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DISCUSSION[Discussion]Now you see why #GamerGate matters (self.KotakuInAction)

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[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 78ポイント79ポイント  (7子コメント)

I honestly believe that if they had also removed other subs, like SRS, there wouldn't be as a big fuss. However, their targets are clear and precise, like a surgical strike. And this has nothing to do with "Oh, well we didn't want to start banning a bunch of subs all at once." because many subs have been removed overnight, but this time much more silently.

It's like a public execution to give context to what they want to do, followed by people just vanishing overnight, never to be seen again, without the justification and explanation they gave to the public examples.

[–]nodeworx 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Indeed, this is usually the way it goes...

Something like this happens, people complain and all of a sudden admins come and throw any number of spurious justifications at the wall to see what sticks.

Whether people agree with all of this or not aside, one thing is crystal clear; this whole affair has been managed with a mind-boggling incompetence, and an incompetence that has its roots in arrogance, self-conceit, narcissistic ego and sheer hubris.

Reddit is the gorram front-page of the internet! Is a little respect for the users and a smidgen of competence and professionalism on the part of the people running this show really too much to ask?

[–]sunnyta 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

also what happens is that the admins/mods do something like delete/shadowban/etc, people complain, the mods or admins are forced to respond, the apologists come in to say "stupid goobergooters, you're overreacting. lol freeze peech!" etc

it's a sad state of affairs when you have people with the freedom to say whatever they like promoting the censorship of certain places, people, and ideas just because they disagree with them. a certain evelyn hall quote comes to mind...

[–]Karmaze 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well, I wouldn't say that there wouldn't be a big fuss. I would say that we would go to full on Internet nuclear war. FWIW I think we're at DEFCON 2 right now, and expect the missiles to be launched by the end of the year. I fully expect to be celebrating Christmas listening to some Weird Al. (It's Christmas at Ground Zero!)

But I do think that's the HEALTHIEST thing to do in the long run. I mean if they banned SRS/SRD as well and maybe even KiA (I'm not saying it's deserved, this is just a theoretical), as the person you're responding to said, they would have drawn a very bright line for what behavior is deemed unacceptable. Like it or not, someone who actually cares about harassment is going to have the power to do something about it at some juncture, and the SJW culture is not going to react well..at all..to being held to the same standards. We're going to have that nuclear war. It's just a matter of time.

But the person you're responding to is correct. Primarily, this is about double standards and using these social politic issues as a weapon against perceived "out-groups" and low status individuals. "Ethics in gaming journalism", is simply one form of opposing socially violent in-group/out-group bias.

[–]TheBacklogGamer[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can see where you're coming from. Instead of one side in an uproar, you run the risk of having both upset.

Why were WE banned?! We're not like them!

On one hand, it would be delicious tears for them to get a sudden realization that maybe, they actually are part of the problem as well, but it would most likely entrench their beliefs rather than admit to them possibly being in the wrong.

[–]Karmaze 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, what they're running away from, and I say this from experience, is that the whole social politics field being reframed away from "Feminists vs. Misogynists" towards something....else. (I think the collectivist vs. individualist frame is the most accurate). The banning of a collectivist sub-reddit (like SRS for example) for harassment/bullying would go a long way towards changing that frame.

[–]koeleskab 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not really surgical unless chopping down a tree with a shovel is now considered surgery.

[–]Zefrem23 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe the person is a tree surgeon? ;)