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Why do you guys think the world is flat?

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[–]5arge 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

From what I gather, it's a religious thing mixed with mental illness. For the Bible to be "true" the world needs to be flat. The Bible says it is flat, so if that is not the case, the Bible is "lying" and Christians who need the Bible to be true cannot and will not accept that. Then there is the mental illness angle, some people just need to believe that "they are being lied to". We call them "paranoid", but they just need to believe that there is a big lie, and some have latched onto this particular big lie. I suppose there is also a third group of flat-earthers who are pushing this theory in an attempt to discredit all conspiracy theories. If you read the replies of flat-earthers to a simple question like the one you just asked, you can usually fit the flat-earther into one of the three categories: Christian, crazy, or conspiratard (the name they chose for themselves).

The real question I want answered is this: Why would the powers that be engineer this great untruth about the world being a sphere? For what reason is hiding "the truth" about the Earth being flat so important? Why did ancient civilizations give up on the idea of the Earth being flat millennia ago but all of a sudden in the 1890s some fringe groups start pushing the idea that it's flat again? Why is it important to conceal from all of humanity that the world is flat?

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would the powers that be engineer this great untruth about the world being a sphere? For what reason is hiding "the truth" about the Earth being flat so important?

In order to convince you there might be anything else out there, they have to convince you there's a place out there for other things to be. If you realize you're living in a giant snow globe where we are the entire reason for this place's existence, your outlook on life and the universe is completely different.

Satan's goal is to keep you away from the truth. He owns all the kingdoms of this world, but God owns the world.

[–]shmusko01 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

In order to convince you there might be anything else out there, they have to convince you there's a place out there for other things to be

Wait, so you're saying a large, monolithic organiztion might be interested in controlling people through dogma, rhetoric and disinformaton?

colour me shocked

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -3ポイント-2ポイント  (34子コメント)

The short answer is that the scriptures teach a flat earth and all empirical evidence confirms it. If you have any specific questions I encourage you to post threads about them.

These two examples definitively demonstrate that our world cannot be a ball of 25,000 statute miles in circumference:

The only conflicting ideas in the world concerning a flat earth are NASA (space programs) and satellites, both of which are easily dismissed for various reasons.

[–]Terex80 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

Using the scriptures as evidence discredits any theory about the wide world. They are story books, meant to teach morals not be literal

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Perhaps for you, but that's not the position I and many others take.

[–]Terex80 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

But they were just written by a bunch of men. It is not the word of god

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

They were written by men under the influence of the Holy Spirit. The scriptures are the word of God.

We disagree and that's fine.

[–]Terex80 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

So why are there contradictions in the bible? God change his mind?

Also god is nowhere near perfect, he happily orders the murder of many for little reason other than he feels like it

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

There aren't contradictions. If you'd like anything cleared up I will help you find a logical solution. Just, please, bring it to my inbox and not here. I'm not going to participate in the derailment of threads.

Also, God is perfectly just and all-loving.

[–]Terex80 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you serious? He doesn't like gay people, women, people the Jews fight and god ORDERS them to exterminate their entire tribe. So no he is not "just and all loving"

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you would like to continue this conversation, please take it to my inbox or /r/DebateReligion

[–]SuperMajesticMan[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (22子コメント)

Chicago is easily visible because of the light bending in earths gravity.

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -1ポイント0ポイント  (21子コメント)

I don't buy it. There's a much simpler explanation that fits with the other data.

[–]SuperMajesticMan[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (20子コメント)

? Gravity pulls, light gets pulled. What is to explain?

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -1ポイント0ポイント  (19子コメント)

The horizon at altitude doesn't fit with the size ball they say we're on. The light is not being pulled by gravity (not even by science's explanation), so I'm not sure what you're on about.

Gravity is an unproven theory that requires a ball and space first. Considering we're in a snowglobe with a roof, it's more likely we fall because we're more dense than air. It's as simple as that.

You can see Chicago sixty miles across Lake Michigan because you can see it. The water is flat.

[–]SuperMajesticMan[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Personally, I never got how gravity is a theory. Do other planets just magically orbit the sun? Moon? Solar systems around the center of galaxies? And the reason why we would stay down from being denser than air is gravity. And if gravity wasn't there why would we stay down/orbit?

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -1ポイント0ポイント  (13子コメント)

We live in a snowglobe. The sun and the moon are lights, as are the stars. They are not as big as we've been taught nor are they very far away.

The sun and moon move above the circle of the earth like this, about 3000 or 4000 miles up.

[–]SuperMajesticMan[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's a cool diagram, but inaccurate. In the far north, the sun doesn't set for 6 months. Explain?

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

The diameter of the sun's path is greater during the winter months, and smaller during the summer months. It circles the north pole tighter, causing you to be able to see the sun circle you in the sky twenty four hours straight during the peak of summer in the north.

[–]SuperMajesticMan[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also, how does this explain night and day compared to winter and summer? Going by this diagram, it would show that everywhere where the sun is is extremely hot and everywhere else is extremely cold. If the sun rotates like this, why do we have seasons? Shouldn't it be 4 seasons in 24 hours?

[–]shmusko01 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

The sun and moon move above the circle of the earth like this

thats not how light works.

Because if that's how the sun moved I'd see it when it was "day time" on "other side" of the Earth.

[–]shmusko01 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can see Chicago sixty miles across Lake Michigan because you can see it. The water is flat.

Right. The curvature is so insignificant that you don't notice it.

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The curvature is not insignificant. The city of Chicago at 60 miles should be over three thousand feet below the curve.

Please don't just spout off nonsense and do the math.

[–]shmusko01 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The curvature is not insignificant. The city of Chicago at 60 miles should be over three thousand feet below the curve.

This was proved to you, time and time again- including the time you brought it to askscience for the calculations and subsequently turned tail and ran, to be wrong.

Even on a perfectly spherical Earth (which it is not), an object at 10 miles out "drops" only around 30 feet.

Of course, this is immensely clear when you witness ships disappearing to see bottom first

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now you're just lying.

[–]SuperMajesticMan[🍰] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also the horizon looks flat because our planet is so large.

[–]SquareHimselfIt's flat! -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

At twenty miles up, the horizon could not possibly be flat and eye level anymore on a ball 25,000 miles around... but in reality it is.