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Children need heterosexual parents, says pope after gay pride march (washingtonpost.com)
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[–]Roman Catholicheatdeath -12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 11時間 前* (62子コメント)
Children that are raised with gay parents are probably going to be psychologically messed up. Heterosexual marriage is obviously what God intended. It always shall be so.
Edit: I'm not replying to any replies due to downvotes, sorry to those of you who wanted a civil discussion, but the downvoters prefer to suppress views that are in favor of traditional marriage, such as the Pope's.
[–]Leuku 15ポイント16ポイント17ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
Children that are raised with gay parents are probably going to be psychologically messed up.
From a person who studies psychology and Emotional Health and Development, observably no.
[–]Secular Humanistraluth 25ポイント26ポイント27ポイント 10時間 前 (2子コメント)
that's a huge "probably" which doesn't correlate to the trend of the various studies and meta-studies; sure, I expect you can find a few cherry-picked studies that have found that only children of white heterosexual Catholic middle-class non-smoking parents are "any good", but that is ... cherry picking (and note: many of the "gay parents bad" studies have been torn apart for methodological and data interpretation errors)
[+]Roman Catholicheatdeath スコアが基準値未満のコメント-28ポイント-27ポイント-26ポイント 10時間 前* (1子コメント)
Downvoted for bringing up race.
e: Evidently /r/Christianity believes gay parents are a race issue for some reason, but not Rachel Dolezal.
[–]Secular Humanistraluth 16ポイント17ポイント18ポイント 10時間 前* (0子コメント)
as you choose (edit: but the "heterosexual Catholic middle-class non-smoking" bit was just fine with you?); however, the problem is that in the real world, multiple factors do correlate (I do not suggest any causation) - overall, there IS a wealth inequality related to race. And an education inequality. And an employment inequality. And a crime inequality. There are health / life-expectancy issues that correlate to race. And to other factors. Basically, it is hugely complicated. So my point is precisely that you can, if you choose, report correlations that are technically true, but irrelevant.
Frankly, there would be a much more statistically compelling and supported case for the Pope to be arguing in grounds of race. I do not for one moment suggest that is something we should do - race based child policies would be morally and socially repugnant, but the data would be stronger. Which is exactly why he shouldn't be sticking his nose in and deciding to get fussy about sexuality.
[–]Secular Humanistexelion18120 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
Have a source for that?
[–]muffin9 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 8時間 前 (0子コメント)
http://www.apa.org/news/press/response/gay-parents.aspx
Uh, nope. The American Psychological Association has confirmed no difference in the effectiveness of gay parents. I think i trust peer-reviewed empirical data over some prejudiced person's random biased assumptions.
[–]Mesne 18ポイント19ポイント20ポイント 9時間 前 (38子コメント)
'Probably'? Going to base that on anything?
[–]AtheistDuke_of_New_Dallas 8ポイント9ポイント10ポイント 9時間 前 (0子コメント)
"Gays are icky child molesters" is probably his reasoning
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[–]AtheistIdlePigeon 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 6時間 前 (12子コメント)
I find the idea of having sex with a man pretty unsettling, therefore all having sex with men is wrong. From this day forward all children must be produced by magic lesbian cloning.
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[–]AtheistIdlePigeon 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6時間 前 (9子コメント)
A woman having sex with a man is nothing unnatural
Nope, I've said it was unnatural for a full seven minutes now and I can't violate my minutes long tradition of believing that penises defy natural law.
[+]Roman CatholicNakuke スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 6時間 前 (8子コメント)
This isn't about what you or I believe, its about what is inherently natural. If you don't like the fact that penises go in the vagina and a sperm and ovum is the way we have evolved to reproduce, you can take that up with mother nature, not me.
[–]Jake_Jeremy 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 6時間 前 (6子コメント)
And what about homosexual animals? Are they not natural or what?
[+]Roman CatholicNakuke スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 5時間 前 (5子コメント)
They are not displaying the natural reproductive behavior of every other animal in the species; there's something wrong in their brain wiring that causes them to project their sexual attraction to the wrong sex. They also die without any offspring which goes against the universally agreed purpose of all organisms in biology.
[–]Jake_Jeremy 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 5時間 前 (4子コメント)
Still, it is something that does not occur because of artificial influences, but rather from nature itself. Homosexuality IS natural.
[–]AtheistIdlePigeon 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 4時間 前* (0子コメント)
you can take that up with mother nature, not me.
It's tragic that so many people these days choose to be friends of mother nature instead of followers of my opinions.
[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda[M] 0ポイント1ポイント2ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
This comment has been removed for violating Rule 1.3. Your view is perfectly acceptable, however your wording is not. If you'd like to edit your post for reapproval, you can certainly do so!
[–]JLord 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 6時間 前 (10子コメント)
Hilarious. It's wrong because it's revolting, and if a kid sees it they will want to do it themselves regardless of sexual orientation.
[+]Roman CatholicNakuke スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 6時間 前 (9子コメント)
It's wrong because its freaking unnatural; whether or not its revolting is a personal opinion.
[–]JLord 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 6時間 前 (7子コメント)
I don't know how you can judge something to be unnatural when appears to be a part of human nature and a part of nature generally.
[–]Roman CatholicNakuke -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 6時間 前 (6子コメント)
Hint: It's not.
[–]JLord 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6時間 前 (5子コメント)
If something occurs in nature then it is part of nature. I don't know how else you could define it.
[–]Roman CatholicNakuke -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 6時間 前 (4子コメント)
Like having sex with a pre-pubescent? That happens in nature too, sure as hell isn't the natural, healthy sexual behavior of any mammal, it's as physiologically backwards as homosexual behavior; but we have seen example of animals attempting to have intercourse with prepubescent individuals; guess its okay for people to have sex with kids then.
[–]JLord 6ポイント7ポイント8ポイント 6時間 前 (3子コメント)
That happens in nature too, sure as hell isn't the natural
So then how do you determine what is natural?
[–]Rational ChristianGeohump 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
Holy... Really?
Have you had any modern schooling? Or any Biology courses?
[–]Downtown_Joe 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 6時間 前 (10子コメント)
I can't think of something more unnatural and revolting that that.
Congratulations. Your brain is wired to be straight. Now, flip those neurons around and suddenly vagina is the most nasty and disgusting thing on the planet.
Its funny how our brains work, isn't it?
[–]Roman CatholicNakuke -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 6時間 前 (4子コメント)
Now, flip those neurons around and suddenly vagina is the most nasty and disgusting thing on the planet.
Precisely, there's something wrong with those neurons when you have an X and a Y and yet are attracted to other men.
I'm not saying the attraction honmosexuals have to the same sex is not a real one; I'm saying it sure as hell isn't natural and the only reason it still isn't in the DSM is because of politics.
[–]Downtown_Joe 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 6時間 前 (3子コメント)
No, there's nothing wrong with those neurons anymore so than someone being wired to be left handed. It's a minority variation, sure, but it's just as natural as the other way around.
[–]Roman CatholicNakuke -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 6時間 前 (1子コメント)
being left handed does not prevent proper functioning of your body's natural processes. Your hand will work just fine even if its the left; there is nothing proper, functional or natural about two individuals of the same sex doing homosexual activities; that is not how we are designed/evolved/magically poofed/whatever. If you believe sticking your dick in a man or an animal or a child or whatever other misguided place you might think of is the same as having sex with someone of another race or being left handed I can't help you.
[–]Downtown_Joe 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
Ah, the good ol' "If you like the cock, you must be into children and animals" argument. Nothing says open minded like going to that trope. Good on you sir.
Okay, answer this - if it's not natural, then why do rams, Albatrosses, Dolphins, Bonobos, and geese (just to name a few) engage in same sex mating?
[–]inyouraeroplane -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
As much as we want to acknowledge everyone's sexuality as valid, even the studies on what causes it seem to suggest it's mostly an evolutionary spandrel or spontaneous mutation that makes sexual responses wired to the wrong stimulants for that sex, considering that evolution only selected for sex to feel good because populations that liked sex more would reproduce more.
That's all beyond the point that just because something happens naturally doesn't mean it's right. Humans or any other species literally would not exist as they do now without thousands of generations of ancestors raping to spread their genes or eating their young for food or to cull the weak. That doesn't mean we should be okay with rape or infanticide.
If we're at the point socially where suggesting that the majority impulse of humanity throughout history to believe in gods is faulty and should be discouraged or ridiculed, I'm not sure why we can't do the same for a minority view on sexuality.
[–]inyouraeroplane -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 5時間 前 (4子コメント)
Congratulations. Your brain is wired to find adults attractive. Now, flip those neurons around and suddenly children are more attractive and a 25 year old is well past their prime.
It's funny how our brains work, isn't it?
[–]Downtown_Joe 5ポイント6ポイント7ポイント 5時間 前* (3子コメント)
Good try, but non-consensual sex is wrong. Sex with children, sex with animals, rape, fucking a car tailpipe, fucking dead people - if there is no consent, then it's off the table.
Not the same thing at all as sex between two consenting adults. But thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
[–]inyouraeroplane -4ポイント-3ポイント-2ポイント 5時間 前 (2子コメント)
Why is that the ethical standard? We wouldn't take anyone's consent to have someone else gouge their eyes out or to kill them as valid and rationally given. The way the Catholic Church sees it, and as basically everyone in Western society saw it unitl ~40 years ago was that people can't validly consent to homosexual acts.
They're almost delusional due to a mutation that makes them think having sex with someone of the same sex will allow them to reproduce. It's not exactly a delusion, because they aren't personally responsible for thinking that and they probably rationally know they can't reproduce, but because their brain's system of pleasure receptors associates pleasure with things that don't actually work evolutionarily. It's a biological dead end due to misapplied pleasure pathways.
Funnily enough, now that we mostly let homosexuals partner up with each other, homosexuality will probably end up dying off if it is truly genetic. They used to pass it on because they generally ended up in marriages that produced children, who carried the gene latently. Now that they aren't reproducing and heterosexuals are, it should slowly die out of the gene pool.
[–]Downtown_Joe 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 4時間 前 (1子コメント)
Why is that the ethical standard?
Because fucking someone without consent is harmful to that person. Inflicting harm on someone is not right.
They're almost delusional due to a mutation that makes them think having sex with someone of the same sex will allow them to reproduce.
I'm pretty sure that most gay people (I won't say all, because stupid is universal, regardless of what genitals you like to fuck) don't labor under the illusion that they will breed. Adopt, sure - but having genetic children?
now that we mostly let homosexuals partner up with each other, homosexuality will probably end up dying off if it is truly genetic.
There are theories that hypostatize that homosexual traits are a response to overpopulation. So it might not necessarily be a useless evolutionary trait.
[–]inyouraeroplane -5ポイント-4ポイント-3ポイント 4時間 前 (0子コメント)
It's not exactly a delusion, because they aren't personally responsible for thinking that and they probably rationally know they can't reproduce
I think I meant it's a disorder like depression. A person can rationally know that they have no reason to be depressed, but because their brain doesn't make the right amount of chemicals, they still feel sad. We shouldn't hate those with depression or homosexuality, but we should try to help them deal with their disorders without harming themselves or others.
Keep in mind that physical harm isn't the only kind of harm. Emotional and psychological harm is one of the biggest issues with mental disorders. We just happen to think living a disordered sexual lifestyle inflicts that type of harm on someone.
So back in the early days of humanity, nobody was gay? Overpopulation only became a concern within the past 200 years.
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[–]AtheistDuke_of_New_Dallas 13ポイント14ポイント15ポイント 9時間 前 (16子コメント)
Children that are raised with interracial parents are probably going to be psychologically messed up. Same race marriage is obviously what God intended. It always shall be so.
[+]Eastern Orthodoxloukaspetourkas スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 8時間 前 (7子コメント)
Except that it was a radical (I'd dare to say heretical) minority that proposed interracial marriage was unbiblical...
Other parts of the world didn't and still don't really give a damn. Particularly the multi-cultural mediterranean, home of the christian faith. Just look at levantine arabs! Dark skin, light skin! Red hair, blonde hair! Green eyes! Brown eyes! A beautiful people, and likely to their wonderfully mixed gene pool.
[–]AtheistDuke_of_New_Dallas 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 8時間 前 (6子コメント)
Ya, but those are dirty a-rabs. Who cares what they do. This is Merica and the races must stay pure like God made us. If he wanted us to mix, he wouldn't have given each race their own continent /s
You can toss the h-word around all you want, but the fact remains that for 400 years, that was the view of trace relations in Colonial America/USA.
These were Christians speaking for how they saw the world God made
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[+]Roman CatholicNakuke スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6ポイント-5ポイント-4ポイント 6時間 前 (1子コメント)
Don't call me out on "1.4 violations", the majority of your posts on this topic, including the one I responded to are as sarcastic, insulting and low-quality as the one I made; I respond to people as they speak to me and others; and I'm tired of seeing people come on this sub and think they can be passively disrespectful and mudsling behind the guise of sarcasm because they don't have the mental capacity to hold a conversation. If you want to talk like a child and talk shit I can talk shit back and if you are going to judge billions of individuals with over 2000 years of history for the actions of a handful of geographically and culturally isolated sects of people who have been condemned as having the wrong ideas for hundreds of years by the rest of the majority then I will do the same. The worst people in this world have been atheists, and some of them even tried to spread their atheism by attempting to stifle theism; I won't even get into how historically misguided you are if you believe that slavery was caused by Christianity.
So if you'd like me to stop "being a dick" and supposing that you support sending people to slave camps in the tundra because you're an atheist, then you'll have to stop being a dick and supposing that me and other christians have a problem with Arabic people, interracial relationships or nations different from the US. Until then I'll sling the same shit back at you that you do to us.
You don't get an exception on the rules because you're an atheist or because your opinion on the topic of homosexuality is "it's good"., even if the mods on this sub have helped perpetuate that mentality.
[–]Eastern OrthodoxLuluThePanda[M] 2ポイント3ポイント4ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
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[+]Eastern Orthodoxloukaspetourkas スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11ポイント-10ポイント-9ポイント 8時間 前 (1子コメント)
Might seem like a big deal to Americans, but to most of the world its a freaky little microcosm. Their crazy ideas are not to be taken seriously when it comes to slavery, the civil war and race relations.
I'm not just tossing it around. and the fact that they were around for 400 years doesn't mean anything. They're still wrong.
[–]AtheistDuke_of_New_Dallas 3ポイント4ポイント5ポイント 6時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well, since I'm a Southern American, I am influenced by race relations, Southern Protestants and conservative politics, and that's kinda why I'm focusing in on it
[+]Roman CatholicNakuke スコアが基準値未満のコメント-12ポイント-11ポイント-10ポイント 7時間 前 (7子コメント)
People of different races are the same species and nature allows without any problem for people of different races to procreate. In fact it has happened for millions of years; humans of different races have intermingled and mated. And they've had successful bonds and bore children because its not against the natural evolution and behavior and physiology of the human species.
Homosexuality on the other hand is completely against proper structure and function of the reproductive systems of humans and reproductive behavior of humans; never has a black and white couple failed to be able to procreate, and never has a man screwed another man and anything come out of it, and it never will. NO matter how many gay pride parades are marched around teh world; it will never change nature.
[–]AtheistDuke_of_New_Dallas 9ポイント10ポイント11ポイント 6時間 前 (6子コメント)
According to nature, I should be dead. We altered nature and saved my life. Guess we should have just let nature run its course and let me die, right?
[–]Atheistsnowman334 7ポイント8ポイント9ポイント 5時間 前 (0子コメント)
Clearly, you are an abomination against nature.
[+]Roman CatholicNakuke スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9ポイント-8ポイント-7ポイント 6時間 前 (0子コメント)
You expect me to respond to a personal anectode of which I have no knowledge? Go crappost elsewhere.
[+]inyouraeroplane スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10ポイント-9ポイント-8ポイント 5時間 前 (3子コメント)
Different kind of unnatural. No process can make two male or two female gametes make a fetus.
[–]Rational ChristianGeohump 4ポイント5ポイント6ポイント 5時間 前 (2子コメント)
Actually that has been busted.
Two ways, in some species, the females can reproduce without mating.
We already clone complex chordate mammals commercially.
So cloning humans is clearly possible (and may already have been done illegally)
[+]inyouraeroplane スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7ポイント-6ポイント-5ポイント 5時間 前 (1子コメント)
Meaning we take their genetic information, put it in a spermatozoon, then put that inside an ovum and implant it in a woman's uterus. You still need a male and female donor, and a uterus to grow the child in.
None of the species that can reproduce parthenogenically are mammals. Even those species tend to have numerous birth defects due to low genetic diversity, for the same reason having a child with your sibling is a great way to get birth defects.
[–]Pagandolphins3 [スコア非表示] 14分 前 (0子コメント)
You still need a male and female donor,
Actually, research is being done on taking adult stem cells and inducing them to become either eggs or sperm, so at that point, no, you wouldn't need any kind of donor. Two women could conceive together with IVF and have biological children together. Men would only require a volunteer for a surrogacy.
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