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[–]after31 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

What time scale is this 1 year? 10? 10+

EDIT: I made my own for 2013 deaths in the U.K. (Most recent data available to me at this time) http://i.imgur.com/tVAqKZw.jpg

[–]Unemployedscreenwrit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Converted for persecution I'd say OP wanted it to be from the paleolithic era.

http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/3aboqc/charleston_shooting_what_theyre_not_telling_you/

http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/2fk9sx/gang_viciously_attacks_couple_in_springfield_mo/cka4zyn

OP is the run of the mill stormfront Dylann Roof "black crime isthe real issue" type persecuted white guy and he has been trying to spread his propaganda around.

[–]UTTO_NewZealand_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many people seem to think our lack of guns just leads to violence with other weapons, would be nice to see this chart with any weapon UK mass murders, and see how the figure is still incredibly lower.

[–]Ftumsh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for taking the effort to do this.

Someone posted the other day that "if they didn't have access to guns they'd kill people with knives". I then challenged the person to tell me about the 30 mass stabbings so far in 2015 in the UK (pro-rated from the US's 142 mass shootings so far this year), but they fell strangely silent.

[–]23482390423 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whats funny is that the UK, land of gun safety, where at one time steak knives were tightly regulated even, the murder rate is higher than in Freedomland. Why isn't there a single talking head on tv news who can show how "the data" shows that basically the left is retarded?

[–]ekyris 51ポイント52ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think what bothers me most about this graph is the big ol' title, "Perspective." As in, look at how 'few' deaths there are by mass shootings. So... What's your point? Should we not care about it when this happens? Should we say, "eh, shit happens, but look at all the other ways they could have died"? Yes, it's a small percentage, but what the hell does that mean when we, as a society, face something like this?

Numbers don't change how tragic mass shootings are. People were violently torn away from loved ones because somebody else decided they don't get to live anymore. Look, I acknowledge that I'm pretty far removed from these shootings, and my life really isn't changed too much by them. But those affected by such events are going through hell. Please don't trivialize what's going on.

[–]Jibbajabba17 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

OP likes to think he's providing perspective when OP is actually lacking perspective :(

Preventable deaths are preventable deaths. Comparing them with accidental or circumstantial incidents is irrelevant.

[–]drstrangewoods 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And not offending people would be possible if you banned speech. Your point?

[–]06Wahoo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think the submitter is trying to suggest that these are not awful events and that we should not feel bad that they happen. I think he is trying to say that events such as these are not reflective of our society. While many people may hold some rather discriminatory viewpoints (or feel bullied, or hold extreme religious views, or whatever), they also still have enough morals to recognize that depriving others of their lives is not justified.

There is this expectation after big events like this that people become "aware" (even though all that really amounts to is a lot of people making a lot of noise but not really doing anything of any consequence), but he clearly feels that if we are to truly be aware, we have to have all the information we can get to be able to call ourselves as much.

But then, I'm just assuming. Perhaps the submitter would feel otherwise, but I think I'm fairly close to the mark.

[–]MyPoopsBringsTheBoys 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

THANK YOU. I think the same can be said about the posts about black on black crimes and police killing blacks data on here.

Data is beautiful is one thing, but context matters!

[–]HailToTheKink -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Maybe focus on the stuff that kills more people? That would be a start.

[–]imallergictocatsok 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

As if we aren't already pouring billions of dollars into cancer research, public health services, car safety, anti smoking information, etc etc? We're all gonna die - it seems to me like we try really hard to prevent some of the more "natural" ways to die and shrug our shoulders when it comes to people murdering other people.

[–]tellhimhesdreaming 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe focus on the stuff that kills more people? That would be a start.

Yeah I can see telling Americans "hey, change every aspect of your diet and lifestyle so you stop dying of heart attacks (MCD is your top killer)" going over real well when you can't manage "major gun control reforms = good".

[–]05coamat 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is ridiculous. Surely you can't compare murders to ALL deaths in the US? It'd be a lot more insightful if you compared murders to all premature deaths...

[–]rhieverViz Practitioner 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Usually the proper statistic to use is age-adjusted death rate, which instead shows the estimated number of years of life lost to the cause.

[–]Bellagrand -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I wasn't exactly sure what point this graph was trying to make, either. This would be like comparing all deaths to deaths by infectious disease, even a tiny number in the disease category would be a pretty good reason to worry.

[–]cant_help_myself 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

I can draw this same diagram for terrorism. Yet the same politicians that won't lift a finger to do anything about mass shootings have spent over $1T (and curtailed countless liberties) to fight terrorism.

[–]NodbuggerX 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of what goes to fight terrorism does overlap to many other things like general law enforcement and disaster preparedness.

[–]Tantric989 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have to take your shoes off at the airport because of 1 guy over 10 years ago who killed 0 people. Yet we can't seem to do anything in regards to shootings, but nobody argued against shoe control.

[–]emuparty -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, Americans are terrorizing the entire world with their propaganda, lobbying and "security" measures.

Americans should spend all that effort and money on building shoe controls and XRAY-machines at their own public institutions, especially congress, etc.

Leave the rest of the world out of your ridiculous fearmongering, corrupt US government.

[–]JamesP-Albiny 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They only thing they can do is make mental health care mor accessible, which is not a bad idea.

[–]vodoomamajuju 39ポイント40ポイント  (16子コメント)

This is nonsense. If it's perspective we want, let's look to other developed nations where mass murders are far less likely to occur. Every death is problem and if there are things we can do as a nation to prevent these tragedies from happening, we should.

[–]By_Design_ 26ポイント27ポイント  (9子コメント)

OP finds it distasteful to be compared to these so called "developed nations." /s

[–]UTTO_NewZealand_ 66ポイント67ポイント  (31子コメント)

Is the fact that 1 in 500 murders are part of a mass shouting supposed to be a good thing?

[–]wang_li 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why does it matter that it's a mass murder? If the same number of people died at the hands of people who only kill a few at a time, it's all alright?

And for the record, the only reason Charleston is making the news is because it's an opportunity to blame people on the right of the political spectrum. Notice that we didn't get presidential speeches and civil rights posturing when five people were murdered. Or, in the Seattle area, when a man killed another five people. Or when this guy shoots seven and kills six. Unfortunately for the American Liberals none of those situations involved the right attackers and victims so they didn't get to leap in front of the first camera available and bemoan violence in America and score cheap political points and try to blame utterly uninvolved and unrelated parties.

[–]UTTO_NewZealand_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All i'm saying is that this post seems to be trying to downplay the prevalence if mass murder in America, when it is still at a ridiculously high rate.

[–]Pathfinder24 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think that's the purpose.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

.2% of .6% is .0012%, which is like 1 in 8333 deaths is due to mass shootings.

[–]UTTO_NewZealand_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which is still an insanely high rate of death due to mass shootings, which this post seems to be trying to downplay.

[–]HippeHoppe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's actually 1 in 83,333 deaths.

[–]TheSliceman[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (18子コメント)

Its not a good thing nor a bad thing. Its just a thing.

Whats relevant is how people react to things.

[–]Ftumsh 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

Now do the thing comparing the US to other countries.

[–]By_Design_ 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now do the thing comparing the US to other countries

Noooooooo! because that thing is not the important thing. Only reactions are important to OP

This "Unbiased America" sure seems to have a lot of decent on the organization's facebook page too.

[–]gtfomylawnplease -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, compare it to any country in Africa. Also, compare it to violent crime in the most violent country in the world, Wales.

[–]Ftumsh 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no idea what point you were trying to make here.

[–]One_Two_Three_Four_ 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

You seem to say two very conflicting things in this thread. Here you say, "It's not good or bad it's just a thing." In this other comment "All this talk about how horrible the problem is and how America is plagued with mass murders ignores the fact that we're talking about about less than 40 deaths a year."

You also seem to go on the offensive as soon as someone points out that 1 in 500 murders are mass murders is actually really high in comparison to other developed nations. You even accuse people of having an agenda, and for some reason don't like the descriptor of developed nations.

Now I'm not saying one way or the other but if you truly believed that the numbers spoke for themselves you probably wouldn't be going so far out of your way to minimize them.

[–]Silverstance 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is a bit larger issue than just less than 40 deaths a year.

Its like a pervasive part of american culture

[–]timothymicah 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so confused. This is a thing? People responded to this survey? I didn't notice a lotta supplementary information on that page, just a really bizarre poll..

[–]faceshitter -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

He's a racist.

[–]thombsaway 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mass shootings are definitely a bad thing.

[–]Theothernooner 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any idea if this graph categorizes shootings between two violent organizations seperately?

[–]beer_demon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or react against other people's reactions.

[–]mrizzerdly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not 'a thing' in other comparable countries, on such a regular basis.

[–]raspberry_man 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

what a completely fucking ridiculous thing to say

[–]Nick-Cage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think if it's used as a way to say "See, there aren't that many murders in the US", then it's a stupid argument.

People who die of their own volition or by others in an accident aren't living in fear of that as much as they are living in fear of someone else hurting them. In simplified terms, people aren't as afraid of deaths that "just happen", they are afraid of deaths that someone else can do to them.

And living in fear of being killed by someone else is not healthy.

[–]beatmastermatt 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it's a mass murder?

[–]bikepsycho -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Need another pie explaining percentage of mass murders of people attending mass.

[–]Blazespanks 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe it's reflecting on how people react to the two different types of murders. Whenever there's a mass shooting it's all over national news. Whereas there's single people murdered every day and no one hears about it.

[–]Waydia 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

Even though the murder rate is small compared to other causes of death, it's still too high. This perspective also doesn't change the fact that what's going on is sickening. And I'm not just talking about the US, because mass murders happen all over the world.

[–]Jibbajabba17 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Judging by OP's comments in this thread, he doesn't care; these lives are all statistics he's just using to make a point that only serves himself.

[–]NeverEnufWTF 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A statistic is just a statistic until it's someone you know...

[–]hinckley 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The colours on that left chart badly need changing; the visibility is practically non-existent.

[–]invalidcsg 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forced perspective.

[–]sakurashinken 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

How you die matters just as much as the fact that you die. Nobody will be upset about the evils of society if you die an old man in your bed.

[–]brandoss77 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congratulations, you just proved that murder alone has less casualties than every single other possible way to die combined.

[–]coolyoo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

can we see another pie chart that divides the murderer numbers by the weapon used in the murder?

[–]Judean_peoplesfront 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe it's just me but I feel like this is the opposite of perspective.

There are no meaningful comparisons to be made here... Maybe if you included some comparisons to other countries, especially ones where guns are illegal, or heavily regulated...

[–]fusiformgyrus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not only this would be a prime post in /r/dataisugly, the fact that someone gilded OP for this is just bothersome on so many levels.

Are we really that desperate to convince ourselves that we don't really have a problem?

[–]rhieverViz Practitioner 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think comparing the number of deaths is the proper statistic to show here. You should compare age-adjusted death rates, which shows the estimated number of years of life lost (YLL) to each cause. Cancer, for example, kills mostly elderly people and is tremendously diminished by the YLL statistic.

[–]minimaxirViz Practitioner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This week on /r/dataisbeautiful has been the week where deductive reasoning has gone out the window, pretty much.

[–]SupahSpankeh 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Sure, as a percentage of deaths murder and mass shootings are less common. However, US shootings and mass murder per capita is obscene.

[–]copycat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Green is hideous. For such a simple representation they could have spent time picking a better green.

[–]FlipSide26 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well whoopdi-fucken-doo....look it up

[–]KarmaNeutrino 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hah, this guy loves his anarcho-capitalism. Conforming to the stereotype much, Sliceman?

[–]Wampawacka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we get back to actually meaningful data and graphs instead of politically charged nonsense?

[–]SantasSatanicArmy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't understand the point you're trying to make. I understand the graph, just not the point.

[–]flashman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A fucking pie graph? For real?

[–]LKDlk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, 240 deaths per day are from alcohol, 40 are from murder.

[–]xiaopb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok. I know that the majority of deaths in the U.S. are not caused by crazed lunatics who shoot people en masse. I think this tragedy is getting so much coverage in part because it symbolizes racial tension in the states that is still unresolved, that we all feel.

I get that if we value human life equally, then the attention on this one event is grossly exaggerated, and your chart is a great reminder of that. But I think the point is that until blacks are truly equal in the U.S., these types of tragedies are going to keep reminding us that racism still exists today by many. This is another opportunity to make progress.

[–]theuser12 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you have a .12% of dying in a mass shooting | .6 x .2 = .12 |

[–]dan_smash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

.6% x .2% = .006 x .002 = .000012 = .0012%

[–]mrizzerdly -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you include aborted fetuses in your calculation of "All deaths?"