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METARegarding the possibility of KiA being banned. (self.KotakuInAction)

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So, as I'm sure most of us are aware, /r/fatpeoplehate and four other subs were banned for harassment. Of course, we do not endorse the content of those subreddits, but regardless, the current question on everyone's mind is, "Will KiA be next?"

The answer to that is possibly.

The admins state this in their post announcing the ban:

We want to be open about our involvement: We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action. We’re banning behavior, not ideas.

Emphasis mine.

The mod team has been doing what we can to keep within Reddit's guidelines for keeping a sub around. This is part of the reason why we've had Rule 1, to prevent instances of genuine harassment from starting or escalating. Additionally, we implemented Rules 4 and 5 to keep accusations of brigading from being an issue with KiA (didn't really help much the other day though, did it?). Because of our actions, our interactions with the admins in ways of the sub breaking rules has been minimal. We've been messaged about two major issues: the Boycott Goal posts, and the Modtalk Leaks. That's all. If we were doing anything else wrong, we probably would've had a heads-up by now.

However, we've been called a place for "organized harassment" by various publications, and have been for months, now. Despite our efforts to curb abuse, we still have that reputation. Therefore, we do believe it is possible that KiA could be banned as a result.

There is no need to panic. This could just be a result of our own paranoia over issues that hit close to home for a lot of us. Many here think that the admins of Reddit have been targeting us for some time, now. Of course, there's not much proof in the way of that, but it hasn't stopped us from being prepared in case of such an event.

IN THE EVENT OF KIA'S EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN

If KiA gets banned for whatever reason, remember that we have a Voat sub. There is another subverse for GamerGate activity that you'd be welcome at, as well. There's also 8chan, of course, but you won't be as welcome there since cultural clashes and all.

Know your exits, know the contingency plans.

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[–]SigmaTheDJ 138ポイント139ポイント  (18子コメント)

Remember when the previous CEO said this?.....

We will not ban questionable subreddits. You choose what to post. You choose what to read. You choose what kind of subreddit to create and what kind of rules you will enforce. We will try not to interfere - not because we don't care, but because we care that you make your choices between right and wrong.

WTF went wrong?

[–]morzinbo 89ポイント90ポイント  (6子コメント)

Remember when the previous CEO left Reddit because he disagreed with Chairman Pao about the color of the carpet?

[–]mct1The Hitchhiker's Guide to #Gamergate 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

color of the carpet

TRIGGERED.

[–]Cerxi32k get! 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Respond, Stifle

[–]mct1The Hitchhiker's Guide to #Gamergate 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

<GOLFCLAP>

[–]TuesdayRB 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did it not match the drapes or something?

[–]y_nnis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there somewhere I can read about this?

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    [–]EmoBurritoes 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Alright, I'm going to go three quarters RIDF here.

    I disagree with the banning of FPH, but they've done some pretty horrible shit, like the mod endorsed harassment of some autistic girl for being fat whilst sewing a dress. /r/Tranfags was also banned a couple of months ago when some of their mods were going to doxx in the modmail, but I guess they were allowed to have their sub back before being banned again.

    I have no idea why /r/NeoFAG and /r/ShitNiggersSay were banned.

    Hopefully the admins will reallow the subs, but with clearer rules on what constitutes "allowing communities to harass individuals".

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      [–]UberAndrew 171ポイント172ポイント  (29子コメント)

      The next few weeks are going to be interesting.

      Either KiA doesn't get banned, proving it's not a harassment subreddit or it does we'll see the Streisand effect in full force.

      [–]altshiftM 102ポイント103ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Finally, the "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" in our favor.

      [–]kungfukai 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Indeed.

      If KiA gets banned, I'll definitely going to miss it...

      But the ban will send some shockwaves out for damn sure.

      [–]10900209 81ポイント82ポイント  (11子コメント)

      Here's a quote from two hours ago by admin "krispykrackers" which I can't link to and am too lazy to archive:

      When we are using the word "harass", we're not talking about "being annoying" or vote manipulation or anything. We're talking about men and women whose lives are being affected and worry for their safety every day, because people from a certain community on reddit have decided to actually threaten them, online and off, every day. When you've had to talk to as many victims of it as we have, you'd understand that a brigade from one subreddit to another is miles away from the harassment we don't want being generated on our site.

      To my ears, that sounds almost word for word like the language that's been used to target GamerGate. Given that the media narrative that's been spun around GamerGate is that it's all a giant conspiracy to threaten and attack women, I would bet money that this sub is one of those that will be specifically targeted for the next wave of bans. In fact, I think we're one of the primary targets, and the only reason we weren't the first to go was because they thought the agenda would fly better if they banned some really indefensible subs like ShitNiggersSay first.

      [–]sgx191316 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

      We're talking about men and women whose lives are being affected and worry for their safety every day

      Paranoid people worry about their safety all the time. People whose livelihood depends on being seen as victims claim to worry about their safety all the time. Neither of those things have to do with ACTUAL danger. We're essentially on the hook for something we have absolutely no control over, which needn't reflect any actual danger or even any actual fear, and which is purely self-reported by people who hate us.

      Krispykrackers makes me worry about my safety every day. Prove me wrong.

      [–]gztichyDammit reddit, you ruined it :( 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Prove me wrong.

      you're a man

      QED

      [–]TheJewsisLoose 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's hilarious because that in no way actually applies to the people on this sub but at the same time there's no way they're talking about anyone but this sub with that kind of language.

      [–]Inuma 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Nothing can stop the SJW Inquisition!

      [–]kalirion 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      But ... did SNS actually harass anyone outside of the sub?

      I honestly don't know but would like to.

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        [–]descartessss 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Calm down everybody. The ban seems to be triggered by an admins photo posted after a fight over imgur homepage that removed their pics. So this can be against the distribution of personal informations of a private person, very basic Reddit rule. They shot themselves on the foot with their post.

        [–]googlygoink 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        it was a publicly availiable image (and easily findable, this wasn't doxxing) that gave no names or any other details.

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          [–]PonyTheHorse 550ポイント551ポイント  (75子コメント)

          This is the fucking red wedding of subreddits.

          [–]Deefry 374ポイント375ポイント  (16子コメント)

          "Ellen Pao sends her regards."

          [–][削除されました]  (7子コメント)

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            [–]Psemtex21k get 63ポイント64ポイント  (5子コメント)

            Only a mod of a different sub,

            that's all the truth I know.

            [–]TheWastelandWizard 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

            With a Coat of Purple, a Coat of Green, Sockpuppets hide their claws, but mine are covered with Cheetos dust, just like the Tumblr tards.

            [–]Eliryale 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

            And so she spoke, and so she spoke, that Lady of Sealions, But now the gamers weep o'er her hall, with no games to play. Yes now the gamers weep o'er her hall, and not a game to play.

            [–]TheWastelandWizard 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

            And who, are you, you shitlord, you don't kno-oo-oow my pronouns, how dare you, misgender me, the triggering compounds.

            [–]Becquerel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That was pretty embarassing

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                [–]atxyankee02 56ポイント57ポイント  (22子コメント)

                Voat is coming

                [–]robdotavi 34ポイント35ポイント  (21子コメント)

                Even if Reddit loses their user base, I don't think it will be to VOAT. It's poorly designed, has a lack of mobile support, and slow servers will detract from the majority of redditors switching.

                [–]Binturung 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Having had my phone stuck on reddit mobile for a few days, I laugh at the notion of reddit having mobile support. Sucks balls right now.

                [–]Captain_Wonderbread 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Yeah, the mobile version is garbage. I just browse the desktop version on my phone.

                [–]AngryArmour 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Same here. So long as Voat allows for phones to browse the desktop version, it has as much phone support as Reddit.

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                  [–]morzinbo 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Because Reddit was always this way when it was first incepted, right?

                  [–]robdotavi 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Also because a majority of reddit users probably:

                  Don't know what FPH is(was).

                  Don't give two shits as long as they can look at cute animals and funny gifs.

                  [–]TurielD 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  If people look at r/all, they sure know now...

                  [–]kegman83 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The same was said about Digg.

                  [–]Mysteryman64 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  What they should be worried about isn't that they'll lose the bulk of their users. Their worry should be that they'll lose the bulk of their content creators. They have to regularly rotate default subreddits because defaults always go to shit, because of the consumption time/production time of low quality content versus high quality content.

                  Without a strong base of middle-sized subreddits to rotate through, site quality begins to degrade pretty badly over time, and the people making the mid-sized subreddits are the most likely to move over to voat, since they're not as phased by smaller communities, and might actually be attracted to them.

                  [–]qwertygue 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  It's poorly designed, has a lack of mobile support, and slow servers

                  What was the difference?

                  [–]Sirinon/r/redditinaction 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  It is usually faster than reddit, right now it is being hugged to death and the owner is asleep (Sweden) owner of voat has stated they can scale he site very quickly in the event something like this happens.

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                    [–]scorcher24 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Someone take that video and replace heads with subreddit names.

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                      [–]Landeyda 233ポイント234ポイント  (28子コメント)

                      PANIC

                      But seriously, if KIA is banned it will be purely political in nature. This place has done everything possible to remain within the stated Reddit rules, and even obeying some 'unwritten' ones other subreddits don't have to obey.

                      [–]Pancake_Lizard 53ポイント54ポイント  (10子コメント)

                      Admins might try to use the recent /r/planetside drama.

                      [–]Landeyda 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      They could, but it was an image post without any direct links. Also most of the 'brigading' was done by /r/all, along with members of the Planetside community.

                      But, yeah, that could be used as a very weak excuse.

                      [–]ilovecreamsoda 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      i would find that amusing. some of us that fanned those flames are ancient to planetside's community. how can you brigade something you were apart of before reddit ever existed?

                      [–]lordthat100188 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      What was the drama?

                      [–]Uttrik 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Someone posted a picture of their Planetside cosplay. People called him/her a trap (the crossdressing kind). Moderator started banning a bunch of people. One person asked to be unbanned, mod tells him to write a 500 word essay on transproblems. People went nuts and the KiA thread on it got the front page of /r/all.

                      The KiA thread.

                      Some people on /r/planetside are blaming KiA for brigading.

                      [–]Draconilian 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      still are, I just popped in there a few minutes ago and it's currently full of mental gymnastics on how we are all of course, transphobes and misogynists.

                      I've been subbed to Planetside for a long while and saw the whole thing go down. I didn't start voting until I saw the modmails. In which case I will admit. I went through and upvoted all the criticism and downvoted the shitty responses. But that was my right as a user of reddit to express my opinion. Not my action as a brigader.

                      [–]Youareabadperson6 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Planetside player and KiA member here, who could have expected there would be a overlap between fans for a given video game and a movement about expthics in gaming?

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                        [–]13thmeerkat 128ポイント129ポイント  (16子コメント)

                        Just for people who may not know, the unwritten rule KiA is not allowed to post companies public contact information. Gamergate was doing that not for harassment but to let companies know that if they valued our dollars advertising on certain sites was a waste of their money.

                        Reddit admin and founder Alexis Ohanian (kn0thing) about a week later broke that rule, thus confriming it only applied to us.

                        [–]feelixxx 25ポイント26ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        source on that last sentence please, I'm curious

                        [–]Raykyn 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        I'm on mobile so I can't look it up for you, but it was reddit which told redditors to email certain people to fight for net neutrality iirc. So exactly what they told us not to do.

                        [–]life_is_like_a_sewer 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        MFW you imply that the FCC is a company and not a Federal regulatory body.

                        [–]Knorssman 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        in the end what difference does it make if the contact information being posted is from a company or a federal agency?

                        [–]IIHotelYorba 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        You have no face when you learn reddit was originally posting lists of key large businesses that didn't support net neutrality, asking people to contact them, and that this is the hypocrisy that was originally being pointed out.

                        [–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Like it matters.

                        It's still harassment by their bullshit standards.

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                          [–]StrawRedditorMod - @strawtweeter[M] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          , the unwritten rule KiA is not allowed to post companies public contact information

                          Just for some slight clarification.

                          It's not a companies public contact information that we cannot post.

                          It's the public contact information of individuals within that company that we can't post.

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                            [–]Helium_PugilistProbably sarcastic, at least snarky 122ポイント123ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            So again... SRS and SRD....

                            [–]baconatedwaffle 85ポイント86ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            Consistency, like evidence, is a tool of the patriarchy

                            [–]Helium_PugilistProbably sarcastic, at least snarky 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Right. "It's right when WE do it"

                            [–]Proxy_Droid 67ポイント68ポイント  (27子コメント)

                            Here is the thing, I'll use Github as an allegory.

                            Github, beginning with the efforts of a single SJW employee, decided GG was to radical to be there. Now we have GitGud, a GG made repository that doesn't have to adhere to the same rules it was abiding by at Github.

                            Now, just how stupid would you have to be to push perceived idealogical enemies off of your site where you can, to some extent, control them, to a place where that you cant? Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, you know?

                            Banning KiA would be a masterstroke of idiocy.

                            [–]godlikeGadgetry 45ポイント46ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            Github going to the SJW's... Sourceforge service malvertising... Is nothing safe?

                            [–]morzinbo 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Only as safe as a safe space can be.

                            [–]Gamer9103 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Everything dies eventually. No site remains the same forever. You just have to know when to move on.

                            [–]RantD3 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

                            [–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Moved to gitlab and never looked back. Bitbucket is also a viable option.

                            [–]IgnaciaXia 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Banning KiA would be a masterstroke of idiocy.

                            I think you underestimate aGG. (Or is it overestimate?)

                            [–]Annes_Droid 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            im sort of new to Github and only use it for pushing my projects. how does GG even tie into github? is it happening within the "community" of git hub? -- i dont really see how GG has anything to do with a site for open source projects, specifically code related.

                            just askin!

                            [–]oboewan42 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            Basically, someone hosted a repository of GG-related info on github, and it got removed.

                            [–]Annes_Droid 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            ah, gotcha. thats super lame. (though im not sure what the "info" contained, exactly.) but if it wasn't some big docdrop than it seems like GitHub shouldn't be filtering content, if its not illegal

                            [–]grospoliner 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            That is the very heart of this corruption.

                            [–]ColePram 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            It was where operation disrespectful nod was originally hosted. What's interesting, for me, is my organization, massive org, switched the GitLab, which GitGrud is based from, after the GG repo was removed.

                            I'm currently in the process of migrating some 30 projects.

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                              [–]depressionquest_gotw 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

                              Take this with a grain of salt since I'm posting as anonymously as I can...:

                              I ended up in a position where I hold a very large sway over a large/rich company's next source control tooling. Github Enterprise was on the table, but I nixed it in favor of Gitlab/Others just because of the bullshit they pulled with the GG repository. There is always a chance we would have not gone with it even if it was on the table, but it removed the chance of giving them $100k+ and a multi year support contract.

                              [–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

                              GitLab censored GG stuff, too, later. But GitHub was first.

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                                [–]kathartik 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Banning KiA would be a masterstroke of idiocy.

                                agreed. one of the reason it's here is because they know it's somewhat of a containment sub.

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                                  [–]lemonitis2 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Even if they don't come for KiA, this is still completely fucked.

                                  So many people have made it their mission in life to stamp out any speech they don't like, and they get applauded for it because they're keeping us all safe. I really, really hate this planet. I'm not even angry, it's just depressing to see this shit going on everywhere.

                                  [–]grospoliner 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  It's pretty sad that they can't see that they've become the very thing they claim to hate.

                                  [–]Aldershot8800 161ポイント162ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                  For those unfamiliar with GamerGate or who might be aGG reading this, I want to point out, the KiA community is concerned about being banned, not because it endorses harassment, but because GG have been discriminated and slandered against, LABELED as harassment with out substantial evidence to support it (because the allegations are false)

                                  Nerd Cubed recently graphed the topics discussed on KotakuInAction which CLEARLY show there is no harassment ever discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPLEf5z-g4

                                  [–]baconatedwaffle 58ポイント59ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                  If KiA gets zapped, then it is proof positive that the censors believe that talking about a public figure is tantamount to harassing that public figure.

                                  [–]Aldershot8800 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  which would be a huge step backwards, especially considering Reddit's original Mission Statement

                                  [–]baconatedwaffle 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  An inconsistency like that would only bother honest and honorable people.

                                  [–]KosherDensity 36ポイント37ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  You know who it wouldn't bother?

                                  The kind of person who would file away notebook after notebook filled with greivances and imagined slights by their co-workers. The same kind of person who would do anything and everything to harass women in the workplace and under their control while at the same time accusing their employer of the same thing. The kind of person who lie, cheat and steal while projecting on to others the same behavior. The same kind of person who would be married to a lawyer who specializes in harassing lawsuits against corproations. Te same kind of person who would use their position of power and wealth to curb free speech and expression all under the disguise of providing safety.

                                  The era of Chairowman Pao begins.

                                  [–]BlutargA riot of fabulousness! 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  "notebook after notebook filled with greivances"

                                  The killer in "Se7en" was based upon Chairwoman Pao?

                                  [–]KosherDensity 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  She kept files on everyone she had interactions with, especially if they were disagreements. Right on down to "microaggressions".

                                  Her discrimination case was the most 100% contrived cash grab bullshit seen in a long time.

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                                    [–]kathartik 51ポイント52ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    or who might be aGG reading this

                                    let's be honest. they're so unhealthily obsessed with us, they're all reading it. it's sad.

                                    [–]boommicfucker 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                    It's true. HI GHAZI! HI! I LOVE YOU!

                                    [–]RavenscroftRaven 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Alt numpad 3.

                                    We ♥ y'all out there! ♥♥♥♥ you all!

                                    [–]boommicfucker 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Check your Windows privilege, shitl♥rd.

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                                      [–]Aldershot8800 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I can't say you're right without evidence, but I can say I suspect you're right. It's this suspicion that I dicided to make my post.

                                      [–]bluelandwail 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Tfw we get from attention from pink haired she twinks than goony beard men do.

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                                          [–]Deefry 158ポイント159ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                          I can see this whole situation being basically a "first they came for _, but I did not speak up because I was not _."

                                          [–]RJPennyweather 75ポイント76ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          It will be fun to come here in 2 years and see how the SJW's have cannibalized themselves in order to satiate their outrage addiction though.

                                          [–]cha0stat tvam asi 62ポイント63ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Check out Atheism+ forums for a taste.

                                          [–]CavernousJohnson 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          But everyone is _. Dear god, they're coming for us all!

                                          [–]cloudduel_13 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It is exactly that. I don't have to like fph but I will defend it.

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                                            [–]deanykg 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Banning this sub would be the greatest thing to happen to us since that time we adopted the sea lion. I think we'll be okay.

                                            [–]BlazesparkMore like Kotaku Inaction now 53ポイント54ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                            PUSH FOR https://voat.co IF KiA IS BANNED.

                                            If Voat can get big, then Reddit could become the new Digg. Hopefully, it won't come to that, but if it does, organize here.

                                            [–]jonnywoh 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Don't wait, push for it now. We already don't like the direction reddit is going, and I don't imagine Ellen Pao is going to magically disappear. I want to start thinking now about writing tools and whatnot to make it easier for whole subs to migrate. Unfortunately, voat's API is in a by-request beta last I checked.

                                            [–]boxsniffer 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            I agree. I don't see why KIA isn't going to be proactive instead of reactionary.

                                            [–]bluelandwail 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            Hopefully, it won't come

                                            Speak for yourself. I'm already thinking of clever names to smugly dismiss voat users as an 8chan user.

                                            [–]TreeWithInfiniteCats 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Agreed. everyone here is acting like a jew in 1939. "Oh shit, they'e started banning unsensitive speech, we might be next, but let's wait it out!"

                                            No, we need to move. Your and my visit right now is giving Reddit traffic. Nothing today was as frustrating as a highly upvoted post with "why isn't SRS banned?" gilded eight times, giving Mpao money to show disagreement.

                                            This will be my last post. I'll be on Voat. If you love gaming and free speech, you'll do the same.

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                                              [–]ShadistsReddit 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              And do remember that your seat cushion can be used as a floatation device.

                                              [–]nodeworx 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                              voat.com >> Service Temporarily Unavailable

                                              I wonder if they have the capacity to deal with a big influx of redditors...

                                              [–]princetrunks 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                              Same was asked about Reddit when Reddit was the same as Voat and getting in people from Digg's community falling apart. Hell, Reddit would probably not even exist (or at least never got as big as it did) had Digg stayed the way they were without crapping on their community.

                                              What a difference 7+ years make.

                                              [–]nodeworx 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              I remember moving from Digg to reddit. User content based ecosystems are delicate, fuck around with it too much and you'll have an exodus on your hands. Happened before, will happen again.

                                              [–]princetrunks 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              Yep, I was a regular on Digg before Reddit. Being that Reddit did manage to get larger than Digg ever was it will still take more time but I remember still being on Digg and watching the ghost town the comments became as everyone moved to Reddit.

                                              Now's a great time for a forum/post site to come out and open the doors for the influx of people; given that they have modern site features, old forum openness and of course drop the SJW narrative (but still give a place for anyone on any side). There's Voat and 8chan but I think the door is open for other sites to catch what for Reddit will be a downward spiral.

                                              Hell, big sites like YouTube recently crapping on animators for example is bringing some new life back to Newgrounds.com of all places.

                                              No matter how big a site gets, as you said, the user content based ecosystem can be delicate if messed with. Take it from somebody who started a site in 2002 that could have been so much bigger had I followed through...hubris in those who mod/admin these sites is a cancer and could turn a once good thing into a pile of crap. We've seen it from Digg, Kotaku, Neogaf, imgur, various subreddits, theGuardian, 4chan and others and will probably see more. They need not forget who are the site's traffic & lifeblood.

                                              [–]lexious 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              What a difference 7+ years make.

                                              I still get Reddit is overloaded errors every single day, so not that much of a difference I guess?

                                              [–]BrittlethreadConfirmed Illuminati 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              Yeah, I'm getting massive slowdowns. It'll be probably a good idea to think of a Plan C.

                                              [–]nodeworx 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              It might be an idea to keep all relevant updates available on irc as well.

                                              [–]altshiftM 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I'd give it a bit to let the initial surge settle.

                                              [–]evilnight 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Sorta. Atko is running everything in one little VM instance right now, but it's cluster-ready. All he needs to do is spin up some more instances to handle the new load. I'm sure he's noticed the traffic spike, the traffic and bandwidth use there has been going up by 400% from month to month so this isn't unexpected. He'll need to call his cloud provider and shell out some cash for the upgrade. By tomorrow I expect it'll be fine again. I suspect performance tuning is about to take a front seat on his agenda.

                                              [–]cakesphere 56ポイント57ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                              Strike us down, and we will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

                                              [–]PaperLuigi3 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Vader's theme intensifies

                                              Pao bans it for being triggering.

                                              [–]BlutargA riot of fabulousness! 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Kiss my black ass!

                                              Richard Pryor

                                              [–]sean_seany 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.

                                              Niccolo Machiavelli

                                              [–]Draconilian 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              There's nothing severe enough to stop us barring personally murdering every single person in favor of Freeze Peach, which I doubt is within their power (thank god)

                                              [–]azriel777 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Also, cut one head down...

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                                                [–]godlikeGadgetry 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Looks like we must rock the voat if we want to survive.

                                                [–]subtleshill 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                One only needs to go to /subredditdrama to see how the vast majority of users there not only wish for the banning of KiA but completely buy into the narrative of this being a "neo-nazi, hateful, sexist, racist bigoted" sub. The reason i bring SRD up is because they have a lot of influence(possibly more then any other sub on reddit), and their minds are quite set on many issues. As of the banning of /r/fatpeoplehate SRD has now 15000 active users there, receiving one side of the narrative.

                                                [–]AmazingAutoModerator 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I can't say I agree with gamergate, but it was always nice seeing someone stand up to the bullshit in the entertainment industry. Godspeed to you all.

                                                [–]TheExaltedFox 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Since this sub's creation, I haven't posted here, for some kind of bizarre fear that my post history would get stalked and I would be some kind of Reddit pariah for the mere fact of browsing a sub. I've followed all of the news, though. I would like to identify myself here as one of the silent supporters of gamergate in anticipation that fairly soon, my Reddit account won't matter, because I (and most everyone else I would care to interact with here) will have abandoned the site. I've already had reactionary_bot called on me in the tf2 sub for an unrelated issue, and I'm just about done with hiding from people on this stupid fucking site.

                                                Keep digging, keep finding somewhere to go, and I'll keep following. I know there are plenty of people that will do the same.

                                                [–]SuperPizzaGame 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Agreed, I've also been rather intimidated, but fuck it. KiA isn't long for this world anyway.

                                                [–]feared_rear_admiral 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                Anyone notice the traffic at KiA just now? About 500 people just signed up and over 8 thousand are active. Interesting considering no one actually mentioned it in the announcement thread.

                                                [–]sudo-intellectual 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                To be honest, I welcome reddit's self induced implosion.

                                                Reddit is not special. It is a message board. It is little evolved from the USENET in all honesty. Sure, it's more interactive, etc. but this software technology we're using here isn't exactly mind-blowing. It's not particularly advanced, it could be done better. Maybe now is a good time for someone to do it better? Reddit could disappear like a fart in the breeze.

                                                [–]birdboy2000 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                We really should go back to Usenet. Usenet didn't have powermods.

                                                [–]manami333Founder of /r/TwoXGaming 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Rant: time and time again, KiA strongly discouraged brigading and harassment. GG has helped with charities and some of its most vocal supporters are those who fall under NotYourShield. After raising money for a disabled mother, encouraging women in the tag without making their gender as a token, helping raise money for a gang rape victim, & forming friendships with one another, how the fuck does one go into GG and think "wow, what a bunch of harassers. They hate women!!!"

                                                Every single time the conversation turns to ethics, a random nobody comes in and seeks to cash in on the easy PR GG comes with as a result of the "won't somebody think of the women and children!!!" paranoia of media.

                                                If KiA mods double down on modding these next few days, making sure the basic rules are being followed while being fair, I think KiA will be just fine. AND if KiA gets banned anyway, think about the media firestorm. SJW news outlet will try to celebrate but the gg tag will go nuts. More people will see, more people will support us.

                                                [–]vaoe 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                The people opposing #GG are constantly playing dumb and misrepresenting everything we say on purpose. I'm sure they'll find a way to rationalize banning us.

                                                [–]kiwikku 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                It's OK. KiA always survives.

                                                This time, i'm not going to freak out. I also want to say Gamergate.community is still open too.

                                                [–]AthasDuneWalker 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                If we get banned, that's the end of GamerGate containment on Reddit. Go sleeper and silently spread our message about ethical concerns.

                                                [–]gameragodzilla 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Anyone remember this? http://i.imgur.com/VumL9nK.png

                                                Nuking KiA will be like that, times 10.

                                                [–]NoBullet 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                They didn't even reveal the other 4 sub's they banned. They're afraid of something I'm sure.

                                                [–]StrawRedditorMod - @strawtweeter 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                /r/neofag was one of them

                                                [–]AntonioOfVeniceKarma King of late April 2015 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                According to SRD:

                                                r/hamplanethatred (3071 subscribers), r/transfags (149), r/neofag (1239) and r/shitniggerssay(219)

                                                [–]jonnywoh 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                An admin posted them in a comment (which was of course downvoted enough to not be visible).

                                                [–]staomeel 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                gentlemen it has been a privilege playing with you tonight

                                                [–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015 64ポイント65ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Hi, Ghazians here from [to be determined gazelle] ArtRoss's comment.

                                                Do remember your subreddit's supposed stance on brigading, and how you all had a nice sticky last year telling you to not do so.

                                                kthnxbi ♥

                                                Edit: 10 hours later: Called it.

                                                ATT: 1,071 points (90% upvoted) 1,339 votes

                                                [–]-moose- 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoLywiaM6PA&t=1m11s

                                                [–]KafkasWonderfulLife 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                PSA: If you do head over to voat.co, remember to disable adblock for the site (at least for now.)

                                                Voat is going to need some ad revenue to pay for servers, and its not white-listed by default.

                                                (and I'm unconnected to voat, not shilling for clicks)

                                                [–]WitherSnow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Turn off that pesky addblock (mundanematt.)

                                                [–]dumdum1000 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                This is no longer just about ethics in games. This is straight up a war on free speech. This is...it's just...sad.

                                                [–]BasediCloud 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                The mod team has been doing what we can to keep within Reddit's guidelines for keeping a sub around.

                                                And as we all know. It will never be enough for SJWs.

                                                [–]AntonioOfVeniceKarma King of late April 2015 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                What counts as 'harassment'? These faggot admins haven't even defined what brigading means, so why would we think that they are going to use any consistent definition for 'harassment'?

                                                They won't. They'll use it to ban subreddits they don't like.

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                                                  [–]GG_MeowIt's about meowthics 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Well, think of harassment how SJW's think of it; calling them out on their fucking mental rants about the patriarchy and the undercurrent of racism, that seems to pass any kind of standard definition of racism. Everyone else's idea of harassment is a sustained campaign of contacting people when it is not wanted, telling them to kill themselves and other things of that nature. The redefining of words by SJW's sickens me to no end.

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                                                    [–]mrplow8 9ポイント10ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                    Personally, I think we should just look for a new site to use. I think it's only a matter of time before they find some excuse to ban KIA no matter what we do. I recommend moving to a Google+ group, since most people already have a G+ account anyway because it's the same as your YouTube account.

                                                    [–]HeadHoffer 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    I don't really like the idea of a common Google+ group because it takes away too much of our anonymity, which happens to be one of our greatest assets against the SJWs.

                                                    I guess I'll be creating a new account for voat when the site comes back up then. Let miss Pao nuke this place for all I care, it won't stop us, it'll actually give us more freedom from the corrupt admins.

                                                    [–]TheHat2[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                    We're up for suggestions.

                                                    [–]sean_seany 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                    Set up a board on 8chan, quick and easy escape route.

                                                    [–]kiwikku 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Google+ group is a good idea, but like last time i'll suggest gamergate.community.

                                                    I also don't think Gamergate will be banned here, this is a containment sub after all. So I won't worry like last time.

                                                    [–]mrplow8 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Like I said, a Google+ group would be my suggestion. Most people already have G+ accounts, so it'd make the transition easier than if we pick a site where everyone has to make a new account.

                                                    [–]kiwikku 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Google plus is nice, they would get ultra-salty if we went there.

                                                    [–]Frank_Castle1980 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    would a php mybb forum suffice?

                                                    [–]HexezWork 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    We are near 5,000 people viewing this subreddit with the new reddit announcement when we only have 37k subscribers.

                                                    Banning KiA would be the best thing ever I really hope they do.

                                                    [–]cfl1[🍰] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I hope voat admins have their hosting issues sorted out by then... today's massive slowdown wasn't a good first impression on a lot of people.

                                                    [–]Vulturas 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    If KiA gets banned, it will be like a poppy flower.

                                                    Once you break the pod, good luck trying to catch all the fucking seeds \_O.o_/

                                                    [–]princess_y_fronts 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    If KIA gets banned you know what we'll do ? Keep on fighting for ethics in journalism.

                                                    [–]the_gamer_rises 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    if kia goes down the rats will just disseminate into the rest of reddit and fuck shit up

                                                    [–]_Mellex_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    They just locked the upvote system. Annnnd here. we. go.

                                                    [–]iTrollYhu 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    I don't know if it's paranoia. It's like they don't care about saying there's no freedom. They're outright just doing it when they shadowban people and then other power mods asking for essays and crap. This sub's very likely to get banned since we've a few things that go against the ideas of "no harassment." If we end up banned here, watch subreddits against what we're for remain unbanned.

                                                    [–]motherbrain111 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    There was a super nice youtube video where a guy checked everyday for the top posts on KiA and Ghazi and saw that there was NO HARASSEMENT whatsoever. Cant find the vid on youtube though.

                                                    [–]circlesea7 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Having admins ban KIA would both help and hurt my ability to do this GG documentary. Not sure how I feel about it. I will start being more proactive in communicating with the GG sister sites.

                                                    [–]bonzo1192 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Reddit in Action when?

                                                    [–]RaceBasedIQ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Bring back the boycotts, go down fighting.

                                                    [–]LiveSpartan235 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    If your going to Voat here link to the mobile voat apps.

                                                    Voat mobile apps on android

                                                    Vulcan

                                                    Versa

                                                    [–]azriel777 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Right now Voat is down from reddit refugees flooding it. It is a best backup at the moment.

                                                    [–]Rygar_the_Beast 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    This could just be a result of our own paranoia over issues that hit close to home for a lot of us.

                                                    Yeah, no. Randi is just bitching about being harassed because some dude posted here.

                                                    You all know that they are going to spam reports until some reddit higher up gets tired of dealing with them and just bans us.

                                                    [–]HexezWork 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Banning this sub would be awesome, censorship is our best neutral convertor.

                                                    [–]cantbebothered67835 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Enough of this voat shit. The whole gist behind a gamergate sub on reddit is that here we get a ton of visibility and traffic, precisely because reddit is huge.

                                                    Furthermore, if you guys, the mods, are contemplating watering down KiA to remain in the good graces of the admins, then maybe KiA getting banned is not such a bad idea. The absolute worst thing that can happen to the gamergate community is a slow death brought in by mounting impotence and abiding to our enemies' attempt at restricting us.

                                                    The whole reason this sub has existed for so long was that the admins wanted a place to contain us. They were right to fear the implications of hundreds of thousands of GG supporters running around willy-nilly on reddit, posting our dangerous and incorrect ideas. Weather or not they are planning to ban kia, it's all to our advantage; if they don't, we still have a unified hub to do our own thing. If they do, then the entirety of reddit is going to be gamergate central.

                                                    The only danger is letting them water us down or, worse yet, us doing that for them. This is a situation where "you have nothing to fear but fear itself" is perfectly applicable.

                                                    [–]kiwikku 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    Somewhat. I still think having us contained here is retarded when we SHOULD be everywhere. If we gotta go, then we're taking everyone with us.

                                                    [–]cantbebothered67835 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    You're speaking what I'm thinking

                                                    [–]ikigaii 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I think the key is that we need to start demanding that they tell us, concretely, what constitutes "harassment."

                                                    I doubt there is a single subreddit with more than 1,000 subscribers that couldn't, somehow, be accused of "harassment."

                                                    [–]Soupias 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Well, if they ban the sub I will just move somewhere else. I do not like being censored so I will find another place to frequent. It is not like reddit is a monopoly or something. I will continue speaking up my mind and if someone gets triggered they can ban me to protect their precious little feelings.

                                                    I am just happy that I find this whole sjw attitude in reddit and nowhere to be seen in real life, at least where I live. They can have their safe place but they will have to operate with less than 10% of the current user base. I just hope alternative sites will have the capacity to accommodate the mass exodus. I am not talking just about our sub. There are going to be many more people leaving.

                                                    [–]slipjack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    It's been an honor, fellow shitlords.

                                                    [–]lewism109 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    KotakuInAction subreddit shouldn't even worry about being banned because guess what Reddit? Its not a hate group. This banning system put in place will just get abused by SJWs who enjoy censoring legitmate subreddits for simply disagreeing with their narrative. If Reddit decides to ban KotakuInAction, well its not going to be good news for them, VOAT here I come.

                                                    [–]RoryTateOG³: GamerGate Chief Morale Officer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    A well considered and thoughtful post. A ban on KIA is a possibility, but any reasonable person should see that our behaviour and activities don't fall within the guidelines currently being used to ban subs. However -- and this is why I put an emphasis on the word "reasonable" -- since there is a very big target on this community, I believe a corrupt process for banning subs could easily make this happen with no other justification than "everyone knows that sub was about harassment".

                                                    <sigh> I guess all that will remain then is to point out the inconsistency in the application of the rules, unfortunately. It's very frustrating when there is evidence we have of other subs doing this kind of thing right out in the open, but they get a pass because "safe spaces" is actually a dog whistle term for something completely different.

                                                    I'll be interested to see if some of the subs that actually do target and harass (but are friendly or popular with admins/mods) get banned, or at least have their rules and enforcement brought into agreement with this policy. That will be a fair indicator of what this really means.

                                                    [–]greeniguana6 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I really hope that this subreddit doesn't get banned. If it does, I'll probably abandon Reddit altogether, but I love the CSS styling of this sub, and switching to /gamergatehq/ will suck because it's so bland and boring

                                                    [–]derram_2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    /gghq/ now has a rule against talking shit about people from reddit, so that's something.

                                                    /ggrevolt/ doesn't seem to mind reddit folk either and has less dumbass rules.

                                                    [–]EthicalCerealGuy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    KiA is on high alert tonight

                                                    [–]Magus_Strife 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    I've been lurking here for about 6 months. Check this sub daily, but I never bothered to subscribe until now. I jumped over to voat to register there, but damn is that site slow. I've been tired of reddit for a while. Realistically, what are the chances that voat will get better servers? What steps are they taking to not be like digg was and reddit is becoming?

                                                    [–]the_gamer_rises 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    its slow because of the influx of people. i cant even log on. i think we are witnessing an exodus

                                                    [–]Vallorn_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    but you won't be as welcome there since cultural clashes and all.

                                                    Oh fuck you, people on 8chan will be just as snarky as they are to anyone else they are fine.

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