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[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 1218ポイント1219ポイント  (147子コメント)

this is the same EXACT shit that happened to 8ch and Hotwheels in this EXACT order. Welcome to outrage and censorship culture. Remember this the next time someone says "It's not censorship because you can make your own site."

[–]Fudrucker 571ポイント572ポイント  (55子コメント)

Maybe Kim dotcom should get into the web hosting business. Seems it takes balls to run, these days.

[–]FlameFist 65ポイント66ポイント  (8子コメント)

I wouldn't mind. It would probably go better than Baboom was, anyway.

[–]RedDeadWhore 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

If theres someone who has the tools and knowledge too do this its him.

[–]Jackal_6 152ポイント153ポイント  (42子コメント)

"Hello Mr. Hotdog--I mean, Dotcom. I represent a group of people who wish to express our disgust and abhorrence for the obese in a public forum. Would you care to provide us with your services, you fat disgusting fuck?"

[–]rikkian 282ポイント283ポイント  (10子コメント)

voat =/= FPH

Yes FPH are on voat but they are not all of voat. Hell they even self removed from the frontpage of voat.

[–]xternal7narrative push --force 112ポイント113ポイント  (6子コメント)

The "voat == FPH" thing really reminds me on '8chan was made because gamergate got benned on halfchan' "argument".

[–]Ergheis 36ポイント37ポイント  (0子コメント)

It reminds me of noise done on purpose to try and blot out actual discussion.

[–]razuliserm 86ポイント87ポイント  (14子コメント)

Voat isn't FPH you know. FPH content is mostly getting downvoted as soon as it reaches the frontpage because people don't want it to flood their site.

Shitlords are literally taking to much space posting their hamplanets.

Just because they used Voat as an exodus does not mean Voat is FPH now

[–]Bard_Jungle 87ポイント88ポイント  (13子コメント)

FPH self-removed themselves from /v/all a while ago...

Voat hasn't been crowded with FPH content for a few days now.

[–]theFORESTatNIGHT 88ポイント89ポイント  (43子コメント)

What happened to 8chan?

[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 350ポイント351ポイント  (20子コメント)

8chan was DDoS'd, then kicked of Patreon, then kicked off Gratipay, then iirc had their servers taken down. Basically an endless SJW attack to take it down.

[–]Industrylol 136ポイント137ポイント  (10子コメント)

The servers were never taken down outside of the DDoSing. The domain name was unduly seized after people spammed the registrar with complaints.

[–]______DEADPOOL______ 66ポイント67ポイント  (9子コメント)

was unduly seized after people spammed the registrar with complaints

....

D:

THEY CAN DO THAT??!!!

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes. ICANN is a centralized entity that is heavily influenced by many, many corporations.

This is what makes Namecoin's decentralized DNS so important, and I wish people would start using it so that end users would start adapting to use it. Cram the info into a blockchain, it can't be seized or redirected or otherwise manipulated, unless you own the private keys to alter it.

[–]therealflinchy 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

So do i have it correct that if you have the private keys to the domain name on the blockchain, it's actually yours?

Not 'yours'?

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

That is correct, the information that ties the .bit domain you register is only modifiable through your keys.

https://namecoin.info/?p=video

Much like you can't "take" Bitcoin away from anyone if their keys are kept, in, for example, a "cold storage". Or you could even make a brain wallet in order to have no paper or electronic data laying around with the info on it.

Third parties even have options for you to be able to do it without having to have any actual Namecoin, utilizing any of the existing coins tradeable on shapshift:

https://getdotbit.com/

[–]therealflinchy 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's super cool, i'm going to have to look into it in the morning.

Thankyou!

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, the only problem with it is that default DNS servers, like those provided by ISPs or Google have to add support for it to work out of the box; otherwise the only way for an end user to currently pull them up is to either change their DNS settings in their browser every time (unacceptable) or have a browser plug-in that can access the blockchain in order to route the information (an okay stopgap).

[–]AaronMickDee 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same thing that's happening here. People bitching and moaning and got the service providers to take voat down.

[–]SolidGold54 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

At least this form of censorship isn't new, and a successful remedy has already been found.

[–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 138ポイント139ポイント  (15子コメント)

SJWs tried to have it shut down for about a month before they realized it was futile... Couple of DDOS, whole bunch of slander in the media targeted at the owner...

Shits actually really similar to the past two weeks with VOAT... Whole bunch of hitpieces, and DDOS'ed two or three times.

[–]I_see_dark_people 118ポイント119ポイント  (11子コメント)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Publications

We need to dispel the idea that reddit is a bunch of cool young hip people. It is extremely popular now, and it will only get worse from here.

These sites hit a point where they are too influential to be left unchecked. Slowly they become the corporate monsters that we all know and hate.

[–]-moose- 55ポイント56ポイント  (7子コメント)

you might enjoy

The project list includes a study of how activists with the Occupy movement used Twitter as well as a range of research on tracking internet memes and some about understanding how influence behaviour (liking, following, retweeting) happens on a range of popular social media platforms like Pinterest, Twitter, Kickstarter, Digg and Reddit.

US military studied how to influence Twitter users in Darpa-funded research

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research-twitter-influence-studies

[blog.reddit.com - 08 May 2013] Reddit admins post traffic information. 'Eglin Air Force Base, FL' is listed as "Most addicted city (over 100k visits total)"

https://archive.is/ESyfy


would you like to know more?

https://archive.is/MGeaU

[–]candacebernhard 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

that's funny. if i recall, i too heard of that study... here on reddit.

[–]-moose- 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

you might enjoy

Reddit Users Are Like Sheep A new study shows that users on social news sites view a comment differently based on the judgement of users before them

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/science-shows-how-reddit-users-are-like-sheep-26361635/?no-ist

Researchers Apologize for Gaming Reddit with Fake Accounts

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/researchers-apologize-for-gaming-reddit-with-fake-accounts

[–]Slushij 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Afaik they just changed their address from 8chan.co to 8ch.net

[–]Levy_Wilson 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

8chan was ddosed, then it partnered with 2ch and they host 8chan from the 2ch servers in San Francisco. Then the DNS provider for 8chan got pissy and stole the original domain, leading to the use of the already existing 8ch. HotWheels was essentially forced to take the Japanese version of 8chan down and replace it. But no worries, 8ch is international.

[–]klaus1993 619ポイント620ポイント  (47子コメント)

I'm a hosteurope customer. It's time to cancele that contract.

[–]foegy 492ポイント493ポイント  (9子コメント)

If you actually decide to cancel, email them explaining why.

[–]TheRealMouseRat 78ポイント79ポイント  (5子コメント)

IF? I wish I was a customer there so I could cancel with them.

[–]Trollhydra 52ポイント53ポイント  (4子コメント)

New GG email campaign? =P

[–]SirCaptainMitch 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please god let that happen.

[–]Trollhydra 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

They want to start them back up at Voat.

This could be a first step to revitalizing it. We need more people over there to help get a lot of this kickstarted though.

[–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 96ポイント97ポイント  (0子コメント)

So-very-fucking-much-this.

[–]jotchLikes cis turtles 124ポイント125ポイント  (1子コメント)

Make sure you let them know exactly why.

[–]luxpsycho 69ポイント70ポイント  (32子コメント)

So am I. Not quite cancelling myself yet, but will send them an email saying that I am contemplating it, and that I will keep an eye out for more such behaviour,a nd also how they continue to handle voat's case...

If anyone else is so inclined, their email address for "Anregungen, Lob, Kritik" (Suggestions, Praise & Criticism) is [redacted]

They're a German company but they will also understand English.

Edit: Not allowed to post the email address.

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015[M] 203ポイント204ポイント  (10子コメント)

While I appreciate that contact info for their host, since we're not an SRS-affilitaed subreddit, we're not allowed to have email addresses posted, apparently.

I'm gonna have to ask you to pull that email address, and I can re-approve your post.

Remember: Double standards are for other people.

[–]luxpsycho 46ポイント47ポイント  (4子コメント)

oh okay... can I post a link to a page with the email address?

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015[M] 91ポイント92ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Monkey_Scrotum_Fever 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're one of the cool mods. Just thought I'd let you know.

[–]gummz 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

Are you serious? Is only SRS allowed to post emails?

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015[M] 53ポイント54ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]gummz 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a weird world we live in. Thanks for fighting.

[–]rosary505 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

whoa whoa whoa, we're not allowed to post public contact info for companies anymore. what do you think this is voat?

[–]luxpsycho 17ポイント18ポイント  (8子コメント)

Here is my email (someone please translate it, I have procrastinated enough for today...):

Sehr geehrtes Hosteurope-team,

Ich habe soeben erfahren, dass die populäre Seite voat.co vun Ihnen gehostet wurde, jedoch ohne Warnung oder Dialog ihren Kontrakt gekündigt bekam.

Es beunrihigt mich sehr, dass solche Zensur-ähnliche Methoden von Ihnen angewandt werden. Die Vertragskündigung soll ja scheinbar auf "political incorrectness" beruhen; jedoch ist dies a) heutzutage oft eine übertriebener Ausdruck, und stark subjektiv; und v.A. b) ein Trade-off von Meinungsfreiheit (doch wohl in Grenzen).

Ich bin seit Jahren persönlich ein sehr Zufriedener Hosteuropekunde, aber befürchte jetzt dass das nur so war, weil ich eine "low profile"-Präsenz hatte. Ich habe vor ein paar Wochen eine neue Domain,[redacted], gekauft, und hatte vor eine politisch-orientierte Seite auf meinem Hosteurope-server zu hosten. (Mein NS steht schon bereit, und [hosteurope's secondary NS service] ist auch schon parat synchronisiert.) Allerdings werde ich mir jetzt zweimal überlegen, ob ich es riskieren will dass meine Seite zensiert wird wenn sie an popularität gewinnt.

Ich wünsche zu diesem Zeitpunkt meinen Kontrakt nicht zu beenden, aber werde die Aktivitäten Hosteuropes im Bezug zur Zensur (sogar alttreuer) Kunden weiterhin gespannt verfolgen, um eine Entscheidung über meine Zukunft mit Ihnen zu treffen.

Da ich dieses Geschehen bisher nur von einer Seite gehört habe, bin ich natürlich ganz offen wenn Sie mir Ihren Standpunkt erläutern wollen.

Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

[redacted] Kundennummer [redacted]

Edit 1: redacted my own name... woohps :P

[–]fiah84 33ポイント34ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, basically you're saying that you really really don't like what they're doing, but you're staying anyway, with a weak sauce assurance that you will be watching them. I don't see why they should even take notice

[–]CongenoRule #1: LISTEN & BELIEVE 2268ポイント2269ポイント  (394子コメント)

TIL free speech is politically incorrect.

It really hurts to say this, almost kills me actually. But /pol/ was right again...

[–]Alagos77 634ポイント635ポイント  (221子コメント)

Not saying that they deserved the server shutdown but it might not have been the wisest decision to pick a German host in the first place if you want unlimited free speech: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_by_country#Germany

The hoster also has a clause in their terms and conditions requiring clients to keep to moral standards (= 'Gute Sitten') which might be problematic for an open and uncensored forum.

[–]vandaalen 389ポイント390ポイント  (89子コメント)

Can confirm. Am German. The thought police is alive and well here.

[–]cockshittingmanatee 209ポイント210ポイント  (41子コメント)

They're just terrified of Hitler 2

[–]Gstreetshit 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ironically. Their current policies along with a lot of Europe are causing a steep rise in Nationalism.

[–]cogitansiuvenis 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, their policies are insane in respect to trying to curb extreme nationalistic tendencies.

[–]Phrygue 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hitler's bogeymen were the Communists and Jews; the current bogeyman is Hitler. And so the cycle of excuses continues.

[–]ClutchHunter 59ポイント60ポイント  (15子コメント)

Is it as bad as it is here in England? It's borderline presumption of guilt at this point.

[–]vandaalen 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a little bit better than in the UK or Australia, but our history still serves as a strawman to make people shut up who voice an opinion left or right of the general consense.

There are basically three clubs available to beat people who choose to think about things considered to be "dangerous" thoughts:

  • The Nazi/Anti-semite Club - the biggest of them all. Preferably pulled when voicing that not everything the Israeli governement does is super duper nice and that maybe we shouldn't deliver weapons to them, but also useful against people who oppose uncontrolled imigration and/or despise of what they call "The Islamisation of the Occident."

  • The R.A.F./left extremists club. Much smaller and preferably pulled when there is beef with the police on demonstrations. Usable to make "normal" people keep away from demonstrations.

  • The GDR club. Also a bigger one, preferably used against the left party "Die Linke" in order to discredit their message.

[–]INSIDIOUS_ROOT_BEER 42ポイント43ポイント  (4子コメント)

worse, i think. but then the germans have been known to get a racist circlejerk going then acting out on it.

[–]envirosani 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's way worse in england than in germany at the moment. In germany you only get a problem if you're leaning too far to the right but that's about it.

[–]Why_The_Flame 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sealand is the best place, they couldn't give a flying fuck as hosting is thier national industry.

[–]NotYourMothersDildo 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've done research into hosting large sites that require higher security or privacy at Sealand twice. Unfortunately the bandwidth costs were so high that making a business decision to host there simply for privacy is tough when the site is high-traffic. That was a few years ago though, maybe it has improved.

[–]BlockPuppet 115ポイント116ポイント  (19子コメント)

/pol/ is always right, all you had to do was listen

[–]kalphis 669ポイント670ポイント  (58子コメント)

Hosting providers requiring safe spaces - This is exactly what would start a cascading effect to censor the internet.

[–]vonxeon 116ポイント117ポイント  (27子コメント)

They are just opening the floodgates to the rapid expansion of a "black market" internet, where people will be able to discuss things without censorship.

[–]VYR3 148ポイント149ポイント  (17子コメント)

yup, I'm sure someone is already making a deepweb reddit as we speak.

everyone interested in finding a place in the deep web for uncensored chat, please download Tor.

https://www.torproject.org/download/download

remember Tor is not a fix all, you must change browsing habits if you want to use it for anonymity, use lesser known search engines and such with it.

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015[M] 122ポイント123ポイント  (12子コメント)

Hmm, you seem to have been shadowbanned.

You'll need to talk to the admins to see about getting it lifted.

I've approved your post.

[–]VYR3 103ポイント104ポイント  (8子コメント)

Wow, I've been shadow-banned for making a comment about using Tor. thanks for letting me know.

Edit: it had to have happened within the last 7 days because I have 3 up votes on a comment I made 7 days ago then nothing on the rest.

Edit2: Looks like I got caught with some spammy IP address, is all fixed now.

[–]foxdye22 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, you were shadowbanned before the comment on tor. The fact that the mod has to approve your post means you were already shadowbanned. Did you try starting a FPH clone?

[–]sticky-bit 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

We have to block any attempt to use a darknet. Someone somewhere might use it to commit a crime or something. It's too bad about that "free speech" thingy though... They thought pretty highly of that thing back in the 19th century, but why should we listen to a bunch of dead white guys?

[–]J2383Wiggler Wonger 166ポイント167ポイント  (17子コメント)

Hosting providers requiring safe spaces - This is exactly what would start a cascading effect to censor the internet.

I'm sure "they" would respond by saying that censorship is only when governments do it, but I think that GG has shown the power of social tyranny to censor and squash dissent far more effectively than governments.

[–]Binturung 20ポイント21ポイント  (8子コメント)

I wonder where they even got that notion from? The act isn't tied to,any specific body...

[–]ACDMBR 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's because some Americans can't separate the concept of free speech from the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, which indeed only protects you from the government: "Congress shall make no law..." etc.

Of course the concept of free speech isn't limited to the 1st Amendment, but some people are just stupid. Or dishonest.

[–]J2383Wiggler Wonger 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the idea that censorship is only censorship when the government does it stems from the understanding that the government can't force a private entity to allow all speech...I'm not going to win a lawsuit on first amendment grounds against my employer just because he fired me for calling him a pussy with weak game. That is, of course, entirely true; a private business or person can and should be able to choose who to allow on its property and remove them for any reason.

This is kind of like those "legal highs" you see in gas stations...many people make the false assumption that because the government isn't stopping you, then there's no issue whatsoever with it. An example that gets brought up from time to time on KiA and TiA in the past no-platforming was almost never used and the free market determined what ideas were shared, now you have students who seem to think a valid form of "protest" flaunting the fact that they won't hear much less consider alternate viewpoints because they aren't having their ideas challenged.

I think without being challenged and debated with the mental muscles needed to support one's viewpoint atrophy and all they can do is repeat the exact same things they said in the hope that you won't again modify your argument to again show why they are wrong.

I know he is the bad guy, but I think the MCU's Loki was right: mankind craves subjugation. The ease with which we give up freedom and liberty is terrifying. When you don't have the ability to see the broad perspective, it's very tempting to give excessive powers to the people in charge so they can keep you safe and comfortable. The problem, of course, is always what happens next: legal authority is almost never given up without war, and power that at one point may have been intended to help will inevitably be in the hands of someone who does not have the same ideals as you or worse still is actively abusing that power.

[–]harry_h00d 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think without being challenged and debated with the mental muscles needed to support one's viewpoint atrophy

Exactly. A very wise person once said to me, "Intelligence is knowing what it is you don't know." There are things all of us will get wrong, or not know about, or go against our current knowledge base. When we turn our backs on these things that challenge us, these gaps in our limited knowledge, it is not only lazy, but, like you said, atrophic.

I like to think I'm fairly intelligent, and I have lost the vast majority of debates and logical challenges I have entered. Instead of insulating myself in my ignorance or myopia, I have learned so much more from these defeats than I ever did in victory.

[–]TheCid 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

That XKCD which conflated the abstract notion of freedom of speech with the specific implementation of the first amendment is incredibly popular among these types.

I'm not sure if that started it, but it's certainly been their default justification for their bullshit for a while now.

[–]tekende 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

What I love is how that terrible xkcd strip is thrown around as if it's some kind of debate-ending authority on the subject. Boom, Randall Munroe said this so you're WRONG.

[–]StormtrooprDave 1140ポイント1141ポイント  (140子コメント)

Some people are really intent on making sure voat is not successful.

[–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 462ポイント463ポイント  (43子コメント)

People who hate competition so much they normalized participation trophies... Everyone's a winner when no one plays amirite.

[–]vandaalen 179ポイント180ポイント  (33子コメント)

It's not about competition. It's about centralizing structures for the benefits of better control over it. The internet brought an end to the limitations people had on voicing their opinion and spreading news.

All you need is a connection to the internet and you are able to provide everything you want in written or spoken word or even in film, as opposed to before, where you needed money, broadcasting licenses and publication channels.

Places like reddit, where millions of users, respectively citizens, culmulate are ideal places to model and influence the public opinion. All places who are operated at least with some kind of intent to make money/a living from them, or who become them, will inevitably be sold to big media conglomerates sooner or later and submit to the interests of the elites.

It's valuable to hinder "competitors" from arising as good as possible and to impende places where free speech is still valued to grow beyond a critical mass.

[–]sudo-intellectual 104ポイント105ポイント  (25子コメント)

This is why I want reddit to die

EDIT: You guys are funny, I don't really care that much, it's an off the cuff remark. If reddit imploded and disappeared I would laugh and say good riddance. Until then, I'll keep using it and enjoying it whilst still mostly hating it.

[–]hels 72ポイント73ポイント  (17子コメント)

I am currently half reddit/half voat. My plan is to slowly leave reddit and only use voat. I don't know how much you use voat but if you want reddit to die then use it less and less.

[–]Trilandian 418ポイント419ポイント  (59子コメント)

So political incorrectness is grounds for terminating a web-hosting contract nowadays?

What in the actual fuck is this world coming to?

[–]xwm 205ポイント206ポイント  (27子コメント)

Reddit hosts coontown. We should tell their providers so they can wipe the site in one hit... (Hello mainstream news)

[–]flee_market 152ポイント153ポイント  (15子コメント)

It's simple - leak to a small news station somewhere that /r/coontown is responsible for Charleston. The massively incestuous, plagiaristic news site clusterfuck will pick it up and take it from there.

[–]MonsterBlash 26ポイント27ポイント  (8子コメント)

Hahahahaha. You're not part of the media. You can't just inject news in the media like that. The media decides if they want to tarnish a site, then they "leak it" like you said.

Not you, you're not part of the media.

[–]crypticfreak 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

Step 1: Infiltrate the media

Step 2: Forget why you infiltrated the media in the first place

Step 3: Profit

[–]MonsterBlash 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Step 1: Infiltrate the media.
Step 2: Realize pay isn't too bad.
Step 3: Join the media cartel.

[–]crypticfreak 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Step 4: Take your shitposting skills mainstream

Step 5: Retire as a billionaire

[–]Rasalom 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a valid point of contention, though. FPH didn't cause anyone to shoot a Weight Watchers meeting or buffet up.

Coontown still exists, isn't banned, and look, racism proliferates and causes people to die. Why does reddit support keeping coontown up in light of current events?

[–]captmarx 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

Do you want them to censor coontown?

If they're going to be fascists, they should be consistent fascists so I can complain more exhaustively.

Do you really want these SJWs to start acting with total integrity to their beliefs?

[–]craftyj 45ポイント46ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think he meant wipe all of Reddit, not just ban the sub or whatever.

[–]xwm 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much this. I would love watching the media shitstorm.

[–]ACDMBR 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

So political incorrectness is grounds for terminating a web-hosting contract nowadays?

Depends on the contract, doesn't it? If the contract has a clause saying "I can terminate this contract at any time if you ever upload any content that I don't like", then it's perfectly legal.

It might even be a good business decision, depending on how unpopular/controversial the deleted content is.

Simple calculation: will the good will generated from our public support of free speech have enough of a positive impact on our revenue and public image to balance out the bad press generated from hosting "questionable" content?

apparently, someone thought no.

[–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 37ポイント38ポイント  (13子コメント)

An end hopefully. Failed experiment imo

[–]Seruun 178ポイント179ポイント  (30子コメント)

I am glad that the damage has been minimal, but I am disappointed that contract terminations without warning or other limitations over "politically incorrect content" are a thing now.

[–]GirlbeardJ 55ポイント56ポイント  (11子コメント)

I am disappointed that contract terminations without warning or other limitations over "politically incorrect content" are a thing now

They are probably breaking their own contract too. I'd be suprised if there wasn't something that says the hosting company have to give notice before cutting off service. If there isn't then people should reconsider whether they want to use that particular host when they could get shut down at any time without being told beforehand.

[–]Okymyo 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

Unfortunately I'm not aware of a single provider that states they'll give warnings. All of the ones I use for myself always state they can shutdown immediately without prior warning, because otherwise if someone's abusing the network (DDoS), or hosting illegal content (like CP), they'd need to wait. If someone's DDoSing and bringing your network down, you can't exactly wait. Same thing applies if you have the cops on your door.

[–]hadhad69 15ポイント16ポイント  (6子コメント)

They gave them some sort of notice

Luckily, we have managed to move our databases to a cloud platform mere hours before they shut down our servers.

[–]GirlbeardJ 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

Our hosting provider, hosteurope.de has terminated all our contracts and shut down all our servers without issuing a warning or trying to talk to us

Source

I think that moving their databases before being shut down was just a lucky coincidence, unless I'm reading it wrong.

[–]Fiilu 213ポイント214ポイント  (52子コメント)

Fuck. Now I'm calling it, free speech on the internet will be significantly limited within the next 10 years or so in the name of safe spaces. And naturally this will be abused in ever increasing ways. I wonder if the people supporting this have ever picked up a fucking history book. This is how it always begins. First you stop something that almost everyone agrees that is distasteful. Then you stop those who defended the freedom of speech. Next something slightly less universally distasteful and those who defend free speech again.. And that loop repeats until only ideas approved by those in power are accepted.

This is the pattern in each and every censorship movement. If you defend free speech, then you are simply labeled to be all of the things that people find distasteful. "Oh, so you are one of them, aren't you?" And yet again the people who like the idea of only their opinions being allowed don't realize that of course the people in power will abuse their position, why the hell wouldn't they?

So depressing.. I thought the internet would be the end of such censorship, but human nature to dominate seems to be coming trough.

[–]TwistedPerson 61ポイント62ポイント  (20子コメント)

It's like the porn filters in the UK. My ISP's "content lock" kept re-enabling itself randomly then turning off again, usually blocking Reddit, which is how I noticed. I complained about this, and the canned response ended with; "I hope you understand that this is for the welfare of children".

They did solve the problem (it was on their end), and on the phone their advisor entirely agreed that it was nanny state nonsense, but yet, it is the company line to state that it's for the welfare of children.

I'm sick of children being used as the defence for limiting the dissemination of information, now we also have "safe spaces" too. Fuck political correctness.

[–]lmdrasil 48ポイント49ポイント  (4子コメント)

UK officials, keeping children safe, whilst raping them!

[–]TwistedPerson 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

This whole paedophilia scare in the last two decades definitely feels like those who were actually harming kids were projecting their own insecurities from commiting those crimes onto the rest of the population.

Similar to how it's not uncommon to find a gay person who is closeted and very very anti-gay.

[–]Lord_Derp_The_2nd 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

Similar to how its not uncommon to find an SJW who is EXTREMELY racist and sexist?

[–]TwistedPerson 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds about right. That's also part Horseshoe Theory too.

[–]marinuso 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, of course you can't have child porn, who do you think you are, a lord or something?

[–]afriend96 72ポイント73ポイント  (1子コメント)

This describes what happened to Reddit to a T.

Reddit originally allowed pretty much anything as long as it was legal. Then they shut down the "jailbait" subreddits because of bad press brought on by shitredditsays. People who complained about the censorship were accused of being pedophiles. Now they've gone a step further with the ban on FPH.

[–]duffmanhb 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why people were so against it to begin with. They didn't want to set precedent.

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck. Now I'm calling it, free speech on the internet will be significantly limited within the next 10 years or so in the name of safe spaces.

I'm going to fight it until they throw me back in jail. Support decentralized alternatives like getaether.net, dogeyip.com, mercbay.com, anything else that distributes the servers amongst the end users so that it can never be taken down.

Maybe it's time for me to think about cramming a forum into fedoracoin's blockchain.

[–]Sivarian 708ポイント709ポイント  (156子コメント)

But y'know guys, people calling us 'toxic' and telling various subs to leave the site wouldn't possibly then continue to hound them!

We're not dealing with hateful vindictive liars, right? I thought they were accepting!

All that constant talk of "get your own site" or "go somewhere else." Well people did, and this happened.

[–]NoDoThis 16ポイント17ポイント  (13子コメント)

Just curious, a guy there mentioned the server host is a German company and that Germany has different rules about "political correctness"... Was he being facetious, or would that mean that the site does go against what the German company has to adhere to?

[–]No-Shit-Sherlock 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

Germany has very strict and broad hate speech laws (Volksverhetzung) and unauthorized symbol laws (Strafgesetzbuch section 86a) that stem from the Allies post-war denazification efforts. The host is simply complying with German law by suspending the account (esp since fatpeoplehate migrated there) and if voat wanted a totally free speech platform they should have known better than to host it there. But my guess is (tinfoil hat time) that they knew damn well that by hosting it in Germany this would eventually happen and intend to milk the press about "Violation of Free Speech" for all its worth despite the fact they are afforded no such protections under German law.

[–]Begna112 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could also just be cause german peering and bandwidth are some of the best and cheapest. In my experience, only dutch (netherlands) servers get better but they're much more expensive.

[–]non_consensual 475ポイント476ポイント  (118子コメント)

Really they don't want us to leave. They want us to admit that we're wrong. They want us to start subscribing to their identity politic bullshit.

They've made it this far and they'll be damned if there's going to be a new community pop up that offers free expression and competition.

They truly are a cancer.

[–]-moose- 38ポイント39ポイント  (9子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mn6O4blB1A&t=10s

Reddit, Imgur and Twitch team up as 'Derp' for social data research

The alliance will offer data to universities, offering academics access to information to promote cross-platform study

https://archive.is/zrqtD

Feds Creating Database to Track ‘Hate Speech’ on Twitter

$1 Million study focuses on internet memes, ‘misinformation’ in political campaigns

https://archive.is/sSJk7

The government wants to study ‘social pollution’ on Twitter

https://archive.is/TyILa

Facebook tinkered with users’ feeds for a massive psychology experiment

https://archive.is/m2TLy


The project list includes a study of how activists with the Occupy movement used Twitter as well as a range of research on tracking internet memes and some about understanding how influence behaviour (liking, following, retweeting) happens on a range of popular social media platforms like Pinterest, Twitter, Kickstarter, Digg and Reddit.

US military studied how to influence Twitter users in Darpa-funded research

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/darpa-social-networks-research-twitter-influence-studies

[blog.reddit.com - 08 May 2013] Reddit admins post traffic information. 'Eglin Air Force Base, FL' is listed as "Most addicted city (over 100k visits total)"

https://archive.is/ESyfy


would you like to know more?

https://archive.is/MGeaU

[–]Rommel79 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% correct. It used to be enough to say "agree to disagree," but that's not enough now. You will be made to care.

[–]Godzirra490 30ポイント31ポイント  (50子コメント)

Who are "they"?

[–]Sivarian 120ポイント121ポイント  (43子コメント)

We call 'em SJWs a lot but the long form is that they're hyper politically correct douchenozzles. Claiming you're hateful of the RIGHT people for the RIGHT reasons is the newest 'thing.'

The usual M.O. is political correctness, tone policing, and finding breathtakingly impressive ways to shout down, silence, or ignore any opinion that might possibly challenge their worldview. First it's demanding safe spaces and trigger warnings, but it seems to universally turn into simply demanding the removal of anything they seem offensive outright.

[–]Jonas223XC 57ポイント58ポイント  (17子コメント)

SJW's are the result of hyper-protective helicopter parents... My theory is that, basically, SJW's grew up being given whatever they wanted and their parents attempted to shelter them from anything they deem as potentially hurtful... this of course occured regardless of whether that challenge would result in constructive character growth.

[–]Solringen 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont know, i think the individual character plays a part too. I was raised by such parents you describe, always trying to shelter me from everything. It only made me more eager to seek out the truth and understand the world for what is really is.

[–]DStoo 77ポイント78ポイント  (38子コメント)

Why are you all still trying to put a unified front end on something like this?

Go back to the original decentralized design specs of the Internet. Distributed. "Shutting down" a server is small peanuts compared to what it was designed for. Internet was designed from the ground up to withstand a nuclear attack on any one part of it.

NNTP and IRC.

Was NNTP perfect? No. So build a distributed moderation / voting system on top of NNTP. If you want to help the cause, act as a NNTP relay. If you want to make it accessible to more people put a front end on it. (http://web-news.sourceforge.net) Edit: Project not on SF: http://arkanis.de/projects/nntp-forum/ [Or more here]

I see that you're already chatting on IRC. (Drop by say hi) It'll be an interesting day in the world if SJWs figure out how to take down an entire IRC network. And if they have any ideas on how to do it I'm sure the Russian and Chinese governments would love to hear it.

And if you really want hide/make it hard switch to a dark net like Tor, I2P or Freenet.

If you're afraid of censorship follow the pirates and the drugs. Governments and multinational corporations have been trying to figure out how to censor them for decades.

[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

To be fair, people shouldn't have to resort to using the same channels as drug dealers to talk about video games and fat people.

[–]DStoo 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

Shouldn't have to and and need to are separate things.

I shouldn't have to go underground to get anti-seizure medicine for my kids.

I shouldn't have to go underground to talk about disagreeing with the government.

I shouldn't have to get a VPN to watch content in America from a Canadian IP address.

But the battle lines are clear. "Easy and simple" (Aka, accessible and free) has been won by SJW. (Twitter, Facebook).

KIA and GG needs a place to regroup. It looked like it could be Voat but "they" managed to take down a server hosted in Germany for "political incorrectness". If you give them a simple single target to take down they'll flood it using what ever they can.

What I've suggested has been designed against a literal nuclear attack. Meaning if SJW are willing to strap a nuclear bomb to themselves and run into where we are discussing things our message will still survive.

Drive a nuclear weapon into Amazon's EC2 and see how many "You broke Reddit" messages you get.

Edit: Grammar.

[–]kingemocut[S] 45ポイント46ポイント  (5子コメント)

sourceforge? i guess you've not kept up to date with sourceforge locking out devs FROM THEIR OWN STUFF and then replacing the installers with virus filled ones. i'd prefer to stay a hour on tumblr than use sourceforge right now.

[–]centrum5555 106ポイント107ポイント  (16子コメント)

this actually promoted me to donate to them. god i am starting to hate the words "political correctness" "save space" & "inclusivity"

[–]DerberAuner 46ポイント47ポイント  (6子コメント)

god i am starting to hate the words "political correctness"

only now? PC has been a problem for a while.

[–]Kar98_Byf42 71ポイント72ポイント  (20子コメント)

LOL, voat was hosted in .de??? I could have told you that would lead to censorship.

[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 554ポイント555ポイント  (103子コメント)

Do you motherfuckers understand now? DO YOU? Let me spell it out one more time for the densest among you.

This. Is. Not. Just. About. Video games.

These people want to destroy those of you who speak out and control the rest. You've seen them talk on twitter and tumblr, they will happily put you to death if they could and drink your tears while doing so. Video games is one front of a much larger war. It does not begin or end with video games and if you don't fight you are going to lose so much more than just a hobby. This is the end of the war, they have been winning it for years. Gamergate was a surprise resistance that popped up after our "forces" had been routed and slaughtered on the altar of social justice for decades. If you want to live in a world where some histrionic pampered brat and her sniveling cohorts can cry harassment and shut down entire websites then yeah sure do nothing just protect the vidya I guess. If that idea disgusts you then it is time to stand up if you haven't already and fight them on every level. Remember Shirtgate? Remember how they made a motherfucking scientist cry on what should have been the best day of his life? Over a shirt? It's not just about video games these people are monsters in human skin. Fight them!

[–]Xzal 92ポイント93ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm saddened though because this is becoming so big an issue, that even broaching this kind of subject to a neutral becomes a "Well where do we start" issue, but you cannot drip feed this "history" either because it all ties in.

If you drip feed this history it just looks like a series of isolated incidents and doesn't stick in their heads.

So the only "result" is for them to experience it themselves, which is slowly happening, but its no good to do this either, because it allows the SJW framework to take root and like all weeds, takes FOREVER to get out.

[–]usul1628 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

If you ask the paleoconservatives, it goes back to the progressive movement in the US, neoreactionaries, point to the English Civil War and the puritans. The first is obvious, at least in the US. The second requires using that the old progressive base was the temperance movement to trace the line back to the puritans. To be fair, when the puritans were running England after the civil war, they tried to ban Christmas because it was too much fun, and that sounds very SJWy to me

[–]MonsterBlash 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the worst problem of it all is that people who are "losing at life" and/or are "angry at life" join the side pushing for censorship, just so they can "win". The crabs in a bucket is strong with this.

"If I'm not having fun, nobody can have fun."

[–]RedPill4LYF 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

They absolve themselves of all accountability by laying blame on others, and they will do or say anything to make that happen. An SJW will never fight a fair fight. They will sooner change the rules of the battlefield to a sure win for them than face you on it directly. This behavior is predictable, and we need to get smart about seeing it coming to head it off.

[–]MonsterBlash 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm talking more of the "friends of SJW", they get into that terrorist organization not because they believe in the cause, but because they are butthurt at the world.

[–]KindaConfusedIGuess 31ポイント32ポイント  (11子コメント)

Of course it's not just about video games, and it's not just about "social justice" either. Do you not remember who is behind this whole crusade that they're running? DIGRA is funded by DARPA. DARPA is a part of the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. Our enemy is literally the US government, but it seems that anytime somebody brings up this connection that we have known since almost the beginning, they get downvoted into oblivion.

This is a war of censorship and control, they're just trying to use SJWs as their little internet army to push it.

[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pretty much. I think a lot of the people who cry "tinfoil!" are just in denial. They don't want to contemplate a truth as scary as that.

[–]KindaConfusedIGuess 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. And it almost seems like that truth is being suppressed and distracted from.

[–]TheCid 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Video games (Gamergate).
Sci-fi (Sad Puppies).
Comics (no direct counter yet).
TV/movies (no direct counter yet).
Atheism (the anti-Atheism+ crowd).
The tech industry (no direct counter yet).
College campuses (FIRE).

And I've seen a whiff of this in a number of other places - boardgames/cardgames have already picked it up.

SJWs are the new culture war. We have to fight them everywhere.

[–]frankenmine/r/WerthamInAction - #ComicGate 135ポイント136ポイント  (22子コメント)

Clearly, SJWs complaint-brigaded the host, and they capitulated because they were unfamiliar with or sympathetic to such tactics.

[–]lol4liphe 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a lot of sensationalist posts about this, I get it it's a heated topic. But I'm pretty sure you're the one that is correct. This extremely vocal minority can seems like a majority if you're not familiar with their tactics.

[–]kingemocut[S] 88ポイント89ポイント  (2子コメント)

er.... i think it's too late to add this now, but uh... [censorship]

[–]smurge 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone get me in contact with Voat.co

I live on the internet. In fact I own several companies and have several friends who own massive businesses on the internet. I am willing to introduce him to those people and let them use their servers.

Shoot me a P.M. if any of you can get me in touch with them.

[–]Limon_Lime7-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

For political incorrectness? Gee, I wonder who reported them for that.

[–]Namrok 61ポイント62ポイント  (10子コメント)

I figured this would happen. Everyone kept saying "Just leave reddit, and a new competitor will show up. Reddit will die, reddit 2.0 will live, and then eventually reddit 2.0 will suck and it will all happen again."

But in case it's not obvious, the game is rigged. They'll do everything in their power to crush competitors, except honestly compete with them. It's crap like this which makes it all the more important to actually fight for reddit, however that is possible.

[–]xwm 51ポイント52ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or fight for voat, who is actually trying to stay afloat. They are back up with a new host. If people keep shutting them down it will get press.

[–]Virus111[🍰] 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or fight for voat, who is actually trying to stay afloat. They are back up with a new host. If people keep shutting them down it will become a ghost.

FTFY

RHYMES!

[–]Soupias 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Too bad they were unsuccessful in stopping voat. Yes, I am still here and there as well but it will not take long for voat to grow even more and give me no reason to continue using reddit.

Also, these attacks made me rethink my stance with voat and now I will become a donator.

[–]thousandsofhoursgone 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

The days of the Wild Web are just starting to shrink into the distance. You can thank not only the gov. pushing for legal regulation (they'll get what they want eventually) but also the users, SJW scum. They've gone so far Left they've actually circumnavigated the spectrum and ended up Right.

Would you like a peek into the minds of these people? /r/tumblrinaction

[–]Orlyborly 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Starting to think that the illusion of choice (i.e. Left vs. right paradigm), is starting to fall apart. The reality behind the illusion is much, much shittier. When people as a group aren't told what to hate, they just end up hating everything.

[–]AceJohnny 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you think a German provider is going to back your free speech, you're going to have a bad time.

Germany is pretty infamous for its censorship. Remember all those videogames that are either forbidden or have to be modified for the german market?

[–]Spo1ler 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Making internet a "safer place" one website at a time. What a fucking joke, what a fucking world to live in.

[–]Aurondarklord 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

Free speech is essentially dead in Europe, express the wrong opinion and you can expect a visit from the cops, a chilling vision of where we're heading when even creating a platform to PERMIT free speech is considered unacceptable.

[–]BoiseNTheHood 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs really are like the chick in Fatal Attraction. They're stage 5 clingers to a scary degree. They go into orbit at the mere thought of people leaving their haven of censored, curated content.

And spare me the "it's their business, they can do what they want, just go elsewhere" crap. Wherever anti-SJWs go is followed by DDOS attacks and reports to the site's hosting service. It happened to 8chan and now Voat. Don't tell us to "just go elsewhere" when you do everything in your power to shut "elsewhere" down.

[–]thelordofcheeseCalled out the heads of Wikimedia, like a BOSS 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is doubleplus ungood... for hosteurope!

[–]lispychicken 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

We did this to ourselves by giving every SJW, beta, doormat, crybaby, special interest group, PC supertard, and meek individual the time of day and listening to, AND acting upon their hurt feelings.

Instead of saying "go away" or "then don't come here" or "don't read this".. we said "okay, we'll change for you". We should've told them all to shut up and color.

"well I am not bothered by it because it doesn't affect me". Yeah maybe not that one subreddit, thought, social idea, etc.. but something you love or like will be vilified and you'll be left standing in the cold wondering what happened. You'll be asked to be banned, fired, or otherwised punished for a behavior someone else doesn't like. It's not enough that they ignore you any longer.. they want to see you suffer.

The problem is, those asking to see/asked to see others suffer, are now seeing themselves suffer, but that ball is already rolling downhill. "but I didn't mean me..I just wanted you punished". Too late.

[–]jack-dawed 24ポイント25ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'm beginning to notice the stark similarities between SJWs and Muslim extremists.

[–]readgrid 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please note that it's not just removal of 'problematic' material.

It's personal persecution based on political views: ALL his sites were terminated. That's how far hosteurope.de went.

[–]Jack-Browser/r/TheCommentGraveyard 37ポイント38ポイント  (27子コメント)

How is that a viable business decision, anywhere??!! Will keep the company in mind for my personal shitlist (growing quite long, to be honest)

[–]Dank_Sparknugz 52ポイント53ポイント  (7子コメント)

They were probably getting a bunch of harassing phone calls and emails from SJWs, so they just terminated instead of dealing with it.

[–]deathonwingz 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly at this point it's probably easier to make a whitelist of companies that aren't shit.

[–]subreddit_llama 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Capitalism is Dead. Customers don't have to be your customers anymore."

[–]ActualFrenchFag 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know Hosteurope, but the cheapest hosters will always do it. They don't care if the client is right, it will always cost them too much to handle a special case.

[–]werno 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Terminating one contract for a site that recently blew up massively (you probably don't get your money's worth anymore on contract) and poses a media risk if the stuff posted there ever makes the news and you're implicated? Pretty fucking viable. They're still operating, tell me what's not viable about refusing business.

[–]FireReadyAim 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Getting rid of awful customers is an amazing business decision.

[–]Jonmad17 35ポイント36ポイント  (11子コメント)

Inb4 someone posts that asinine xkcd comic. Free speech in an Enlightenment concept that goes beyond government intervention. It's useless if you don't have a platform to articulate your thoughts.

[–]Hubinator 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

ITT: A lot of incorrect prejudices about "freedom" in Germany.

[–]Oinkidoinkidoink 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't know german laws regarding a webhosts legal liability for the content he hosts but you have to remember, in Germany(or anywhere else in Europe as far as I know) free speech rights are not as extensive as in America. So, if they host something that a german court would likely see as hate-speech, it might be prudent for them to shut it down. So, this might not simply be a bullshit PR thing.

[–]gibberishparrot 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Take it from a gay dude, just as there are people who will fight tooth and nail for freedom, equality, fairness, there will undoubtedly be people out there who will fight tooth and nail to prevent it.

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 44ポイント45ポイント  (22子コメント)

Hmmmmmm..are the SJWs behind this or is it Reddit? Would be pretty interesting to know.

[–]fuck_you2 53ポイント54ポイント  (5子コメント)

A bunch of whiny twitter users or one of the biggest websites in the world? Hmmmmm

[–]Ergheis 42ポイント43ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's the same thing.

[–]Tallim 55ポイント56ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the biggest websites in the world, run by a bunch of whiny twitter users.

Checks out.

[–]Wallace_Grover 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

SJWs behind this or is it Reddit

SJWs ARE reddit.