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GeoPond EcoGarden is run by homophobes. (self.vancouver)

GummyBearsAllAround が 投稿

I recently alerted the GeoPond EcoGarden that one of their employees was posting comments on Facebook that were homophobic. Their response was even worse. See for yourself.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/GeoPond-EcoGarden/1611003545809666?sk=reviews

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[–]VelvetJusticefighting the man 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty bad. The employee seems like a real nut. And that company... will never see any business from me.

[–]random_codyBurncouver 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

"We choose not to do business with the LGBT cultists from this day forward." - GeoPond EcoGarden I think it's safe to say we can get out our pitchforks now. Take a look at their facebook page, there are many more comments popping up from them like this now.

[–]Brocket_99 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to see someone send gay strippers over to the company office.

[–]OGdinosaurmeep meep 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

woah! that can't be real...

[–]katie_bric0lage 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, just wow. You should post this to /r/homophobia

[–]seebelowforcomment 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's no way a company would post that. Let's all just put down the pitchforks and consider that this 'representative' may have posted on behalf of the company, and that as of this moment, the real owners have no idea.

[–]GoneAFK 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is it in The Province yet?

[–]theprovince 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, don't worry, we've passed it on to the assignment desk!

[–]seebelowforcomment 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Owners of Facebook pages can grant permission to multiple people to comment as the company (reps, associates, and if not managed well, ex-associates). I'd guess someone has access, who probably shouldn't have access.

[–]katie_bric0lage 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not likely -- if you look up the owners facebook profile, it is rampant with religious hysteria along with various other transphobic and homophobic comments.

[–]seebelowforcomment 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who is the owner, and how would I look that up?

[–]katie_bric0lage 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gea Ambrosia on facebook - there are links to her profiles on instagram and facebook through out this thread. There is also someone claiming to be a reporter who interviewed her and said she stands by her comments, but I havent looked into the validity of that claim.

[–]VR_22 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I feel like this could really blow up overnight, will be interesting to watch. What if their account was hacked and now their reputation will be destroyed?

[–]katanaFedorano more condos, more parks -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! A guy who works for company X posts shit online, you can't blame the company, only the individual.

[–]ttaku 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Countdown for how long this will show up on postmedia-owned media outlets?

[–]Cawdor[🍰] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (32子コメント)

This hardly seems like a rational response from a business owner, especially when the gay gestapo will be all over you for having an opinion they disagree with.

Don't you think it's possible that the employee also sent the company's response from their facebook page?

You guys want to bankrupt a business owner for having a shitty employee

[–]metrothandi 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reporter here. Just interviewed a woman who claims to be the business owner. She stands by her comments.

[–]Cawdor[🍰] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. Ok. I'm shocked that someone in this city would commit business suicide like this. I stand corrected

[–]notmyrealnam3 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

the gay gestapo will be all over you for having an opinion they disagree with

I'm all for debates and opinions, but it sounds like maybe you aren't a great person

[–]Cawdor[🍰] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

For the record, I'm pro gay.

But I'm also trying to make the point that the gay activists jump all over guys like this with minimal information.

To me, thats just as wrong as what this guy posted

[–]xea123123 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

You should probably avoid calling people Nazis, unless they're white supremacists or something, if you want to be treated like a reasonable person.

[–]GummyBearsAllAround[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (25子コメント)

It's not "an opinion". It's bigotry. But hey...you tried.

[–]Cawdor[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't think you understand what an opinion is. Regardless of how much you or i disagree with it, he's entitled to it.

Nowadays if you aren't 200% pro gay, the online lynch mob wants to ruin your life.

Remember when the opposite was true and gay people were getting their lives destroyed for being gay?

Nowdays you had better damned be pro gay if you don't want your life destroyed.

The bullied have become the bullies.

[–]nolanrh 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

He is entitled to an opinion. He is also entitled to be called out if that opinion is stupid and/or bigoted.

In what world is the position that homosexuality a mental illness akin to pedophelia anything but bigotry? My bigger concern is that he has been hacked, not that somehow this opinion ought to be accorded some measure of respect or deference.

[–]575555757 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

In what world is the position that homosexuality a mental illness akin to pedophelia anything but bigotry?

In no world. This is obviously bigotry. But calling it an opinion, as Cawdor did, is completely correct and is being attacked by well-meaning dullards with poor reading comprehension. Using the term opinion, here, doesn't mean that Cawdor is trying to weaken the belief that this is bigotry. He's not saying "in some people's opinion, this dude's words are bigotry." He's saying "this dude's opinion would be disagreeable to gay people, because it's horribly bigoted."

If you don't see the difference, I'm not sure there's much anyone can do for you.

[–]nolanrh -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

"well-meaning dullards" "I'm not sure there's much anyone can do for you"... Alas, I am lost.

Now to continue the discussion like grown-ups -

I acknowledge, as my post does before, that it is both an opinion and bigotry, but whether or not it is an opinion is irrelevant to the substantive point of my post.

Notwithstanding the condescending tone of your comment, you raise a fair point that he did not expressly state it is not bigotry.

However, I am not "attacking" him on the basis of the distinction between an opinion and bigotry, I am "responding to" his suggestion that the typical response to these kinds of bigoted "opinions" is somehow akin to a pro gay lynch mob on the basis that one is entitled to their opinion - whatever that means.

He is NOT saying "this dude's opinion would be disagreeable to gay people, because it's horribly bigoted."

He is saying "this dude is entitled to his opinion, which gay people will unjustifiably ruin his life over".

I'll refrain from adding a comment that if you do not understand why I am necessarily right, you must be an idiot.

[–]575555757 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

He is saying "this dude is entitled to his opinion, which gay people will unjustifiably ruin his life over".

No, he's fucking not. You just can't help but put your own spin on things, I see.

Here's what he said:

This hardly seems like a rational response from a business owner, especially when the gay gestapo will be all over you for having an opinion they disagree with.

At no point does he condone this dude's opinion, or even state that he's entitled to it. What he actually says is that it seems irrational that a business owner would openly state any opinions like those in the offending post, in this day and age, as a business owner should know that this would provoke a strong response from the famously-attentive and famously-proactive online gay/gay-crusader community.

That's all. That's all it says. YOUR biases and YOUR suspicion led to your interpretation that he's somehow insinuating that this dude is entitled to think that way.

This is my problem with you, and OP, and every other well-intentioned asshole. Your bull-in-a-china-shop response ends up damaging your relationships with other people who may be less militant, but no less pro-gay. For example, I'm 100% for equality. My brother is gay. My best friend from med school is gay. I'm going to 3 weddings this summer; one of them is a heterosexual couple. I have literally no problem with gay relationships, or north american mainstream gay culture. I am not the person who says "nothing against them, but why do they have to be so OVERT?" I understand the historical context behind Pride, and I enjoy a good night out at the gay clubs with my friends from time to time. Or did, back when I was of clubbing age.

But I fucking can't stand you, or OP, or your hamhanded approach to engaging other citizens. Hyperbole, bombast, and pitchforks do not a reasoned discussion make. It makes enemies of potential allies, and alienates current allies. Fuckin.... slow your roll, already.

I suspect that Cawdor is also pro-gay, but anti-hyperbole. He's clearly anti-witchhunt. You, just as clearly, aren't.

[–]nolanrh -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

I hope by the time you finish med school you have learned how to a discuss a subject that you disagree with someone on without losing your cool. :)

[–]575555757 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I finished med school over a decade ago, and am thoroughly done with suffering fools on the internet. Especially ones that are torpedoing the progress that they claim to support. All the smileys in the world aren't going to erase your odious behaviour.

[–]nolanrh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

At no point does he condone this dude's opinion, or even state that he's entitled to it.

He did disagree with the opinion, but you do realize Cawdor said that the poster was entitled to this opinion, don't you?

Cawdor then immediately references bullying by people who aren't 200% pro gay. Perhaps we should leave it to Cawdor to clarify what he meant rather than engage in an interpretive debate about the meaning of his comment. That's generally how discussions work.

[–]575555757 0ポイント1ポイント  (12子コメント)

Those two terms are not mutually exclusive. Let's keep it civil over this side, k?

[–]random_codyBurncouver 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

The employee/facebook company account compared gays to pedophiles... It's bigotry.

[–]575555757 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hi, random_cody! You seem to misunderstand both the concept "mutually exclusive" and the definition of the word "opinion!"

When I said that the terms "opinion" and "bigotry" were not mutually exclusive, that didn't mean "this isn't bigotry." It meant that something could both be "an opinion" AND "bigotry." That's what "not mutually exclusive" MEANS. So your comment reaffirming that you think this is bigotry... was unnecessary.

Maybe this will help:

opinion [uh-PIN-yuh n]

noun

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

So, as you can see from fucking KNOWING ENGLISH, GummyBearsAllAround's first comment (it's not an opinion, it's bigotry) is nonsensical. All bigoted beliefs ARE opinions, by definition.

[–]random_codyBurncouver -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

hmmm earlier you said "Let's keep it civil over this side, k?" It seems you lied.

hypocrite [hyp·o·crite]
noun
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.

It was late at night and I read it as him saying they were allowed to have an opinion without having any kick back. Someone is absolutely allowed to have an opinion but the second it gets bigoted like that they can damn well better expect others to call them out on their idiocy. But yes I do understand that his bigoted beliefs are technically opinions.

Edit: The problem is lgbt people are sensitive to people saying bigoted opinions are just opinions so whenever we see someone call it an opinion we automatically think that people are saying "Oh it's just his opinion, he should be allowed to have that without being called out" The thing is it's not just an opinion, it is attacking us, telling us we are less than others.

[–]575555757 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm not typing this twice

[–]random_codyBurncouver 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

You didn't even read what I said did you? I agreed that technically it is an opinion. I'm done talking to you though you condescending prick.

[–]575555757 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

It was late at night and I read it as him saying they were allowed to have an opinion without having any kick back. Someone is absolutely allowed to have an opinion but the second it gets bigoted like that they can damn well better expect others to call them out on their idiocy. But yes I do understand that his bigoted beliefs are technically opinions.

Edit: The problem is lgbt people are sensitive to people saying bigoted opinions are just opinions so whenever we see someone call it an opinion we automatically think that people are saying "Oh it's just his opinion, he should be allowed to have that without being called out" The thing is it's not just an opinion, it is attacking us, telling us we are less than others.

You didn't even read what I said did you?

Yeah, I did. That's why I responded. Your last paragraph. It's factually incorrect, as stated, in the post I linked. You didn't even read what I said did you?

It's not condescending when the person being talked down to NEEDS to be talked down to.

[–]random_codyBurncouver 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

When someone says that gays are mentally ill and compares us to pedophiles then yes they damn well are attacking us and telling us we are less than others. Gawd you are full of yourself aren't you.

[–]Kanapro -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like someone is triggered

[–]seebelowforcomment -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally agree.

[–]OlognNorth Vancouver -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

So whatever was posted here has already been removed.

If someone has a screen cap maybe that would be good to share.

[–]GummyBearsAllAround[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It hasn't been removed. The comment is still there.

[–]wutnolol 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Deeper link to what I presume is the primary exchange here:

Wayne Hicks reviewed GeoPond EcoGarden — 1 star
13 hrs
"Question: When do I get a parade for overcoming adversity in my interracial marriage? Gay folk need to get over themselves. Ppl condemned them in the past due to willfully sinning against God. Ppl didn't condemn gays for the sake of hating. No scripture says God loves gays. Did we forget about Sodom and Gomorrah? Those who know what the LGBT lifestyle is all about don't agree with it at all whatsoever."
This hateful and bigoted statement was written in the comment thread of a CBC news story by one of GeoPond's agents, Gea Ambrosia. As a gay man, I find these remarks to be unacceptable and I feel that GeoPond EcoGarden should know that one of their representatives is promoting persecution against gay people like myself.

GeoPond EcoGarden
Being gay is a mental illness just like pedophilia.
10 hrs

That's a pretty fucked up thing to say in 2015, but I don't think it's unreasonable to wait for a little more info and an internal reaction before trying to wipe this business off the face of the earth.

From some preliminary cyberstalking due-diligence, I'm 99% certain that Gea Ambrosia, the employee your awful encounter was with in the first place:

  1. Is the person in sole control of this company's social media presence

  2. Is a bonafide religious fanatic on a level that I have absolutely no trouble believing would lead to the expression of bigotry you experienced and worse

So you've definitely only dealt with this one employee(?) in both of your interactions.

If Gea Ambrosia is the owner, or whole-heartedly endorsed by the owner, then sure, there's no question, fuck 'em* , drag them through the mud. But do we know any of that yet for certain?

Here she mentions co-workers and managers (though it's not clear if that's specifically about GeoPond).

* Though I actually kinda personally suspect this person has treatable psychological problems, I'm not about to enforce that interpretation when there's a good ol' bigot lynch mob forming.

[–]katie_bric0lage 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also went to her page, which has a long history to it and other comments that are related to homophobia and transphobia No doubt she is the one who posted them - she also seems to be a bit of a religious nut, which would explain (not excuse) her attitudes

[–]proudbedwetter -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

ok, but none of you can afford land for a water feature anyways so not like they are going to loose any business.

[–]seebelowforcomment 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I have a shower in my condo. Does that count as a 'water feature'?

[–]proudbedwetter 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

only if it leaks.

[–]ArchieMoses 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess you have an organic water feature in your bedroom?

[–]proudbedwetter -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

i have a house. i'm not poor.

[–]lyrically_twerking 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

In Surrey. Doesn't count.

[–]spyder728 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is bad, it's just like how there are shit tons of xenophobic cunts on /r/vancouver who are hidden in the closet until they see a computer.

Some people are like that, can't help. You stop shopping at Geopond won't turn him into accepting homosexuals. He is just going to hate gay people even more because it fucked him in the ass too. he'll just become like one of those piece of shits on /r/vancouver, getting more secretive with their discrimination. Doesn't really change anything at all at the end......