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[–]wumbotariandictatorship of the wumbotariat 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remember my trashcan story?

Well Monday was trash day. I unlocked my trashcan and put it on the curb Sunday night. On Monday after the trash was collected, I went outside to put it back and lock it up.

I found it next to my building, but it was already overflowing with trash. Someone dumped their trash (I believe it was mostly dirty diapers) in my trashcan on trash day after the trash was collected. I didn't bother locking it up.

I went outside yesterday and I found that my trashcan was stolen. Someone stole my trashcan while it was full of trash.

I fucking hate my block.

[–]___OccamsChainsaw___Ours *was* the fury. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The other day I had to call the police because two people on my block were having a fistfight over whether one of them could take a wild jackrabbit1 bunny they had found home.

Also, I think you have a muppet problem.


1. Seriously. In Calgary there are fucking rabbits everywhere and there are rabbits fucking everywhere. Even though rats are locally extinct we can never escape the rodent menace.

[–]IntegraldsI am the rep agent AMA 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'll get this thread started.

Friday music

Tonight's drink is a Manhattan.

The paper I'm reading today is the incredibly depressing Back to Square One: Identification Issues in DSGE Models, by Canova and Sala, 2009 JME. This paper went through a long revision process, and the working paper versions contain several instructive examples that were inevitably cut during the refereeing process.

The paper discusses identification, roughly, the extent to which we can learn about our DSGE models' parameters by estimating them with data. The results are somewhat distressing; many DSGE models are under-identified or not identified at all, and Canova is not particularly optimistic. It's a quite destructive paper. This paper kicked off the modern DSGE identification literature, with later papers trying to find conditions under which our models are identified, and if they aren't, what potential tricks we can use to make them identifiable (re-arranging some parameters, tweaking functional forms, using Bayesian priors, etc).

[–]besttrousers"Then again, I have pegged you for a Neoclassical/Austrian." 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]IntegraldsI am the rep agent AMA 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]say_wot_againI guess I mod /r/goodeconomics now? 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could be worse. Your likelihood functions could look like the Great Plains minus the wheat.

[–]say_wot_againI guess I mod /r/goodeconomics now? 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welp, time to shut down /r/dsge. Pack it up, boys and girls. It's all hopeless.

[–]___OccamsChainsaw___Ours *was* the fury. 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tonight's drink is a Manhattan.

Good taste. Here's how I do it, cleaner and slightly sweeter and more citrusey than a traditional:

  • 2 oz Canadian whisk(e)y

  • 1 full oz sweet red vermouth

  • 4 dashes Angosturas

  • 1/4 - 1/2 oz Grand Marnier

Add all to ice-filled mixing glass, stir for 30-40 seconds, pour into ice-filled old-fashioned glass, garnish with lemon twist.

[–]wumbotariandictatorship of the wumbotariat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You and your weeaboo music. Tsk tsk.

ELIHAUD (explain like I have an undergraduate degree): identification. Are you talking about the calibration part of the DSGE?

[–]IntegraldsI am the rep agent AMA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Identification rant!

Suppose you have an AD-AS model.

In math, that model is

  AD: y = a(m - p)

  AS: p = Ep + k(y - ybar)

Suppose you want to know the slopes of the AD or AS curves (in the toy example, the "a" and the "k"). How might you learn about them? Well, you gather up a bunch of data on inflation and output.

Suppose that all the fluctuations in the economy came from AD shifts. You observe the world for 3 years, so you observe 3 AD shifts. Then you'd get this AD-AS picture and this data. You'd be able to regress inflation on growth and get an estimate of the slope of the AS curve, like this, but wouldn't know anything about the slope of the AD curve.

Conversely, if the economy is mostly hit by AS shocks, you get the opposite story: you can estimate the slope of the AD curve, but are ignorant of the slope of the AS curve.

If there are both AS and AD shocks, no amount of (P,Y) data will get you the slopes: you just get a cloud of points! You need to do instrumental variables, or you need some way to isolate demand shocks, or you need some way to isolate supply shocks. You need more than just "model plus data." You cannot identify both supply and demand slopes just from (P,Y) data. You need more than that.

Canova's paper is showing that these problems are endemic in DSGE models: there are a lot of slope parameters that we just cannot identify using the normal data that we use. This is true even though the structure of DSGE models puts enormous discipline on what the various slope coefficients are. Cruelly, the parameters we can identify (the discount rate, the depreciation rate, the share of income going to capital) are parameters that we thought we knew anyway; the parameters we can't identify well (various slope parameters) are the ones we'd really like the data to identify for us. It's all terribly negative.

RBC guys get around it by calibrating. Just prax out the parameters! Let's just assume the AS curve has a slope of 0.5. Well, more specifically, let's pick parameters to match certain facts about the data. Example: we know that interest rates are, on average, about 4%. So we can pick a value of the discount factor that makes the model's interest rate 4%, on average. Continue doing this, picking parameters to hit certain features of the data. Can that get around the identification issue? Yes and no. The problem is: sometimes that calibration procedure isn't enough. No calibration procedure can tell us certain slope parameters, like the slope of the AS curve. Canova's paper is showing us that fancy estimation techniques also have a hard time of telling us about slope parameters. So we need even more advanced machinery.

In one sentence, identification is about whether the data you have are informative about the parameters you seek to understand. (Slightly more formally: identification has to do with the ability to draw inference about the parameters of a theoretical model from an observed sample. Intuitively [depending on your intuition] identification means not-flat likelihood functions. DSGE likelihood functions can have long flat bits, steep cliffs, local extrema, sinkholes, ridges, and all sorts of nasty features.)

[–]commentsrusBring maymayday back! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

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