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[–]binrowasright 27ポイント28ポイント  (40子コメント)

A man who looks at women fighting for equality, but instead of supporting them thinks, "but what about me?"

[–]Jortario 1ポイント2ポイント  (33子コメント)

Yeah. Divorced fathers who want the right to have equal parental rights as mothers are sooooo selfish.

[–]TheDemonClown28/M/Dallas,TX 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

Found the MRA!

[–]Jortario 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You say that like its a bad thing.

[–]CardboardJesusWoW28/M/FL 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sure if you're serious, but it's a play on a meme from FPH before it got banned.

[–]TheDemonClown28/M/Dallas,TX 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a pretty general reaction, period. Not just an FPH meme.

[–]TheDemonClown28/M/Dallas,TX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And another one.

[–]vissionsofthefutura23 / M / DC 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Considering the fact that more parental rights are given to the mother because "the woman deals with the children" is something that feminists don't support, yes wanting more rights for men while not helping woman gain rights is selfish.

[–]Stratisphear 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]chenofzurenarrh 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Feminists in this case being 19th century British feminist Caroline Norton, whose situation was kinda terrible as hell:

According to English law in 1836, children were the legal property of their father.

"An English wife may not leave her husband's house. Not only can he sue her for restitution of "conjugal rights," but he has a right to enter the house of any friend or relation with whom she may take refuge...and carry her away by force...

If her husband take proceedings for a divorce, she is not, in the first instance, allowed to defend herself...She is not represented by attorney, nor permitted to be considered a party to the suit between him and her supposed lover, for "damages."

Norton's husband sued a friend of hers for Criminal Conversation, aka infidelity, and despite the lawsuit being thrown out of court, he refused to grant her divorce and access to their children.

To single her out in order to say that "feminists did it" is so simplified that it buggers belief, and that's before even considering the fact that in modern times, the basis for the Tender Years doctrine tends to be the societal view of men as breadwinners and women as child-raisers.

[–]Amorne3 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah because there have been no major shifts in feminism since then /s.

[–]Jortario 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

OK so anyone who doesn't do whatever feminist demand of them is selfish. Got it.

[–]bendall1331 16ポイント17ポイント  (20子コメント)

Yeah, sorry to break it to you, but feminist wish for equal rights across all genders. That includes fairer custody battles.

You're a feminist.

[–]Up-The-Butt_Jesus 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

lol

[–]FUCK_YEAH_BASKETBALL 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Under some waves of feminism. You do realize that not all forms agree with this?

[–]-Mr-PapayaYes, I'm fruity 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

The prevalent notion is that every woman can define her own feminism and be a feminist. These women also wish to free themselves from society's attempts to label them one way or another. Yet, they're very quick to label anyone as feminist, regardless of whether this person wishes to be labeled one way or another.

The thing is, there's so much stuff associated with and promoted by women under the banner of feminism, one cannot simply define it as "equal rights across all genders".

[–]thehungriestbear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was the point of my question too. It's kind of like saying "if you believe in God, you're really a christian." Christians do believe in a god, and many non-christians believe in one too, but that doesn't mean that everyone who believes in a god is really a christian. There's a lot of stuff associated with Christianity that they may not believe in. It seems like a sleezy conversion tactic that a Christian missionary might use. "Oh, you believe in a higher power? Well then you're really a christian! Now stop doing your own thing and come worship in the christian church with us!"

[–]Bob49459 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

wish for equal rights across all genders

10/10 top kek

[–]davidd00you're all fucked up and its clear why you're all single 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

toppest of keks

[–]Stratisphear -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hi, what rights are women missing that men have? Which ones? Can you name one? Just one right?

[–]biodigital 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

The right to walk alone at nighttime and not have to worry about being raped...?

[–]thehungriestbear 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're conflating two ideas: the right to not be raped, and the right to not worry about rape. Obviously you have the right to not actually be raped, because rape is illegal. Strong steps should always be taken to ensure that right.

But you certainly don't have a right to not worry about rape--to not feel a certain way--because feelings are entirely internal. They exist within you. No one has a right to not have certain feelings, because that's simply impossible to guarantee to any human being.

If you're searching for that right you'll never find it--there will always be criminals and there will always be personal reasons that make you worry. That's part of being a human with emotions. Same goes for men, because there simply isn't some right to total assurance that you don't have to worry about crimes being committed against you. That's just not reasonable for any gender or any crime.

[–]Tobor_YllemsInvasive Species of the Week: Cats -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i didn't realize that was legal. thanks

[–]Stratisphear -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh yah, the supreme court actually just held up that rape is absolutely legal if a woman is outside unsupervised after 9pm. Men are still issued their goverment nighttime forcefields though. That's a completely legitimate issue.

[–]thehungriestbear 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Serious question: Why does feminism try to make other special-interest groups fall under its umbrella? I mean originally feminism was created with women's equality in mind--hence the term "feminist." It was separate and distinct from other groups. But today, anyone trying to describe their own special interest group gets told that, despite whatever they think they are, they're really a feminist. That's a pretty big assumption to make, especially considering the incredibly wide variety within the feminism movement.

Not trying to be offensive or start an argument, I'm genuinely curious about why so many feminists try to convince everyone that they're really just feminists, even if feminism doesn't do a great job supporting that person's particular cause. It just seems like a cheap salesman tactic, honestly.

[–]billyup 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

if a movement's demands fall under the umbrella of another movement's demands without a single demand outside of that umbrella (even if they don't understand that or use different wording) they are in essence a member of that movement.

it would be like if a group was saying "Stop using chopsticks! Use silverware!" and another group was saying "Forks and knives are the greatest thing ever!" the only difference being the forks and knives group was known to say "We hate the anti-chopstick group!"

[–]thehungriestbear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think that's the case at all.

First off, your explanation doesn't really work well. Let's say one group believes in A, B, and C, while another group believes in just A. Sure, all of the smaller group's demands fall under the demands of the larger group. A falls under the umbrella of the first group, but the second group doesn't believe in B or C. They have different beliefs, even if all of the smaller group's beliefs fall under the umbrella of the larger group. Maybe the second group doesn't want to be associated with B or C. What if someone formed a group that was everything that feminism believes in plus they believed in imaginary lizard people. Would feminists really be part of the "feminism + lizard people" movement, simply because all of feminism's demands fell under the larger movement's demands? Of course not.

The other issue is that your explanation completely ignores the right to free association. People have the right to identify or not identify with any group they wish. Are you a member of a group just because someone else decides you are? Or because you decide to be yourself? Your argument seems to deny agency to those who would wish that they not be labeled feminists.

Finally, there's the issue that the entire premise of feminism being for "all genders at all times" is dubious at best. One doesn't have to look far to find self-described feminists saying things which clearly aren't in the best interests of other genders. Are they not real feminists? After all, some of them clearly don't support men in any capacity. If they aren't real feminists, why don't you speak out against them? Why would you force others to be associated with feminism while doing nothing to distance yourselves from "feminists" who clearly don't care about other genders? Feminism is an incredibly fractured movement, and it seems incredibly intellectually dishonest to just assert that as a general movement it fights for all genders. It's even more intellectually dishonest to say that anyone who would disagree with that just doesn't understand, and is really a feminist. Again, that seems to totally deny the agency of others and their right to disagree.

It sounds like the intent of this is for feminists to decide for other people that their movements are really feminism, and if those people disagree then they're just mistaken about what feminism really is. That sounds like a sleezy attempt to strong-arm everyone into supporting a movement which they may not actually support. I believe in equal rights for all genders at all times, but you don't get to just decide for other people that they're part of your equality movement and then claim that any disagreement is really because they don't understand your movement.

[–]Jortario 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No I'm not. I'll speak for myself thanks.

[–]randomt2000veil of dissonance 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's why I love RES, I don't remember why I tagged you "entitled judgmental idiot", but your postings just keep proving that it's justified.

[–]Jortario 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kind of ironic that you call me judgemental when you're the one tagging people with hateful nicknames

[–]Stratisphear 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? Some of them even think that men being the vast majority of suicide victims and vast minority of those treated with depression is actually something people should care about. What assholes.

[–]bam2_89 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like the feminists did when they heard the term "rape culture" being used to describe the environment in men's prisons?

[–]davidd00you're all fucked up and its clear why you're all single -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

equality

feminism has nothing to do with equality... you're mixing it up with egalitarianism.

[–]-Mr-PapayaYes, I'm fruity 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually, it has to do a lot with equality. Gender equality. It merely focuses on the women's angle, being the oppressed one. What get mixed up are all the other stuff feminism is known for, some of which are disgraceful if not counter productive. But hey, what do I know? I'm a just white male agent of the patriarchy

[–]aDogMachine -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

a man who thinks college educated upper middle class urban white women probably don't have it too bad in the grand scheme of things

or who realizes that there's an inherent danger when one engages in endless open ended "fights" or "wars" in support of somewhat ill-defined concepts, no matter how good the original intentions may have been