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[–]nazzymanLondon 213ポイント214ポイント  (301子コメント)

I don't get it, what's so bad about france that they are desperate to come here?

apart from the obvious things like french people etc

edit: found part 2; this is just more sad then funny i think https://twitter.com/sakirkhader/status/611111493598334977/video/1

i've never been that happy before

[–]Barry_Scotts_CatMeowchester 116ポイント117ポイント  (61子コメント)

They regularily get told by people trafficers (and this gets reported in media around the world) that we will just give them money and housing.

[–]SkaterOfTheSurface 131ポイント132ポイント  (5子コメント)

People traffickers and the Daily Mail.

[–]Barry_Scotts_CatMeowchester 153ポイント154ポイント  (4子コメント)

Daily Mail: Come to England get a house

Daily Mail: BLOODY COMING HERE, ASKING FOR HOUSES

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    [–]scoutisimbaCambridge 59ポイント60ポイント  (66子コメント)

    Why asylum seekers come to the UK

    [–]psysizeHertfordshire | London 80ポイント81ポイント  (24子コメント)

    An attempt at a TL;DR: Vast majority have no country in mind before they leave. The UK is ultimately chosen mostly under belief that their human rights will be respected, an opinion mostly enforced by agents.

    [–]ChooquaenoIsle of Man 66ポイント67ポイント  (7子コメント)

    The UK is ultimately chosen mostly under belief that their human rights will be respected, an opinion mostly enforced by agents.

    Also, hopefully, correctly.

    [–]singeblanc 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Give Gove a Chance.

    [–]gophercuresself 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Sounds like an ill conceived Conservative party leader election anthem.

    [–]Lazy-EvolutionGreater London [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I believe in a thing called Gove

    Crazy little thing called Gove

    There are so many!

    [–]scrotumzzGlasgow 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The UK is ultimately chosen mostly under belief that their human rights will be respected

    Ha, jokes on them, not even the Brit's rights are respected by their government.

    [–]cuntarsetits 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, if they come over here expecting private email and the right to say what they like on Twitter they've got another think coming.

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      [–]Duke0fWellingtonLancashire 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Isn't France pretty much the bastion of human rights though?

      [–]thmsbshThat London 57ポイント58ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Only as long as you're French.

      Note: this is based on nothing but gut feeling and ingrained anti-Norman prejudice

      [–]TOSH2345 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Genuine question but what I don't understand is why would the agents continue to help them get the UK when they're already in France? It seems like a far more complicated procedure than just getting them to the first country and leaving them there.

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        [–]RecQueryEat your cereal 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Would these people be classed as asylum seeks or economic immigrants?

        [–]MasterOfWhisperers 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

        You can be both. An asylum seeker is someone that is applying for refugee status and its yet to be ascertained whether or not they're genuine. An economic migrant is someone coming for economic reasons. If you've come for economic reasons but apply for asylum for false reasons, you are both.

        [–]calbertukFrog in the North 10ポイント11ポイント  (35子コメント)

        Here's another interesting one: The facts about asylum

        [–]AndarneScotland 27ポイント28ポイント  (34子コメント)

        "Asylum seekers and refugees are law-abiding citizens."

        So it's law-abiding to sneak into the back of lorries, possibly damage valuable cargo, and raise the risk of giving the Driver a £3,000 fine for unwittingly carrying them?

        [–]turnip_juice 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Correct me if I'm wrong but asylum seekers and refugees are here legally where as illegal immigrants are the ones who sneak in on lorries?

        [–]CommodorePiri 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Asylum seekers can arrive illegally as well, often it's not put to them how they arrive or where they arrive

        [–]bottomlines 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The problem is that many illegal immigrants claim asylum. They destroy their documents so we have no idea who they are. Then they make up some claims about being persecuted back at home. Then we have a tough choice. Either keep them in a detention centre, and get crucified by the media and the left wing. Or let them into the UK and trust that they will turn up to meetings etc. Of course, a lot of the time they just disappear.

        [–]IAmNotAmericanI don't belong here 31ポイント32ポイント  (25子コメント)

        You would too if your government decided it didn't like your politics and therefore were sending police around to execute you or lock you in prison.

        Asylum seekers are not coming for benefits, they're running away from people who want to kill, torture and/or silence them.

        It just so happens that these 2 have been told they'll be safe when they get to the England - not for any attributes in particular about England. Who knows what they've had to endure from their handlers on the trip - such as rape?

        [–]JoeDaStudd 31ポイント32ポイント  (16子コメント)

        To get to England you have to pass many, many other countries which aren't war torn or where people harm you for no reason.
        They come to England because we are a soft touch

        [–]ReCursing -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

        Do you want to make the country where you live an unpleasant and unappealing prospect to stop a very small number of disadvantaged people coming here?

        Really?

        [–]Bungalows 26ポイント27ポイント  (13子コメント)

        1) It's not a 'very small number'. It's hundreds of thousands.

        2) It's not about making Britain 'unpleasant'. It's about enforcing the law so that social cohesion and the public services are able to cope, which makes the place more pleasant for the people that are legally here.

        3) If we could stop the vast flow of illegal immigrants then maybe we would be better able to accommodate more legitimate asylum seekers.

        [–]aidrocsid 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They come to England because we are a soft touch

        Do you want to make the country where you live an unpleasant and unappealing prospect to stop a very small number of disadvantaged people coming here?

        Having just read what he said, I'd say that's not what he said at all. He didn't say anything about how policy should react, he said that they come to England for the soft touch.

        This is, apparently, a very controversial comment, and one that's lead you to make a wild assumption about his prescribed policy response to this. Why? I don't see /u/JoeDaStudd making any suggestions as to what should be done in response to his assertion.

        Maybe they do come to England specifically because it's easier on them. Would that mean to you that you should make a policy decision in line with making the country you live in unpleasant and unappealing?

        I don't know what the solution is, but responding to what may be factual information with an emotional appeal to what you assume to be the response to said information isn't a valid argument and it won't teach you anything.

        Maybe instead you should ask Joe what he thinks should be done about it.

        [–]misfitloveWales 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Asylum seekers are not coming for benefits,

        Just wondering how you kow this information, has there been a mass interview or survey taken with illegal immigrants?

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          [–]fuckin442m8 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Those selfish bastards, fleeing their war torn countries (largely as a result of western meddling).

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            [–]LexanderX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            This needs to be much higher. It's concise and explanitive

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              [–]wasuraiEngland 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

              They keep hearing about these 'steak and kidney pies'...

              [–]FezojT 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

              That's disingenuous. We all know it's the tins of beans with little sausages in them that makes our country a beacon of hope around the world.

              [–]heurrgh 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

              The french have those too; Cassoulet

              [–]Madman_Salvo 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Thieving bastards...

              [–]miraoister[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I love that stuff!

              [–]seanbastard1 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

              you try going your entire life having never had curry club thursdays, jaffa cakes, monster munch or pot noodles. A world of culinary delight is about to be thrust upon their stomachs and they cannot contain themselves. Quite right too

              [–]Bearmodulate 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I don't think it's sad, this trucker faces a £5000 fine and a prison sentence if he's found with immigrants in his truck.

              [–]haste75 24ポイント25ポイント  (49子コメント)

              I believe there's a perception that the UK benefit system is the best in the world, and will look after them.

              In reality, it's not too much different than the other major european countries.

              [–]gitWales 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I believe there's a perception that the UK benefit system is the best in the world, and will look after them.

              There's a perception in the UK that migrants view the UK benefits system as the best in the world. It's a very British sense of self-congratulatory fluff that we just assume that (albeit while being reinforced by certain shitty papers) while simultaneously decrying it.

              In actuality, our benefits system is neither the best nor offers the best quality of life for claimants. Migrants come here because we have an excellent culture that respects liberty and human rights (for the most part).

              [–]miraoister[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              sadly though most of the migrants claims wont be listened to as they have already set foot in other European countries which affects their rights of asylum.

              [–]doctorspooge 18ポイント19ポイント  (46子コメント)

              But we do look after them. If I was homeless and an immigrant was homeless, because I am white, male, single, no health problems, the immigrant would be housed first. I know I have been there and literally told that point blank. Basically the logic (to me anyway) is sound. Being a white male in a predominantly white country makes me less of a target, no health problems, no reason to be homeless, no one to care for or look after except me. It really made me angry at the time but it does make sense. I just won't have it when people make out that we don't bend over backwards for these people. We really do.

              [–]Chazmer87Scotland 38ポイント39ポイント  (8子コメント)

              I could say the same about lots of things.

              I'm less likely than someone with a health concern to get a house

              I'm less likely than someone with drug or alcohol problems to get a house.

              I'm less likely than someone with a Kid to get a house

              we work on a needs based system, and as a bonus - all of the above examples would generate more points than an immigrant and would be housed before an immigrant.

              [–]explosivefruitGreater London 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Which leads to the majority of social housing being filled with 'problem' tenants whereas originally you would have had a much greater mix of people.

              Then a new housing development goes up and people are outraged that 'no social housing' is marketed as a plus point. Sure it's wrong to do this, but I can see their point.

              [–]thecarebearcaresNorwich 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

              The underlying problem here is a shortage of social housing. The costs of housing benefit has risen steeply but the amount of claimaints has stayed level. A factor in this is that private rent is much more expensive than housing in council properties.

              [–]miraoister[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Bingo. Once again the ghost of Thatcher past is laughing at us.

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                  [–]haste75 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Dont we look after the ones we let in offically though? Not so much the ones that hop on the back of a lorry?

                  [–]stronimoCardiff 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  "Housed" in delightful places like Yarl's Wood detention centre. About half of asylum seekers that are here completely legally are just put in prison while their claims are assessed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/150746.stm

                  If you want to claim your right to be "housed" in a government detention centre, just beat up a policeman.

                  [–]ShadowOfTheWasp 14ポイント15ポイント  (7子コメント)

                  You are correct, I'd add 'middle-aged' too. Seeing as it's not wholly outside the realms of possibility that a middle-aged, white guy (previously fully employed, married, responsible member of society) can very rapidly become divorced, bankrupt, unemployed, and then emotionally/mentally distressed, then it's infuriating how society and the benefits system seems to think it's ok to prioritise everyone else first. I understand white male privilege, but sometimes it doesn't actually exist, and I think the suicide figures for middle-aged blokes reflects that.

                  [–]TakenByVulturesGreater Manchester 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  Considering the middle aged white guy has probably contributed far, far more to those very safety nets than the afore-mentioned groups...

                  [–]thecarebearcaresNorwich 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  That's not how it works. You pay in based on what you have and the system discriminates based on who needs the most.

                  [–]TakenByVulturesGreater Manchester 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Yeah, I understand that. It doesn't make the middle aged, homeless white guy feel any better though. If you pay into a safety net for most of your working life, you expect it to be there for you when you need it I guess.

                  [–]thecarebearcaresNorwich 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I accept the principle - I'd probably feel that way myself - but in reality how would you feel about having a social home where a single parent with a young family has missed out? The issue is scarcity, and focusing on the person who has a little more than you misses the wider issue

                  [–]TakenByVulturesGreater Manchester 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Agreed, the macro issue is scarcity - a problem only exacerbated by more people entering the country.

                  [–]ZiphoblatYorkshire 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  As a 23 year old healthy British national white male currently leaning on the system (or I would be, if I was eligible for anything at all), I can't actually envision it getting any worse as I reach middle age.

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                    [–]Usmanm11 13ポイント14ポイント  (21子コメント)

                    I can't believe people are upvoting this nonsense. I call bullshit on everything you say. Someone told you "point blank" that immigrants would be housed before white people? Was this someone a raving drunk BNPer down your local? What exactly does your colour have to do with it?

                    Firstly what your saying is literally factually incorrect: http://data.gov.uk/dataset/jobseekers_allowance_jsa_claimants_by_ethnicity , https://fullfact.org/factchecks/migrants_foreign_nationals_benefits_claim_likely_UK-27395

                    Secondly I just cannot fathom a situation where you would go to the job centre and they would turn your away because you're white, or give extra benefits to a black immigrant in the same situation. You're entitled to the same benefits as anyone else in your situation. Affirmative action is illegal in the UK, and if you weren't spouting bollocks out of your arse, you would know that every benefits form makes a large point that you don't have to fill in your ethnicity, religion, or skin colour if you don't want to. So the only room for discrimination is during the interview process of getting benefits, and to believe that, there would need to be systematized discrimination that the government has consciously decided to benefit minorities over white people. That's just farcical.

                    I think what you mean is that if you're an able bodied young male, the government expects you to be able to make it on your own without requiring too many benefits (which is a reasonable attitude) regardless of your immigration status or skin colour*

                    Jesus, what the hell is happening to this sub. It used to a place for reasonable discussion. This is the kind of garbage you see posted on the daily mail comment section.

                    [–]TakenByVulturesGreater Manchester 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Firstly what your saying is literally factually incorrect: >http://data.gov.uk/dataset/jobseekers_allowance_jsa_claimants_by_ethnicity[1] , >https://fullfact.org/factchecks/migrants_foreign_nationals_benefits_claim_likely_UK-27395

                    You might want to check your own sources before pointing someone else out as wrong. Both of those links concern JSA claims. Nothing to do with social housing, as /u/doctorspooge was highlighting.

                    It's no surprise that white British make up most of the JSA claims anyway - since that's the biggest ethnic group in the country. OP was referring to priority on housing lists. He didn't mention benefits at any point. You're refuting a point that was never made.

                    [–]doctorspooge 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Thanks, maybe if I had put it so eloquently people would have stopped to read more.

                    [–]mrpops2ko 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    It is completely true. He wasn't talking in relation to JSA/ESA/whatever, he was talking about in relation to being housed. Not housing benefit, but actually being housed.

                    Social housing has been an issue in the UK ever since Thatcher gutted it. The way social housing works is that cases are either 'priority' or not. People who are not priority cases (like he mentioned, white, male, of working age, educated) are not put into a priority case. Colour is a small factor to consider but it wouldn't be the sole reason for bumping a case up to a priority.

                    If I was going to make a point about that, i'd mention about how frequently women get priority case status than men.

                    The big things that will get you bumped up to priority case status are, middle / old aged, under 18s, women, having children.

                    The perception is that women are more vulnerable so they get priority status more frequently. It is just an extension of that logic towards black or immigrants.

                    Immigrants do tend to get the shitter housing though because the council just throw anything at them and they have to accept it.

                    [–]britishchinkHampshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    spouting bollocks out of your arse

                    What an image.

                    [–]doctorspooge 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    Wrong, its actually makes a very big point to include your ethnicity on benefit forms. The fact that someone is of colour in a predominantly white country makes them a "target" so would be more vulnerable on the street. Indisputable fact. So I'll just stop reading what you wrote there, its obviously come from a place of anger and not rationality. In fact I have very recently been helping my friend fill out benefit forms so that and the fact I have done it myself proves your lie. And yes, he is Muslim.

                    [–]walgmanLondon 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    So how are there African people in social housing and English people on the waiting list?

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                        [–]SteveJEO 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        The UK has a mythology all of it's own that overtakes any reality.

                        It's like the holy grail / promised land and means lots of different things to lots of different people.

                        Reasons can go from getting paid a fortune to getting paid at all to saving your family to not being held accountable for your own actions.

                        For women in some cultures it can mean something simple like 'going to school' in a language they speak and being free to decide for themselves ~ Britain will protect them is a matter of faith.

                        Bad side of it obviously is that a lot aren't very educated and are just assholes.

                        (Have you ever heard of the 'free money bank'? apparently that's a thing and if you deny there's a 'free money bank' some people will beat the shit out of you cos you're just being selfish)

                        [–]ichliebekuchen 12ポイント13ポイント  (83子コメント)

                        Not speaking the language is a big one, they might already have relatives here, the French aren't as tolerant as us and we have big muslim communities.

                        [–]E-StepBy the sea 70ポイント71ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        France has big Muslim communities too.

                        [–]LaviniaBeddard 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        And isn't that working out well for them!

                        [–]MoreTeaPleaseVicar 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Is it working out well for us?

                        [–]bottomlines 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Not really, but France probably has it worse IMO.

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                          [–]nazzymanLondon 37ポイント38ポイント  (27子コメント)

                          if they put in half the effort to learning french as they do trying to escape france they'd be fine

                          [–]ZenZibbehGlasgow 23ポイント24ポイント  (25子コメント)

                          I would have did anything to escape french class in high school too.

                          [–]GloriousYardstickEngland 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Even run off to england?

                          [–]ZenZibbehGlasgow 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Right I'm not that insane.

                          :)

                          [–]XyploatKyrtEuropean Union 18ポイント19ポイント  (17子コメント)

                          Looks like you would have did anything to escape English class too.

                          [–]ZenZibbehGlasgow 14ポイント15ポイント  (16子コメント)

                          If you prefer I can go full Glasgow in the comments.

                          [–]absinthe-grey 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          You and yer wee schemie rodents can fuck off back tae Leith. And take them bottles of Bucky wit ya tae.

                          [–]ZenZibbehGlasgow 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Comin fae the clown that wullnae even show aff his flair, get the location sent ya dobber and i'll meet ye half way.

                          won't actually fight you. pls don't hurt me

                          [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          I don't think utf-8 supports glaswegian

                          [–]th3f0xxLancashire 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          ah'd ah did anytin tae escaepe french class in haie skewel tae!

                          How did I do?

                          [–]ZenZibbehGlasgow 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Ye don't need tae go full overboard pal.

                          Just a wee bit ere and there makin sure to use nae grammar or spell check.

                          It takes a professional years to master the "Just Enough" And it takes them even longer to use that whilst actually talking.

                          [–]the_silent_redditorScotland 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          I'm travelling just now and bumped into a Glasgow dude in a bar last night.

                          Was good to hear the drunken, incomprehensible-to-all-but-us ramblings of home.

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                                  [–]MasterOfWhisperers 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  There are far more Muslims in France than there are in the UK. It's like 10% of their population.

                                  The wife of one of the Charlie Hebdo killers came to Britain because she felt it was a "more Islamic environment" than France. Source

                                  [–]RecQueryEat your cereal 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  There are plenty of people from the UK who live in France without having a grasp on the language.

                                  [–]calbertukFrog in the North 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Yes, it's okay when you're white and english, you get to go live in Spain and France without speaking a word of their language but God forbid some immigrants try to get in England without actually speaking english.

                                  [–]walgmanLondon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  The Brits usually take large amounts of money and buy property at market value then support the local community.

                                  [–]MoleUKNorfolk County 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Don't most Brits who move to France/Spain do so to retire? Notsomuch work. Or at least the ones who go to work speak the language.

                                  [–]calbertukFrog in the North 9ポイント10ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                  French aren't as tolerant as us

                                  I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion?

                                  [–]ichliebekuchen 12ポイント13ポイント  (35子コメント)

                                  Okay that was a poorly worded sweeping generalisation, but it was mostly to do with your anti religion laws.

                                  I meant 'less tolerant towards religion.'

                                  What with you lot banning the Burqa, etc. It was all over the news here.

                                  [–]carr87France 27ポイント28ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                  There are no 'anti religion' laws in France. You can believe in whatever god you choose.

                                  Wearing the burka is not a religious requirement, it is a 'fuck you' to liberal democracy. France is strict about the controlling of religious belief being used to influence public life and the political process.

                                  There are about 5 million Muslims in France, the UK has half that number.

                                  [–]Cursed_SunSurrounded by sheep 10ポイント11ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                  Enforcing the burka on every woman wouldn't be liberal at all, but plenty of people do wear the burka, and smaller headscarves, veils etc of their own choice. Surely restricting what people can wear is a removal of liberty?

                                  [–]MasterOfWhisperers 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  Surely restricting what people can wear is a removal of liberty?

                                  We already do that: ask the naked rambler.

                                  [–]Cursed_SunSurrounded by sheep 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  The ruling was that he was intimidating others by being naked, the difference being he was having an averse effect on other people.

                                  [–]ThePhenixLanky on the Continent 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  The same can be said of burqas. I have only once had a conversation with a person in one, and not seeing any facial cues, their reaction to what I'm saying, it's all very unnerving.

                                  [–]withabeard 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  There are times where laws are put in place to ensure public safety, even if there are arguably legitimate purposes to acts.

                                  Murder/Euthinasia is one area where a law to stop murder restricts the liberty of people to do something consenting adults all agree to. And the law is there to stop abuse of that action.

                                  While some people do freely choose to wear those items of clothing by their own choice, for too many people it is an act of oppression.

                                  [–]ThePhenixLanky on the Continent 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Surely the fact that you have to wear clothes is also an affront to personal liberty, if we extrapolate your comment further.

                                  No, neither are, but they are indecent for society - how can we have some people be apart from society yet supposedly 'full active members'. A burqa prevents that.

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                                      [–]calbertukFrog in the North 3ポイント4ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                      Half the people in this thread are finding this video hilarious and commenting about how they are scum and deserve what they got.

                                      It's a good thing I'm not one for sweeping generalisation or I would probably think the english were a bunch of heartless and hateful cunts.

                                      [–]lancashire_lad 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      I agree. I'm a UKIP supporter, believe we should cut down on immigration dramatically, and think letting in large numbers from the Med would be a mistake. However, that's no reason to deliberately make fun of these people's plight.

                                      [–]istaraAustralia 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      I know, I feel terribly sad for them. But at the same time if you're a genuine asylum seeker, any safe country should be desirable.

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                                        [–]pepe_le_shoeGreater London 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        It's a good thing I'm not one for sweeping generalisation or I would probably think the english were a bunch of heartless and hateful cunts.

                                        That's not a sweeping generalisation, there's no real evidence for it, but it is scientific fact.

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                                          [–]AuntfannyEngland 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          They have a large far right political party le Pen. It is bigger than UKIP in terms of representation and proportion of votes but its main comparison would be the BNP (National Front)

                                          [–]twogunsaluteLestah 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Not speaking the language is a big one

                                          I don't know, plenty of people want to come here without understanding a word of English

                                          [–]ripitupandstartagainRepublic of Scouse 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          They may not be able to hold a converstation but (due to the British empire and the US dominance of media) I would bet that they know more English words than French, German or Italian.

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                                            [–]katilakoski 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            France has a larger Muslim community than us.

                                            [–]TheAngryGoatStarkshire 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            the French aren't as tolerant as us and we have big muslim communities.

                                            I dunno. Ask the French jews and cartoonists, I think France have a big enough Muslim community.

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                                              [–]singeblanc 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              It's just sad.

                                              France actually has a more generous welfare system, so immigrants wanting to leech off the state would stay in France, despite what the Daily Fail would have you believe.

                                              People come to the UK for work opportunities, as we have a large cash-in-hand economy.

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                                                [–]ichliebekuchen 243ポイント244ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                "Sister, why are all these English wearing black and white hooped jumpers, carrying baguettes and riding fixie bikes?"

                                                "Hon hon hon, mon chéri"

                                                [–]ArtistEngineerCambridgeshire 63ポイント64ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                Bonjour!

                                                [–]ichliebekuchen 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                Needs more baguette.

                                                [–]Nice-MayMay 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                http://i.imgur.com/dykXRNZ.jpg

                                                [–]th3f0xxLancashire 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Also needs the Eiffel Tower in the background.

                                                [–]miraoister[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                "My children need wine!"

                                                [–]NidonocuStafford 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Also needs to not be photoshopped to be somewhere other than Worcester.

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                                                  [–]lloyd877 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  that picture is taken in Worcester, west midland on the Severn bridge

                                                  [–]miraoister[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  surely they are riding really old shopping bikes?

                                                  [–]ichliebekuchen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Yeah that's what I meant.

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                                                    [–]SpinningPissingRabbiEngland 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    That was heartbreaking, their palpable joy in finally reaching our beautiful country was too much too watch. I can only imagine their horror when they discover that they are only in putrid, horrible, disgusting, not beautiful and frankly smelly France.

                                                    [–]HaveADreamEast Yorkshire 23ポイント24ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                    How long will it take for them to realise?

                                                    [–]ichliebekuchen 93ポイント94ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                    Until they ask for directions to Birmingham and get funny looks.

                                                    [–]abitRandomLondon Master Race 124ポイント125ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                    Could be worse, they could actually end up in Birmingham.

                                                    [–]thehen 186ポイント187ポイント  (41子コメント)

                                                    This just makes me sad.

                                                    [–]GoneWildWaterBuffalo 88ポイント89ポイント  (39子コメント)

                                                    Feels needlessly cruel.

                                                    [–]GloriousYardstickEngland 190ポイント191ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                                    Like jeopardising a mans livelyhood because you dont consider france a good enough country?

                                                    [–]DisgruntledBritWarwickshire 91ポイント92ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                                    Fucking this. They're already in a EU country and could claim asylum. But no, it's not good enough apparently. So it's not 'sad'. It's not like they were told it's England and they're back in Iraq again or some other third world.

                                                    [–]fuckyouyoufuckingfu 22ポイント23ポイント  (29子コメント)

                                                    They probably don't speak French or don't have family there. What's so horrible about wanting to escape a shitty situation and be with your family? I knew an Iranian guy who fled Iran, wound up alone and dealing with a lot of things and tried to commit suicide. The level of loneliness and culture change people fleeing other countries face is awful, even more so when they have to face that alone. It's not as if they're being picky, it's about what is practically liveable for them. I'm sure you'd want to be reunited with your family if you were one of those ladies.

                                                    [–]ThePhenixLanky on the Continent 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    From the sounds of it they barely speak English either.

                                                    [–]istaraAustralia 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    I think the issue is that they have already escaped the alleged violence/conflict/oppression by making to Europe, why isn't France good enough? Why must they then come to England?

                                                    [–]YoureProbablyATwat 49ポイント50ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                    What's wrong with it...the illegality?

                                                    [–]calbertukFrog in the North 15ポイント16ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                    Try and put yourself in someone else's shoes. So much entitlement in this thread "how could they do that", "they deserve it", "illegality bla bla".

                                                    Iit sure is easy to judge others when you're white, with one of the best passports in the world and living in one of the richest countries in the world sitting comfortably in front of a computer screen. God forbid you try to imagine what people fleeing from war-torn countries are going through, the misery and the poverty.

                                                    [–]bluebird2912 42ポイント43ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    Right, but we can't just invite and allow every single person who deserves a better life to come live here. We can't encourage that behaviour and the more that arrive the more splintered and fragmented our society becomes. It's a total culture clash and it's going to be impossible in the long term to deal with them all. Especially when they show an incredible ignorance of what the UK is actually like.

                                                    I understand the need for empathy, it is an incredibly sad situation and I can see why you can get frustrated at the entitlement in this thread. It's easy to take for granted just how lucky many of us are to live in the UK. But you must also understand that we can't accommodate every person who lives in these condition and that the more of them that continue to come over, the more stretched our resources become. Ironically it's those who among the poorest in the UK that are most likely to lose out when immigration rises.

                                                    [–]istaraAustralia 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    This is the harsh reality. The world is horribly unfair. If you actually consider the guidelines by which people are allowed to claim asylum, in terms of what is defined as oppression etc, then practically half the world qualifies. Every single person in North Korea would qualify, for starters. Anyone in any conflict torn country anywhere (which is probably more than half the world).

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                                                      [–]SoyBeanExplosionYork/Cambridgeshire 74ポイント75ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      war-torn countries are going through, the misery and the poverty

                                                      Wow, I didn't realise France had gotten that bad

                                                      [–]limited_inc 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      Try and put yourself in someone else's shoes.

                                                      that's a pretty weak argument, you can justify all sorts of crazy shit with thinking like that

                                                      [–]YoureProbablyATwat 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      Are these refugees from war torn countries?

                                                      If they are, and I doubt it, but if they are then why isn't France (or any other of the countries they've travelled through to get to Calais) ok to stay in?

                                                      [–]street_boy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      Why do you doubt it?

                                                      Im pretty sure Eritrea + Somalia have human right issues. Which looks like where they are from ...

                                                      UK has a bigger somalian/eritrean community than france so maybe they have family here that they have been trying to reach since they left home, 1,2 or maybe 3 years ago.

                                                      [–]WolenskiYorkshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      So your invitation to take them in round at yours is in the mail right? No point in pontificating if you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is.

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                                                        [–]jmedwardsUnited Kingdom 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        Is everything that is illegal in this world 'wrong'?

                                                        [–]YoureProbablyATwat 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        Nope.

                                                        However, like I've posted elsewhere, is it morally ok to be in one European country, probably having travelled through numerous other European countries, and are now trying to illegally enter another by very questionable means?

                                                        Are you saying that all those other European countries are so bad that is morally wrong for these people to stay in them?

                                                        They're breaking into and/or destroying another persons property, is that morally ok?

                                                        Their actions risk giving the drivers fines and legal ramifications, maybe even loss of jobs, and even prison terms for the drivers, morally ok?

                                                        They're trespassing on other people's property, morally ok?

                                                        All the above could cause stress, fear etc to the drivers, is that morally ok?

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                                                          [–]Honey-BadgerBristol 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Since when do they all have family here? Why do they have to live with their family? many of us choose to move away from our families and do perfectly fine. Im sorry but if you're running away from whatever dictatorship be happy to still be alive, be thankful you havent been beheaded in the street. I find this sheer desperation to go the UK fucking ridiculous, the rest of Europe is perfectly nice to live in.

                                                          Also, have you see the interviews with people in the camps at calais, none of them can string two sentences together.

                                                          [–]GoneWildWaterBuffalo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Wasn't implying what they were doing was okay.

                                                          [–]cloud4197Kent 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          The truckers get fined £2,000 per migrant hiding on or in their rigs. The truckers are understandably very fed up with migrants trying to use them to sneak into the country without their knowledge or consent.

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                                                              [–]self2233 160ポイント161ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                              I have no feelings of dismay or sadness, they're in France ffs, they're long away from any war/oppression, they're trying to get into England to rip us off because they've been spun a lie about the streets being paved with gold.

                                                              Go through the proper channels and we will see if we can help, I have no pity for illegal immigration and certainly not the scum causing regular criminal damage at the port of Calais and the surrounding area (these people chuck away all their papers on purpose to avoid being deported and regularly cut and break into lorries which then won't get damages reimbursed).

                                                              And to the people thinking he told them they were in England out of spite, he didn't. I quickly understood he told them this because he knew it was the quickest way to get them away from his truck (which they broke into) he repeated "now go" as this was his only concern.

                                                              A clever way to quickly defuse the situation so he can get on with his job without fear of thousands of pounds worth of fines.

                                                              [–]obadetona 63ポイント64ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                              I quickly understood he told them this because he knew it was the quickest way to get them away from his truck (which they broke into) he repeated "now go" as this was his only concern.

                                                              Yeah makes sense. Except for the fact he recorded it and put it online, and can be heard giggling in the background.

                                                              [–]Notorious_PUGExpat 57ポイント58ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                              He also calls them a "bunch of blackies" in Dutch.

                                                              [–]timmystwinAcross the border in Exeter 41ポイント42ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                              Not gonna lie, there's no excuse for racism, but having to deal with this a lot is gonna distort your views somewhat.

                                                              [–]ananuttin 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              Dutch people have no filter. I've met more than a few on separate occasions who have been happy to be openly racist until I told them it's not on.

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                                                                [–]self2233 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                I can understand he would want to record it so he has evidence if something escalates.

                                                                How do we know how it got online, this isn't the Dutch trucker's twitter and maybe he just shared it with friends as a kind of "look at the shit I had to put up with today". Even if he did put it online, fair enough, it's good to show the shit truckers have to put up with, I hope it "goes viral", so they get some support from govs. they need it!

                                                                As to the giggling I didn't hear any, but even if he did, fair enough, it's a pathetic situation and funny in a black comedy kind of way.

                                                                [–]IAmNotAmericanI don't belong here 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                Go through the proper channels

                                                                The proper channel for people claiming asylum is to get into the country (where they want to make their claim first). There is no 'office' or 'process' for people outside of the borders of a country.

                                                                That said, they could claim asylum in France or any other EU countries - they just don't have a political understanding of the EU and were probably told England will respect their human rights. It's not a preference, it's simply going where you need to go based on the information you have.

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                                                                  [–]lifeandthensomeWrexham 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                  People ask why immigrants prefer UK to France, i'll wager that the English language plays a big part of that choice.

                                                                  [–]miraoister[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  English language and community.

                                                                  [–]Scream_PhoenixKernow [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                  'community' hahaha yes im sure thats why they are travelling through plenty of developed countries in europe to get to the UK for..

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                                                                    [–]FrankehSouth East 73ポイント74ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                    Oh god, this is actually really fucking depressing.

                                                                    [–]darrensurreySurrey 19ポイント20ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                    Yeah - initially funny but actually depressing. I feel a bit sorry for those two. Their overwhelming joy soon to be crushed (unless their geography is piss poor). I'd rather he just shouted for them to get off his truck.

                                                                    [–]Smiff2United Kingdom 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    maybe there's something wrong with me, but i didn't find any part of this funny.

                                                                    [–]ScullykingSurrey 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    I found the idea of them getting so happy about being in England (compared to France) hilarious. Of course they don't know better because they've obviously been told coming here will give them the good life.

                                                                    [–]WhatABiscuitEuropean Union [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                    I'd go as far as saying that considering the lives of these people, finding this funny is really horrible. I mean, lying to them was one thing, but seeing their joy and thanking you, then repeating the lie? Just horrible.

                                                                    I mean, I get he is going through something, too, here. But fucking hell, the refugee situation is so horrible.

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                                                                        [–]twogunsaluteLestah 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Yeah that's just sad

                                                                        [–]the_oncoming_stormThe Glorious Kingdom of Fife 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Christ, that's just depressing.

                                                                        [–]FuckinGandalfManWoahDevon 43ポイント44ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                        I'm sure I'll be downvoted, but I'm just surprised by the number of comments here assuming they just want the UK for better benefits, or they selfishly (and knowingly) risked the truck driver getting a fine just so they could flee to the UK.
                                                                        Honestly, perhaps they have family here. Imagine you were in this situation. How far would you travel just to be with family you felt you could trust? How far to be in a country where you could speak the native language (seemingly quite well), and integrate quicker?
                                                                        It's easy to assume they're just thinking about benefits but in reality after escaping their own country it's more likely their main concern is just safety.
                                                                        Plus, if you can't afford a plane ticket then truck/train hopping is pretty much the only choice you have.
                                                                        Looking at this in that light, it's a pretty grim clip. Of course it's not nice for the truck drivers either, and it's not fair he'd be fined if caught, but perhaps it's our asylum/border control laws that are wrong, not these girls?
                                                                        Perhaps the law should be that if he was unknowing he shouldn't be fined, or that if their bid for asylum is deemed genuine and successful he shouldn't be.

                                                                        [–]limited_inc 13ポイント14ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                        Perhaps the law should be that if he was unknowing he shouldn't be fined

                                                                        gets paid to smuggle in illegal immigrants, gets caught one time, says he didn't know, gets away with and does it again . . .

                                                                        [–]bibshallSouth Bedfordshire 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        Also they can speak English. Knowing the country's language makes life a lot easier.

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                                                                          [–]les-encompetent 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          My partner is a former refugee from Afghanistan (I am a White British Male). Her family fled the country illegally hidden in the back of a truck after the Taliban attempted to kill her dad simply because they are Hazara. They fled to Iran and where treated just as poorly with no human rights to speak of. Eventually they made it (legally) to Sweden and were granted Swedish citizenship. It angers me to see some of the hateful comments about asylum seekers and refugees, particularly when it comes from the comfort of someone sat behind there computers in a privileged country such as the UK where it is so easy to forget that these are living breathing people who had the misfortune of being born in a dangerous country, and heaven forbid they were born female. I dont blame the driver for trying to get rid of these stowaways because it is his job to do so, but I really resent some of the thoughtless comments that I am reading here.

                                                                          Edit: thanks for your points of view, I respect the well thought out answers. In any walk of life there are good people with good intentions and bad people who are there to take advantage. My point is, who are we to judge and point and laugh at the girls in this video. It's human nature to try and better our lives through what ever means necessary. My partner is now an immigration advisor and volunteers with asylum seekers who are trying to integrate into British society and I hear horror stories on a daily basis about people who are struggling with every aspect of their lives in the UK and would love to be able to return home, if it weren't for fear of their lives. I hear of people who are separated from their families and would do anything to have them safe in the UK. I also hear about the people who come here and cheat the system. She herself was an illegal immigrant in Iran after she fled Afghanistan. Her familys intentions where good but does it make her bad for being illegal in Iran?

                                                                          [–]CapsuletsUnited Kingdom 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          For every story like your partners, there are 10 stories of economic migrants breaking the law by illegally crossing into Europe.

                                                                          Whats more, every time someone does break the law like this, they make it a little bit more difficult for someone like your partner and her family, people in genuine need, to get here.

                                                                          There are thousands of people who do the right thing, who legally apply for asylum, who fill out the forms, who wait months while their case is reviewed and who apply for citizenship.

                                                                          You should direct your anger at the criminals who circumvent the rules, who illegally travel into this country, and make it harder for the poor families in real need, who are still waiting in line.

                                                                          [–]JoeyJo-JoJnrShabadoo 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Your partner was a legal refugee though, no ones complaining about them. Asylum is judged by need, but that just falls apart if you have too high illegal immigration, plus someone in France is not at risk, so its hardly as if they're in a dangerous country.

                                                                          There's also a whole host of problems with illegal immigrants that you haven't considered, think of the type of person who can get through when there are absolutely no background checks. Not every refugee is some poor innocent....

                                                                          [–]ichliebekuchen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Immigration is a very emotional subject.

                                                                          On the one hand you've got stories like yours, on the other you've got the horror stories like with Roma gypsies who make a nuisance of themselves or other ethnicities that refuse to integrate with British culture and resent their fellow countrymen for whatever reason.

                                                                          Illegal immigrants illegally working here and all that jazz.

                                                                          It must be horrible to be forced to flee your country, but why does Britain have to take immigrants from all over Europe and the middle east? Why not stop in France or closer countries, I know many do, but still...

                                                                          [–]HuhDudeEuropean Union 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          Cruel bastard.

                                                                          [–]YorkshireBloke 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          This kind of makes me feel sad :(

                                                                          [–]Chlorophilia 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          This is pretty horrible actually... It doesn't matter if their wish to come to the UK isn't completely rational, the fact of the matter is that they were clearly desperate enough to come here that they were willing to illegally cross the channel, and then this guy plays this horrible "joke" on them.

                                                                          [–]frankster 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          What exactly is it that makes them so much happier believing they were in England than France?

                                                                          English language which they seem to speak is one. But what else? How do benefits/visas/ability to live and work illegally etc compare?

                                                                          [–]uksoftwaredev 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          I feel like a bad person for laughing at this.

                                                                          [–]Dumpyourkarma 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                          These women will end up in a detention center in either country, shame they didn't have enough money to be legal immigrants.

                                                                          I don't however want the lorry driver to come here, we already have enough racist, heartless, selfish shits in the country, no need to have another one driving about the roads.

                                                                          [–]spikypsyche 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Well I guess it's for the best he spends most of his time alone in a truck, not interacting with anyone. We already have enough racist, heartless, selfish shits in The Netherlands as well...

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                                                                            [–]MulfyHampshire 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Can only feel sad for these people

                                                                            [–]mr-oneal 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                            i would love to see their face when they notice they are still in france

                                                                            [–]FrankehSouth East 74ポイント75ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                            I'm imagining they stepped out of the building and their face turned to disappointment.

                                                                            Whoosh, the camera zooms in on a woman eating a croissant.

                                                                            Whoosh, the camera zooms in on a woman carrying a brown paper bag filled with baguettes.

                                                                            Whoosh, the camera zooms in on a man in a stripy shirt riding a bicycle with onions around his neck.

                                                                            In unison, while dropping to their knees: 'Noooooooooo.'

                                                                            [–]jubbleuEngland 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                            Camera zooms out whilst focussed on them, to slowly reveal the Eiffel Tower and L'Arc de Triomphe in the background and accordians are heard playing.

                                                                            [–]VerySharpCup 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Camera speedily zooms out up into the sky to reveal the outline of the country of France on Earth, while the footage is overlayed with flames and the face of a person going 'Hon Hon Hon'

                                                                            [–]Smiff2United Kingdom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Hopefully they just headed to the nearest cafe.

                                                                            [–]tabari 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            'Noooooon.'

                                                                            [–]WitherkayDerbyshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            Non non non noooooooooonnnnnnnnn!

                                                                            [–]TheAngryGoatStarkshire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                            "Take me back home, TAKE ME BACK HOME FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!"

                                                                            Just kidding. You know I love ya, France.

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                                                                              [–]gangaftagleeYorkshire 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Why the fuck does everyone find this funny? They're going to live in a ghetto camp in France now until they think of another dangerous plan to get to UK or deported.

                                                                              [–]MoreTeaPleaseVicar 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              I don't think its funny, but they are choosing to live in a ghetto camp as they want to illegally enter the UK. They could go to the french authorities and look to seek aslyum in france and get social housing (or at least somewhere better to sleep the a piece of tarpaulin pulled over some sticks)

                                                                              [–]chicaneukWest Midlands 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Bit torn. Who knows what sort of life they've escaped, and what they've gone through to get this far....

                                                                              But kinda funny too. I feel like I'm going to hell now.

                                                                              [–]muskhound 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              this mad me feel sad

                                                                              [–]JasonTheMessiahEnglish Dude in Wales 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Buy that man a pint!

                                                                              [–]Themdefaultssuck 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                              Lots of people in this thread going for the feel good response, not one offering up their house for them to live in though.

                                                                              [–]the_big_cheese 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Yeah, because not subjecting someone to cruel emotional abuse = offering up your house.

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