legit quote from the site. Atko took down the donation info and thanked everyone, because he has enough to keep the site afloat for a long time. This was part of the original message addressing the hosteurope issue.

                [–]fiodorson 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                never hosting any illegal content.

                Holocaust denial is illegal in Germany

                [–]Dysnomi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Exactly. Laws are stupid.

                [–]geekygirl23 110ポイント111ポイント  (141子コメント)

                Couple of things.

                1) https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/146757/357958

                2) Recently found a jailbait sub over there that implores users to go ahead and post pussy and tits.

                Not sure about Europe but as a service provider in the US there is at least one thing that has been found to be unprotected speech and that is porn depicting minors. You will not find a single legitimate host that will allow you to run a site that allows communities like this to exist.

                Service providers are exempt from almost everything and have no requirements to police their content. In fact, it is suggested to not remove content that you think is copyrighted or similar because once you start moderating for things like that you are liable to moderate your entire site. Best to let the DMCA's come in and only take action then.

                If you as a service provider find potential child porn on your platform you are supposed to remove the content and report it to the authorities so they can investigate.

                Again, suspected child pornography is not covered under free speech laws and anyone that wants to remain online is going to have to take action against it swiftly. Not only can it get your hosting pulled and website seized you can be held personally liable for your inaction, especially if someone specifically contacted you about it.

                Atko seems a bit in over his head and overwhelmed with the decisions that need to be made on a site seeing rapid growth. He's going to have to make some tough calls but I'm sure the free speech oriented userbase will be ok with this kind of decision.

                Maybe the laws are different in Europe but I doubt it as much as I doubt most people would willingly participate in a site that has this kind of content.

                [–]Irvin700 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

                Difference is to NOT post illegal content. You know, stuff that YOUR government can get you for. Stuff that the government can't get you for stays.

                [–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (56子コメント)

                Recently found a jailbait sub over there that implores users to go ahead and post pussy and tits.

                This isnt exactly true. They say no fully nude for under 16 years old, which is the law in Switzerland where their servers are (were?). Not sure what the ramifications of that will be for people outside Switzerland. Either way it still kind of creeps me out, but the whole point of freedom is not to hold other people to other's personal feelings right?

                Since all the images are hosted on third party sites (mostly imgur) and not on voat's servers I think the liability is going to fall on them.

                It also says all this stuff on the sidebar and faq of that jailbait sub. Wouldnt have taken a whole lot of extra time on your part to investigate more before posting unnecessarily inflammatory threads elsewhere.

                [–]Maxwyfe 48ポイント49ポイント  (27子コメント)

                You know, if I'm in charge of a service like that, I'm going to have to go with the "better safe than sorry" option as Voat seems to have done. CP is not a thing you want your company associated with at all.

                [–]GoonCommaThe 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

                That's not how it works. It doesn't matter where the servers are, because the content is still illegal in many countries and is being posted and viewed from those countries. Child pornography is child pornography.

                [–]geekygirl23 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

                A different sub doesn't mention age but says to go ahead and post pussy and tits.

                Also this.

                http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3aef5e/voatcos_provider_hosteuropede_shuts_down_voats/csbxrdo

                [–]burbod01 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                A different sub doesn't mention age but says to go ahead and post pussy and tits.

                What are you talking about? There is none. You have no ability to cite it. Stop spreading rumors.

                [–]IRelishPickles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                troll

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                    [–]Number357 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Voat is being unreasonable with the jailbait stuff. The "free speech for everybody! No rules!" sounds good in theory but they can't possibly expect to replace reddit when they're hosting a sub like that. And the fappening sub could also cause problems down the road, didn't reddit have to take that down because the celebs could have sued them?

                    [–]SeudonymousKhan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    What makes you think it had to do with a Jailbait sub? That's not the reason hosteurope gave. The service was canceled because Voat was hosting "politically incorrect parts that are unacceptable for us." They didn't mention illegal content as far as I know, which I'm sure they would have since it's a far more credible reason.

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                      [–]ToastedSoup 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      From https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/146757 :

                      Our hosting provider, hosteurope.de has terminated all our contracts and shut down all our servers without issuing a warning or trying to talk to us. This includes my private server which was only used to host my girlfriends blog. She is a scientist. She published her research papers on that blog (pre-formatted papers to which she owns the copyright). That server contained no other data whatsoever.

                      The reason they gave us when they notified us that they have cancelled our contract is "...we have received significant information that the content on your server includes political incorrect parts that are unacceptable for us." and "Due to the fact that we cannot keep bond of trust to you as our customer...".

                      Luckily, we have managed to move our databases to a cloud platform mere hours before they shut down our servers. Ladies and gentlemen, my eyes have been opened by this. I don't know about you, but we are living in a weird world. We will have to carefully evaluate our long term options of providing a platform of free speech if we are to stay online. Your donations are what keeps us afloat.

                      Also, I am back in Sweden from my post-graduation vacation, currently packing my things and I will be driving (moving) to Switzerland tomorrow or day after tomorrow.

                      Edit: just to clarify, I have been a hosteurope.de customer for well over 5 years, always paying my bills and never hosting any illegal content.

                      Edit 2: thank you all who donated. I removed info on how to donate as I feel we have received enough to help us survive for quite some time. We will publish a detailed report about how much money we have received through donations (all bitcoin transactions are already public) and what the money will be used for. I can already say that we have received around 8000 USD since our call for donation went up a few days ago. This money will most likely have to be taxed, but a detailed report will be published asap. I have received interview requests from several major news agencies but responding to these agencies will have to wait. A voat which runs smoothly and satisfied users is my #1 priority. It would feel wrong for me to be spending time appearing in the media while there are plenty other more pressing issues to deal with right here.

                      [–]ChaosMotor 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      If you can't kill the plant, poison the soil, huh?

                      [–]TangleF23 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      If you can't get rid of the assholes, get rid of their asshole planets.

                      [–]bundlespoons 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Was anyone under the impression that Europe (especially Germany) was some kind of new promised land of free speech compared to the US?

                      [–]Flytape 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Lol no.

                      Any country that has hate speech laws is not a promised land of free speech.

                      [–]denizen42 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      How can hate speech be a welcome part of promised land?

                      [–]wazzard 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      You don't have to read it.

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                        [–]killthemallseriously 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Voat needs to be on dynamic cloud hosting anyway

                        [–]Im_Batmmaann 15ポイント16ポイント  (13子コメント)

                        some guy on srs said he did it How has SRS not been banned yet for harassment?

                        [–]waddlingwhales 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        This needs to be higher up honestly. There is no excuse for this user not being banned- their post just encourages false reporting of illegal activity for personal gain and Reddit's obvious connection with srs stinks of corruption.

                        [–]circusjerks 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        so voat hosted very illegal content and it wasn't about political correctness?? your naive if you think this had anything to do with political correctness

                        [–]limefog 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        SRS has not been banned for harassment because they shut down a competitor of reddit. While reddit can't officially support harassment, they sure as hell can and will turn a blind eye when it results in decreased competition.

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                          [–]Typhoidmary1 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Just in case any of you guys are intrested https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy

                          [–]blaaaahhhhh 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Who mods it? Are the mod logs completely visible? What would be the pros and cons to using v/conspiracy over r/conspiracy?

                          [–]44299 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/modlog/deleted

                          [–]Typhoidmary1 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          You can look at the mod list, total subscribers ect by pressing the menu button on the top left next to the voat symbol when on a subverse.

                          Pros- less censorship, better admins and let's face it if the reddit admins are going to continue banning/censoring I'm willing to bet this sub is one of the ones that will be targeted.

                          Cons- Voat has gone down before becasue of the huge increase in users, multiple DDoS attacks and now this drama.

                          Ultimately it's up to you and I hope you give it chance.

                          [–]theonlylawislove 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I've looked at the source for voat. It was never meant to scale.

                          I'm going to work on a system that can handle the load that Reddit.con can, using event sourcing, CQRS, Redis, etc.

                          The source code for voat was never meant for the scale we need it for.

                          [–]Pongpianskul 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          What exactly are they referring to?

                          [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Well. Voats policy is just anything goes as long as its legal. There are a couple subs coming up already sexualizing minors and propagating hate speech. The jailbait sub over there allows nudity of 16+ year old girls because that is the law where their servers are hosted. Stuff like that will create a lot of backlash from international organizations though.

                          [–]geekygirl23 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          http://www.englishforum.ch/daily-life/196591-new-laws-switzerland-2014-a-2.html

                          plus the consumption of hard pornography is now illegal and punishable with up to 6 years in prison. This isn't limited to child porn (where it makes sense) but also to certain other kinds of porn that are legal in pretty much every other country in the world, meaning that porn consumers will be incriminating themselves by surfing on pretty much any porn site on the planet now (willingly or not - background pop-ups on some sites might already land you in prison). The federal council wanted to have stuff like urination etc. eliminated from the list of hard porn, but the national council chose to keep it in.

                          To add some wtflol to the mix.

                          [–]EurocentricZionist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          plus the consumption of hard pornography is now illegal and punishable with up to 6 years in prison. This isn't limited to child porn (where it makes sense) but also to certain other kinds of porn that are legal in pretty much every other country in the world

                          I'm probably going to be sorry for asking this, but... what are some example types of porn that were made illegal?

                          Are we talking also written erotica? I'm not saying that the bulk of shapeshifter stories about werewolves or minotaurs are any good, but as long as it's fictional, no one is actually having sex with a dog or a horse. If written CP becomes illegal, there goes Lolita.

                          I'm going to go on record as saying I support the kind of anime stuff that is borderline CP, because it's only a cartoon and in some cases can even be therapeutic to actual pedophiles, because it lets them get their jollies to simulated drawings rather than go after actual kids.

                          background pop-ups on some sites might already land you in prison

                          Adblock or die, folks. Yeesh. And I thought Europe ditched fascism when the guy who killed Hitler killed the guy who killed Hitler.

                          [–]SagamiSurprise 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Ironic that they encountered an actual free speech issue on the new site

                          [–]GrantAres 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          An SRS mod just made a post bragging about falsely reporting child porn to voat's host.

                          [–]FruityBoxer 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          So.. Tldr: Pedophiles have ruined Voat ?

                          [–]ExcuseMyTourettes 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Could be anyone trying to ruin the website and it's reputation.

                          [–]TheGreatRoh 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          I'd say SJW but that's being redundant.

                          [–]lolurwack 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          voat is running fast as shit now.

                          [–]J2501 13ポイント14ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          If the government doesn't censor you, a private corporation will. This is exactly why true anarchists are not capitalist. We realize that private sector power can be just as oppressive, abusive, and exploitative as public power. One can only hope that the free market would support a web host that is completely anti-censorship, both ideologically and as a business model.

                          [–]BassBeerNBabes -3ポイント-2ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          Anarchist.

                          Follows Reddit's rules.

                          [–]_pennypacker 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          U really have no idea what anarchism is. What do u think, anarchists dont stop at the red traffic light?

                          [–]FMTY 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Super-private social network launched to take on Facebook with support of Anonymous - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent (2015-06-17) http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/superprivate-social-network-launched-to-take-on-facebook-with-support-of-anonymous-10325307.html

                          [–]retrobuddha 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          What is this about can someone explain

                          [–]TangleF23 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          People who hated fat people decided they needed their own website. They fucked up.

                          [–]retrobuddha 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          ugh, that's what I thought, idiots.

                          [–]SaxonWitch 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Had nothing to do with FPH [fat people are not quite as important as you'd like them to be]; but with corrupt mods and admins. Voat was supposed to be different. Inform yourself before spewing nonsense.

                          [–]TangleF23 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          confirmed: banning FPH is corrupt and is hate speech against people who hate fat people

                          [–]SaxonWitch 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Too right it is. Hating fat people isn't a crime...

                          ...yet.

                          [–]TangleF23 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          And if it becomes one, that will be a slightly good thing.

                          [–]TangleF23 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          what did you expect

                          [–]TrustyTapir 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          You can't have free speech while you're hosted in a centralized location. Every country either has its own agenda or enforces the agenda of another country.

                          [–]ParanoidFactoid 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          "Free Speech" does not mean what you think it means.

                          Two errors by implication here:

                          1) That "Free Speech" means speech without consequences.

                          2) That any and all limits to speech constitute imposition on free speech rights.

                          Yale Law has a good discussion on the history of prior restraint (censorship) and modern US Supreme Court interpretations (in particular, a long discussion on Near v Minnesota).

                          http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3761&context=fss_papers

                          RE: #1 (Pg 651 marked in text)

                          In the course of the eighteenth century, freedom of the press from licensing came to assume the status of a common law or natural right. Blackstone summarized the law in a famous passage:"

                          The liberty of the press is indeed essential to the nature of a free state; but this consists in laying no previous restraints upon publications, and not in freedom from censure for criminal matter when published. Every free man has an undoubted right to lay what sentiments he pleases before the public; to forbid this, is to destroy the freedom of the press; but if he publishes what is improper, mischievous or illegal, he must take the consequences of his own temerity."

                          RE :#2 New York v Ferber, Supreme Court decision regulating dissemination of child pornography. In short: the government can censor it. CP is NOT protected speech. There are many other examples, but given that the material in question on VOAT appears to have been CP - there you go. A good reason for any government to intervene and an explanation for how not all speech is free - even in the land of the First Amendment.

                          [–]immibis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          When did /u/TrustyTapir say anything about free speech rights?

                          [–]Not_for_consumption 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          How is this TopMind material? Because FPH users have made a sub on Voat? That's a tenuous link IMO

                          Addit: or is it a conspiracy thing?

                          [–]EurocentricZionist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          TBH, Germany takes this kind of thing very seriously considering their obvious history. The EU is not like the US in that no country has a First Amendment, and certain types of speech can be banned or get you in trouble (even criminal trouble).

                          I suggested elsewhere that the admins get in touch with the folks at Dramatica and see what provider they use. Maybe they'd be willing to let them share some server space temporarily until they could get things up and running fully on their own again.

                          I wouldn't worry about Voat being DOA, though. I mean, look at how many times Pirate Bay has gone down, only to rise up again. And again. And again. And again and again and again and again...

                          [–]Eat_The_Muffin 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Nobody in the other subs will even consider that maybe reddit is behind voat being kept offline and then shut down.

                          It would be a clever move by pao, set fire to the house due to poor decision making and then shoot anyone who tries to leave.

                          [–]Blunderaem 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It'd be stupid decision by Pao or her bosses. They want Reddit cleaned up to become profitable either through direct ads, investment cash, marketing research, or selling it to a FaceBook/Google.

                          With Voat active Reddit wins. Any troublesome users can go there, and make her job easier. At her worst she'd try poisoning Voat for the average user, but never destroy it outright. To use an analogy it's Reddit's Zion.

                          [–]Charlemagne2014 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Here is what I bet happened, the SJW got the site banned out of spite. The SJWs on Reddit knew people were going to VOAT. Now they couldnt just be ok with people leaving this site (they won, that's what they wanted, right?). They had to punish the very people they just kicked out. So, they contacted the provider and complained that horrible things were on VOAT (Im willing to be the SJW themselves put half of the stuff there to frame the site), then got it banned. This was purposefully done. It isnt about free speech on the net, it's about shutting down anyone guilty of a thought crime, forever.

                          [–]I_AlsoDislikeThat 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Or...bare with me here...the company who runs the servers didn't want to be tied to child porn...not everything is a fucking conspiracy.

                          [–]Orlyborly 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Do you know that there is CP, or are you just parroting SRS?

                          [–]through_a_ways 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          If the servers are shut down, why is voat working right now?

                          [–]Free_Tokes 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          He's got it on "the cloud"......

                          You don't need servers when your stuff is on "the cloud".

                          [–]alcalde 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          "The cloud" is a bunch of servers. (???)

                          [–]EurocentricZionist 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Which means that it's a Hydra model. You shut down one, you can't shut them all down because the site is still running on all the others. It's similar to mirroring; in fact I'd love to see some kind of hybrid model of cloud-based decentralization and voluntary community mirroring. They'd have to literally start WW3 and blow up the entire planet in order to shut the Internet down. Contrary to the belief of some tech-illiterate Congressmen, the Internet is a lot more than just a "series of tubes." It's a whole, well, web of connections that has become so vast that literally anyone who has an internet-connected device can themselves be a server in and of themselves. Can you imagine the sheer power we would have if every single iPhone on the planet was able to mirror Voat, Mega, Wikileaks, or PirateBay?

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                            [–]Lisa93x 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Word is that the extreme powers that own most of reddit are doing all they can to sabbatoge voat.co as it's just the better site.

                            [–]Free_Tokes 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Seriously?

                            You honestly don't believe that?

                            [–]partiallypro -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Put it on Azure or AWS

                            [–]redorblu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            drop an email to piratebay and ask them for hosting advice or tips

                            [–]EurocentricZionist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            PirateBay or even Dramatica. PirateBay's issues involve copyright, while the free (offensive) speech issues are definitely Dramatica's realm.

                            [–]a_jaxx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            wow...

                            [–]X_Irradiance -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I can't help but imagine it as something like this scenario.

                            [–]Amos_Quito -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            YOU TRIED TO HOST VOAT ON A FUCKING GERMAN SERVER???

                            OMFG.

                            Germany {{{ HOLOCAUST }}} is OWNED. That country has been beaten to a PULP by EVERYONE (especially Jews) since they lost WWII. It is THE most politically correct country on the planet. Offend someone there, and you're looking at fucking JAIL TIME.

                            depending on who you offend - your results may vary

                            Get the fuck out of Germany (and Europe) if you hope to have a chance at anything resembling "free speech".

                            [–]DronePuppet 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            Shuts them down but they are still up?

                            [–]grundo1561 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            /r/conspiracy is just a bunch of right-wing gun nut whack jobs. Bunch of idiots, I tell ya what.

                            Edit: wrong thread. I'm keeping this up for the hell of it, although I'm fully prepared to be thoroughly chewed out.

                            [–]BassBeerNBabes 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            Calls sub right wing gun nut whack jobs. And idiots.

                            Uses phrase "I tell ya what."

                            [–]grundo1561 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            >Not knowing King of the Hill meemee

                            [–]BassBeerNBabes 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            "I tell ya what" is really common Red State phrase. I'm so sorry I didn't realize you were making a quote of a coined phrase.

                            [–]CarrionComfort 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            It's actually pretty funny. Lots of people's only exposure to these things are through King of the Hill, so everyone outside the South and Texas knows them as King of the Hill references.

                            [–]BassBeerNBabes 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            As someone who's lived in TX, and now lives elsewhere, it's fun being able to say "yeah that's pretty much how suburban TX life is..." and have people disbelieve you.

                            [–]CarrionComfort 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I knew a guy from Texas who said that his first reaction to seeing the show was disbelief as to why people would think its a funny show.

                            It shows the skill Mike Judge has that he could walk that line.

                            [–]FedoraTip9000 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Proud right winger.

                            [–]Scuttlebutt91 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                            [–]cometparty 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Hilarious.

                            [–]ura-sheep 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            This makes me want to delete my Reddit Account.

                            [–]flexiverse 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Well it was too fucking slow. If the admins were serious they would get some fucking decent hosting. So they just playing around really.

                            [–]nuesuh -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            since when has "political correctness" been a good thing?

                            [–]alcalde 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            Since there is no such thing as "political correctness", only "correctness". The term "political correctness" was invented by old white people upset that they could no longer drop the term "n****r" in casual conversation anymore.

                            I remember the first time I heard "political correctness", in 1990 as a college freshman. There has been a "murder mystery" party and one student asked if he could keep the props when it was over. He was given them and used them to decorate his dorm room. Not satisfied, he used tape to make the outline of a body on the carpet. For the finishing touch, he used the tape to write "F*G" inside the body outline.

                            The dorms weren't air-conditioned and in warm weather people tended to leave their doors opened. The young man across the hall from this fellow's room was gay. He had to get up every morning to see "F*G" and a dead body outline on the floor of the room across from his. He rightly complained about this and the other person was asked to remove this from his room. And thus, in an editorial by a student in the campus magazine, a complaint about "political correctness" appeared.

                            I'll never stop thinking of that example whenever I hear anyone complain about "politilcal correctness". I go by "moral correctness", and my moral compass tells me intimidating other people is not correct.

                            [–]Noondozer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Holy shit.

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