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[–]exploreddit 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is why we need a fully encrypted decentralized solution. I got instantly downvoted last time I suggested this.

[–]richard_m_lurkmoar2 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

this is fucked

someone in that post made the comment that the ddos and then the provider cancelling are the exact things that happened to hotwheels and in the same order

[–]TheWiredWorld [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wait, there's no more 8ch?

[–]richard_m_lurkmoar2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

yes, but it was attacked as soon as people started jumping ship from halfchan

[–]bundlespoons 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Was anyone under the impression that Europe (especially Germany) was some kind of new promised land of free speech compared to the US?

[–]geekygirl23 4ポイント5ポイント  (17子コメント)

Couple of things.

1) https://voat.co/v/announcements/comments/146757/357958

2) Recently found a jailbait sub over there that implores users to go ahead and post pussy and tits.

Not sure about Europe but as a service provider in the US there is at least one thing that has been found to be unprotected speech and that is porn depicting minors. You will not find a single legitimate host that will allow you to run a site that allows communities like this to exist.

Service providers are exempt from almost everything and have no requirements to police their content. In fact, it is suggested to not remove content that you think is copyrighted or similar because once you start moderating for things like that you are liable to moderate your entire site. Best to let the DMCA's come in and only take action then.

If you as a service provider find potential child porn on your platform you are supposed to remove the content and report it to the authorities so they can investigate.

Again, suspected child pornography is not covered under free speech laws and anyone that wants to remain online is going to have to take action against it swiftly. Not only can it get your hosting pulled and website seized you can be held personally liable for your inaction, especially if someone specifically contacted you about it.

Atko seems a bit in over his head and overwhelmed with the decisions that need to be made on a site seeing rapid growth. He's going to have to make some tough calls but I'm sure the free speech oriented userbase will be ok with this kind of decision.

Maybe the laws are different in Europe but I doubt it as much as I doubt most people would willingly participate in a site that has this kind of content.

[–]Irvin700 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Difference is to NOT post illegal content. You know, stuff that YOUR government can get you for. Stuff that the government can't get you for stays.

[–]geekygirl23 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yes, but someone said here that Europe has no protections (or was it laws specifically against?) hate speech and similar.

I'd wager a nickel his government doesn't like child porn either, he just seems to think it doesn't affect him if he didn't post it.

[–]Irvin700 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

One of the very few things I like the US of A. Hate Speech is someone's opinion, they must be protected too.

[–]Herpa_Derpa_Island [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What's the big deal about pussy and tits in a jailbait sub?

[–]geekygirl23 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Aside from it being illegal which will cause hosts to boot you and may lead to criminal charges against site owners that take no action?

I guess the only other thing would be the exploitation of minors.

[–]Autocoprophage [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

images of underage tits and pussy are legal so long as the context isn't sexual.

[–]geekygirl23 [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

I have promoted porn for nearly 2 decades and have seen the laws analyzed inside and out (by others). What you say is true.

What is also true is this:

1) You have to report potential child porn to authorities when someone notifies you of it, even as a service provider.

2) Figuring out if a nude picture of a minor is sexual is not something I would ever want to be responsible for so I'd err on the side of caution.

3) Most importantly - The minute you collect all of these pictures in a sub that uses the phrase jailbait and have users commenting on how they want to fuck them or similar you are now allowing the sexualization of minors.

I am a free speech advocate through and through. I was publishing porn in small town Christian USA back when everything was a gray area and the feds were shutting down porn shops just down the road from me for having Hustler Barely Legal videos. I have been there for goatse, lemonparty, tubgirl, the beheading videos, and every other "shocking" thing posted online. I have had in depth discussions with people that ran bestiality and scat sites and regardless of how I feel about the content I want the laws to allow them to stay online.

In this case I would nuke those offending subs from orbit and so would anyone else that planned to legitimately run a social platform like VOAT. It simply won't survive without taking action against this stuff.

In the Rolling Stone article on 4chan you will find this.

Poole has never had any employees. Instead, a couple of dozen volunteers around the world monitor threads, kept discussions on topic and removed snuff films, child porn and other illegal content.

Even the lawless land of 4chan removed illegal content, for reasons.

[–]Autocoprophage [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

I'm the admin of that sub.

[–]geekygirl23 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

And as the admin you are likely to be targeted criminally as well. Depends on where you live and usually takes months / years before they make arrests (they like getting as many as possible at once) but congrats I guess?

Atko will also continue to have hosting problems as long as subs like that exist and SJW's that hate the idea of free speech report every offensive thing they can possibly find.

[–]Autocoprophage [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I never posted anything to the sub, and I never told anyone to post underage girls. I just called it jailbait. I'm not really worried about it. But if something did happen, hey, sweet. Who gives a shit.

also, I'm not as invested in Voat's welfare as you seem to be.

[–]FriendlessComputer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So you created a sub... called jailbait... and you didn't expect people to post illegal sexually suggestive pics of underaged girls? Mate you are liable for criminal prosecution as others have already told you.

Well thanks for ruining Voat, I guess.

[–]Halaku [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I never posted anything to the sub, and I never told anyone to post underage girls. I just called it jailbait.

Bold move, Cotton.

[–]geekygirl23 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I haven't even seen /v/jailbait. There is another jailbait related sub there.

[–]Autocoprophage [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

no, I admin the other one. I was just shorthanding.

[–]geekygirl23 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Read the sidebar?

As far as not being invested in their welfare, anyone that enjoys having the platform available to utilize should be invested in their welfare. You not caring about criminal charges or child porn is irrelevant to what Atko should do.

[–]Autocoprophage [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What about the sidebar? It's a nude sub, but it's not an underage sub.

[–]_420CakeDay [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So is everyone going to Snapzu.com

[–]HaltNWO -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

How is this posted on Voat if their servers don't exist?

[–]Flytape -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The explanation is clearly in the article.

[–]Typhoidmary1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They were already in the process of moving to a different service and luckily finished right before their other servers got shut down.

[–]killthemallseriously -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voat needs to be on dynamic cloud hosting anyway

[–]PublicIntelAnalyst [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a matter of personal taste and discretion, I do not rub elbows with people in power, including but not limited to founders of new websites and such. Nonetheless, there does seem to be a solution immediately available to voat.co, not far from their current/former location.

See this post for more details, and pass it along up the food chain to whoever is running voat.