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[–]MirrorNinjaBot 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

mirror - GB, AU restricted

[–]Melicalol 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I don't really care much about this episode and how much little research they even put to make it. What surprised me the most was the Bing part. Mate, the whole purpose of Bing is for vindictive perverts.

[–]AFellowOfLimitedJest 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Clearly, no one has shown John just how strongly Bing is tied with pornography. Seriously - for those who didn't know, click videos, turn off SafeSearch, and marvel at how easily your searches deliver.

[–]ROWROWROWTHEBOAT 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

google is nice too, just have to add the tag "porn" to your searches.

[–]Jens1970 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The police argument (the one about twitter) is a fallacy, hasty generalization

He says just because one police officer doesn't understand twitter, which imo is fine, just give the case to another officer, doens't mean all police officers don't understand twitter. Therefore, this argument is false and cannot/shouldn't be used.

[–]KingWhoBoreTheSword 28ポイント29ポイント  (11子コメント)

At 12:55 doesn't John contradict himself a bit when he says how we can all still laugh at Anthony Weiner sending pictures of his penis out?

[–]Ozqo 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not at all because at 2:35 he explains that if the victim is white and male then it's not harassment.

It's the same pattern of thought gawker uses. If it's a man it's hilarious, if it's a woman you're a terrible person.

[–]cerulean_skylark 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

That isn't what he said at all... did you actually listen to what he said? He said those who don't think this is a problem probably fall into a category of people who do not experience the level of harassment as others. He absolutely did not in any way say it's ok to harass men.

Try not turning this into the fox news spin zone.

[–]Ozqo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He launched into an attack on white men for no reason whatsoever. If he looked at actual data, he would realize that men are harassed as much as women. I'm sick of this bullshit that people feel fine attacking white males unprovoked.

[–]Static-Jak -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't Gawker facing a lawsuit over that?

[–]HorseCode 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Everyone here is nitpicking his metaphor but this is the part that irked me. So I guess since it's in the public interest it's ok to share all of the photos from the Fappening online? I don't think that would've garnered the same reaction.

[–]turkeypedal 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

And what public interest do you propose for sharing the Fappening photos? The public interest with Weiner was that he was an aspiring politician soliciting sex online.

Furthermore, you do realize that the Fappening were all stolen photos, right? It was and still is illegal to share them, even without any revenge porn laws.

[–]Dabee625 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

The "Fappening" photos were stolen from celebrities' phones, Anthony Weiner publicly posted his photo on Twitter. I'm not saying it's right to spread either, but there is a difference.

[–]Tovora 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The "Fappening" photos were stolen from celebrities' phones

I thought they were stolen from Apple's Cloud?

[–]cttouch 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to go ahead and still recommend not sending naked photos to anyone if you fear them ending up online.

[–]johnwaaahliver 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

This doesn't seem particularly well thought-out.

  1. If someone wants to harass someone on twitter by making a new account and saying they're going to rape them, this is impossible to stop. Sorry John, They're using 7 proxies. This is the way the internet has been and this is how it is going to always be. Don't like it? I guess we can ban the internet. But we cannot have our cake and eat it too.

  2. The reason that all those lawyers didn't take the cases of the revenge-porn victims isn't because they lack sympathy. The reasons they provide are not because they're insensitive assholes. Their responses are based strictly in law. There is absolutely zero chance that this bill he is parading passes, because the fact that revenge porn is legal is fundemental to US IP laws. Now we're going to special case pornography? Good luck with that, I cannot imagine it passes ever. Don't like it? I guess we can ban the internet. But we cannot have our cake and eat it too.

Personally? I don't see why telling these women, "sucks that you trusted this guy" to be anything other than reasonable. Stop recording your sexual experiences if you don't want them to get out. I see it as incredibly patronizing to women to enscribe into law the idea that women cannot be held responsible for being a part in recording their sexual experiences. Don't think with your cunt.

[–]Ozqo 15ポイント16ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's sad to see that he thinks that white men don't get harassed. He's so horribly confused.

Oliver's logic isn't always solid. He likes to YELL AND GET REALLY PASSIONATE AND DROWN OUT ANY CRITICAL THOUGHT OF HIS POINTS WITH THE EMPHASIS HE GIVES! I'm surprised he doesn't froth at the mouth when he speaks.

[–]Kissmyasthma100 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's funny you say that because I always enjoyed his segments until I stump upon one I have some knowledge and it was somewhat discomforting to hear his jokes and nonsense comparisons. The subject must be brought to light but not in the way that he did.

[–]sylass94 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still laughed at the jokes. Which made it all the more awkward when he transitioned to the serious parts.

[–]Michauxonfire 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's sad to see that he thinks that white men don't get harassed.

seems weird when he starts the segment by showing comments insulting him. Which can be considered...harrassment?

[–]Sergnb 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean, yeah it is, but there's kind of a big difference between "fuck you man, i don't like you", and "I'm going to find you and fuck you man, I have an irrational and hateful fixation with you and I want you to actually suffer"

[–]Michauxonfire 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just don't agree with his sense of putting everything on "only women get harrassed".
I agree with the theme of the discussion and yeah, this shit needs to be brought out and answered.

[–]Sergnb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But he didn't say only women get harrassed, he said women get more harrassed. Which is true no matter what your perspective is.

The bit where he said "congratulations on your white penis" was right after saying "that doesn't seem like that big a problem". Meaning he wasn't saying white men don't get harrassed, he was saying when discussing the matter a lot of men dismiss it as not as big a deal as it should be.

Now, of course men get harrassed online and offline and I'm sure all of us have dozen of stories of people being fuckwads against us for no reason, but if you start getting into the "actually singling me out and threatening to come to my house and do horrible things to me" territory, the percentage of guys that have been on those shoes really goes down, while on women it stays on an unacceptably high level.

And just to shield myself from possible "OMFG UR A CRZY SWJ LANDWHALE LADY GO BACK TO SRS" comments, I just want to point out I am a guy AND I have actually been targeted by an anonymous person that has threatened me while showcasing personal information that I didn't disclose anywhere, and let me tell you, that shit is fucking scary. Even knowing it was highly unlikely anything was gonna actually happen to me, that thought creeping on the back of your head that you could get jumped on at any moment is enough to warrant at least having a LOOK at the issue.

Look, I dislike anita and brianna just as much as any other, I don't like their actions or how they portray themselves, but why is it so hard for everyone to admit that they ARE indeed getting personal, actually scary threats by the dozens on a consistent basis? Why is it so hard for everyone to say "alright yeah that's just shitty" AND not have to accompany that sentiment with some political "... but I fucking hate feminists and you should dissapear from the internet blabla" kind of dribble?

tl;dr: He talked more about harrassment against women because it's more of a prominent issue. He never said it doesn't happen to men.

[–]hulibuli 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Those poor women getting harassed by angry navy seals.

[–]Kazthulu 39ポイント40ポイント  (15子コメント)

I could do without featuring Anita or Wu but whatever. In the end a legitimate message about a legitimate problem got out there, and anything that helps to cut down on revenge porn is a good thing.

I will say that I think there's a difference between some jackass sending you threats that are probably illegitimate over a public forum through a burner account, and someone taking a picture in front of your house with a knife. Then again I've never had to deal with either so what do I know :P

I think the segment was a net positive. Not his best work, but fuck it, I'll keep watching. John Oliver is entertaining and most of his stuff is on point.

[–]GaboKopiBrown 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think it's actually a good thing.

No matter what I think of them personally, it's not okay to throw out rape or murder threats.'

Unfortunately, that might be a minority opinion on more than a few large subs.

[–]LUDSK 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

I certainly agree with you. While it's ok to disagree with someone's politics, rape and murder threats are NEVER ok, in any circumstance.

Just came from the YouTube comments... so many people were trying to justify the abuse hurled at them with "well, yeah, but they're on the internet and people are annoyed by them so it's justified!". Holy fuck. It's people like that that really lend credence to the notion that the internet is desensitizing us.

[–]fractalGateway 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree but what do you think about xbox culture, and the like. Some kid talking about raping you, "swatting", homophobia, threats of violence.

It's weird because it's just been this thing that none of us took seriously. You don't really know if it's an 8 year old kid with shitty parents, or a legitimate threat, so you just shrug it off and go about your day. Over time, it's not even vaguely shocking, it's just another weirdo on the internet.

Do you think guys just have a lower expectation of humanity?

[–]charonboat 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

Agreed, I really hope people don't totally throw the rest of his message out the window just because they disagree with those two ladies.

[–]SomewhatSpecial 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

I imagine the issue most people have with this video isn't about a difference of opinion with Wu and Sarkeesian. It's about the fact that they aren't legitimate examples of harassment victims - rather, they thrive on the attention this victim status gives them and have even been caught manufacturing fake threats against themselves. Including them in the video does nothing but muddle the issue and detract from the message, not to mention legitimising these people and motivating them to continue their dishonest actions.

What's especially sad is that the video's very real and important message will now get buried under this shitstorm and this will no doubt be used as another example of people being horrible on the Internet.

I wish Oliver had done a little more research and used better examples.

[–]agentndo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, Wu has done a lot of shady things and then deleted her original messages, including harassing her own game while still logged in as her username and then deleting it (not before people noticed, lol). Here's a different example with a quick reddit search for anyone interested:

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jjtv7/brianna_wus_jigsaw_threat_macro_exposed_image_is/

She also comes off as pretty mentally unstable and volatile whenever interviewed, I dislike Anita's views but at least she commits to acting professional even if she has absolutely no interest in gaming (and has said so herself). Wu has manufactured fake harassment towards herself in an almost child-like way that reminds me of some of the people with borderline personalities that I work with each day. And yes, I understand she also receives real death threats, and like free speech, we must protect the rights of even those that we 100% disagree with. Doxxing men and women, threats of rape or explicit violence against either men or women should definitely be worth police attention.

[–]canadamoose18 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let's be real though, how much of his audience is even remotely familiar with Gamergate? The message will not be lost on them and I imagine they are the majority.

[–]SomewhatSpecial 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't have to be. The majority of people will probably see it on YouTube. One glance at the video's comments is all it takes.

[–]janschy/s 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But Wu and Sarkeesian, to anyone outside of Reddit comments, are just known as victims of online harassment. You accuse them of thriving on attention yet the most attention they receive, by far, is the negative attention, discussion, and harassment that is posted on reddit.

[–]TheFadedGrey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also it's not just women that are subject to harassment men too have lost there jobs by the hands of there jilted lovers sending nude pics to there employer Etc.

[–]Weatherboy 34ポイント35ポイント  (9子コメント)

[–]Bannakaffalatta1 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Plus it's also in /r/videos. This comments section is about to be a shit show.

[–]Kaiju_Brother 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

more like comment graveyard

[–]CJ_Jones 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you can stomach it, go to the youtube comments.

I couldn't and now I'm sat in my chair rocking back and forth...

[–]KahnRa 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

safe zone ahead. Crayons, legos and playdough readily available.

[–]inushomaru 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

There better not be any dogs. Puppies included. I had a bad experience with a chihuahua and now their presence is triggering.

[–]KahnRa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh SHIT! Trigger warning! phew, that was close! My spiritual adviser told me only female cats that have been declawed, but there's been a chihuahua in the corner WITH IT'S BALLS STILL ATTACHED eyballing Meadow all evening. It's like a living representation of the patriarchy. We're all taking turns doing abstract paintings of it while the other three of us watch to make sure it's aggression doesn't come our way. If it does, it's Mojo's room now. There's no passive aggressive way of taking it out of here. Mojo does not respond to our disapproval.

[–]Moonswish 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

When reddit banned revenge porn, was the top comment of the announcements thread "Why isnt SRS banned?"?

[–]-TheCabbageMerchant- 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never knew John Oliver had some dank memes in store for us.

[–]Khers 24ポイント25ポイント  (13子コメント)

Kind of takes away the seriousness of online harrassment when you feature 2 known liars that make a profit from it at the beginning of the segment.

[–]stillclub 2ポイント3ポイント  (12子コメント)

Oh yes no one ever harassed them at all lol

[–]Khers 12ポイント13ポイント  (9子コメント)

Not denying that at all. But when you target a large number of people's hobby and start throwing slurs all around you, you're going to get a backlash.

Doesn't make death-threats and the like acceptable. But those two pretty much made a career out of being 'victims', while in reality all online personas receive a huge amount of harrassment.

[–]stillclub 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's my hobby when I heard about her video all I thought was that's kinda neat. Then bunch of my fellow hobbyists got so mad they wanted to kill her. So maybe those people should just get the fuck over it and not be so Damn sensitive

[–]Khers 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not condoning any of the harrassers, they're all morons that overreacted. But I don't believe her views are right either, she's just the new Jack Thompson and should just be ignored imo.

What I'm saying is that when you go on a platform and criticize people's hobby and call products of hard work "sexist", you shouldn't be surprised that you get some backlash. I wish none of that backlash was threats, but at this point those two are calling any and all criticism 'harrassment'.

[–]BoredGamerr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still, that doesn't give them justification to call for their murder and rape.

I couldn't care less about those two ladies but, the comments towards them were not right. Just ignore them bitches and they gonna find a new dick to suck.

If they keep getting hate messages, they further prove their cause.

[–]TreePlusTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guarantee they have multiple lifetimes worth of harassment between the two of them, but if I'm not mistaken, they've both been exposed for creating their own death/rape threats. I'm sure there would be more credible victims out there. Honestly, they could just ask any female politician. They got into that a bit, wish they rode that the whole way.

[–]yayapfool 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hm, this is the first time i haven't felt totally on board with his rationale.

Reddit likes to see only black and white and up vote one sentiment to the stratosphere and downvote 'the' other to bedrock, but hear me out; i saw a lot of both good and bad in this video.

The thing that stands out the most is how blatantly stupid it is to equate (A)"If you don't want naked photos of your body to exist online, don't take them!" to (B)"If you don't want to get burgled, don't live in a house!" etc.

This metaphorical comparison would make sense IF:

  • A was "If you don't want naked photos of your body to exist online, don't ever be naked!" (Scenarios A and B now imply: If X does not exist in reality, X cannot be abused)

OR

  • B was "If you don't want to get burgled, don't give anyone else a key!" (Scenarios A and B now imply: Access to X is granted exclusively, doing so gives recipient power to abuse)

I know full and well nude pictures of myself could affect my life negatively in the wrong hands- which is why they will never end up in the wrong hands. If we need to make laws to safeguard peoples' bad sense of judgement, don't pretend that's not exactly what we're doing.

It would appear i agree with the legal aspects and effective ends and morals outlined in the video, i just think the rationalization for some were downright silly.

[–]Kissmyasthma100 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was a very bad example indeed. You have to be aware and can't act as innocent, specially regarding your privacy. If I walk on some places speaking on my phone I have to know I might get robbed. The thing is, this topic should be discussed but it is a sensitive one so you have to know how to approach it or otherwise it will sound naive.

[–]AmishDragonSlayer 30ポイント31ポイント  (67子コメント)

According to John Oliver only women are under threat from internet harassment.

This whole segment was an /r/TwoXChromosomes wet dream.

The whole part of the video at 11:20 which effectively makes fun of the preventative "Don't take nudes" as somehow a stupid idea, Was just a really ill thought out statement.

"If you don't want to get burgled then don't own a house"

Except having shelter over your head is a basic need of human existence. Taking pictures of your twat and sending them to your boyfriend is not a basic need of existence. The comparison was just really idiotic.

I like John Oliver but this sounds like he's reading a script written by a feminist intern on staff.

[–]FL00P 19ポイント20ポイント  (7子コメント)

I like John Oliver but this sounds like he's reading a script written by a feminist intern on staff.

Hit the nail on the head. (https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/612825187021647872) Learning this felt like a punch to the gut. When this happened to Colbert on his last episode it felt the same, and I really hoped it wouldn't happen to Last Week.

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[–]TinkiW 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This needs way more upvote. It basically explains the first half of this video.

[–]YellowFellow95 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love John Oliver, but he does do this kind of comparison a lot. I usually just take those statements as part of the comedy rather than part of the argument.

[–]FCDRandy 24ポイント25ポイント  (44子コメント)

Taking pictures of your twat and sending them to your boyfriend is not a basic need of existence.

Does someone not have the right to do so, and should they not have legal recourse if their privacy is violated?

[–]Vladimir_Poonani 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

No one is disagreeing with that, but just because you have the legal right to do something doesn't mean it's always the smart, safe thing to do.

I'm legally allowed to leave my wallet full of money on the front seat of my car. Not a smart thing to do. I'm legally allowed to walk to 7-11 alone at 2 in the morning. Not a smart thing to do.

[–]AmishDragonSlayer 15ポイント16ポイント  (38子コメント)

They absolutely have the right to do so. That's a freedom of expression guaranteed by the constitution.

That being said, just as free speech has social consequences for when unpopular opinions are raised, free expression in the form of taking nudes can backfire and be used against you.

The chances of you becoming a victim of revenge porn are slashed substantially if you don't take nudes of yourself. If you take nudes of yourself then fine, just be ready to deal with the realistic possibility that you placed your trust in a bad person.

[–]FCDRandy 0ポイント1ポイント  (34子コメント)

Sounds familiar.

The chances of you becoming a victim of rape are slashed substantially if you don't dress like that. If you take dress like that then fine, just be ready to deal with the realistic possibility that you placed your trust in a bad person.

The chances of you becoming a victim of getting shot are slashed substantially if you don't keep a gun in your house. If you keep a gun in your house, just be ready to deal with the realistic possibility that you placed your trust in a bad person.

The chances of you becoming a victim of bank robbery are slashed substantially if you don't keep your money in a bank. If you keep your money in a bank then fine, just be ready to deal with the realistic possibility that you placed your trust in a bad bank.

[–]Vladimir_Poonani 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't get what the point of your comment is, are you saying that we shouldn't do things to prevent crime happening to us? Your odds of being robbed at an ATM are substantially increased if you use ATM's, but you can still be smart about it.

Using an ATM in a dark alleyway at 3 am outside of a bar? Bad idea. Using an ATM in a public setting at 4pm? Good idea.

Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's smart.

[–]brennnan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point is the way we frame this discussion puts the fault above all on the victim, not the perpetrator. If you called the police and instead of sending out a cop they told you not to use that ATM at night and then hung up, that would be wrong.

[–]YellowFellow95 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Exactly. Maybe taking nudes is a bad idea. But if you do take them, I don't think you should then have to worry that some bitter ex is going to try and ruin your life with them.

[–]illusorycrab 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a perfect world, nobody should have to worry about that.

Nobody should have to worry about being attacked when walking home alone at night.

Nobody should have to worry about locking their car door, because nobody should be out there robbing cars.

"Should" is just a wish. Act in accordance to reality as it is, not how you want it to be.

[–]FCDRandy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know this seems like the one case where it's 100% justified to blame the victim for the aggressive action of another person, because I sure like looking at tits! /s

[–]azz808 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

you do know that if your bank gets robbed, it doesn't reflect on your statement?

Or is that a new thing now?

  • Monthly account fees - $2.60
  • ATM withdrawals - 8 @ $0.50 = $4.00
  • 3 successful holdups - divided by account holders = $21.47

[–]frrunkis 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course the terrible and unfair argument gets upvoted. You can apply what you just did to anything you want.

[–]TreePlusTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

More complex issue than that. You have to ask what is actually happening. Is sharing in person illegal or only digitally? If it's posted without naming the subject, how can the subject claim ownership? Based on likeness? What about the recent phone hacks? If a male's phone is hacked, and picture of former lovers are taken and reused, how can the man prove he is not responsible?

It's ultimately a law that cannot be upheld with respect to justice. Be wary of any lawmaker taking the cause, it is definitely a cry for votes.

[–]The_Adventurist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes he gets it really wrong, like his segment about the wage gap where he took clips of people explaining how it's a myth and doesn't really exist in the United States with like for like work and then made similar sarcastic strawman arguments over them, not addressing the things they actually said.

Like someone was explaining that the perceived wage gap only exists because women tend to choose different professions than men and John Oliver's response was something like, "oh, so you're saying it's their fault?"

[–]Hezza8 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel as though this (video) is a great example of people discussing topics which they have absolutely no knowledge on

[–]Bardfinn9 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

According to John Oliver only women are under threat from internet harassment

Strawman in one.

[–]AmishDragonSlayer -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

He literally didn't mention male victims of the practice the entire time and effectively genderized the segment.

Guess what? Men are victims too. Sorry of that triggers you.

[–]GaboKopiBrown 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not mentioning something means you don't believe they exist.

You didn't mention the sun in your comments, so I assume you don't believe it exists.

[–]OLookItsThatGuyAgain 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Sun wasn't relevant to the topic. If they were talking about all known stars in the Universe and left the Sun out, it would be a valid point to mention.

[–]iSunMonkey 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Was that Colin Hanks at the end???

[–]K-putt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it was. Still not sure.

[–]PM_ME_YOURBROKENHART 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

Saarkesian? Really?

John I'm disappoint.

[–]TeeFoles 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

may not agree with her on some stuff however she %100 doesn't deserve death threats or to feel unsafe in public

[–]BubiBalboa 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Absolutely true, but she doesn't deserve attention either. At least in my opinion.

[–]TeeFoles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

not disagreeing with you there hahaha

[–]TreePlusTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well tell her to stop sending them to herself :)

[–]calexil 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

you lost me at sarkisian

[–]DaElfonzo 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

Welp, I await a tamed discussion about the delicate subject that is online harassment.

[–]GrammatonYHWH 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

The thing is - the whole herpty derpty should we or should we not police the Internet discussion is 100% irrelevant.

Here's an old may-may the youngins might not be familiar with.

The fact of the matter is we CAN'T police the Internet for harassment. That's why it's such a popular medium for it.

Not unless we ban encryption and proxies. And if we do that, we lose every single institution of privacy. It's a Catch 22. We either surrender all notion of privacy or we let online harassment continue unimpeded.

If we pass laws, we'll catch the dumb criminals who use their facebook account to carry out death threats and such online and who probably weren't really serious about acting out on any of these threats, but the smart psychopaths who are capable of doing these things will keep running about.

[–]DefMike12 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like this show, but they are really quick to talk about problems without giving a solution. Even a silly/funny solution is better than nothing. See: Jeff the Diseased Lung

[–]W92Baj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's their job to point out the issues.
It is not their job to provide solutions.

[–]Kissmyasthma100 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. It's easy to point out, anyone can do that.

[–]uw_NB 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

definitely one of his weaker piece out there. The reality of the matter is a lot more complex and layered than what he was trying to pictured. In fact, not only he failed to described the full problem, he also failed to provision a solution to such. Its actually next to impossible to construct laws related to the internet information sharing without having it to be abused for copyright claims trolls and violate freedom of speech.

[–]yinzertrash 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

John Oliver dropped the ball on this one.

[–]kumileuka 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Online harassment = Twitter ..... delete twitter = no harassment

[–]Bannakaffalatta1 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

But they shouldn't have to do that in the first place. And if someone is posting threats to you via Twitter and you leave Twitter they'll just post them to you elsewhere.

[–]TreePlusTree 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The government does not have to make twitter a safe space. Giving the government the power to remodel popular websites as it sees fit seems like a very dumb thing to do. Why do you guys suddenly trust the living shit out of government the moment a woman is in distress?

[–]illusorycrab 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another crazy idea... maybe people could grow a backbone? It'd be interesting to hear the worst things guys have had said about them online, because I have a feeling that a major aspect of this is that too many women simply get too offended by something everyone experiences.

Obviously that doesn't apply to clear and viable threats, but insults and harassment are a simple fact of life on the internet.

[–]stillclub 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't wanna get robbed don't own anything

[–]jaebullikes pizza 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Listen to what you're saying. That's like saying closing your eyes will make all the problems disappear.

[–]Kazthulu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah... That is something I didn't understand. It is true that a lot of jobs require the internet in some way, but no job requires having a personal and public Twitter account.

[–]LegoMyGrego 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

John can talk about the internet being real life all he wants but the fact is a lot of people do not look at it that way, including me. And the majority of those people have been using the internet for a very long time.

People who do not see it as real life do enjoy the sort of hyper cynicism and just all around silly dickish behaviour that you can find in varying intensities on certain forums, reddit included. It's based off a major sense of anonymity which protects the user from most harassment that could affect them offline and has grown into a sort of cultural thing that is attached to parts of the internet.

Then you have the people that take the internet as real life. They take these threats at face value and are genuinely offended by the stuff that is thrown at them or even afraid for their well being. These are people that I believe join the internet at a later stage that look at it as a new extension of their own life, real name and everything attached. If they get harassed it will be much more effective and probably cause some issues in their personal life.

I don't really care if you fall in with one group or the other, but this is the divide that causes this issue people need to understand. You do not see people that champion anonymity also talking about how things need to change to protect those being harassed by taking that away.

Alot of people want the internet to stay the way it has always been, I am one of those people. And while I admit that some of the things those women went through are terrible, there are ways to protect yourself and I'd rather these women learn how to do those things (don't use twitter) then have some government start taking away anonymity from the internet.

Edit: Forgot to mention the revenge porn issue, I am 100% for those women to have the ability to get those things taken down. That being said the best way to keep that shit off the internet is to not give it to others in the first place or to exclude your face. I know John said it was a poor excuse but he did not make a valid point against it, just a bad joke.

Protect yourself. Period.

[–]turkeypedal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't make a valid point against it because he doesn't have to. No straight male (or gay woman) wants to not be able to get nude pics from his girlfriend.

And, unless you have no real life friends, you do actually interact with the Internet as part of your real life. Just because there are some sites out there that are anonymous--and thus all threats are not credible--doesn't mean you don't also interact as your real life self.

Now consider those who are public figures. They interact with the Internet in their real life even more. What you are basically saying is that they should not do this. Stay away from Twitter, you say, implying every other forum like your own website or Facebook or other such stuff. Do you not realize how ridiculous that is?

And that's just people outside. What about those people who are famous because they make their living online? The people who, say, put up Internet videos. Should no one ever show their face and make popular videos? Because that's enough to track people down with the power of the Internet--hence why most content producers don't even try.

And that's all it takes. If you know who the person is, those threats are real life, because you could actually carry them out in real life.

The Internet has always been real life. It has it's other parts, too, but real life has always been a part of it.

[–]Kissmyasthma100 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

We had two women that were harassed but we do not know what happened (harassment happens all the time on the internet, just go play CoD for example - not saying it should be perpetuated but it's a fact). Then we hear him say that if you have a white dick you're protected from harassment. Then he changes subject slightly to point out not the internet behavior but that the Internet is missing federal regulations (although it seems one, it actually is two separate topics. Internet is recent and should have laws being discussed). Then he says reddit ban hateful porn subreddits. Then he finishes with a clip of a guy saying he would do said things on the real world, not assuming that people actually don't need internet for harassment or abuse if they want to.

[–]BtothejizA 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Including Wu and Anita instantly made this more divisive than it needed to be.

Cut those two out and put in 30 seconds on swatting and everyone would have agreed on everything.

[–]Ozqo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apart from the whole thing about white men not being victims of harassment, yeah.

[–]Erethas 3ポイント4ポイント  (55子コメント)

Who wants to bet on which subreddits are going to feel "offended" by this video?

[–]L2CF 7ポイント8ポイント  (43子コメント)

This one.

/r/videos is one of the places that hates feminism and feminism related topics like this one the most.

[–]lukeyflukey 35ポイント36ポイント  (40子コメント)

Anita Sarkeesian is a bad representation of feminism. Helping women in 3rd world countries? Nah. Trying to understand body issues of young women? Nah. Removing archaic gender structures such as male priests? Nah. Violence in the new DOOM game? THIS IS THE PROBLEM CAUSING EVERYTHING! She's the new Jack Thompson, which I suppose in a way is a good thing cause now women can look just as stupid as men do when criticising video games.

[–]MonsterTruckButtFuck 13ポイント14ポイント  (20子コメント)

Violence in the new DOOM game? THIS IS THE PROBLEM CAUSING EVERYTHING!

Now send me $150,000!

[–]cluelessperson 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Helping women in 3rd world countries? Nah. Trying to understand body issues of young women? Nah. Removing archaic gender structures such as male priests? Nah.

People aren't obligated to devote all their efforts to absolutely every problem in the world. Besides, she talks extensively about how representations of women in video games help create body issues. You don't have to agree with her analysis, but she absolutely does talk about it.

[–]Hezza8 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Besides, she talks extensively about how representations of women in video games help create body issues

It's a valuable pursuit but she does it terribly. She criticises absolutely everything and often does so in a way which is extremely dubious.

In her Hitman video for example; where she talks about the game "rewarding" the player for killing women whilst playing footage which explicitly displays points(?) being lost due to attacking non-hostile targets. It's a joke when you start to pull contrived conclusions and conjecture out of nowhere just so it suits your narrative.

She as an "activist" also has some fairly patronising and borderline ridiculous principles. She faulted the Fallout 4 crafting system because there were too many weapons and "violence is baad mk". I'm not going to pull the "Anita doesn't play video games" card because that's already become pretty tired, but when you talk about combat-centric RPGs having too many weapons, people will start to question your credibility as a journalist. There's also all that DOOM business, it's almost comedic the level of arrogance these people have. Policing other people's opinions and thoughts is not a productive way to be a "critic"

[–]Dabee625 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Regardless of your opinion of Anita Sarkeesian, threats of disembowelment are not okay. While I don't think she's totally without merit, I agree that she needs to be challenged on some bullshit she's said, and it's the fact that she gets death threats from those morons that prevents those legitimate challenges from being recognized.

[–]throwawayaccounty999 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are we talking about her? All the mentions of her name here has probably made her like $150.

If you want her to go away, pretend she doesn't exist. Don't get angry when people bring her up, just calmly dismiss her as a con-artist and change the subject.

[–]lunishidd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most people do not like feminism not just this subreddit

[–]Lippuringo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit don't like bad people and fanatics. It's not feminism's fault that some of the represntative of it is bad people or fanatics.

[–]Grackalackin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

tfw John Oliver memes you

[–]DaElfonzo -2ポイント-1ポイント  (31子コメント)

You guys come here saying "everyone gets harassed so it's fine". You're missing the point, he used them as examples because despite what you guys want to believe, those women DO get harassed. It's not limited to them but they're the most widely known examples of online harassment. It shouldn't be happening at all and that's what John is getting at. I understand that we all want a free Internet, but if we don't crack down on the very small minority of harassers, whether it's to Wu or anyone else. Then the freedom of the Internet will be at risk.

[–]AmishDragonSlayer 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

"everyone gets harassed so it's fine"

Who said that?

[–]MenorahtehExplorer 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

The straw man over there

[–]Kissmyasthma100 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

He assumed something so he can validate his argument. The complaints are about the restricted type of victims that were portrait in the video. We all were harassed in the internet in one point at some level.

[–]youareaspastic 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

The now-deleted top comment of this thread?

[–]Dynamiklol 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well how the fuck are we supposed to know that if it's deleted?

[–]ChrisBartWilliams -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, what the OP should have done is use his time machine to guess that the comment would get deleted and quote it for you. What a dunce.

[–]youareaspastic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You could have also used your fucking eyes to look at the multiple other comments in this thread saying the exact same thing.

[–]fourdahg 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

Why will the freedom of the internet be at risk if we don't crack down?

[–]MaximumDrunk 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

How is the Internet free for everyone if people are being harassed to the point of having to walk away? Why isn't their voice important?

[–]Arathian 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

To what extend is harassment harassment though? Who defines harassment?

Sarkeesian has received genuine harassment but also a bulk of the "harassment" she claims to have received is people disagreeing with her.

If you had a magic wand that would impartially and truthfully determine harassment every time I wouldn't be opposed to that but it's simply not clear cut.

I am just iffy on letting people police the internet on stuff besides clear cut shit like revenge porn or death threats.

[–]None-Of-You-Are-Real 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

She also clearly isn't particularly scared by it because if she was she wouldn't be antagonizing and baiting her "harassers" on a daily basis. She has a vested interest in telling everyone who will listen that she's such a helpless victim -- the more people perceive as such, the more likely they'll be to give her money.

[–]Ozqo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is the Internet free for everyone if people are being harassed to the point of having to walk away?

Because the government isn't preventing them from speaking. That's why it's free speech.

If you decide that being harassed isn't worth speaking openly on the internet, that's your decision. No one forced you offline. Denying someone's free speech on the internet would be more like cutting their internet cables so that they couldn't connect.

[–]coporate 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

No one is saying it's fine.

The title was online harassment, yet only women get focused on, they're the ones that get harassed, why are they seen as a special interest, when harassment involves anyone and everyone. How many kids have killed them selves from online bullying, let me guess, NONE were boys right? Women have never posted revenge porn of men? girls never bully other girls online in social media, they don't bully boys, and men have never received any sort of threats online.

Fuck it, lets just look at that last skit, why the fuck would a closeted gay man give any shits about women on the internet? It doesn't even make sense, he's gay, what does he care. Not only that, gay men get harassed too, be out and proud on twitter, expect some fucked up shit in your inbox (from women too btw). How about that don't take nudes thing? Why not say "dont want to be addicted to meth, dont do meth". An argument that absurd, it feels like pandering and thats it.

I not sayin "it's fine" I'm speaking up for myself as a gay man who gets shit on like everyone else, and I want a fucking voice too. But noooooooo, here comes some lying pop feminists to hog all the spot light and attention, who make up threatening tweets and comments themselves against themselves, and get the sympathy of the media. Why? because they're women, that's not equality, that's everything that feminism should be against.

[–]Kissmyasthma100 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So Oliver shouldn't just stick to the abuse of women and saying white dicks are protected. He had sixteen minutes, could have done a lot more.

[–]The_Adventurist 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then the freedom of the Internet will be at risk.

How though? It will be exactly as free as it is now if you don't do anything and if you do turn to the law to regulate what can and can't be said on the internet you open the door for what could be nightmarish abuse. There are already people in jail for posting political dissent in more tyrannical countries, I don't want to lay the groundwork for that kind of abuse here should our political climate shift.

Additionally, yes, women get harassed... but so do men. The best reaction is no reaction because a reaction is what harassers are looking for. Unfortunately the people John Oliver profiled as being examples of this harassment are TERRIBLE EXAMPLES because they make their living off donations given by people who are sympathetic to their harassment.

At the end of the day, if it's just words we're talking about (saving revenge porn as another issue), you don't even need to turn off your computer to avoid them if you can't handle them. You just don't need to engage them and that's it, harassment avoided. We've all been harassed and it's common sense to ignore it and it will go away. It's called "trolling" because it's fishing for reactions, no reaction = no incentive for the troll to try again.

I don't think there's any good that can come from calls to police attitudes and words on the internet.

[–]Fidget08 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just don't be a shitty human. Moral of the story. Knock it the fuck off assholes.

[–]jaebullikes pizza -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kudos to John and LWT staff.

[–]Craftjunkie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well shit, I mean I respect what the team at Last Week Tonight wanted to do, from an outsider view this is horrific. But, when you read onto some of the things like the threats to Anita and Wu, the threats were full of shit. But, this misinformation doesn't throw the value of the video out of the window, since this isn't a black and white world. John Oliver and his team did do a good job in the latter portion of the video with the revenge porn section, which is a shit situation. However, this video had a limited view again, by focusing on the female only side of this, when this shit is equally as shitty for guys as it is for girls. But, for what it's worth, it's not a bad video. Even John Oliver can fuck up every once in a while, we are all human.

[–]peep295 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oooooo boy. Let's see how reddit handles the inner conflict of loving John Oliver and the flamewar topic of gamergate and sexism on the internet.

I'm predicted over 3000 incoherent comments and at least one total bigot being showered in gold for a poorly cited twelve paragraph rant.

(Prove me wrong, reddit. Please)

[–]illusorycrab 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe you'd be happier on Tumblr instead.

[–]dotmadhack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Revenge porn is bad as is online harassment, but couldn't john have gotten any better example than Anita and Wu whose whole existence is based on baiting people and then turning around to pretend to be a sweet little girl who didn't do nothing wrong?

[–]digbick117 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Cue the incoming shitstorm in the comments section. Any chance that John Oliver is going to address it?

[–]Themegaloft123 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm kinda curious of what's going to happen. One of Reddits most like like people talking about the troubles of one of Reddits most hated people.

[–]YellowFellow95 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah. I kind of looked at it as them trying to say that whether or not you agree with these people, they were threatened and that is an issue (maybe not just the threat alone, but the threat+addresses).

[–]StevetheLeg 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im sad Jack Warner didn't reply

Context

[–]Goatsonice 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think an Online Ethics class ought to be thought to children in school. A nice modern tech based ethics class would solve a whole slew of problems including understanding the internet, respecting it and knowing your limits as a human being.

Yes I agree people should be able to send nudes and use the internet free of horrible people but wishing that won't make them go away and at the end of the day wouldn't you rather bite the bullet of preventative education and action ("victim blaming") vs. reactionary action once your nude is on xhamster?

The likelihood of your nude photo appearing on a porn site goes up exponentially if you send a nude(vs. not and having your webcam hacked), sorry it sucks that that can happen but you are assuming risk unfortunately. A whole lot of people are getting screwed by being ignorant of the internet's power, not only young teens who are new to the internet but middle aged folks who didn't grow up with it.

[–]Lippuringo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The funny thing, most people that scream about harrassment of their person is actually really fucked somwhere on the internet (or real life) with people's work, feelings, opinions or even lifes. Yes, there's sick people who's just fanatics and harass other people in internet and real life without any reason. But that's not the Internet fault, this people existed from the dawn of times.

Overall i could watch this episode to the end, i don't want to support any piece of content that actually gives more publicity to people like Anita.

[–]Dabee625 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Saying "don't take pictures of yourself if you don't want them leaked" isn't victim blaming, it's common sense. If I send someone a picture of my naked groin and they post it online, it's not my fault and whoever leaked it is still a pile of shit, but it wouldn't have happened had I not taken it.

And to act like this could be taken care of if police stopped blaming the victim for taking the pictures is demonstrative of a misunderstanding of how information is spread. Once it's out there, it's out there. If you truly don't want something spread on the internet, don't take that first step. That's not victim blaming.

[–]Herman999999999 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Women are constantly harassed on the internet and in the gaming industry, so of course reddit (especially r/videos, your one way stop to racism and plain bigotry) is going to start drama over their favorite TV show host for calling them out.

[–]Dogfacedgod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I noped the fuck out when Anita's shrill ass made its appearance (and wu too???!? come on). Lost a little respect for ol John for that one.

[–]flfolks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITT: If I don't agree with your opinion then I am going to say you shouldn't say those things if you don't want to be receive death threats.

[–]Trappedinacar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is weird, i'm usually on oliver's side. But this time it felt more like I was watching fox news with a very biased agenda.

"Don't take naked pictures of yourself"'

Is that really such terrible advice? Considering all the horror stories. Yea if it has happened the law should do all it can but it is still the best advice to avoid the situation.

[–]frrunkis 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't want to get robbed, don't buy a house is a bad comparison.

Just saiyan.

[–]Kissmyasthma100 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was a ridiculous comparison and yet, you're being downvoted. Probably has to do with your white penis.

[–]frrunkis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah well, I wasn't expecting to get upvoted for posting something simple and logical.

[–]Mystic-monkey -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love how it's just white males that are the villains of this piece. Yes if you had no troubles on the Internet it must be because you have a white penis. Now I'm against death threats and revenge porn, but don't act like this shot never happened to white males. I had one woman threaten me to cut off my balls and kill my mother for not aborting me. Now my problem is that this shit is only taken seriously when wemon are involved but men in many cases are not. Because they are white and have a penis, if we can acknowledge that it happens to everybody not just women, then we can move forward into fixing this problem.

[–]Kissmyasthma100 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reasonable arguments are getting downvote, where am I?

[–]Mystic-monkey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Internet, reason is the enemy.

[–]Jizzmaster3000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

feels > reals