MCH Damage vs BRD

Lepony · 4時間前

From what I can tell:

Machinist's damage blows major ass. That or there's something about the parsers that parse MCH's 50-80dps less than everyone else.

And you know, I don't really have the slightest clue as to why their damage is so low. On paper, they seem perfectly fine. So-so GCD skills that proc into each other, skills that that increases GCD damage+guarantees procs every so often, plethora of oGCD skills to make up for their lackluster main damage, and the best damage buffs in the game. Add on pretty dope turrets that do as much damage as shitty summoner/scholars who only use ruin, and the entire class should be golden. But it's not.

And in practice, this is a pretty damned difficult class to play optimally. Especially once you get Gauss Barrel. The entire class is fun as hell to play because of it. But the effort:reward ratio is pathetic; the best you can muster opening+constant as hell rotation/upkeep only equates to a marginal increase in deeps.

I don't have the slightest clue on how to fix the class either other than give everything a potency boost either. Increase Gauss Barrel's buff by 5-10%? Make Clear Shot do 220 instead of 200? Make Slug Shot have a 60-70% proc rate? No goddamned idea.

aloofchair · 4時間前

I don't see mch being competitive or worth a raid slot unless there are some VERY specialized fights. Sure we have a lot of utility, but a lot of it is tied to another spells cd, and none of it is unique special utility.

Not to mention that the "rotation" is both (imo) unfun and the hardest in the game. Constantly paying attention to rng procs is tedious and boring, and having no procs after 4-6 attacks is mind numbing and hurts your optimal reload usage.

On the other hand, I can see mch's getting enormous buffs to compensate, and there will be very few at 60 since they were bad initially, making them very valued.

Seriously considering leveling another job to 60 first.

regollyek · 8時間前

Wildfire hits decently hard, but not as much as you'd hope for a 90 second cooldown. I'm only 52 on Machinist, but my highest Clean Shot crit has been about 1150, highest Wildfire roughly 1550 (non-crit? can it even crit?). It's hard to plan out Wildfire for maximum damage because what gives you the highest Wildfire numbers isn't really the best for your rotation.

Overall Machinist damage is pretty underwhelming minus the bots that are like Super-Sword Oath. From what I've read here and the official forums Machinists seem to parse about 25-35% lower than Bards, but it's hard to tell if their individual parses are properly including the Rook Bot's damage, Wildfire, etc. Machinists also have a huge RNG element to their DPS.

Yagudo · 6時間前

Sadly, MCH damage doesn't seem very good, at least at level 53. :(

At level 53, my machinist, in my hands, does significantly less damage that my black mage which has worse gear. Now sure, that's not level 60. But why shouldn't the DPS classes at least be close in terms of damage at every level?

My BLM is ilvl 121 (and level 50). My MCH is 122 (and level 53). Here is my BLM against a target dummy. Here is my MCH against the same dummy. (and yes, that includes the rook auto turret and wildfire/lead DOTs) It's not even close. If it was 40 or 50 DPS one way or the other, I would be cool with it. Instead, the difference in average DPS was about 135. That's insane. That's enough of a difference to make MCH feel much weaker when you play it, and enough to warrant replacing one in a party. Now sure, I could be making mistakes with my MCH rotation, but from what I can tell, I'm doing a pretty decent job at it.

I don't think people are complaining about MCH damage just for the fun of complaining either. I think they are complaining because the class certainly seems to output much less damage than other classes. Can I prove it in all cases? Of course not. Can I 'prove' it well enough to convince myself that the class is undertuned? Yeah, I think I can make that case.

Doobiemoto · 1時間前

Unless there is something extremely wrong with ACT and FFXIV APP then Machinist damage blows hard.

I am fine with my machinist being the lowest dps due to utility, however, not as low as they are. It is kind of a joke how little dps they seem to do after the initial burst of cooldowns.

Also, while the RNG proc element of the rotation seems fun and interesting, it is just stupid. It leads to a low damaging class being even lower due to RNG.

bigblackcouch · 8時間前

Machinist

Damage

Pick one. :(

I got to 54, I gave up. It needs a buff really, really badly. I felt like an asshole going into dungeons and basically being a scholar that doesn't heal.

What's fantastic though, I was playing my monk and queued into a High roulette with a WHM friend, and we got into a dungeon with a Machinist in full Poetics gear, we all got synced down to 110. We had several moments of perfect example as to how fucked up Machinist damage is, my WHM friend thought people were exaggerating and it's one of those "Learn to play" problems. When we were done she was of the mindset that holy shit MCH damage is messed up.

Nope, this machinist playing was doing fine, he wasn't flubbing up his rotations, kept up Hot Shot and Lead Shot. Only weird thing he did was not follow the tank for targeting, which lead to my perfect example: One pull had two of the same mob, tank holds aggro on both, I start attacking tank's target, machinist attacks the opposite, so the tank swapped to the second target after getting threat on target 1. Tank's a mostly-weathered soldiery gear PLD, so he's not exactly ripping up the DPS meters either, but that's ok! Not his job!

Alone, I killed target 1 no problem, target 2 with both machinist and tank on it, was at 57% health. That means in the time it took me to kill something, the machinist could only get the identical mob down by 40%. Again, not knocking the guy because he was doing everything right, and not patting myself on the head for DON GUD DEEPS MONK. It's the class. The numbers are really fucked right now. They need a buff badly, not a "Eh this can wait til the next pre-raid patch", they need one on Tuesday.

But I don't want to gamble on if they will roll out a hotfix for them or if there's more important things. So I'd rather focus on a class I know works fine and I like, rather than one that I kinda like that's broken as fuck.

TL;DR - Whatever class you play, it's better damage than MCH. Even white mage.

LieutenantHaven · 8時間前

With a buffed empyreal arrow+ barrage its possible to hit 4k+

Chronotaru · 5時間前

I think it's important to recognise that other jobs have had two years of theory crafting and rotation perfecting. I'm sceptical that the devs would have left it at the levels here, perhaps it's best to wait until 60 and see how things are with all skills and when people have had a little while to see if there's any optimisations that can be made.

Bhaldund_Ahldankasyn · 2時間前

If you get the perfect opener with a well timed Wildfire, it can do pretty insane burst damage. So far it seems that MCH is a little weak during the period where its cooldowns are offline, mostly relying on the RNG of the combo proc system. Dat burst though.

kalamarosoupitsa · 1時間前

I've felt we are doing low dmg too, and to be honest it hurts my feelings as thematically I love the MCH.

Maybe I'll have to level my BLM first... BUT I LIKE GUNS*

*fictional guns only

Omegamaru · 41分前

I know that this won't make a huge difference, but even with the ACT update, I'm still not getting any showing of Wildfire damage. Anyone else have that issue?

Serimorph · 1時間前

Having only played 1 level of machinist I'm not entirely versed in their full damage capabilities but having the main (and only) combo chain for a class based around RNG procs is really shit. Wouldn't it make more sense and end up being better for damage if if acted like every other combo chain, only the procs that happened added a certain % of potency to the attack on top of the chain? Would that fix the seemingly low damage people are talking about? Would allow for some rather high bust I would think with the ammo system on top of that lined up correctly with buffs.

snagz · 8時間前

Machinist is shit DPS. Got it to 53 before giving it up because right now it just wouldn't be viable in raids until it's adjusted. It does parse around 20-30% lower than BRD, which is already the lowest.

Edit: ITT butthurt machinists that can't accept their class does subpar dps. The stupidity of some people in this sub never ceases to amaze. I'm not going to hold your hand and explain how/why MCN currently sucks because you're too fucking dumb to understand it. Bring on the downvotes, casuals, and continue being blissfully ignorant as you 200 dps your way to dungeon victory.

Chocowark · 1時間前

Don't listen to anyone who isn't 60. So basically, this thread is garbage.

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