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Dear gamers, please don't stop and continue doing what you're doing (self.KotakuInAction)

low-iq-clown が 投稿

Hey there fellow gamers,

I work at a big tech company in silicon valley. I'm not going to give any detail or any proof; you know the reason.

In the first several months of gamergate there were people calling ggers all sorts of names inside the company. Of course I never told anyone that I support gamergate; who wants a career suicide just because they had the "wrong" ideas. But when people started calling names at #notyourshield supporters I -and some other people- couldn't help myself and defended them; by doing so I was called a "clown" and a "low iq" person who won't be able to advance in their career. Not that it changes anything but just to give context, I'm a minority.

Fast forward to now. Lo and behold all these people are silent. All the gg talk stopped. I'm not sure if it's temporary or they have given up. Though they seemed too far gone to realize their stupidity so I pity the next sector they will try to latch themselves onto. Months ago there were calls to invite these ideologues (you know who) to the company to give some talk. Those went nowhere too. As a gamer, I'm delighted with these results.

Having said that we must continue. In order to prevent a similar infection, we must inoculate gaming against these ideologues. With the amount of fun I'm having, I don't think it will be difficult to continue but it's still worth repeating. Previously these tactics were used to gain some votes in politics; this time they're used as cover up for unethical journalism and in an effort to gain undeserved leverage in gaming. Next time who knows what will they use it for but I'm sure there will be a next time. And another one after that. People like Jack Thompson are very useful in keeping the gamer spirit alive. You know it's like a game gets boring when there's no challenge. So I guess we owe a thanks to gaming opponents.

I have this big grin when I see all those disclosers in gaming sites and now we see e3; you all achieved a lot. I'm really proud of you fellow shit-slingers, hyper consumers, man children, death eaters, misogynerds, basement dwellers, gender traitors, loser virgin neckbeards and zombies. Press on.

tl;dr: The ride never ends!

PS: Is there any email campaign or anything else that we can do? Drama is fun but I prefer action.

PPS: I don't know how to tag a post.

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[–]CistemOfADown 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well hell, I'm going to believe the OP. "Tide is turning" has been a theme the past few weeks, this sounds right in line.

Honestly I think more important than anything is to just keep making the arguments: for ethics, for speech, against censorship, against ideologues, all that good stuff. NO ONE WAS DOING THIS A YEAR AGO - now people are. And hey, what do you know, it can change things.

[–]Chiafriend12 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hi, I've been reading into GG/SJWs, etc. but basically this whole time since the start of Gamergate I've been hands off this entire thing. Do you know any good video series/podcasts that chronicle Gamergate's fight, advances and events over time or otherwise explains the movement in detail? In the past I've been recommended the InternetAristocrat's series (about 1h52m total) and if you knew anything else to recommend me that would be greatly appreciated.

Open request to anyone who sees this

[–]l0c0dantes 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you check out the 2 videos on the sidebar?

But, for the whole 10 months? You really won't find many videos for the whole thing. there are two reasons for this:

  1. It is a complete rabbit hole
  2. Some of the video makers went away (IA) because we didn't do what they wanted.

The gamergate wiki timeline is the best way to get caught up.

[–]Chiafriend12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

On a weird mobile skin at the moment that doesn't show the sidebar. I'll look there when I get home

And I'll check out the timeline too; thanks

[–]thekindlyman555 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's very long, and the video maker explains everything through text and video clips made by other people, but it's fairly well done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7ubG5nG2Gc&ab_channel=chesterlester

[–]GreatRedYeti -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chester did a really good job with his video. Make sure to watch both parts 1 & 2.

[–]centrum5555 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Email campains are on 8chan and maybe on voat.

as for the rest dont you think they only shut up because the topic grew old?

[–]low-iq-clown[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

For some of them I agree they lost steam. I think that's a good outcome too because majority of them are non gamers. As this drags on gamers seem to outlast the rest. Dat weaponized autism.

For me this is all for keeping entertainment in games (not just fun). I want to have high correlation between merit and success in gaming. I simply don't want to wake up in a world where some people decide what's acceptable or what's not for games. I can decide that on my own, thank you very much. Great motivation if you are a gamer so I think that's why we're still here.

[–]unholygunner714 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thought voat got shut down by srs

[–]KDulius 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

a sever did, but they'd moved to cloud I think just before

[–]centrum5555 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

should be up soon again they need new servers

[–]FSMhelpusall 44ポイント45ポイント  (61子コメント)

If you're black, you should have filed a complaint against the people calling you "Low IQ" for race-based harassment.

Not really but fuck if I don't want to see SJWs hit with their own weapons.

[–]low-iq-clown[S] 96ポイント97ポイント  (57子コメント)

I think it's better for everyone if we all grow a thicker skin.

[–]hoseja 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

SJW feed on and exploit reasonableness and common sense, just sayin.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he wasn't called low iq for race reasons, he shouldn't accuse them of such.

Although it's true sjw ideology exploits reasonableness, that's no reason to not be reasonable. Although it's an ideology where being merciless in not giving ground for their ideas seems to net a more positive effect than doing so tentatively.

[–]redgoldblue 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

while i agree with you in part, i dont think it is feasible. SJWs will always exist and we cannot allow oursleves to be unilaterally disarmed. some of our best retorts the the SJWs are by using rhetorical jujitsu to turn their own arguments against them. good example would be TB using "american cultural imperialism" to shut down outrage whores that were attacking that polish game

[–]Newbdesigner 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

Fuck'em; Use your tools and get them fired by using their weapons against them. At the moment they have to sweat for their job; they may not be an SJW anymore. The people who have any degree of maturity will renounce their old ways, the ones that are immature will become so radical no one will listen to them.

[–]thegreathobbyist 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

"He who fights monsters should be careful not to become a monster himself"

-Fredrich Nietzsche

[–]Newbdesigner -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

"He who wants to be taken seriously should not be quoting Nietzsche"

  • Albert Einstein

[–]thegreathobbyist 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why not? There's a damn good point to that quote. And it seems to be sailing you by completely.

[–]Arkonthorn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel there is more than anything an historical context to the rebuttal by Einstein, seeing as how much of Nietzsche work had been appropriated by the nazis. So ....

He who quote anything without a bit of knowledge about the context surrounding said quote should not be taking seriously I guess ?

[–]xandier_104 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

I disagree

We really shouldn't stoop to their level

The insult clearly wasn't based on his skin colour and to pretend it was to get someone fired is incredibly unethical

We are not ghazi, we shouldn't be trying to fuck people over just for having different views

[–]raze2012Noticed by senpai! 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

agree and disagree.

agree with:

We really shouldn't stoop to their level

disagree with

trying to fuck people over just for having different views

If a group of peers are insulting you for sharing different views, it is harassment. It's not harassment that you can't resolve yourself (or at the very least, with a 3rd party peer [NOT a higher-up]), but it falls under the definition. If initial attempts to self-resolve fails and the harassment persists in the long-term (to the point where I feel like it's affecting productivity), then I have no problem with going over their head and getting highers up involved. People can't just turn off work and walk away like on Reddit and Twitter.

And the tolerance bar is even lower for a higher-up doing so(boss, professor, etc.), since they have quite a bit more leverage than a typical peer.

I can't emphasize the bolded section enough. It applies to life, too. At least attempt to fix your problems yourself before asking to help. If nothing else, it shows initiative.

[–]Newbdesigner -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have every right to disagree and I deep down I know you're right; but the fucking ironic catharsis may be worth it; for nothing more than a moment.

[–]Aetheus -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. Absolutely everybody (even GGers. even anti-GGers. No matter how much either side may want to deny it) has experienced that little gleeful voice in our heads that celebrates when someone we dislike gets the short end of the stick. It's just human nature.

But purposely "fighting fire with fire" will only do more damage to the cause and hurt its credibility. If we "use their tools against them", we are being hypocrites, even if we're only doing it "ironically". In fact, it might only arm them with more ammo - "You see?! This is why we need 'safe places'. Even GG agrees!". They don't care if you're being "ironic" - if you use their tools, you condone them, as far as they're concerned.

[–]BigTimStrange 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What you propose is the exact path that led people to turn into SJWs.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 7ポイント8ポイント  (41子コメント)

It's perfectly ethical to hold the enemy to its own standards. In fact, it's arguably unethical not to.

[–]Gazareth 8ポイント9ポイント  (38子コメント)

Waste of time if they are shitty standards though, really.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 11ポイント12ポイント  (37子コメント)

No, it's especially useful if they are shitty standards, because they will disadvantage them, not you.

They have to live up to their own standards because they advocate for them. You don't have to live up to their standards. You can reject them outright for your own conduct. You simply have to hold them to their own standards.

Hope that helps.

[–]Gazareth 0ポイント1ポイント  (36子コメント)

But why are we holding them to standards we don't agree with? Why are we supporting this moral infrastructure that we would prefer didn't exist?

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 6ポイント7ポイント  (20子コメント)

They advocate for those standards, so they must live up to them for self-consistency. If you don't hold them to their own standards, you are being complicit in their hypocrisy, and that's unethical. Once they self-destruct (financially, politically, socially, etc.) through their inability to live up to their own standards, those standards are deprecated, they are considered immaterial for anyone else.

[–]Gazareth 2ポイント3ポイント  (19子コメント)

they must live up to them for self-consistency

Many of them don't care about that. But that's besides the point I guess.

If you don't hold them to their own standards, you are being complicit in their hypocrisy, and that's unethical.

Simply not calling something out isn't the same as being complicit in it. It's not our job to stop them being hypocritical.

[–]M3_Drifter 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

But that's besides the point I guess.

No. That is exactly the point.

[–]Gazareth 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The point is that they don't care about being consistent, so we should waste our time pointing out how they are being inconsistent?

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 4ポイント5ポイント  (15子コメント)

Many of them don't care about that.

You make them care by holding them to their own standards as often, as publicly, and using as much legislative or protocol enforcement as possible.

Simply not calling something out isn't the same as being complicit in it.

It is.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

― Edmund Burke

Hypocrisy is evil. And if you let it occur when it's within your power to stop it (quite trivially, in most cases), you are most certainly complicit in it.

[–]Gazareth 1ポイント2ポイント  (14子コメント)

Calling it out =/= stopping it.

Sure it goes some way to doing so, but they are not the same thing, so abstaining is not the same as being complicit in it.

[–]GGtorchwood 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because, if we hold them to their own rules, and suddenly those rules become inconvenient to them, we quite reasonably refer them back to our original reasonable stance.

[–]Gazareth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You seem to be assuming that they won't go on to take some other unreasonable stance.

[–]Izkata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget their rules often include "the right targets", "punching up", "+ power" - they're automatically excluded from the start. (OP is "a minority" in a tech field; if black, they might use sex; if female, they might use race; etc etc) So the mental gymnastics to keep their own rules certainly exist.

[–]Muesli_nom 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

But why are we holding them to standards we don't agree with? Why are we supporting this moral infrastructure that we would prefer didn't exist?

Generally speaking: Someone who does not adhere to his or her own standards is a hypocrite. Other people holding them to those standards (while personally not holding those standards) point out that hypocrisy.

Maybe a quick example: If someone believes that sex outside of marriage is bad, but nevertheless fucks an unmarried person (or/and his him- or herself unmarried), they are being hypocritical. I do not have to believe myself that sex outside of marriage is bad to point out the discrepancy between their belief and their actions.

...It would, however, be hypocritical of me to try to punish that person for failing to adhere to their stated position, precisely because I do not believe that what they are doing (fucking while unmarried) is wrong - yet if I were to try to get them punished, I would treat it as if it was, creating a discrepancy between my belief and my actions.

That's why I think that hypocrisy as shown should be called out, but not "battled with their own weapons". Makes us assholes as big as they already are.

[–]Gazareth 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm not saying it's not hypocritical. I'm saying: why should we go out of our way to point out something is hypocritical when the only reason it's hypocritical is because of their ridiculous standards?

It's like if someone said: "everyone has to eat 5 fruit a day or they are going to hell!". Who is going to care? Who is going to say "you're going to hell!" back to that person when they don't eat 5 fruit a day?

[–]cascadialeijona 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because it makes them more difficult to believe, and in a debate that is something you want.

[–]Muesli_nom -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

why should we go out of our way to point out something is hypocritical when the only reason it's hypocritical is because of their ridiculous standards?

Fair point. In a world ruled by logic and rationality, I would agree wholeheartedly because the ridiculousness of such standards would be evident to everyone.

As it stands, we live in a world where adult people are, in earnest, trying to get rid of the "in dubio pro reo" standard ("in doubt, for the accused"), which is... well, maybe even more ridiculous, in my perspective. But it also is, sadly, reality.

I mean, if you look at it: The problem with SJWs is not that they exist, or that they spout their nonsense. It's that they are listened to and accommodated to such a degree. The problem is not that someone calls Sir Tim Hunt out for a poor joke, but that it gets turned into a ideological battlefield upon which he is sacrificed. That's just as ridiculous and irrational - but it happened.

If everyone just keeps quiet about things they find "too ridiculous to be taken seriously", we'll end up with a state of affairs such as they are now: When what a scientist did (land a probe on a comet) is vastly overshadowed by a shirt he wore.

Or take FemFreq, for example: The drivel they spout is ludicrous; It's the ramblings of that old hermit of a thousand sagas who's just spent a few too many decades alone in the wilderness. But a lot of people nod their head, and listen and believe as if it was some divine wisdom.

Ah, I'm rambling. sorry. Point is: We seem to live in a time where the ridiculous is taken as way more serious than actual reality a lot of the time. Sometimes it is necessary to point out that someone else is behaving highly irrational/ridiculous to take them down to earth.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes it's the prevalence of critical theory on universities.

[–]Gazareth 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

If everyone accepts their ridiculousness, then how come they will suddenly be responsive when you point out the hypocrisy? Just because they aren't adhering to their own ridiculous standards doesn't inherently show how ridiculous they are.

[–]bl1y 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's only ethical to hold them to the proper standards.

Right and wrong exist beyond the opinions of idiots.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Self-consistency is a significant component of right and wrong.

People must be held to their own standards and called out if they fail.

[–]tempaccountnamething -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're 100% right. "Using their weapons against them" means that they win. Because making their weapons work is what they want.

But I think that it's worth pointing out the hypocrisy whenever you have the chance. Otherwise they get away with making broad false generalizations.

[–]ofekme -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

YES DONT GIVE IN TO THE SJW'S MAN

[–]Vallorn_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

You have to love it when these people's authoritarian streaks would turn against them completely if they were ever put into practice.

[–]87612446F7 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

that's what's so fucking retarded about them.

they get rid of us and they'll just be the next ones on the chopping block, and they refuse to see it.

[–]RobbieGee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't underestimate peoples ability to self hate and accepting harm to one self. I wouldn't be surprised if the most ardent ones just think they "have it coming".

[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there any email campaign or anything else that we can do? Drama is fun but I prefer action.

Honestly we seem to be caught in a limbo right now. After funding the HBB legal fund, Eron's legal fund, and the Deepfreeze ad campaign I think most of us are just waiting to see how our investments lately have payed off. Also E3 happened recently which was distracting. Right now I'd say we're all anticipating Airplay. If you want to try to do something to help the effort in the meantime I'd suggest adding to Deepfreeze or helping to keep 8chan alive via bitcoin donations.

[–]low-iq-clown[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with your assessment of our current situation. Let me check 8chan donation, I'm not using that website though. I'm halfway between voat and reddit.

[–]subhorizonKOBS Reject | Happy Camper 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm fortunate to work around people who are above that SJW nonsense. I imagine keeping your cool and staying low around them must be hard.

[–]low-iq-clown[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good thing is they're not around me. And I don't think there are too many of them. It's just you know the silent majority yada yada. The same situation that's happening everywhere else. People who are researching it mostly agree with this unpopular idea but outsiders only see the labels situation.

And to be honest it's just not worth it as long as you don't deal with it constantly and can safely ignore. I know by not speaking I'm helping the status quo. :/

[–]g-divA nice grandson 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dear gamers, please don't stop, and continue doing what you're doing

The lack of a second comma is totally triggering me because it's altering the entire meaning of the sentence.

SORRY NOT SORRY OCD GRAMMAR NAZI

[–]FrighteningWorld -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

GrammarGhazi!

[–]n0ne0ther -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

SORRY NOT SORRY

As a Canadian I take offence!

[–]Joss_Muex 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fast forward to now. Lo and behold all these people are silent. All the gg talk stopped. I'm not sure if it's temporary or they have given up. Though they seemed too far gone to realize their stupidity so I pity the next sector they will try to latch themselves onto.

Was there a watershed event? When did you perceive a change?

[–]Lucky0Looser 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Email campaigns on Reddit are difficult because the admins won't allow us to post email-addresses so the mods are carful because otherwise KiA will be banned. (While other subs are allowed to do so #DoubleStandards)

But there are no such restrictions on Voat, so come on over!
https://voat.co/v/KotakuInAction/comments/135993

[–]GreatRedYeti 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why don't you go over to Voat?

[–]Lucky0Looser [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I first thought this was a snide remark directed at me, but it is in fact a link to the YouTube Video of Chairman Pao singing.

Funny lyrics and nice melody, 10/10 would watch again! So thanks.

[–]Storthos 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been there. That's why it's important for people to get out there and start their own stuff. It's now easier than ever before to make professional looking games for cheap, and there's a glut of skilled people to collaborate with on the internet.

I'm on my phone right now, but now that I'm no longer under contract, I might tell the story of the head of marketing at the last company I worked at - an SJW that regularly posted her personal politics to the company website, spent thousands of dollars on a service that claimed to directly trade cash for favorable coverage, and eventually got fired for calling the project lead a "retard" when he had questions about some of her questionable decisions.

[–]matmannen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tips my fedora...

[–]Samuel_Culper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know what you mean, I go to a school specialized in game development and people are definitely drinking the Kool-Aid there as well. Thanks for taking the risk to speak out. Hang in there.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

PS: Is there any email campaign or anything else that we can do? Drama is fun but I prefer action.

The admins banned it here, even though other subreddits get away with similar campaigns. It's hypocrisy. The sister sub at Voat is free to do so and is planning on it.

PPS: I don't know how to tag a post.

Message the mods with a link to this post and your desired tag. They'll do it for you.

[–]Mashiki -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mods can verify your statement(that you work for xyz) and leave your anonymity intact.

[–]RenegadeDoc -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I personally really like the real life meetups as an "action" GG is taking.

It's a VERY public and humanising thing, shows a joy in community and a lack of hate and often displays diversity that our detractors are crying out for (in words but rarely action)

Perhaps they are not big happenings, but I think they serve to undermine the weak narrative further and perhaps breed a little envy (what nerds don't love meeting fellow nerds?)

All those insults hurled at the hashtag don't make much sense when you see a group picture of a crowd of people just happy to be meeting each other.

[–]xWhackoJacko -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Amen brother/sister! Do work!

[–]cascadialeijona -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then it just makes them look dumb.

[–]TyroKith -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know why but the title immediately reminded me of Gary Busey from Family Guy.

"HOW AM I DOIN' TODAY, GAMERGATE?"

"YOU'RE DOIN' GREAT!"

"GOOD! THEN I'LL KEEP IT UP!"

[–]DwarfGate -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're never gonna stop. SJWs can suck a fat one, we've gone from defending our hobby from shitlickers to guarding the first rule of living in America.

[–]GoggleHeadCid -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we get an unverified tag on this? Nice message and all, but without verification OP is just some nameless mook on the internet like the rest of us.

[–]sexy_mofo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was called a "clown" and a "low iq" person who won't be able to advance in their career.

In my opinion, everyone that has gone clear out of their way to say shit like this over the last 9 months needs to be exposed, if for no other reason than to help people entering the tech/games/etc industries avoid said people if they choose to. In my opinion it wouldn't be the same as when loads of GGers were placed on blocklists and blacklists, since they were only placed there simply for supporting GG. Meanwhile, people like the ones mentioned by OP have gone clear the fuck out of their way to attack GGers - just for being GGers - and threatening bullshit like "you'll never work in this town again." In my opinion, up and comers need to know who these people are, to protect themselves.

[–]PuffSmackDown1 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the first several months of gamergate there were people calling ggers all sorts of names inside the company.

Do you know what positions these people had? Were they positions that require any actual skill?

[–]ggdsf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You can message verification to the mods

[–]95wave -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know you could do a discrimination lawsuit if the person who insulted you was white. Being called low iq could EASILY be seen as racist.

Black knighting all the way.

[–]MisterSnerkel -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Months ago there were calls to invite these ideologues (you know who) to the company to give some talk.

I view this as similar to inviting a pastor to give a talk on relationships in the office.

[–]RobbieGee -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hehe, this reminds me when someone called me something similar to a "low iq clown". I had the biggest grin on my face when a good while later, the same person walked into the room where Mensa were holding a testing day... lo and behold, there he witnessed yours truly being a sensor, handing the test sheets out.