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[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 354 points355 points356 points  (67 children)
Do you motherfuckers understand now? DO YOU? Let me spell it out one more time for the densest among you.
This. Is. Not. Just. About. Video games.
These people want to destroy those of you who speak out and control the rest. You've seen them talk on twitter and tumblr, they will happily put you to death if they could and drink your tears while doing so. Video games is one front of a much larger war. It does not begin or end with video games and if you don't fight you are going to lose so much more than just a hobby. This is the end of the war, they have been winning it for years. Gamergate was a surprise resistance that popped up after our "forces" had been routed and slaughtered on the altar of social justice for decades. If you want to live in a world where some histrionic pampered brat and her sniveling cohorts can cry harassment and shut down entire websites then yeah sure do nothing just protect the vidya I guess. If that idea disgusts you then it is time to stand up if you haven't already and fight them on every level. Remember Shirtgate? Remember how they made a motherfucking scientist cry on what should have been the best day of his life? Over a shirt? It's not just about video games these people are monsters in human skin. Fight them!
[–]Xzal 51 points52 points53 points  (4 children)
I'm saddened though because this is becoming so big an issue, that even broaching this kind of subject to a neutral becomes a "Well where do we start" issue, but you cannot drip feed this "history" either because it all ties in.
If you drip feed this history it just looks like a series of isolated incidents and doesn't stick in their heads.
So the only "result" is for them to experience it themselves, which is slowly happening, but its no good to do this either, because it allows the SJW framework to take root and like all weeds, takes FOREVER to get out.
[–]usul1628 12 points13 points14 points  (3 children)
If you ask the paleoconservatives, it goes back to the progressive movement in the US, neoreactionaries, point to the English Civil War and the puritans. The first is obvious, at least in the US. The second requires using that the old progressive base was the temperance movement to trace the line back to the puritans. To be fair, when the puritans were running England after the civil war, they tried to ban Christmas because it was too much fun, and that sounds very SJWy to me
[–]MonsterBlash 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
I think the worst problem of it all is that people who are "losing at life" and/or are "angry at life" join the side pushing for censorship, just so they can "win". The crabs in a bucket is strong with this.
"If I'm not having fun, nobody can have fun."
[–]RedPill4LYF [score hidden]  (1 child)
They absolve themselves of all accountability by laying blame on others, and they will do or say anything to make that happen. An SJW will never fight a fair fight. They will sooner change the rules of the battlefield to a sure win for them than face you on it directly. This behavior is predictable, and we need to get smart about seeing it coming to head it off.
[–]MonsterBlash [score hidden]  (0 children)
I'm talking more of the "friends of SJW", they get into that terrorist organization not because they believe in the cause, but because they are butthurt at the world.
[–]KindaConfusedIGuess 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Of course it's not just about video games, and it's not just about "social justice" either. Do you not remember who is behind this whole crusade that they're running? DIGRA is funded by DARPA. DARPA is a part of the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. Our enemy is literally the US government, but it seems that anytime somebody brings up this connection that we have known since almost the beginning, they get downvoted into oblivion.
This is a war of censorship and control, they're just trying to use SJWs as their little internet army to push it.
[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Pretty much. I think a lot of the people who cry "tinfoil!" are just in denial. They don't want to contemplate a truth as scary as that.
[–]KindaConfusedIGuess 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Indeed. And it almost seems like that truth is being suppressed and distracted from.
[–]TheCid [score hidden]  (0 children)
Video games (Gamergate).
Sci-fi (Sad Puppies).
Comics (no direct counter yet).
TV/movies (no direct counter yet).
Atheism (the anti-Atheism+ crowd).
The tech industry (no direct counter yet).
College campuses (FIRE).
And I've seen a whiff of this in a number of other places - boardgames/cardgames have already picked it up.
SJWs are the new culture war. We have to fight them everywhere.
[–]Spike205 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Just wait until these groups start pressuring the FCC, you know the group that says you can't show nipples on cable TV without being fined to oblivion.
Reddit fails to provide a "safe space" fine ISPs that allow access.
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    [–]OperaSona [score hidden]  (0 children)
    What is so surprising is that it used to be conservatives that fought for enforcing stupid amounts of political correctness, and now it's mostly liberals. People who are SJWs right now use the same methods they despised when they were used to silence atheism or other things that they value.
    [–]RhymesWithPurple- -5 points-4 points-3 points  (13 children)
    A larger war? really? I don't know if this is satire but there are much larger issues than gamergate or whatever dumb internet drama that gains traction on reddit.
    Edit: Looks like the only book this sub reads is 1984.
    [–]AstralThundercunt 7 points8 points9 points  (6 children)
    You're missing the point entirely. GamerGate is not an isolated issue detached, it's just part of a much larger action to silence internet communities and control speech on it.
    Governments and economical interests do not like that anyone can say anything on the internet. The SJW and its spear heads care little for the cause and are puppets in a global move to censor the internet and give control of speech to corporation.
    [–]RhymesWithPurple- [score hidden]  (5 children)
    it's just part of a much larger action to silence internet communities and control speech on it.
    Like banning fph? Whether you like it or not reddit has right to ban anything they want on its website. Their playground their rules.
    Governments and economical interests do not like that anyone can say anything on the internet.
    No one is arguing with that.
    The SJW and its spear heads care little for the cause and are puppets in a global move to censor the internet and give control of speech to corporation.
    You mean bunch of angsty teenagers in twitter. SJWs are not related to CISPA or Net Neutrality. Companies want to maintain their image and if it means appeasing to a more vocal majority then be it. They can censor whatever they want as long as it's within their rights.
    [–]AstralThundercunt [score hidden]  (4 children)
    Like banning fph? Whether you like it or not reddit has right to ban anything they want on its website. Their playground their rules.
    I don't care about FPH, but the body of evidence is there to show that the SJW movement has successfully harassed what were considered free speech zone on the internet.
    You mean bunch of angsty teenagers in twitter. SJWs are not related to CISPA or Net Neutrality. Companies want to maintain their image and if it means appeasing to a more vocal majority then be it.
    Again, you're not seeing farther. I don't care about the individual SJW, but look at people like Pao, Sarkeesian, or even simply the media, it all fit so nicely in the typical framework that is used by governments to fight something they don't like. It's verbatim propaganda techniques, support of the "free" press and all.
    [–]RhymesWithPurple- [score hidden]  (3 children)
    considered free speech zone on the internet.
    Reddit is not a free speech zone. It is owned by a company and so is voat. If you really want to see an unregulated free speech zone go use TOR and see the shit fest.
    Pao, Sarkeesian, or even simply the media, it all fit so nicely it the typical framework that is used by governments to fight something they don't like. It's verbatim propaganda techniques
    Stop with the bullshit conspiracies. They don't work for the government. The media is owned by corporations and is often biased but individuals like Pao and Sarkeesian do what they do because they believe in it not because they are puppets of the government.
    [–]AstralThundercunt [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Stop with the bullshit conspiracies.
    Yeah, because the governments and various interest groups have never manipulated narrative. Oh wait, that's all they do, constantly. Push a narrative with lies, have the press support it, use harsh and emotional keywords and ideas hiding what's the real issue, rince, repeat.
    Being a puppet they are totally blind to the fact that the only reason they are being propelled centre stage is because they have a following and are considered a trusted source by their peer.
    Read on Chomsky, Gustav Lebon, Edward Bernard, and any related authors, then come back here once you've read it all and associated sources and references, and dare say bullshit conspiracy theories after. This is reality, you can't change that, you can hide and cower all you want, doesn't change facts.
    [–]Ingenium21 [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Conspiracy theorists are impossible to argue with. They firmly believe that their ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.
    [–]AstralThundercunt [score hidden]  (0 children)
    His knowledge? What knowledge, where's his backing information?
    I, and anyone defending a similar position to mine, has heaps of serious sources that clearly demonstrate how governments manipulate public discourse and I'm the ignorant one. In this conversation I'm not the one talking out of my ass.
    [–]longbr83 [score hidden]  (0 children)
    You do understand grass roots, right? Large movements of tyranny didn't just start out large. These types of things love for people to rally behind "much more important things" or "this sounds crazy" because it DOES sound crazy until it become a mainstream issue.
    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
    Yes a larger war. The enemy is tyranny and history knows well what happens when tyranny wins the war against freedom. Gamergate is not the issue, internet drama is not the issue. The issue is we are on the verge as a society of losing even the semblance of freedom let alone the actual thing.
    [–]RhymesWithPurple- [score hidden]  (0 children)
    A Company that decides to not associate itself to something that will affect their image has nothing to do with losing freedom. Stop over reacting. The self-entitlement among the millennials is unreal.
    [–]Kamikaze_Douche [score hidden]  (0 children)
    You retards do realise you're using fatpeoplehate as the platform right? No sane person is gonna use that as the "Ya know, maybe they're right." Start off.
    [–]Koiq [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Way to entirely miss the point.
    [–]sysiphean [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Especially given the username, Poe's Law is in full effect here.
    [–]Ergheis comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (0 children)
    That's fine and dandy and all but you guys need better nouns for this.
    [–]Drizu comment score below threshold-19 points-18 points-17 points  (2 children)
    lol
    You've seen them talk on twitter and tumblr, they will happily put you to death if they could and drink your tears while doing so. Video games is one front of a much larger war.
    [–]IanPatrick1966 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
    Have another downpao
    [–]Drizu -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    I'm feeling incredibly censored right now. I'm gonna go to voa...oh wait...
    [–]bomi3ster -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
    This is the end of the war, they have been winning it for years.
    I wish this were true, but sadly it is only the beginning. They won Gamergate, they control the narrative. They are establishing their power, and will only be looking to add to it. Soon this place will be gone, and dissenting voices will be "lost".
    We need to be done with this place, and voat isn't the way. I guess it's infinity for now.
    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    Gamergate is a battle not the war.
    [–]bomi3ster 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    I agree, but the fact that it was a battle, that was lost, is kind of a big deal. GG shows how much a narrative can be controlled. When being right isn't enough, you are playing a rigged game.
    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    I don't agree with that. This battle isn't over.
    [–]AstralThundercunt 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    Yeah, they were very much active years before GamerGate. GamerGate is the first to actually resist efficiently to this cultural fascism US based "activists" are pushing.
    [–]the_nybbler 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
    The are losing Gamergate. They control their narrative in their publications, but nobody but the credulous uninvolved and their own true believers believes it. Most particularly, most of those developing, playing, and commenting on games don't believe it.
    They're going to lose the war for reddit, too, one way or another. Either Ellen Pao's own troubles are going to take her out of the picture and Advance Publications will quietly replace her with someone less censorious, or she's going to bring the site down with her (ending in it being sold in a fire sale).
    [–]nazihatinchimp comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points  (8 children)
    As someone who just lost 9 people in my town because of hate, I think your outrage is misplaced.
    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 10 points11 points12 points  (6 children)
    As someone who more than likely didn't know any of the people who died I think you should kindly shut the fuck up and stop using an unrelated tragedy to shut down discussion of an important issue.
    [–]Monkey_Junk 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    I think you should see it for what it is, an attempt to add perspective. By all means, continue fighting for what you feel is right, but sometimes it couldn't hurt to gain some perspective on life to bring you back into balance.
    If you spend all your time focused on one subject, it can cause you to get tunnel vision, to lose objectivity. Resetting the scale by getting perspective can help you in the long run.
    [–]rainman88 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (1 child)
    important issue.
    I think you need to spend some time outside...
    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
    Funny comment from a guy trolling on KiA.
    [–]nazihatinchimp [score hidden]  (2 children)
    Yes, because businesses should be required to spread hate and incite acts like the one mentioned.
    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Keep up the hyperbole I'm sure someone will agree with you eventually.
    [–]nazihatinchimp [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Millions do. Just not in this cess pool. Reddit is moving on without you. The outrage is gone. You lost. But feel free to circlejerk in this subreddit with your friends about how everyone cares.
    [–]SteampunkSpaceOpera -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
    yep, and /r/coontown still hasn't been banned from reddit.
    [–]eatshitanddienow comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (11 children)
    If you want to live in a world where some histrionic pampered brat and her sniveling cohorts can cry harassment and shut down entire websites then yeah sure do nothing just protect the vidya I guess
    I want to live in a world where a private company can do what it wants a keep bigots and assholes from using its service. Thankfully I do.
    You mother fuckers have no idea what free speech actually is.
    [–]AuditorTux 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
    I want to live in a world where a private company can do what it wants a keep bigots and assholes from using its service.
    Like I always say, wait until the shoe is on the other foot and your political/social cow is on the chopping block. Just look what Title IX is doing on colleges...
    [–]eatshitanddienow [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Title IX is government legislation, so what does it have anything to do with what I said? You missed my entire point.
    [–]AuditorTux [score hidden]  (0 children)
    No, my point was that "well-meaning" policy is often used as a cudgel against those who originally pushed for it in the first place.
    [–]offbeatpally 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
    Guess we shut tumblr down then for all the racist bullshit they post daily, then.
    Just because you don't like what someone says doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to say it.
    [–]Monkey_Junk 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
    Just because you don't like what someone says doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to say it.
    You're allowed to say what you want. Just private entities are not required to give you a platform to do so.
    [–]offbeatpally 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
    Agreed, my house my rules deal. I'm unsure how I misinterpreted the poster I originally replied to. I need to finish my coffee.
    [–]Monkey_Junk 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
    I need to finish my coffee.
    No worries, I'm in the same boat. Least it's Friday.
    [–]eatshitanddienow [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Thank you. It's amazing to me how many people have such a warped sense of what free speech entails.
    [–]Sockpuppet30342 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
    No, you're a moron who conflates the free speech amendment with the principal of free speech.
    [–]eatshitanddienow [score hidden]  (0 children)
    Tell me, what part of this situation violates the "principal of free speech?"
    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
    Keep living in that Cave my friend.
    [–]RedPill4LYF [score hidden]  (3 children)
    Fuck yeah. What's your plan, leader?
    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE [score hidden]  (1 child)
    Most of the time my ideas get shot down. They must be bad.
    As long as people have the will to fight it's good enough for me. I'll leave strategy to others.
    [–]RedPill4LYF [score hidden]  (0 children)
    If there is anything I have learned from Reddit and reality, it's that the only bad ideas are the ones nobody bothers to vote or voice an opinion on. Extreme opposition to an idea is sometimes just as telling of its potential as praise.
    [–]thats_a_risky_click [score hidden]  (0 children)
    First stock up on Mountain Dew and Doritos and go from there
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    HAHAHA and a new copypasta was born, thank you this is hilarious
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