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[–]derram_2 176ポイント177ポイント  (82子コメント)

How about this article that says, "The worst people on Reddit are angry" in an attempt to poison the well in regards to the recent drama. That sound familiar?

Or this one: "Reddit Bans Five Harassing Subreddits, Its Trolls Respond Exactly As You’d Expect"

[–]Anadis 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't worry new fellows, they'll be calling you terrorists soon enough.

[–]Logan_Mac 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

This looks like a joke, but to new people, the amount of relevant people in very high positions of power have done this it's just pathetic and desensitized towards actual victims of terrorists

A high directive of fucking DELL said we were the industry's version of ISIS

[–]The_Dog_Botherer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

good thing dell computers are shit

[–]theaviationhistorian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the same poisonous mechanism those 'journalists' feed will feed on them eventually. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but soon, they will anger that hivemind and someone just as wicked as them will make their name eviscerating the former.

[–]Anadis 532ポイント533ポイント  (67子コメント)

I love how people spent months telling us "You're just overreacting".

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 207ポイント208ポイント  (17子コメント)

There are those who said this day would never come. What are they to say now?

Sorry, bit a of a Halo fanboy.

[–]dcgh96 70ポイント71ポイント  (10子コメント)

The same could be said with Mass Effect and the Reapers.

What's your gamertag on XBL?

[–]TamerVirus 80ポイント81ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ah, yes, Reapers. We have dismissed that claim.

[–]hostile345Not with a bang, but a Pao 137ポイント138ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ah, yes, ethics. We have dismissed that claim -Kotaku

[–]Draconilian 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah yes, Objectivity, we have dismissed that claim - Schrier

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd gladly provide it, but I don't currently have a 360 of my own, and even though I have access to a XboxOne, I won't in a month or two.

You can find me under Aeon Anomaly though.

[–]dcgh96 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh. That sucks. Adding you anyway.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it matters, you can find me on Steam under the same name.

[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Where are we going?"

"TO WAR"

Sorry, bit of a person that likes to mock Halo's dialogue.

[–]eriman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

She delivered that line so badly. Still did a better job than Julie Benz though, who was Miranda Keyes in Halo 2.

[–]87612446F7 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

ain't it "what have they to say now"?

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I always thought it was hard to tell. It's level background audio, not during a cut scene or anything, although it was used in a commercial. Still, can't find any good quality ones anymore, so they audio is still pretty poor.

[–]87612446F7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

true

wish they'd kept the voice from 2, he was way better.

[–]MakingItWorthit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

People don't learn. Thus history repeats itself. Seems it'll be a while before the next Digg sees an exodus.

[–]non_consensual 136ポイント137ポイント  (3子コメント)

They've gaslit us every step of the way. The whole time telling us we were paranoid when we claimed we were being censored off gaming subreddits, then the modleaks happen and we're proven right. They were censoring us off of gaming subreddits. Incidentally they were censoring words like "ethics" and "corruption". Nothing pertaining to the hatred or harassment of women.

[–]kamon123 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was the real telling part. All words involving ethics in gaming journalism.

[–]WouldYouBanAGayGuy 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

No no no. According to Randi Harper and her blocklist white listing admin, we gaslit them. By them I mean the rest of world cause you know there is only GamerGate, there is no anti-GamerGate (Klwueless). We're horrible people for telling them that we're actually about ethics in games journalism cause you see the only people who get to decide what a movement is all about is a god... Ooops, went a little JRPGish there. Rewind. The only people who get to decide what a movement is about is those who oppose said movement. /sarcasm

:P

In all seriousness though, I would agree, they have gaslight the movement every step of the way.

[–]Flaktrack 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is one of the most accurate uses of "gaslighting" I've ever seen. They're practically tripping over themselves while they rewrite history and shift the goalposts. It's insane. These people are without a doubt cultists.

[–]Gazareth 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many of those who said that are still saying it.

[–]feared_rear_admiral 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And they will keep doing it. Unfortunately that kind of person just doesn't ever learn, only if it directly affects them in some way. And even than nowadays people find a way to spin this around to fault themselves.

[–]Brainwash666 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because you are, this is just a website you child

[–]Neothanos 349ポイント350ポイント  (25子コメント)

Their ideology is a religion that has to be enforced at all cost ands by any means. Lying , corruption, abuses of all types are justified for the greater good , since they know "better" than anyone else.

 They are everything they pretend to figth. Sexist and racist bullies.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 112ポイント113ポイント  (8子コメント)

You're absolutely right. It's also telling that many of the more loud voices talk about how they were originally bullies or part of the problem in the past, but they've "reformed" and "fight the good fight." When in reality, they haven't changed, they're only found an outlet for their aggression and bullying that's accepted because the "cause is just."

[–]Pentavita 34ポイント35ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's the most notice-able trait of these "activists." They're the biggest sexists, racists, harassers & bullies because of their self righteous indignation.

And related to "why #GamerGate matters". I think we need a new movement/identity/forum to be named since there are many people who want to discuss these topics but don't wish to associate with video gamers. Various social pressures keep people from engaging because of either reluctance or embarrassment due to it focusing on gaming.

IDK it could be something to think about. The stretching the scope of #GG is probably hurting more than helping. Beside #GG is basically not the primary focus of these censorship attacks either (at least not anymore).

[–]GigglesAtPenis 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've said it many times regarding many unrelated issues, but it's just as true here: The worst kind of people are those who believe they have the moral justification to be an asshole.

[–]JakeWasHere 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis

[–]sirbeanward 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do think a lot of it is projection, in one form or another. Many people fall victim to this type of thinking if not cautious of it.

For example: If in my life, I am very involved in...I dunno, cooking pizza, and I do it all the time (I actually don't, but whatever), therefore I may subconsciously assume everyone has the type of knowledge/feelings I do about cooking pizza, because it's familiar to me, EVERYONE must know about it too.

My parents do this often, I've done it before--it's an easy thing to fall into. Hence all these statements from SJW types about how we're racist, misogynist, etc., it's very telling about how they think. It's how they feel inside, so of course everyone else thinks/feels/believes those truly racist things we're accused of.

[–]cvillano 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

perfect example: /u/Magres of planetside

[–]Kai_the_creatorTavion-Ezeilo of Deviant Art. Owns a condo on Mars. 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never got this line of thinking. If someone admits the way they acted in the past was wrong why act that way again? "Greater good" or not it's still wrong. If they truly wish to reform stop the bully tactics entirely.

[–]MIGuy470 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's the thing, they have a way to justify their shitty behavior in the past by marching under a different banner now. Just because they've deluded themselves into thinking they're fighting the good fight now doesn't mean that their methods are any different.

Chairman Pao wants us gone though, and they'll make sure it happens. As soon as they can shut the sub down, they will. We are obviously being targeted if you read what they're saying about the bans in general. There's noone else out there that a majority of it would apply to and it fits the bullshit media narrative about GG to a T.

It sucks, seeing the community fracture will seriously suck for a time, hopefully the majority of us can go somewhere else that isn't beholden to Corporates, Advertisers, SJWs and their agendas. I'm sure a fair number of us would pay for hosting and maintaining it, and mirroring it to hell and back. A lot of this shit that we're documenting is far too important to just ignore anymore.

[–]Solmundr 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

I wrote a rougher version of this shortly before The Announcement and current situation blew up. The TL;DR is that some of our SJW friends will admit they're engaged in "warfare" and that they feel any tactic is justified, from spreading lies to spreading fear and hatred... but they don't, and can't, become aware that they have -- in many respects -- won; that they control the social discourse, that they control the rhetorical weapons (privilege, oppression, racism, safe space, ...), and that they have become the bullies they want to believe they're fighting against.

Some have suggested that in "the real world", SJ-think is a lot less prevalent than it is on Tumblr. Which is true; but, of course, it would be hard to equal Tumblr. It is still the truth that in Rolling Stone, in the media, in government regulations, in schools, in academia, in the President's speeches -- this ideology is either the standard, or fast becoming so. What gets me is just what can't be said... including that.


I. WWRD?

"everyone knows that admins and mods of majors subs are majoritarily feminists and SJWs"

‎ ‎ ‎ That's fairly undeniable, by now. Feminist and SJ posts get put in /r/BestOf a lot, but as of the last time I checked, "men's rights" posts are banned. Mods in a variety of subs would only permit posts supporting that girl in the "Ga­merG­ate" debacle. No posts critical of feminism or social justice are permitted in quite a few subs. Reddit's former CEO was the virulently feminist P­ao. This is all without including the mods of non-default subs like /r/OKCupid or /r/TwoXChromosomes (2,000,000 subscribers!) or SRS... even some feminists have complained about the moderation in these subs, although I'd wager they're a tiny, tiny minority... but that any break the party line might say something interesting.

‎ ‎ ‎ I almost never see anyone from a Men's Rights sub or /r/TheRedPill, though I see tons of criticism and mockery. CoonTown and company are tiny and almost universally reviled. You won't normally encounter their supporters on Reddit. But if someone really hated those people, they'd probably seek out subs like SRS or even just browse TRP itself as "outrage porn", and get a skewed idea of Reddit demographics. Thus, all of the mockery and stereotypes about "fat Reddit fedora neckbeards who hate women", etc, while people enjoying the circlejerk about how racist/sexist Reddit is very much outnumber actual sexist or racist users. We will see this pattern again.


II. Pseudo-Rebel Weaponry

‎ ‎ ‎ Behind all of this, I think there's also a bit of a kind of attempted contrarianism -- people associate racism and sexism and Men and especially White Men with the default, dominant paradigm. That's what the Ignorant Masses and Society are all about, right? Look at all the white, male CEOs ruling everything. Think of all the racist, ignorant hillbillies you hear about. Everyone knows racism and sexism are everywhere. Thus, people criticize this perceived powerful-but-ignorant enemy as a way to signal sophistication -- they see through this stuff; they're not like the racist hicks or oblivious Other Whites or sexist men/Other Men! -- and as a way to show allegiance to the tribe that is based on caring about this stuff.

‎ ‎ ‎ So this creates a problem, in that a) a large part of this narrative has been built around Supporting the Underdog, and b) Defeating Oppression is the rallying cry. The idea of the brave, sophisticated and independent thinker standing up against the dominant forces of society is part and parcel of this group identity, and so people who self-identify as part of the social justice movement can't let themselves become aware that the enemy is a straw whiteman: that the racist hillbilly is a dinosaur, a minority, and a figure of derision for everyone; that social justice groups and ideas completely control modern social discourse; and that only a tiny, embattled minority cares about Men's Rights. Realizing this would mean that maybe one is not a rebellious freethinker, but just kind of going along with the dominant paradigm. That doesn't mean the paradigm is even wrong... but it does threaten self-image and ego.

‎ ‎ ‎ Meanwhile, over at b), being oppressed has become a badge of honor, like a battle-scar... but, more importantly, being an oppressor has become poison. Anathema. The word (along with "privilege", among others) is a weapon: tar someone with the Brush of Oppression, and they're doomed. Someone with Privilege must not venture any thought or comment upon these issues, cannot even understand them, and can, in fact, only apologize, grovel, and comply. (No exaggeration to say "grovel", by the way... I've seen so many people tear into apparently sincere apologies as Not Good Enough, repeatedly, until the victim oppressor either becomes enraged and takes them back, or leaves in tears and defeated.)

‎ ‎ ‎ So the prospect of this weapon being questioned -- of someone suggesting that hey, it kinda seems like most people are on board with your ideas, maybe you're not quite the desperate ideological underdog -- is deeply upsetting and disturbing to people who have built a movement armed with it. They might even worry it could be turned against them: witness the furious debates about who is more oppressed (trans-male privilege vs cis-female privilege is a big one), the desperate struggle to find ever more ways to be the victim. That's why you see people piling on the layers: "I'm a trans-Neptunian homophilosexual demi-romantic wolfkin with three headmates and cis-phonological tendencies..." It's armor.


III. Modern Taboos

‎ ‎ ‎ The thing is, anyone sympathetic to social justice, reading this, would probably peg me as a dirty rotten sexist racist pig. Notice how my other posts in this thread -- neutral observations that couldn't possibly be taken as a criticism of the movement -- are downvoted... almost as if it strikes a nerve to suggest that social justice isn't the underdog.

‎ ‎ ‎ But I'm not saying anything about the issues themselves; I think, in fact, the biggest shame of all is that agendas, signalling, and hysteria have completely taken over and overshadowed real inquest into the problems the social justice movement was (is?) trying to address. Racism is real, and terrible. Sexism is real, and awful. The Ruling Class is screwing stuff up. But you can't attempt to be rational about it, or ask "what is the real data?", or express doubts about severity... because it's not about finding out what's really going on. For some people, it's about the narrative, and the signals they're sending. For others -- with some overlap -- it is a battle, and arguments are soldiers: you've got to support every argument your side's got, or it's like firing upon your own forces. Some will even tell you outright that the facts don't matter as much as making sure awful things like the Patriarchy are dismantled. (Remember that Clymer fellow everyone turned on? He espoused this view. Live by the sword...)

‎ ‎ ‎ I don't mean to suggest that I think The End is Nigh, nor do I think that we're going to end up in some kind of "reverse 1984". I do think that we run the risk of creating an echo chamber, where to speak out is a huge social risk, and public policies of any sort can only be set by ideology rather than fact. (See: public schools, uni "tolerance police.") We already see people being fired for opinions; we see universities ensuring that only one view is tolerated, much less endorsed; we see that mainstream media can only support a certain narrative, else risk a storm of outrage (and the same for businesses); we even sometimes see attempts to subvert the justice system. I don't think it will bring us down... but it could stunt us. Living in a world where ideology controls discourse but cannot be pointed out is a recipe for a twisted society.

‎ ‎ ‎ So we've ended up with a culture where there are once again taboos -- taboos set and controlled by a group that pretends to be besieged and helpless, meaning that criticism automatically paints one as a target. There are many things you can't say (especially if you're a certain type of person... but you can't point that out, because the relevant terms, like racism, have been co-opted). It's a war, and truth is an acceptable casualty, and free expression is the enemy. This isn't even truly hidden, when people state outright that just attempting to reason about an issue is itself a type of oppression. (Don't start "mansplaining!")


IV. Endgame

‎ ‎ ‎ I question whether, if those who push the social justice narrative succeed with these tactics, it will be possible to sort out the truth later -- or if it will have vanished in dogma. Or if the idea of the "truth of the matter" will even be important, once the concept is so thoroughly trashed. I wonder whether it's not doing more harm than good to throw away careful enquiry. "Tar them all, and let Gaia sort them out"...?


For the record, I thought FPH was despicable; it was hateful and toxic. It's just that this seems like it could -- not necessarily, but could -- be the start of a classic "slippery slope". I'm wary that SRS, which is possibly the most brigade-y, harass-y sub of all, gets a pass.

If anyone is interested in further (and, if I am honest, much better) thought/analysis of social-justice-related ideology/statistics/data, from an objective source, who isn't me, PM me.

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015[M] 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Disregard automod. That Clymer link is to a year-old post, so it can't be voted on, therefore, can't be brigaded.

I've got other mod queue to clear, your post is up.

[–]Solmundr 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah, thank you. That's an amazingly quick response time -- impressive moderation; appreciate it!

[–]BrimshaeSun Tzu VII:35 / Survived #GGinDC 2015 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

BTW, if you want to toss that up as a [Meta] OP, I think it would get some good traction.

[–]Bloodrever 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

[–]RedPill4LYF 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to distract from the main point, but Simon Pegg has made a lot of fun movies and I just really like the guy. Even the extra features DVD for Hot Fuzz was great!

Anyway, yes, our detractors absolutely are projecting onto GamerGate as a means of shielding themselves from the exact criticisms they lay on us. GG is the scapegoat for all the shit they pull.

[–]A_killer_RabbiOh, it's just a harmless little rabbi, isn't it? 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

[–]JesusPimpHand 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I now prefer to think of them as evil superman from Injustice joining the Tau.

[–]Morrigi_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, the Tau are also a bunch of totalitarian communists who may or may not use cult-like mind control.

[–]sirbeanward 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This serves as a great example of how an ideology, when adhered to and pushed above all other concerns, regardless of the content of the ideology, is harmful.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 75ポイント76ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh I've always known why this matters.

I've taugh young boys and girls game design and I wouldn't want the girls to get an unrealistic expectation of what working in the game industry is like.

To expect a very sexist environment will turn girls off and it simply isn't accurate. The challenges for men and women are slightly different, but if I had a choice and my only goal was to do well in tech, I'd be female to get into the universities and entry level jobs and I'd be male to rise to the leadership positions.

If I had to choose only one, it'd be female. Better a decent job than the chance between a great job or nothing.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, keep in mind I'm mostly directing this to people who have just discovered this sub, and who have only kept a very minor interest in GamerGate, if at all. At the same time, this can be used as an uplifting reminder of why we do this.

However, your insight and experience is very appreciated.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and it was a very good post of yours.

[–]garybuseysawakening 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'd be female to get into the universities and entry level jobs and I'd be male to rise to the leadership positions.

I'd be female, given how they dominate middle-management positions.

I work in the same field. I've seen 19-year-old girls who can code in XHTML get $20/h jobs for diversity's sake.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not in the USA. It's a little better here.

[–]garybuseysawakening 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I live in Canada. I've seen guys get fired for not putting in 60 hours a week on salary, but see women pass under the radar. It's brutal.

[–]nodeworx 172ポイント173ポイント  (14子コメント)

A fitting comment I made in another thread:

This is not about fph, that is just a rallying cry or protest voting internet style if you will.

This is about censorship and double standards. This is harassment/racism/sexim cries being used for ideological purges. This is not about the enforcement of clearly defined rules, it is about these terms being used as blunt objects to get rid of undesirables.

When the rules and definitions are left deliberately vague, when ideologically approved subs can get away with murder, while others get warned or banned for ill-defined nebulous infractions, then there is a problem.

They wanted to use fph as the thin end of a wedge to start their purges, and reddit is saying no.

Fuck fph, fuck its content and fuck its users, but equally hard fuck these duplicitous, disingenuous attempts to create a 'safe-space' by trying to shove down our throats and enforce an ideology that people do not want.

You want proof? Just look at what has been banned and what hasn't! You think once fph is gone, that's it?

Once again and with feeling: fuck fph, but if we don't make a stand here, when will we?

Who do they have to come for next?


The whole Wu thing from ops post are the same trite and tired methods in another guise. Unfortunately it's very effective when those in power can use these methods without opposition and the media helps them spread their crap around.

This is why GamerGate is important and why I personally always believed that there is more to it than just ethics in journalism.

It's about a group of people that are simply willing to stand up and shout that the emperor really doesn't have any clothes on.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 73ポイント74ポイント  (7子コメント)

I honestly believe that if they had also removed other subs, like SRS, there wouldn't be as a big fuss. However, their targets are clear and precise, like a surgical strike. And this has nothing to do with "Oh, well we didn't want to start banning a bunch of subs all at once." because many subs have been removed overnight, but this time much more silently.

It's like a public execution to give context to what they want to do, followed by people just vanishing overnight, never to be seen again, without the justification and explanation they gave to the public examples.

[–]nodeworx 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

Indeed, this is usually the way it goes...

Something like this happens, people complain and all of a sudden admins come and throw any number of spurious justifications at the wall to see what sticks.

Whether people agree with all of this or not aside, one thing is crystal clear; this whole affair has been managed with a mind-boggling incompetence, and an incompetence that has its roots in arrogance, self-conceit, narcissistic ego and sheer hubris.

Reddit is the gorram front-page of the internet! Is a little respect for the users and a smidgen of competence and professionalism on the part of the people running this show really too much to ask?

[–]sunnyta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

also what happens is that the admins/mods do something like delete/shadowban/etc, people complain, the mods or admins are forced to respond, the apologists come in to say "stupid goobergooters, you're overreacting. lol freeze peech!" etc

it's a sad state of affairs when you have people with the freedom to say whatever they like promoting the censorship of certain places, people, and ideas just because they disagree with them. a certain evelyn hall quote comes to mind...

[–]Karmaze 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, I wouldn't say that there wouldn't be a big fuss. I would say that we would go to full on Internet nuclear war. FWIW I think we're at DEFCON 2 right now, and expect the missiles to be launched by the end of the year. I fully expect to be celebrating Christmas listening to some Weird Al. (It's Christmas at Ground Zero!)

But I do think that's the HEALTHIEST thing to do in the long run. I mean if they banned SRS/SRD as well and maybe even KiA (I'm not saying it's deserved, this is just a theoretical), as the person you're responding to said, they would have drawn a very bright line for what behavior is deemed unacceptable. Like it or not, someone who actually cares about harassment is going to have the power to do something about it at some juncture, and the SJW culture is not going to react well..at all..to being held to the same standards. We're going to have that nuclear war. It's just a matter of time.

But the person you're responding to is correct. Primarily, this is about double standards and using these social politic issues as a weapon against perceived "out-groups" and low status individuals. "Ethics in gaming journalism", is simply one form of opposing socially violent in-group/out-group bias.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can see where you're coming from. Instead of one side in an uproar, you run the risk of having both upset.

Why were WE banned?! We're not like them!

On one hand, it would be delicious tears for them to get a sudden realization that maybe, they actually are part of the problem as well, but it would most likely entrench their beliefs rather than admit to them possibly being in the wrong.

[–]Karmaze 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, what they're running away from, and I say this from experience, is that the whole social politics field being reframed away from "Feminists vs. Misogynists" towards something....else. (I think the collectivist vs. individualist frame is the most accurate). The banning of a collectivist sub-reddit (like SRS for example) for harassment/bullying would go a long way towards changing that frame.

[–]koeleskab 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not really surgical unless chopping down a tree with a shovel is now considered surgery.

[–]jeb0r 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fuck fph, fuck its content and fuck its users, but equally hard fuck these duplicitous, disingenuous attempts to create a 'safe-space' by trying to shove down our throats and enforce an ideology that people do not want.

<3

[–]Xipe_T0tec 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

this is what happens when bad people pretending to be good people (sjws) run into bad people that don't waste their time with pretense (FPH.)

[–]HBlight 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being a genuine free speech advocate pretty much guarantees that you will never like those who you defend and you will never be liked for defending them. Those are the moments you know it's important.

[–]Chicup 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

fuck its users

Only if you aren't fat ...

[–]Draconilian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The strength of GG here is that in the "First they came for the ____" We ARE speaking up, we won't let people we have no affiliation with fall to the SJW machine, and hopefully, they will come and stand with us too

[–]MrTastix 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly tl;dr: The biggest issue we have today, that we have since the dawn of time, in fact, is generalizations. The simple idea of labeling entire groups as one.

People need to sort things categorically into labels and for most part this works, but you cannot do this to people or their opinions. These are individual, they are separate and unique but people continue to make contrived arguments against entire groups based on the actions of one.

To punish the many on the sins of the one is foolhardy. It is unfair and it is unwise. No one likes it and yet everyone continues to do it. Generalizations are all these people have.

On an unrelated note I really liked this segment, came off as a bit propaganda-ish but was rather amusing to narrate in my head;

Our opposition is corrupt. They are liars. They are opportunists. They have power. They are privileged. They take up the banner of "Social Justice" and make the people who don't have power, believe they are in the situation they're in because of their race, their gender, or their sexual identity.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The biggest issue we have today, that we have since the dawn of time, in fact, is generalizations. The simple idea of labeling entire groups as one.

I can agree with this. Part of what GamerGate was labeled as a hategroup, was the victims blaming an entire group of people for the actions of a few. Even with 4chan, harassment and doxing was against the TOS, and any edgelords/false flaggers making the suggestions were deleted and banned. However, that didn't stop the victims from taking those posts, cropping them, and posting them on twitter as "proof." They didn't blame the individuals, they shifted the blame on the group as a whole, even though the group has a whole said time and time again they condemned the behavior and harassment.

Sorry my post was too long.

[–]kiwikku 39ポイント40ポイント  (4子コメント)

My thoughts: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/39ghhf/meta_incredible_similarities_between_now_and/

I keep shaking my head about how all the censorship today perfectly corresponds to everything that happened back in August/September. It's just like the first exodus from 4chan, only now Pao is Moot and reddit is getting the short end of the stick.

=> mass deletions

=> mass shadowbanning

=> 30+ news articles get dropped like a ton of bricks the next day

This is way, way larger than gamers are dead ever was. That's why I stand with FPH. They are our brothers and sisters, and they're where all the action is now. Believe it or not, this is essentially the next phase of #Gamergate. Version 2.0, the one that gives us all a new lease on life after all these months. It would be a foolish mistake to view the situations as two separate issues when all the problems come from the same source. You know what i'm talking about.

I never posted on their subreddit, and I think a lot of the jokes they made were horribly offensive. Yes, being fat is a choice, but is insulting them really the way to go? I prefer posting health statistics about how being fat almost always leads to an early grave. Before you ask, no, i'm not fat. But I can't stand the rank hypocrisy of banning a mildly offensive subreddit like FPH while leaving ones that blatantly insult people like me (/r/coontown, /r/niggersontwitter etc) up. In what world is that okay?

One last thing that's pretty cool are the names- #GamerGate and #RedditRevolt

They said that we wouldn't last a day when this whole thing started. They're saying the same thing about #RedditRevolt now. We can help prove them all wrong if we stand together. People don't understand that it's more than just #FPH. It's about justice and freedom of expression- and that's ultimately what Gamergate was about too.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're points and thoughts are resonating with my own. My inspiration for this thread was because of how I was starting to see a lot of connections to what made early GamerGate explode in popularity, and is why I wanted to point out what GamerGate mattered then, and why it still matters now.

[–]kiwikku 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks. I just think we should actively help make this last.

[–]iadagracadefinitely not a black guy 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Looks like those reddit were removed?

[–]HatredsBlazingGun 94ポイント95ポイント  (5子コメント)

If people haven't gotten the point yet that SJWs are the real problem, they are never going to.

[–]The_Choir_Invisible 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

IMO, there are more acts in this play which have yet to unfold. As more people see how narcissistic (among other things) their SJW icons are, they will begin to question their belief in them and the movement. But it takes time.

Take for example "Mattress Girl", the woman who accused an innocent man of rape at Columbia University and who carried around the mattress she was allegedly raped on as a sort of "proof" and a reminder to everyone what a victim she was. The real victim, the victim of her character assassination was found innocent of her charges but she continued carrying around the mattress. Just a few days ago, she released an explicit "reenactment" of her alleged rape, including a timestamp which referenced the date and time of her dismissed allegation.

That is, by all accounts, pretty fucking loopy behavior.

When all of this started, she had a lot of supporters. As time went on and her victim was cleared of any wrongdoing, she continued to carry around the mattress and she lost some followers. After the release of this arguably libelous "reenactment", she's outed herself as a victim roleplayer whose unchecked narcissism and revenge fetish is, as charitably as one can put it, "fucking creepy."

Now let's take a look at this situation right now.

While at least one of the other admins who was a cosignatory to yesterday's post was alleged to be a contributor to Zoe Quinn's infamous Patreon account (and all the things that might imply), let's put that aside and just focus on Reddit's current interim CEO. There are remarkable similarities in her and her husband's legal disasters, especially hers and especially her failed demand of $2.7M from Kleiner Perkins. Her behavior, at least, smacks of a dangerous kind of narcissism I gave in the "Mattress Girl" example, above: Claim victimhood. Regardless of legal findings, continue to claim unfair persecution. Destroy everything, if need be, to preserve the stance of victimhood- regardless of findings of fact by such trivial and trifling venues as, say, courts of law.

She's at least a million in the hole and that's a fraction of what her husband owes. She has few things left to destroy and so she turns to Reddit, one of the few remaining things under her control. The heads started rolling yesterday and they've been rolling continuously up until now. Expect her to continue to punish Reddit for her own mistakes and other things and bring it down. Do not be surprised if KotakuInAction eventually winds up being one of those things.

As with "Mattress Girl", she'd shedding supporters like a leper sheds digits and she will wind up as a dusty and often-mocked portrait Reddit employees pass by as they're heading to the lunch room.

Movements like this don't just lose support overnight. Their self-destructive leaders have to bring them down, one by one. Just give it time.

[–]aDAMNPATRIOT 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

she released an explicit "reenactment" of her alleged rape

To be clear. She filmed a fucking PORN OF HER ALLEGED RAPE STARRING HERSELF. WHAT THE FUCK MAN WHAT THE FUCK

[–]gekkozorz 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm always suspicious of people who act like SJWism "isn't a real thing."

Look around you. You can't be that stupid.

[–]Atratus920 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

I fucking felt this shit the first time I was talking about this with some people way back when that whole Fem Frequency fundraiser was just starting and before the whole gamer gate shit hit the fan.

Every SINGLE FIGUREHEAD that leads the movement is out for nothing else but notoriety and money.

THE RHETORIC IS ALL THE SAME, REGARDLESS OF THE PERSON.

To think I called Anitta a scammy Jack Thompson when I first heard of her. If only I knew then what I do now. Jack Thompson wishes he made this impact.

[–]wowww_ 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

If only Jack Thompson could have been a victimized woman with feminism at his back. He would have made mad bank instead of being laughed out of his profession.

Anita doesn't even have a profession, and she's hailed as skilled in her field.

It sounds like a terribly bad joke, if you think about it.

[–]Atratus920 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Straight fucking up, man.

Logic no longer exists in this world as something good people can use to move forward. We have to learn how to shout loud and repeat the same "victim" exploiting crap. Actual thought apparently no longer matters.

[–]reversememe 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Every single thing on reddit receives downvotes. It's an anti spam measure: reddit accepts all upvotes, but counters some with an automated downvote.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly didn't know that. Thanks for clearing at up. Any source on that? I'd love to read up on it in detail.

[–]Azzmo 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seven-ish people literally have the keys to all of reddit and have shown the precedent. Four universally disliked, minor subreddits will fall along with one major subreddit we don't like in each batch. What do we do now? I can't imagine how things ever go back to normal.

Do you hang on as the site slowly degrades into a hugbox of pre-approved topics?

Do you preemptively leave, searching for a better content aggregater?

Do you protest for as long as they allow you to express yourself?

[–]Family-Duty-Hodor 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Next batch:

coontown
sexyabortions
beatingwomen
cringepics
kotakuinaction

[–]tw1260 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love this sub. It will be missed

[–]GoneRampant1 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

In case KiA goes down, Spacebattles has a thread on this called Games Journalism 3- The Staffening. I'd recommend heading there if this place sinks.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are quite a few contingencies in place, however this has happened time and time again. This wouldn't be the first exodus by any means. Many though Twitter and Reddit would be safe after 4chan, and look at what we're facing now. And while 8chan as a whole is accepting, you have to find a board that's well moderated, and while there seems to be one that's fine now, /gg/ was that way too. We can't keep running, we can't keep just moving on to the next thing.

[–]LifeThirdTier 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never thought 4chan would censor so aggressively. 4chan of all places.

[–]SithLordDarthRevan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, moot sold out to an SJW like the cuck he is. Nothing stays the same forever..

[–]UberAndrew 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

This really needs to get to the front page.

I'm sure the couple dozen anti-Ellen and anti-fat posts could make room for something actually important.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes the quick and witty jabs are easier to spread than the things with substance. Just look at how journalism as a whole has become. It's more profitable to create a click bait article than it is to do the research and time into an article worth putting out.

[–]CongenoRule #1: LISTEN & BELIEVE 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Agreed. Upvoting to vain attempt to get to the top of /r/all!

[–]eDgEIN708 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought we were vote-locked?

[–]CongenoRule #1: LISTEN & BELIEVE 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope. The RedditRevolt caused a fuck up with Reddits servers so all upvoting and downvoting was delayed until they could sort it out.

[–]eDgEIN708 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh! That's good. I mean, I had upvoted anyway, I'm just reading like 20 different things that happened last night so my information isn't all in order yet. Thanks!

[–]Ranzera 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure the dox was a false flag but that's also unprovable.

[–]Oerath 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

On the one hand: fuck FPH, they were way out of line and did actually harass people on twitter and such; on the other hand: I am worried about subs like KiA that do legit organized activism getting banned because haters report them for shit they don't do. I've already been downvoted on other subs for pointing out how anti-doxxing KiA actually is; it's only a matter of time before some SRSer requests a takedown and the admins go for it based solely on the reputation KiA and GG have, regardless of whether it's deserved.

[–]4chanpartyman 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a Game Grumps quote that's dear to me and clearly defines how everybody SHOULD be reacting to this whole situation;

You've gotta draw the line somewhere... You gotta draw a line in the fucking sand, dude! You gotta make a statement! You gotta look inside yourself and say, "What am I willing to put up with today? NOT! FUCKING! THIS!!!"

[–]TheAndredal 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

We just need to archive everything

[–]axiomman 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]TheAndredal 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

nice, we should get it for june as well

[–]axiomman 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've been working on that. The Archive ends on May 14th, 2015, and I've archived about 50 threads from june 1

[–]TheAndredal 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

alright, it's massive undertaking. But it would be better to be sure and have it backed up

[–]axiomman 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

agreed. I suck a reddit, do you know how to go back to a specific time?
I want to archive from where the list leave off, rather than sorting posts by "new" and using the "previous" button.

[–]TheAndredal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh wow, i don't man. I would like to know that as well. Wouldn't the be listed if you just search the site?

[–]TheChiefLunatic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great framing of GamerGate in the larger context of free speech and honesty in the media. I would give you gold but, well, I don't feel like supporting Reddit financially right now.

People new to this subreddit: understand that the media is lazy and likes to smear people for clicks and fun and out of pure ignorance. Don't believe what you've heard about GamerGate.

[–]DarrellDeeznutz 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Any websites like reddit (new or old) that still stand strong against censorship?

Reddit has gone to complete shit lately.This site used to be so promising and felt so free, but has now became what I hate most. A censored up, circle jerk, reposting, social media machine that bows to the demands of fat, tublr, SJWs. Several of sub reddits have gone private due to the moderators not agreeing with the admins that censored other subs. While I agree with the mods of those subs that censorship is not what this site needs, they too have ruined the experience. Either you allow all content (within legal means) or don't have any content at all. I no longer want to be a part of this site now that the CEO and Admins feel the need to water down reddit to make it seem more PC. FUCK YOU ADMINS! You ruined this site and now i am looking for an alternative that shares the same values that reddit used to.

Ellen Pao recently said "It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform." I hope she dies along with all the fat, tumblr, mouth breathers that she made feel "safer."

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any websites like reddit (new or old) that still stand strong against censorship?

Well, 8chan. The admin has made his stance on free speech and censorship clear from the start. However, 8chan is not a site for everyone. Even though anyone can make and moderate their own board, the more popular boards are steeped in chan culture, which isn't always the most welcoming.

[–]AlexHD 28ポイント29ポイント  (15子コメント)

First they came for the Gamergaters, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Gamergater.

Then they came for the fat haters, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a fat hater.

Then they came for the Reddit users, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Reddit user.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

^ This sums it all up pretty nicely.

[–]AlexHD 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

For those unaware it uses the template of a quote from Martin Niemöller about German intellectuals who cowered and failed to stand up against the Nazis as each new group was persecuted.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Indeed. Some people might scoff at using an analogy that compares to Nazis to something like this, but just because one is extreme and the other isn't remotely near the level of important of the other, doesn't mean you can't draw parallels and comparisons to it.

[–]KirbyMew 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

extreme sjws: it is for your safety these humans must be blocked and silenced. For a safer more diverse society. Would you like to know more? We are not dehumanizing them, they are worse than ISis and KKK anyway (no evidence) We need to be safer and diverse! These opinions, words, people must be silenced! these evil people do not deserve to use reddit, twitter (patreon, wiki) like us!

goebels: list nr. 7. The Jews have no right to claim equality with us. If they wish to speak on the streets, in lines outside shops or in public transportation, they should be ignored, not only because their are simply wrong, but because they are Jews who have no right to a voice in the community.


repeat of MN quote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[–]Morrigi_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, at least the Nazis would have come for the SJWs.

[–]Orzasku 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gamergate was pretty much an eye opener for me. I never realized just how much media outright lied and made up false narratives to spin their stories. Facts be damned, what actually happened isn't important, only thing that matters is having a story that sells. It makes me wonder just how many other people have had their names dragged through mud by liars and hypocrites.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like I said, I never liked the analogy of "taking the red pill" but after awhile, that's honestly what it felt like.

[–]ggdsf 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

this:

Many times, truth was stranger than fiction.

this
https://archive.is/20150611165757/http://mic.com/articles/38635/aaron-swartz-interview-video-months-before-his-suicide-he-warned-corporations-could-censor-the-internet

and this

Some claim the simple solution is to migrate to other sites, but that's already been done before. Places that were thought to be bastions of free speech slowly turned into this exact scenario. A stand has to be made. This isn't about whether or not 'fatpeoplehate' was worth deleting. Some will say it was, some will say it wasn't. The problem is how easy this new policy will be for them to abuse. This isn't about stopping hate, this is about shutting us up.

GamerGate has evolved now, we're not only fighting for the truth, for freedom, we're fighting for one of the core pillars of western society, a pillar that upholds civilization. Not one pillar of western civilization can fall or the whole structure falls.

Also there's already someone taking a stand, he's called frederick brennan, the guy is in a wheelchair

[–]JeremyEnemy 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

First they came for the people who hate fat people, and I didn't speak out, for I don't hate fat people.

[–]Blimington 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a woman who is passionate about gaming (and my rights!), I find it terrifying how influential these anti-GG groups are, because they don't fully understand what GG even is at the core. If they keep getting away with censoring and silencing free speech and artistic expression, it won't help anybody; not even themselves.

[–]karmasutur3 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yup. And where is this current shitstorm being reported?

Almost nowhere. Because those connected in these journalistic outlets don't want this story out.

When they do report it, you can be your ass it will be spun to high heaven.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually, another person has already pointed out a couple articles being spun about it.

If this is the beginning of the end of Reddit, then Reddit deserves to die

Reddit Bans Five Harassing Subreddits, Its Trolls Respond Exactly As You’d Expect

Now, while there are the trolls who frequented FPH making a mess on 'all' right now, these articles are making it sound like that's all of what's going on. Just trolls making a mess. So everyone who are legitimately bringing up other concerns, are being grouped together with the trolls.

Sound familiar?

[–]karmasutur3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Precisely. Spin spin spin. Never mind that the posts on /all prove by upvotes that the majority opinion is that this entire censorship is bullshit.

[–]RoseEsque 12ポイント13ポイント  (14子コメント)

Bravo! Or brava, haven't the slightest of your sex. Brilliant post, well worth reading. I hope you have it saved somewhere in case it gets deleted.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is archived, need not worry. Might create a video later today to go along with it, but I have a busy next couple of days, and that would be time consuming.

[–]NotEnoughCooks 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

haven't the slightest of your sex

SEX IS AN UNSCIENTIFIC, UNPROVEN, PATRIARCHAL TERM. CHECK YOUR FUCKING PRIVILEGE.

[–]RoseEsque 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

Fucking privilege: ☑.

Am able to have sex. What now?

[–]KosherDensity 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right now the very same gaming journo sites are rrunning stories in tandem about Reddit.

It's "Gamers Are Dead" all over again. This time calling us trolls for not favoring safe spaces over free speech.

Hmmm, E3 just around the corner, anyone surprised?

"Pure Coincidence!"

[–]wowww_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it interesting that all this shit has been happening in the same year (relatively)

[–]bobcat 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

OP, in case you didn't notice, the first person to retweet LWu's castration threat was Randi Harper.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been aware, but thank you for pointing that out as well.

[–]MrWizeass 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This seems relevant to the tone of the post. https://youtu.be/aenQml8g_ww

[–]isockforcash 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

...so this has what to do with ethics in journalism again?

[–]Pointless_arguments 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder what will happen when Gamergate gets up from the computer and realizes that there are even bigger problems in the US with police brutality, a corrupt justice system, and the rich constantly screwing over the poor? Is what we're seeing the start of a cultural revolution? I kind of hope so.

[–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's some top shelf quality posting there, leader.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's really rotgut filtered 10 times.

[–]Mrlagged 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

just charge 20 times the going rate and people will flock to it because its premium.

[–]thedogsoldier 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bloody good show. I have lurked too long on reddit, I agree we need to make a stand and at least force them to make a policy that we both agree on!

[–][削除されました]  (15子コメント)

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    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

    I've commented on this a few times already, but to me the point wasn't that the banned a potentially hate filled, vitriolic, harassment farm. Even since the initial 5 subs, there's been many more, some of which had no proof of any harassment taking place. FPH was a public execution, to frame what they are doing, but since last night, many more have just disappeared silently with no explanation.

    With a sub like KIA, it will be a bit harder to just ban, but the point of my example with Wu in the OP was to show how easy it can be to label an entire board or group as a hate group focused on harassing people, when that wasn't the truth. KotakuInAction, because of its relation to GamerGate, is already a hub for harassment, and I wouldn't be surprised if some admins are convinced of that themselves. Once they have the justification they need, it's good night for us here.

    So again, this isn't about FPH, but it's about what this is all leading up to.

    [–]tones2013 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well it earned the ire of the fat acceptance movement, whch is tangentially related to sjw. And i think i heard something about tess holiday boasting she was going to have it shut down. I'm sure ostensibly it was about harassment. Even if its debateable that they were tolerating or encouraging harassment, but the point is if reddit is going to be made 'safe space friendly' then nothing is really safe.

    [–]Arm-the-homeless 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Judge all black people by the actions of the few - Racism

    Judge all people who are against censorship and thought policing by the actions of a few - Social justice

    This is the problem with social 'justice':

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to heaven yet at the same time likely to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on the level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” -- C.S. Lewis

    [–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Great post. 10/10

    [–]jokersleuth 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm a supporter of #GamerGate because if we let this feminazi and sjw bullshit stand, games will be safe spaces instead of creative creations. Developers would be forced to make "safe games" so they don't get bad publicity. If we keep fighting this feminazi and sjw bullshit, games can remain as they are.

    [–]mybowlofchips 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

    On that screenshot the 4chan fags claim Wu posted his own personal info. Since chans are anonymous does anyone else think its true? Did Wu dox himself?

    [–]iSamurai"The Martian" is actually a documentary about our sides. 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's more likely than not.

    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 9ポイント10ポイント  (11子コメント)

    It's worth pointing out, this is 8chan by that point, not 4chan. Also, usually when a dox gets posted on 4chan or 8chan, the joke is to blame the person themselves, because it's not their desire to get or release that information. Some people mean it as a joke, other people actually believe it.

    At the end of the day, there's just as much evidence to claim someone who actually supports GamerGate posted the dox, as there is that it could be a third party troll like GNAA trying to stir the pot, or if it was Wu. There's no way to know for sure, but what is clear, is that it wasn't wanted, asked for, and was against the rules established by the board's admins and enforced by their mods, just like here.

    [–]mybowlofchips 6ポイント7ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Given Wu has a major victim complex I would not surprised if he doxed himself. It just seems convenient that he was so quick with that screenshot and post

    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It certainly is, and it's very clear they were at the very least lurking. So while there can be no concrete evidence to prove Wu was the one that posted the dox, you can be sure that they saw the very same thread I posted, saw what people were saying, and saw how they responded to the dox.

    You have to ask yourself why would they would intentionally leave out information, such as harassment and doxing being against the boards rules, how people responded to the dox, and how the dox was removed in a timely manner. Why would they omit that information in their national coverage they got? We know Wu saw it, because we know Wu was lurking in the thread.

    [–]rjep2 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Don't forget about this

    Wu was caught in an instance trying to instigate hate against himself, my money is on that he doxxed himself.

    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I remember that. Wu tried to make it sound like they were just trying to pose the question and start a discussion, but the phrasing clearly seems to point that Wu was trying to false flag and got caught.

    [–]MonsieurKerbs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I feel like this needed a TLDR

    [–]Synchrotr0n 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Watching the subscription peak on www.redditmetrics.com/r/kotakuinaction after that terrible decision by the admins is literally porn for my eyes! The biggest increase since /r/kotakuinaction was created.

    [–]BendersDame 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The far left Marxists in denial that are sjws will NOT have their way 39K here to the 8K in ghazi much more activity these indoctrinating Marxist FUCKS have no chance! We are winning and will win!

    [–]jeb0r 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    finally something of substance <3 thank you leader :)

    [–]Sepples 2ポイント3ポイント  (44子コメント)

    I'm someone who casually browses reddit, dislikes video games, and dislikes people being assholes for no reason.

    Why should I care?

    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (24子コメント)

    The example of Wu and blaming all of 8chan and GamerGate for her harassment on national television provides context to how easy it is to blame an entire group of people for the actions of the few. With this new policy of removing subreddits they deem to be hategroups and centers or harassment, it's very possible they can easily label any group they see fit as such to have them removed. They've already removed more subreddits than just the initial 5, with a couple already having no proof of harassing behavior.

    Another user, /u/AlexHD, retold a poem to show the meaning fairly well:

    First they came for the Gamergaters, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Gamergater.

    Then they came for the fat haters, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a fat hater.

    Then they came for the Reddit users, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Reddit user.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    [–]Sepples 1ポイント2ポイント  (23子コメント)

    Let me ask some more questions:

    Who is Wu? What is gamergate? What is 8chan? Why do people think that Pao was removing sub-reddits she found disfavorable when her statement is that she was trying to both make reddit more palatable and fight brigading/harassment?

    I mean, I casually browse reddit to look at funny pictures and discuss teas and books. I don't really see what I should be worried about.

    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (22子コメント)

    Who is Wu?

    A game developer who proclaimed herself a target of GamerGate. The rest of what's relevant is in the OP.

    What is GamerGate?

    That's a very long answer, however if you have 2 minutes, this video is one of the best quick answers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipcWm4B3EU4

    What is 8chan?

    8chan, where the 8 represents Infinite, not the number 8, was a site sprung of the idea of 4chan. However, instead of the admin and moderators deciding what boards to create, any user could create a board and bring on their own moderators to moderate it. I talk about one of these boards in my OP, referred to as /gg/, which was 8chan's most popular GamerGate board at the time.

    Why do people think that Pao was removing sub-reddits she found disfavorable when her statement is that she was trying to both make reddit more palatable and fight brigading/harassment?

    She's been on record stating that "It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform." Coupled with the fact that so far, their grounds for banning some of the sites in question have been suspect, mostly the ones involving NeoGAF.

    [–]HariMichaelson 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Because you might be next. All you have to do is say something the establishment doesn't agree with, which could be anything, depending on the time of day and their collective mood. Also...

    "...and dislikes people being assholes for no reason."

    If you have legitimate reason, it's not "being an asshole." That said, "being an asshole" is extraordinarily vague. What exactly do you mean by this?

    [–]tones2013 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    if you casually browse reddit then you have nothing invested in reddit and thus wouldnt care if reddit became shit. You can find funny pictures anywhere.

    [–]Sepples 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mhm. All I want to know is why a neutral person should take a side.

    [–]Clockw0rk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Don't hitch the GG wagon to this.

    This wasn't an organized conspiracy to promote friends, make money, or manipulate consumers.

    This was an actual bigotry and harassment forum that got shut down.

    These were people that actually celebrated people they disliked dying, and encouraged doxxing.

    SJWs and FPHs are kissing cousins. Absolutely immune to reason, beholden to a narrative, and set on labeling people they dislike as a burden to society.

    Be upset about /r/NeoFag getting unfairly censored, but don't mistake who the actual bad guys were here.

    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

    This isn't about whether or not 'fatpeoplehate' was worth deleting. Some will say it was, some will say it wasn't. The problem is how easy this new policy will be for them to abuse. This isn't about stopping hate, this is about shutting us up. Chairman Pao has come up a lot in this subreddit, because her actions and scams have directly related to our interests and discussions

    I feel this is important to point out. This does relate to GamerGate because it's widely accepted that it's a movement compromised of harassment and a hategroup. There's an open letter on Ghazi right this moment, trying to appeal to the admins to close down KIA for the same reasons they closed FPH. I was trying to demonstrate how easy it is to label an entire group of people as something they are not, and then use that "evidence" to justify their actions.

    And I was further making the point that, for all those people who thought GamerGate didn't matter to them, that it's these tactics they can use to get rid of content or ideas they seem unfit or wrong. While GamerGate is mostly associated with ethics in journalism, the opponents and tactics they used against us are being used everywhere else. From STEM fields, to literature, to just casual message boards. This is why it's important. This is why we need to bring this information to light.

    I'm not upset about a sub I've never visited, I'm upset what this is all leading up to. They have started a slippery slope, and they have not shown they are responsible enough to not slip down.

    [–]RenegadeDoc 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This, indeed.

    If this banning of a toxic subreddit were in a different context, it would cause zero outrage.

    The problem is the climate of reddit and the SJWs that are pushing this crap poisons the well.

    We all expect a certain standard of behaviour within society, for instance, and this has allowed SJWs to invade public gatherings (like conventions) and write up policies all in the name of this thing we all agree is good. Rules against harassment, rules to ensure people can be removed if they breach rules of conduct we would all see as a minimum for human interaction. They simply use these altruistic notion to push their own narrative.

    While they will selectively enforce their rules against people we agree are a problem, they will also refuse to enforce their rules for political reasons or try to include ideological opponents in the "problematic" behaviour category (banning the honey badgers from a comic expo, for instance, because they were political and might offend people, or some crap, but featuring actual events that are deeply political and offensive to PLENTY of people; ie feminist panels :P)

    We all hate when a slippery slope fallacy is invoked as if it's an argument, but in this case I think it's an important point to being up because it is repeated by these ideologues so often.

    [–]Clockw0rk 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I was trying to demonstrate how easy it is to label an entire group of people as something they are not, and then use that "evidence" to justify their actions.

    Again, be upset about /r/NeoFag. That's a case about labeling a group as something they're not.

    FPH was in the title. There was no redeeming value to it. You're defending the internet version of the KKK.

    GG is a hard enough battle without linking arms together with actual internet hate groups.

    If anything, Ghazi might succeed in getting KiA banned if we all appear to be FPH sympathizers.

    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I wasn't defending any of the subreddits. In fact, the only time I bring up FPH is to say this isn't about them. FPH wasn't the only subreddit banned, even in the initial chopping block. I don't know why you're acting like I'm some how endorsing FPH, and how they have been acting since the ban.

    [–]cakesphere 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'd say the large amount of people here are more upset about the selective enforcement of the rules.

    You can't ban a sub for harassment but leave other harassing subs that share your political views up. It's an ideological purge at that point, not an enforcement of the rules.

    [–]Clockw0rk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree.

    Banning FPH was not the problem, selective enforcement of the rules is the problem.

    [–]M3OWMlX -1ポイント0ポイント  (17子コメント)

    This has nothing to do with gamergate. #GamerGate would be more popular and probably actually successful if it wasn't just an anti-sjw circlejerk

    [–]Josh123914 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So has everything useful on this subreddit been archived?

    i.e. the news threads, the top posts, anything that we'd need to have records of in the future?

    If not, Let's get cracking.

    [–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    GamerGate has learned very early on to archive everything. There are dedicated archivists who spend a lot of time and effort doing so.

    [–]syvsekstini 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm just gonna say Thanks to those folks. It is appreciated.

    [–]descartessss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The removal of the fph subreddit, is hardly something comparable whit the gamers are dead, so, I don't know why you what to heavily relate the 2 thing. That subreddit was borderline to start with, and attacked single person multiple times.