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[–]arty_uk 63ポイント64ポイント  (2子コメント)

This guy again, check his post history. He's a massive troll

[–]Engineerthegreat 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a good laugh when he does make a post. Surely no one thinks he is serious

[–]Bromlife 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

His a big time real true lawyar.

[–]LetterbocksGamergateisgreat 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

u wot m8

[–]AThrowawayAsshole 32ポイント33ポイント  (25子コメント)

Hey Bob Loblaw, do you practice law in Germany, Switzerland, or just in fantasy land? You can pretend to 'investigate' all you want in the U.S., but fact remains that this is a German hosting service with a physical co-location in Switzerland and they are bound by the EU ruling of third party liability. So kindly fuck off, bastard.

[–]cystorm 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

FYI for anyone new in the thread, /u/AntiTrustLaw is not a lawyer. When he discusses the law, it's usually antithetical to actual law. In a recent post, someone called him out on not being a lawyer and his response was something like,

Just because you didn't graduate from law school doesn't mean you don't know about the law

Paraphrasing, but yeah...

[–]sunealoneal 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm starting to think that he actually is a lawyer and is just playing this character for fun.

[–]cystorm 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's certainly more plausible than his "law" being followed in a court.

[–]AThrowawayAsshole 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know that he is about as qualified to be a lawyer as I am qualified to be a neurosurgeon. He made his grand pronouncements and when I called him out on his 'theories', he told me he was going to PM me with specific information. I want him to either follow through or admit that he is an idiot.

[–]srs_throwaway5302960 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is a troll and he owns you. You are pathetic for falling into his web and thrashing about like a retard.

[–]AntiTrustLaw[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

You misunderstand.

Let me try to explain what I said before further: Whether or not I am a lawyer is irrelevant to my argument.

I happen to be a lawyer, but that fact doesn't make my arguments more true.

It's a common logical fallacy to focus on the person as opposed to what he says. It's call an "Ad Hominem."

If a person says, "What do you know; you're not a lawyer." that's an ad hominem fallacy.

That's what I was pointing out before.

I assume that you're so focused on using fallacious arguments because you can't refute what I'm actually saying.

[–]cystorm 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

An ad hominem attack would be something like, "your discussion about legal topics is so uninformed a monkey with a blunt crowbar could chisel better arguments." What you're complaining about is a reputation following you around this site after making several uninformed posts about your legal theories. But, here are some questions you're free to answer:

People have been asking me to provide some legal perspective on voat.co's hosting company denying them service

Who are these people, exactly?

and how it relates to ongoing legal action against reddit.com and its board of directors/CEO.

Oh, is that the "legal action" your firm "has taken an interest in"? Go ahead and link to the complaint/petition when it's filed. I'll wait . . .

We haven't fully determined how much responsibility reddit has for causing hosteurope.de to deny service to voat, (and I can't really talk in-depth about our legal investigation), but let me just say this: The speculation I've been reading on KIA and other sites about the matter are largely correct.

I'd love to see some documentation on this. Oh you don't have any? Ok.

As many of you have pointed out, someone clearly wants to shut down voat

. . . like the hosting site? Maybe because it was hosting allegedly illegal content and they didn't want that liability if the allegations were true?

and it stands to reason that reddit/Ellen Pao/associated political action groups from reddit are behind it.

You just said the speculation is largely correct, but now you're saying "it stands to reason" that it's correct. One of those means something very different from the other (which you would have learned in law school). Assuming you "can't disclose the evidence of an ongoing lawsuit" (assuming it existed), how does it "stand to reason" reddit/Pao is behind the takedown rather than prudent business practices? Feel free to demonstrate via a logical proof.

Reddit is losing many readers, and I'm certain their internal, predictive numbers paint a very bleak picture of future trends, vis-a-vis redditors deserting reddit for voat.

Again, this is a conclusory and speculative sentence. If you have facts to back this up, this a great time to add them.

It seems logical--and you'll have to excuse me for using ambiguous language, none of this has been confirmed yet

Again, we went from "largely correct" to "none of this has been confirmed." Just file the complaint and you have the full panoply of the federal rules of civil procedure for discovery. You can file it tonight and post the link! Again, I'll wait . . .

that reddit's legal department was behind the reports of "politically incorrect" content sent to voat.co's hosting company.

Let's just assume that's correct. So? What is your cause of action? How are you proving causation? Where do you even have SMJ?

This was most likely done at the orders of either Ellen Pao or Reddit's board of directors, for whom, ultimately, profits are the bottom line.

That is generally how corporations work, yes. Again, where is the cause of action?

Some have suggested that niche political activism groups on reddit are responsible, and this may be so, but it doesn't provide reddit any legal cover. Reddit's history of providing preferential treatment to some poltical groups is well known, and it wouldn't be hard (in my opinion) to show that these groups show their gratitude for their special status on reddit by committing fraud in order to help reddit, whether at the request of reddit or simply of their own volition.

A few things here. First, is it "your firm's" position that "niche political groups" are sending these reports? Because you just said it was "at the orders of either Ellen Pao or Reddit's board of directors." That's not necessarily inconsistent, but I assume you have some documentation backing that up? PMs, emails, etc. Second, you still haven't made clear what your theory is. Assuming reddit shows preference to some political views (speculative), and assuming that causes gratitude on the part of these political groups (speculative), and even assuming reddit, inc. asked these groups to file reports with voat's hosting company (speculative), what liability does reddit.com have? What liability does any individual poster have? And what is the cause of action?

Obviously reporting "incorrect" content to a web hosting company isn't illegal on its face. But if it can be shown that the reports were made fraudulently, that the "incorrect" content was misrepresented in some way, or that the reports were not made in good faith, but were instead solely for the purpose of providing Reddit an unfair commercial advantage, things get very interesting (legally speaking.)

Ah, ok this is starting to sound more like a cause of action. But you're claiming the relevant theory is based in US antitrust law? When the action at issue occurred in Germany? I wasn't aware Germany adopted Sherman, but I could be wrong (I'm not an /u/AntiTrustLaw yer, after all). In any event, let's say that theory works - how are you going to show apparently truthful reports were: (a) "fraudulent," (b) misrepresentative, or (c) made in bad faith? If they were truthful, and the content was illegal (or close to illegal), reddit wins on MSJ. If it was done "solely for the purpose of providing Reddit an unfair commercial advantage," you still have a causation problem. How are you getting around that?

If reddit (or groups associated with reddit)

Well, which is it? Which are you naming as defendants, and which do you have evidence against? No evidence? Ok let's ignore that.

are destroying competition with unfounded reports of incorrect content

Are they unfounded? They looked pretty accurate to me. I guess that's an issue for the "jury," right?

the possible damages in the civil case rise exponentially, because then we're not talking just about revenue lost in the past, but we'll also be able to calculate future revenue that voat will lose based on the fraud, and with a site like voat, that could be astronomical.

What was voat's profit last quarter? What is voat's projected profit for this quarter? Are you familiar with the phrase "speculative damages?"

And that's not even taking into account the loss of revenue and personal distress caused by the fact that "benign" content (like the voat.co owner's girlfriend's scientific papers) are also no longer hosted.

Are you arguing IIED? Seriously? Additionally, do you have any idea how much "revenue" voat's CEO's girlfriend made off that website? Assuming that was some, you apparently aren't aware that she would file a separate suit claiming all those things since she is not part of the corporate entity.

It's way too early to tell right now, but if the results of our investigation hold true, reddit.com might ultimately be forced to hand a significant portion of its resources to voat.

All the subscribers of FPH. Good riddance.

It wouldn't surprise me if, in a couple of years, voat literally owns reddit.

That's possible, since their future "could be astronomical."

Anyway, if you have any questions, feel free to "ask me anything."

What's your cause of action? How are you overcoming the causation issue? What is your evidence?

I obviously don't expect answers to any of these. I assume that you're so focused on using fallacious arguments because you can't answer what I'm actually asking.

[–]srs_throwaway5302960 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are trying way too hard to reply to an established troll account.

[–]syzmcs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop talking shit.

[–]_TheRooseIsLoose_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They can't prosecute two countries for the same crime!

[–]auandi 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

You realize the site was hosted in Germany and Switzerland right, not the US? So US law means nothing. The EU said that hosters can be held liable for the content they host, and Germany has very strict laws about pro-nazism, holocaust denial or hate speech. If Voat is to be less restrictive the Reddit, and Reddit has a large pro-nazism, holocaust denial and hate speech communities, I'd be panicking about hosting a site like that too. Hosting Voat could send me to jail in Germany if they allow lies about the holocaust to be posted.

[–]abrazenleaf 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

Reddit is losing many readers

Reddit has 170 million unique visitors a day and they lost at most 150k from the FPH ban and maybe another 42k from KiA if it gets banned in the future. Then there are perhaps a couple of thousand free speech advocates who aren't affiliated with KiA that also left or will leave but that's about it. This is not Digg 2.0 sadly, reddit has grown much too large for a bunch of "hateful neckbeards" to make a difference.

Also I'm very skeptical you have any legal grounds here. How are you gonna prove reddit was involved in any of the attacks?

[–]arkain123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah those guys will all be back. This is just a temper tantrum.

[–]CFGX 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing.

[–]ClientNineNYC 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

No fucking lawyer is going to go on the internet and accuse another company's legal department of vague malfeasance based on admittedly "unconfirmed" information.

You're an embarrassment. Get off the internet.

[–]Ramady 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lawyer here

Some have suggested that niche political activism groups on reddit are responsible

[Citation Fucking Needed]

[–]angrysquareSpace Hulkamaniac 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can you provide proof that you are actually a legal professional?

[–]Sikletrynet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a lawyer in North Korea

[–]AntiTrustLaw[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Would being confirmed by the mods be enough? I don't want to post any identifying information in public.

[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah while I am tinfoil enough to believe it I still would need proof with a claim like that.

[–]Revan232 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait what? voat was shut down?

[–]smallhardoncollider 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

My momma stopped giving me breast milk when I was just 2.Can I sue her?

[–]brody3060 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

are you still pushing this retarded-ass bait?

at least it's not a 3 month old repost this time.

[–]Xanza 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

People have been asking me [...]

Plot Twist: absolutely no one asked you anything. You're just an asshole.

[–]Sikletrynet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not a lawyer, stop pretending you are.

[–]syzmcs 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is little to no legal context or merit here. This could have, and has numerous times, been written by any redditor.

[–]AntiTrustLaw[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure why you're defending Reddit's clearly illegal practices.

[–]syzmcs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That post demonstrates why you are either not a lawyer, or a terrible one.

[–]davemee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So do you specialise in German law? Your English is excellent.

[–]readgrid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and not a single word about contract? lawyer lol

[–]based_nerdPicklefucker 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is a common occurrence and that's why shopping for hosts that won't bow to pressure is difficult. But they do exist. Going after someone's hosting only takes harassing their host enough that they think they may get in legal trouble if they further host your content. The same thing goes on with ThePirateBay and other such websites, so to host them they usually just rent front end boxes and proxy_pass to backend machines that can be hosted just about anywhere and when your "site" gets taken down, it's only your front end boxes. Spin up some new ones somewhere else and update your dns, you can even automate it.

Voat should have fucking known better, noobs.

[–]gargantualis -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah. When even Maddox was complaining on his podcast about SJWs mass flagging him via his webhost, you know the cancer is at its peak.

1984ing all digital global communications and casting hate and heathen accusations against contrary or challenging ideas will be the recipe for humanity's decay. Nothing

The enlightenment, scientific, and industrial revolutions and the social expansions they started were the result of people breaking from the pack to give breakthroughs to mankind and not paying lip service to self appointed despots with banhammers and political intolerance posing as soft benevolence.

[–]Iamsherlocked37 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tell me more about how hate speech, racism, and misogyny/misandry contributed to the "enlightenment, scientific, and industrial revolutions." I didn't realize that impotently raging about stuff on the internet was actually a show of enlightenment and progress.

[–]gargantualis -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's an expression I often see in the Chans in between the politically incorrect humour and shitposting they leave for new visitors. IIRC They ask people to " lurk moar ". To ignore the simple labels and read with more analytical perspectives into topics than politically arrested ones. Sometimes in between the shit and weird folk you'll find a lot more blunt truth, than hypersensitive, milquetoast side of the web.

And labels don't really help our modern society. We love in a culture of fear. Knowing more will cleanse that fear. People use labels irresponsibly as online cudgels w/o asking if presumed "misogynist, racists, misandrists" etc are being sarcastic, edgy, contrarian for kicks or establish quantifiable means and patterns of genuine live threatening misanthropy.

Makers, builders and discovers don't ask for simple political labels that tell them what to 'quarantine' themselves from. They look for context, they want to see people argue their positions no matter how untenable to see how wise They are at defending it. Not all innovations given to our society were by social paragons. Everyone has baggage. You just take what info is valuable and ignore the rest.

[–]AntiTrustLaw[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why the legal side of this fight is so important.