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[–]respawn_in_5_4_3_2_1 0ポイント1ポイント  (18子コメント)

The allies won and forced the Germans into some humiliating terms mostly due to English and American armies. The French still had a semblance of a resistance yes but nothing to amount to a hill of beans

[–]BreaksFull 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

So what do you call Verdun?

[–]respawn_in_5_4_3_2_1 0ポイント1ポイント  (16子コメント)

A french victory

[–]BreaksFull 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

You call hundreds of thousands of German casualties barely a semblance of resistance?

[–]respawn_in_5_4_3_2_1 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

All I'm saying is if you get invaded and occupied... that's a loss.

[–]BreaksFull 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

So did Russia lose because Germany occupied them temporarily?

[–]respawn_in_5_4_3_2_1 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Germany couldn't completely occupy russia. Mother nature saved them. Don't invade Russia in the winter... just dont.

[–]BreaksFull -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

Germany didn't completely occupy France either. And while the Russian winter certainly put an end to their 1941 advances, the Russians themselves were what kicked the Germans out. By 1943 they had learners their lessons and rebuilt their army. It's also worth noting that Germany invaded in June, not the winter.

[–]respawn_in_5_4_3_2_1 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_France

Yeah France lost. In numbers and in actual history. And yes the Russians did push the Germans out with men but the weather even by both russian and German account was a huge factor in the German withdrawl. And yes they did not start an invasion in the winter. And initially were extrodinary successful in there invasion Untill winter.

[–]BreaksFull 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

That has nothing to do with my point of France's fighting in the First World War, and it doesn't really reflect on France's fighting ability overall. Germany steamrolled everyone, nobody was prepared for Blitzkrieg.

And yes the Russians did push the Germans out with men but the weather even by both russian and German account was a huge factor in the German withdrawl.

It was a significant factor in their advance on Moscow, but the Russians didn't beat them in the winter, they beat them in the summer. Kursk was the defining battle of the Eastern Front and Russia won a decisive victory without any help from General Winter.

And initially were extrodinary successful in there invasion Untill winter.

Anyone would've been extraordinarily successful, Russia's army had recently been purged of most it's most experienced officers and NCO's and much of it's equipment was poorly outdated.