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Ex-Ravens cheerleader pleads guilty to raping 15-year-old boy (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com)

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[–]toscott_2000 427ポイント428ポイント  (22子コメント)

Gonna say it right here. If there are any teachers or cheerleaders who needs a good fuck. Don't go to a kid, PM me. I will give myself to save these poor teenage boys.

[–]whatdhell 100ポイント101ポイント  (9子コメント)

You are some sort of hero!

[–]XbtNorth 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

Now reddit needs to come up with a superhero name for him!

[–]moleratical 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm think Motherfucker or perhaps fuckboi.

[–]Amaegith 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well his user name has Scott in it and he's some sort of sex pilgrim soooo.....

[–]zenicaone 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now reddit needs to come up with a superhero name for him!

SuperMotherFucker ?

[–]The_Evil_Within 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now reddit needs to come up with a superhero name for him!

The Fucking Fucker. He'll wear crotchless tights.

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    [–]dildonkers 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How could m'lady refuse this body?

    [–]Jatz55 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

    As a (legal aged) teenage boy, I also volunteer as tribute.

    [–]AShinyTorchic 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    i'll second this notion. come runnin if ya need a good fuckin

    [–]bitcleargas 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thank god for you heroes! I'll send my 25 stone, 80 year old nan over now... I hope you're not too sensitive to strong smells...

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      [–]SpacemanSlob 432ポイント433ポイント  (198子コメント)

      And let the double standarding begin!

      [–]IAMA_dragon-AMA 115ポイント116ポイント  (119子コメント)

      It's happening in this very thread!

      [–]cuteman 182ポイント183ポイント  (116子コメント)

      From OP!

      ...boy dies of high fives.

      Do that person also think a man raping a girl is funny or do they just have a rotten character?

      [–]derpydo2 144ポイント145ポイント  (54子コメント)

      I don't think it's ever been fair or right to call consensual sex rape of any kind.

      It's not rape. We need a more appropriate term for it because it just takes away from the seriousness of actual violent rape.

      It's a double standard because nobody really ever thought the law was fair. Special interest groups just get age of consent laws passed and that now what we all think is right.

      There was never any kind of scientific reasoning for the age choices, it's more or less arbitrary which is also why age of consent laws are anything from 12 to 18 years old.

      We should create a law for this that isn't rape. Something like manipulation of a minor for sex and it should not carry 15 years unless it's actual rape.. like forcing a person physically to have sex with you should be the only definition for rape.

      We never want to have put multiple crimes under one name. child molesting is any sexual contact with a child, rape is forcing someone to have sex with you and statutory rape should be called someone without rape in the phrase.

      It's not justice to treat consensual sex like it's rape, even if one person is a minor, because rape implies a violent crime and consensual sex is not a violent crime.

      [–]CopyRogueLeader 45ポイント46ポイント  (27子コメント)

      like forcing a person physically to have sex with you should be the only definition for rape.

      No. That's a terrible idea. There are lots of ways to verbally coerce someone into having sex they don't want. You can say a lot of things to frighten or manipulate someone into it. I'm with you that statutory rape laws need to be reconsidered, but to say you have to physically force someone into it for it to be rape invalidates a huge percentage of real victims.

      Threatening to hurt them or their family, threats to ruin their reputation, financial control, religious indoctrination, brainwashing, etc. All rape, none require physical force.

      [–]skarphace 69ポイント70ポイント  (11子コメント)

      A threat of violence is still an act of violence. /u/derpydo2 still has a point that statutory rape, when consensual, is an entirely different kind of act.

      [–]VonBeegs 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So, by this logic would you say that if a prostitute doesn't want to have sex with someone (because they're tired) but does anyway because offered money, then we could claim that the prostitute was raped?

      [–]BigJimSlade1979 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Are you saying someone who was convinced to have sex but then regrets it is rape? Because.... it's not.

      [–]nashkara 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      You reminded me of this news story about 'sexual assault by fraud': http://www.salon.com/2014/11/24/new_jersey_lawmaker_introduces_sexual_assault_by_fraud_bill/

      [–]BigJimSlade1979 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lovely,

      So she would have had sex with the guy if he actually had a Ferrari but when she finds out it's just a rental It's rape?

      I love the world I live in.

      [–]njskypilot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Of course its NJ, most backwards state ever. That bill died a quick death...thank god!

      [–]FalloutBoS 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

      What about when a guy uses 'game' to get a girl in bed. He is verbally and physically coercing her. All it would take is a willing prosecutor.

      "The defendant made promises to enter a committed, monogamous relationship with the victim. She felt compelled to have intercourse. The defendant used his knowledge of human sexuality to get what he wanted. Her virginity."

      [–]Matthevv2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Like me for instance who was raped at 9 by an 11 year old female. She threatened to tell on me if I didn't do it with her and me being 9 fell for it and didn't want to get in huge trouble.

      When people downplay female on male rape it makes me angry. Women can rape through words and manipulation, not just force.

      [–]bostongrappler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Threats are force.

      [–]BigJimSlade1979 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Threats of violence would be considered force IMO. Financial control, religious indoctrination and brainwashing however are not rape.

      Blackmail is not rape. It's blackmail. It's it's own crime. It's picking the lesser of two evils. Is it horrible? yes! Is it rape? Not exactly.

      Having a religion or belief that you should be having sex for this reason or that is not rape. It's a poorly made choices and to my knowledge not criminal.

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        [–]The_Evil_Within 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

        We need a more appropriate term for it because it just takes away from the seriousness of actual violent rape.

        "Statutory rape"

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          [–]CurlyFern 31ポイント32ポイント  (24子コメント)

          the weird thing is that I think it is men repeating these sorts of things... I don't get it...

          [–]eatredditsbandwidth 86ポイント87ポイント  (3子コメント)

          And slut shaming is overwhelmingly done by other women.

          Welcome to people, we don't always have our own gender's best interests at heart.

          [–]ShelSilverstain 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

          And anti abortion protestors are overwhelmingly women

          [–]fknpee 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "Why,Why,Why,Why,Why is it,..... that people who are against abortions,...... are you people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?"

          George Carlin

          [–]Luffing 19ポイント20ポイント  (11子コメント)

          because the way boys and girls are raised to think about their own sexuality is vastly different.

          Most guys see this as statutory rape, but still think about "15 year old me would have been happy" because they've never actually dealt with the consequences of such a thing.

          It's not a big puzzle. nobody is condoning rape.

          [–]brunes 25ポイント26ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Actually its because most guys DO remember 15 year old them, how horney they were, and how they would have loved to have "dealt with the consequences" of this.

          Men and women are different, biologically and mentally, during puberty. This is science fact and all the PC nonsense in the world won't change it. Most statutory rape laws are messed up as it is.

          [–]Antiochia 17ポイント18ポイント  (6子コメント)

          15 year old girls are as well horny as hell, that is why most countries have laws protecting kids in general from older people taking advantage of it. Maybe you as a 15 year old boy would have enjoyed being seduced by your friends mom, just as some girl might not think bad about having a nice behaving caring sugardaddy, but your 25-30 year old personalities might think totally different about it afterwards.

          We know that teens are horny as hell,and sometimes not sane, when it comes to that. That is why it is expected from the non-teen person to control themselves to avoid legal actions.

          [–]The_Evil_Within 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          15 year old girls are as well horny as hell

          In most of the cases you hear about, if it's a girl she thinks it's love and is devastated when she finds out she's been a pervert's fucktoy and nothing more. If it's a boy, it's sex.

          A man having sex with a girl gets reported when the girl figures it out. A woman having sex with a boy gets reported when the boy stupidly brags to his friends.

          Not every case, but that's generally the way it works out.

          [–]SentrySappinMahSpy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "Because you might regret it later" doesn't seem like a very strong argument. Adults do things they regret all the time. You usually learn more from those mistakes anyway.

          Was that kid damaged by his experience? I don't know. I imagine some kids would be, and some would handle it better. The law doesn't really take that into consideration.

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            [–]masterevan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You say that, but im guessing 15 year old boys who have been in similar situations would say otherwise.

            15 year old boys say they'll deal with the consequences, because they dont know the consequences.

            As a former 15 year old boy I can attest that they are morons who cant think ahead, and make dumb assumptions about consequences.

            The laws exist to prevent coercion of minors because at 15 you're still going through puberty (mentally at least, because you're still adjusting to hormones)

            If the genders were reversed, would we say the same things?

            [–]DrProfessorPHD_Esq 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            What a stupid comment. Your don't even know what the real consequences of something like this are.

            Not every boy in the world is exactly like you. Not every guy wants to have sex at that age. Some people want to save it for the right person and/or marriage. Not to mention that not everyone is attracted to women.

            [–]cohumi 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Let me enlighten you, she's fucking hot and i I would bet that the sex was consensual and is only deemed as rape since he's a minor. I would have killed to be banging that super milf when I was 15, hell getting any pussy at that age was monumental.

            [–]walczyk 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Look at women, men can't be raped, etc

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              [–]sammysfw 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

              I think most people recognize that it wasn't rape; it was consensual sex that the state says is illegal.

              EDIT - 15 years old = totally rape, throw away the key. In less than a year, it's totally fine, though. Yeah, that's reasonable.

              [–]DirewolfGhost 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Maybe they're from Estonia? The age of consent is 14 there.

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                [–]yvaN_ehT_nioJ 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Do you have to worry about shedding scales?

                [–]H37man 23ポイント24ポイント  (59子コメント)

                Changing everyone gender perceptions does not happen overnight. But as long as law enforcement is doing there job as they did in this case eventually it will change.

                [–]sammysfw 39ポイント40ポイント  (32子コメント)

                Or, maybe 15 years in prison is a hyper overreaction regardless of the genders involved.

                [–]autistitron 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                maybe 15 years in prison is a hyper overreaction regardless of the genders involved.

                Which will never change unless women are affected by it too.

                [–]H37man 9ポイント10ポイント  (22子コメント)

                She has not been sentenced yet. So I doubt it will be 15.

                [–]morris198 40ポイント41ポイント  (21子コメント)

                Except a 48-year-old man found guilty of having a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old girl would almost certainly get a good fifteen-years.

                Equality demands that she would receive fifteen-years.

                Reason would dictate that a statutory case like this where it's the state who invalidate the consent given by the minor (rather than rape where the victim is unwilling), neither a male or female perpetrator would receive such a ridiculously harsh sentence.

                [–]ShelSilverstain 22ポイント23ポイント  (16子コメント)

                A guy I know was 22 and having sex with a 17 year old boy. The man got 20 years.

                [–]morris198 16ポイント17ポイント  (7子コメント)

                That's insanity. 17-years-old is perfectly legal in, like, 80 to 90%+ of the developed world. Was this in California? Sounds like something the psychotic moral-crusaders in California would pursue.

                [–]derpydo2 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                This is why you can't endorse high sentences like this for a completely consensual act. It's not justice and in time laws like this will be changed to be more realistic instead of being motivated by special interest groups and hype.

                [–]bad_memory_bot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                A lot of places have a limit to age gaps for people 16-18. So yes to sex with someone your own age, no to sex with an adult much older than you (like more than 3 years). And a 16 year old is in 10th grade, a 22 year old almost or entirely finished with college. That's weird and completely imbalanced in power.

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                  [–]lumloon 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  Was this California? California has a relatively strict age of consent.

                  Most other states have 17 or 16 as ages of consent, or cover this kind of relationship in Romeo and Juliet.

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                          [–]werepat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/16/prosecutor-rape-sentence/28839361/

                          Delaware prosecutor gets 18 months for having sex with a 16-year-old boy. Is it one year of age that makes the difference, the offender's age, or his political position?

                          It's one state over, too. Why the disparity on sentencing.

                          [–]d00ns 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          It's not a crime if the kid masturbates to the memory of it later.

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                            [–]farticustheelder 69ポイント70ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Remember all those times someone said "I'm banging your mother!"? Maybe not all of them were making it up.

                            [–]s-b 47ポイント48ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Article comment: "Good God even the ravens cheerleaders are felons…"

                            [–]iWant_To_Play_A_Game 104ポイント105ポイント  (49子コメント)

                            Why would anyone want to fuck someone as old as their son?

                            [–]donkeyotee 76ポイント77ポイント  (21子コメント)

                            Evolution. We have evolved to like what we like.

                            It's only been in very recent history that humans have waited to their twenties to start having kids. When a man sees a certain waist to hip ratio his lizard brain tells him that's a woman who is fertile. Now think about the multitude of grown women who shamelessly had crushes on a very underaged Justin Beber.

                            It's possible the kid was physically more developed than usual. Obviously it was poor judgment on her part. I'm just offering an explanation to satisfy your question.

                            [–]SlamBulkhead 8ポイント9ポイント  (14子コメント)

                            Speaking as a grown woman, I believe I speak for the overwhelming majority of us when I say I have never found Justin Beiber sexy, not now that he's a legal adult, and certainly never when he was underaged.

                            [–]Trashcanman33 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            He's never looked like a grown man though. There are plenty of 15 year old kids who look like they are 20.

                            [–]FascistAsparagus 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            Okay, that may be the case with Bieber, but the fact is people's sexual attraction is more a function of biology than culture. The only thing that's surprising about this story is the gender. Most men are attracted to women who have just reached sexual maturity.

                            [–]MadPoetModGod 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Tbf though, even as an adult, Bieber is still dropping a young gay woman vibe. I think I read somewhere they call them "bois" (pronounced like boys)? I don't remember. There's simply too much slang to keep track of these days.

                            [–]derpydo2 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The way human reproduction evolved to work is that men more or less persistently seek out sex and women basically select the ones they will have sex with.

                            That means you shouldn't expect the woman to be the sexual initiator in most cases and we know statistically this is the case also.

                            So.. in other words, it doesn't matter who you find sexy. It matters, among the guys who hit on you, which one you find the least repulsive. It's your job to select, but you can only select from the guys who hit on you.

                            That's generally how the process works, with exception of course, but most people still follow their evolutionary roles pretty closely.

                            In this case however I'd say the mom just likes younger guy because her entire life has been based off her looks and aging is basically the worst thing that has ever happened to her up until she was charged with rape. One way to make her feel better about getting old is to have sex with young people. In her mind that might prove to her that she isn't really old.

                            Or.. she just was horny and the kid has game....

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                                [–]AimToBCalmAndLogical 57ポイント58ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                Lots of people.

                                [–]ItIsOneCrazyWorld 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                Would you be asking why if this was a 48 year old man nailing a hot teenage female?

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                                  [–]mintygumdude 162ポイント163ポイント  (49子コメント)

                                  Honestly? I believe a fifteen year old should be able to consent to sex. It's implied that the teenaged boy willingly had sex with the criminal, though someone correct me if I am wrong.

                                  However, there is clearly still a double standard present; had the teenager been a woman and the adult a man, there would be utter outrage and the man would be labeled a pervert. There would also not be nearly as many people talking about how the teenager was "lucky".

                                  It all boils down to "Men want sex all of the time, but women are pure and innocent and devoid of it". A very fucked up sentiment that hurts both sexes.

                                  [–]astonvilla91 38ポイント39ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                  European countries with ages of consent 15 or lower

                                  • 13 Spain
                                  • 14 Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, San Marino, Serbia
                                  • 15 Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Iceland, Monaco, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden

                                  [–]kratistos 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  Just so you guys know, there're of course special rules for so called Schutzbefohlene in Germany, including teachers, legal guardians, etc.

                                  [–]nebuchadrezzar 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Professional cheerleaders?

                                  [–]dildonkers 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Professional cheerleaders sure make me Schutzbefohlene...

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                                    [–]PubliusPontifex 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    How horrible, I need to research this topic more, where can I find more information on obtaining a Spanish travel visa? /s

                                    [–]jamesnthegiantpeach 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Spain age of consent was rised to 16 last year, or a couple of years ago.

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                                      [–]whatdhell 42ポイント43ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                      What I'm confused about is, even if the kid says "I want to fuck you so bad!". Should the 48yr old adult take the higher road and give the kid some advice instead of saying "lets do this, GOOOO RAVENS!"?

                                      [–]mintygumdude 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      You raise a very good point which I agree with. But at the same time, that statement could apply to a sixteen or eighteen year old with little life experience.

                                      [–]whatdhell 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      The closer you get to the line, the harder it is to see. Although I've met some pretty immature old people before.

                                      [–]mintygumdude 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yup. Maturity is not dependent (exclusively) on age.

                                      [–]somtimesicry 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      48 makes it a little creepy

                                      [–]FascistAsparagus 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      It's utterly creepy, but is that really a reason to put someone behind bars?

                                      [–]POGtastic 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Should the 48yr old adult take the higher road and give the kid some advice instead of saying "lets do this, GOOOO RAVENS!"?

                                      Doesn't even have to be advice. "Sorry kid, you're not legal." Don't fuck children.

                                      [–]LucciDVergo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      you're right, no one should be rooting for the Ravens at such a young age.

                                      [–]twoweektrial 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      So, I'm guessing you wouldn't be so confused if an eleven year old said that.

                                      Those laws exist because young people are easily manipulated and abused by older people. Do you remember how impressive seniors in high school seemed when you were in eighth grade? That's an example of a power differential, and the power differential between a fifteen year old and a 48 year old is massive. Children aren't capable of consent legally because they're much less likely to fully understand the consequences of sex, and much more likely to be manipulated by older people.

                                      [–]PubliusPontifex 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      "lets do this, GOOOO RAVENS!"?

                                      You know what, I don't care that they consistently have one of the best defenses in the league, they're a terrible, terrible reason to have sex.

                                      If you ever said "GOOO RAVENS!" before sex, you're worse than a pedophile.

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                                        [–]Paladin4Life 17ポイント18ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                        So, this sounds fucked and all, but I know girls who consented to sex with older men at the age of 11. Apparently they just wanted to get laid and to this day refuse the possibility that the men they slept with were pedophiles.

                                        I think that's a little extreme... but I definitely agree that a 15 year old should be able to consent at least in a court hearing type situation. Don't lower the actual age of consent, but if the kid wanted it, then there's no need to put someone on a sex offender list and fuck up their life over it.

                                        It's like sending someone to prison for holding marijuana - save that shit for what really matters.

                                        [–]Luepert 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        Don't raise the age of consent. Just make it legal for people under the age of consent to consent...

                                        [–]twoweektrial 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        We're trying to protect children from abuse by adults. An adult of any age having sex with an 11 year old is abuse; the power differential is immense, and it's ludicrous to assume an 11 year old really understands what they're doing, and the dangers of it.

                                        [–]RedactedTact 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                        I dunno, I was statutorily raped at 14. I was unusually intellectually mature and fully physically developed. At the time and up to a year after, I thought I wanted it and consented and was fully informed. But the more I thought on it, the more I realized how pressured and forced I felt. I was basically terrified, but I didn't know what to do, and at the time I thought statutory rape was bullshit. There's really no solution because you can't take it case by case, that's not bureaucratically feasible. I'm more in favor of the graduated age bracket laws, and I think underage mutual statutory rape is one of the most ridiculous laws that exists. It's frustrating because I want to believe that teenagers can consent most of the time, but often they aren't truly consenting, they've just gotten themselves into too much and don't know how to get themselves out.

                                        [–]Globalscree 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        I shared sex with a 23 year old when I was 15, they were supervising me on my work experience. I would never consider that rape. I initiated the flirting, we are still friends 12 years later.

                                        [–]masterevan 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Maybe. but your situation is yours. The law exists for across the board, its upto the courts to deceide the course of action with judgement

                                        She was in a position of trust and guardianship over a minor. Whether it was consensual or not she definitely broke that.

                                        Can she now be trusted with other children? Again, what if the genders were reversed? And no imagine you find out the 23 year old male guardian on a trip had sex with your 15 year old daughter.

                                        its not clear cut.

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                                          [–]nebuchadrezzar 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          That's a good point, when you are young you might not really know what's going on or how its affecting you until you mature. I completely agree about the age of the participants being important. A 30 year old guy and a teen is one thing, but prosecuting a guy who is one or two years older than his girlfriend is crazy. They could be dating in high school, and after graduating if they have sex its a felony.

                                          [–]vecnyj 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          A 30 year old guy and a teen is one thing, but prosecuting a guy who is one or two years older than his girlfriend is crazy.

                                          Most states have Romeo and Juliet laws for that.

                                          [–]nebuchadrezzar 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          I think a lot of that has to do with the idea that men always have sex for their own gratification, and the willingness or gratification of the woman can be an afterthought or not even a consideration. It's hard for people to imagine a 48 year old guy having sex with a 15 year old girl because he loves her or he's trying to please her, we just assume he's out for self-gratification. At the same time, it's hard to imagine a hetero 15 year old boy who wouldn't want to have sex with a professional cheerleader. In one situation, its hard to imagine the older person isn't taking advantage of the girl. In the other, its hard for people to see how the older woman could possibly take advantage of the boy.

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                                            [–]IAMA_dragon-AMA 47ポイント48ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                            Up to 15 years in prison

                                            Alright, and what's the minimum? What is the least possible punishment that exists for admitting to have raped a minor?

                                            [–]FLAMINGCUMBOX 71ポイント72ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            We'll find out when she eventually gets the minimum sentence.

                                            [–]GaboKopiBrown 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                            Since when has reddit favored minimum sentencing laws?

                                            [–]McFluffTheCrimeCat 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            Not sure, because under Maryland law I'm not seeing rape in the 4th degree. http://www.dpscs.state.md.us/onlineservs/sor/sor_crimes_article.shtml

                                            Edit: Thanks /u/AimToBCalmandLogical for correcting me on where the case is taking place, Delware has rape in the 4th, but no minimum listed.

                                            [–]AimToBCalmAndLogical 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                            Seems she is being charged by MarylandDelaware, as that is where the crime took place.

                                            [–]McFluffTheCrimeCat 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            I know that's why I linked the Maryland laws that would relate. If I'm reading them correctly rape in the 2nd is minimum 15 years but there is no rape in the 4th listed. But if we are talking about sexual offense in the 4th degree the max is 1 year. Just not seeing rape in the 4th so maybe I'm missing it, but under Maryland law it doesn't seem to be a thing.

                                            [–]AimToBCalmAndLogical 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            I know that's why I linked the Maryland laws that would relate.

                                            lol whoops, I'm stupid af. I meant to put Delaware.

                                            Delaware is where the crime occured.

                                            [–]McFluffTheCrimeCat 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Ah well that makes a lot more sense she was charged in Delaware they do have rape in the fourth, a class C felony, but the laws I'm seeing say a maximum of 15 years but no listed minimum. I'm actually seeing some related cases where some is on probation for the same charge, no jail time.

                                            [–]AimToBCalmAndLogical 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Ya, I looked it up in quite a few places and also saw just the maximum listed with no minimum listed.

                                            [–]McFluffTheCrimeCat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Well I guess we're all out of luck for a minimum listed. Thanks for correcting me from Maryland to her being tried in Deleware though. :)

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                                              [–]gman7e 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              If only we taught women not to rape

                                              [–]3rdLevelRogue 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Silly you, women aren't responsible for their actions! /s

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                                                [–]SpeakLikeAChild04 154ポイント155ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                For those of you saying that the kid wanted it and that it's not a big deal but a sexual fantasy for teenage boys, answer me this: What happens if and when a horny and immature teenage boy doesn't use protection and knocks up this sexual predator and she decides to keep the baby?

                                                Yeah, that's something for you all to think about.

                                                [–]egonil 113ポイント114ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                This happens:

                                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

                                                [–]AimToBCalmAndLogical 102ポイント103ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                Absolutely ridiculous decision. If the government wants the child taken care of so badly, they should provide support, not force the child that was statutorily raped to do so.

                                                [–]Cheeky_slag 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                I would live the rest of my life destitute and homeless before I would ever pay a cent of that.

                                                [–]Bardfinn 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                In many states you would be in contempt of court and thus in jail for failure to pay, even if you were destitute and homeless.

                                                There is at least a Supreme Court decision requiring the judge to make a finding of fact of one's (in)ability to pay before finding one in contempt of court; the mere fact that payment was not received for child support is no longer sufficient to jail someone. The system still needs improvement.

                                                [–]Cheeky_slag 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                Hey the state just solved my homeless problem!

                                                [–]safe_in_the_sound 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                And they say we don't live in a nanny state.

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                                                  [–]CornCobMcGee 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                  Yeah, but the kid "didnt say no or tell his parents, so he clearly wanted it" /s

                                                  [–]AimToBCalmAndLogical 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  Yeah, kinda funny how they saying he's unable to consent during the criminal trial, but take the opposite view during the civil trial.

                                                  [–]LaceratedCantaloupe 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  That's messed up. Who were the 12 assholes on that jury?

                                                  [–]Mikeavelli 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  it's a civil decision made by a judge. No jury involved.

                                                  [–]LaceratedCantaloupe 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Well I guess that narrows down the search quite a bit then!

                                                  [–]FloydMarley 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Kansas, of course.

                                                  Source- I live in Kansas.

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                                                    [–]TheNotSoGrimReaper 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    They meet up when she gets out of jail, get married, and have another baby.

                                                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

                                                    [–]fuckthemodlice 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Yeah the media coverage on this was pretty sick.

                                                    "She raped a kid but he wuvs her! Look at what happy family they are! AWWWWW"

                                                    Gross.

                                                    [–]yoda133113 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    But we helped him so much by locking his future wife away for a number of years and preventing her from pursuing her career!

                                                    Edit: This, of course, isn't meant to be support of her. She had sex with her 12 year old student. That's not a good thing to support.

                                                    [–]FallingOffALog 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    More like have a baby while on bail, take a 6 month plea deal with 3 months suspended and a no contact order, break the no contact and get knocked up by him again as soon as she gets out of jail, go back to jail for several years for violating the plea agreement (second kid was born while she was back in jail), then get out of jail when he's 18 and get married.

                                                    [–]bayerndj 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    What do you mean what happens?

                                                    [–]leangoatbutter 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Shit you just described me when I was 15. She was 23. From what I understand is that there is a strong chance I have a child out in the world who by my account would be 11 or 12 years old. I've tried to contact the mother but that was years ago. Sometimes it is something I think about, but ultimately I liken it to a girl who gave up her baby for adoption when she was 15. Except I don't have as strong of emotions as I assume a mother giving up a child would be.

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                                                      [–]orzoO0 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Her son is face palming so hard.. Those "I fucked your mom" jokes are real now

                                                      [–]Balrogic3 61ポイント62ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      So, when is the boy going to prison for getting raped?

                                                      [–]crueltyfromweakness 49ポイント50ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      whenever he's old enough to pay child support.

                                                      [–]PhildoTheHumanDildo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      "When women are punished like this it just discourages other women to have sex with young men" -comment from article

                                                      [–]______ayy_lmao______ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      ITT: people arguing about whether a grown adult having sex with a child is something that's worthy of jail time or even punishment.

                                                      [–]coalminnow 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                      While I think this case should be treated as a rape because it is a rape, let's not kid ourselves. That kid will be harmed more by being put in the media's spotlight than by the act of having sex with her.

                                                      [–]LikeWolvesDo 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      The real victim here is the boy's friend, (and the woman's son). That shit is traumatizing. How would you ever speak to your mother again?

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                                                        [–]Globalscree 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        Wait, how is she allowed around her own children? A male pedophile would be denied all access to kids.

                                                        [–]fuckthemodlice 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        I believe they have different standards for actual pedophiles (attracted to children pre-puberty) than they do for statutory rapists who have sex with sexually mature teens.

                                                        Is she going on the registry?

                                                        [–]FallenAngelII 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        To those thinking 15 is "close enough" and that the prosecution overreacted:

                                                        This article was woefully incomplete. She initiated the relationship, allegedly by "reaching out to [him] on Instagram" (i.e. it wasn't a case of him coming onto her and her giving in to his advances, she made the first move).

                                                        Also, she did this in May of 2014. The kid is 15 now, which means he was 14 at the time, so he was, in fact, 2 years away from reaching the age of consent in her jurisdiction.

                                                        Sounds like a sexual predator to me!

                                                        EDIT: The article might be so incomplete it's referring to him as a 15 yearold even though he's now 16, but 15 last year, when they had their sexual encounter.

                                                        [–]gonnaupvote3 12ポイント13ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                        I don't think its wrong for a woman to sleep with a 15 yr old boy... but I don't think its wrong for a man to sleep with a 15 yr old girl either so ... .I'm just an asshole

                                                        [–]direknight 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        I'm just an asshole

                                                        No, you're right. Despite what much of reddit claims, fifteen year old males and females are more than capable, mature, and intelligent enough to consent to sex. Much of the world accepts this (as it has for thousands of years), and only in the past few decades have puritanical views started to change this.

                                                        [–]Knotwood 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Absolutely! My great grandfather and great grandmother got married when he was 14 and she was 13.

                                                        [–]fuckthemodlice 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                        Despite what much of reddit claims

                                                        Do they? I think most people would be in favor of dropping the age of consent.

                                                        [–]direknight 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        I used to think so but looking at most of the comments in this thread suggests otherwise.

                                                        [–]fuckthemodlice 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        I dunno, I think everyone just has a boner for that fact that a woman is being prosecuted under this law, but I think if we were to have a calm discussion about it we would find that most people are on the same side.

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                                                          [–]guitarist_classical 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                          This is a classic reddit clusterfuck issue. Usually reddit hates it that women get preferential treatment but they also think that they were mature enough to have sex with an adult at these ages....but never should a man do this to a little girl. If a man does this, he should rot in jail and be trampled everyday. Oh, this issue twists reddit's collective hypocrisy to the max. HA!!

                                                          [–]Colonel_Angus_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          I'm a father ( boy & girl early teens) and I found I fall into this mind trap as well. I would be more forgiving if some cougar banged my son but if some perv touched my daughter I'd go super saiyan.

                                                          [–]guitarist_classical 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          I wonder why us men are such hypocrites....

                                                          Females mature faster, emotionally and physically. If any teen is capable of a relationship with an adult, it should be females.

                                                          [–]Peregrination 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          Why do you amalgamate a collection of opinions then assert those opinions are from a single entity? It's not hypocrisy if different people hold different non-conflicting opinions.

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                                                            [–]HS_00 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            The Shattuck family fucks Baltimore once again. Literally.

                                                            [–]gia_was_here 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                            I'd need to see the picture of the 15 year old. Then I'd judge this.

                                                            [–]LifeIsADick 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            Is this him? http://charmcitywire.com/former-ravens-cheerleader-molly-shattuck-charged-with-having-sex-with-15-year-old/

                                                            [–]ijustcantstayaway 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            "Shattuck’s ex-husband is 60-years-old, meaning she went from a guy with wrinkly balls, to a guy whose balls have barely dropped. She also has a son who is 15.

                                                            A 47-year-old ex-cheerleader has no doubt taken more than her fair share of dicks in her life, and she was so impressed at this kid’s sexual prowess that she took him on a week vacation in Bethany Beach? I guess when she took him in public everyone just thought it was her son. Also, where are this kid’s parents that he’s allowed to just up and leave to go to Delaware with this sexual predator?"

                                                            [–]Aynrandwaswrong 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Journalism is alive and well.

                                                            [–]Zeus1325 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            WTF? Imagine if the sex was switched and you made the comment...

                                                            [–]derpdiddly 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            Relevant: http://i.imgur.com/2KBSbP3.gif

                                                            [–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 14ポイント15ポイント  (23子コメント)

                                                            "Shattuck faces a sentence of up to 15 years in prison, the Baltimore Sun reports. She will also register as a sex offender and may not have contact with minors other than her own children."

                                                            wow.. /r/pussypassdenied

                                                            [–]zarkovis 48ポイント49ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                            Don't kid yourself. She'll get 1 or 2 years at best and thats not counting her being out earlier on parole.

                                                            [–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 20ポイント21ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                            Fuck.. and then writes a book and is congratulated for being such a strong, independent woman who went through the horror of being accused of rape.

                                                            FUCK

                                                            [–]Bardfinn 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                            She won't get paid for the book; US law prevents criminals from profiting from their crimes in any form.

                                                            [–]obsidianchao 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                            Is that true? I've seen quite a few books written by people who were in jail, about their experiences. They don't make a dime?

                                                            [–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                            There's got to be a way around that... have a friend to your biography and give you cash?

                                                            [–]Bardfinn 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                            The "friend", if smart, would "forget" the deal and disavow it if you attempted to enforce it; Aiding and Abetting is the statutory equivalent of the underlying crime, in the United States.

                                                            [–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            hmmmm... k I'm just playing Devil's Advocate .. there has to be a way to capitalize on this if you are a woman accused of rape in this double standard society.

                                                            [–]Bardfinn 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            Accused, sure. Convicted? Not directly.

                                                            [–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                            Interesting... what if her friend writes a book on her experience with her friend that got arrested for raping a minor and they give the woman cash gifts from the monies generated from the book sales?

                                                            [–]Bardfinn 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                            Structuring, which is a felony;

                                                            Money laundering, which is a felony;

                                                            Aiding and abetting statutory rape which, with the addition of commerce, becomes child sex trafficking.

                                                            Presuming that it comes to the attention of authorities or could be proven in court.

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                                                              [–]Piemasterjelly 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                              She hasnt been sentenced yet

                                                              So I wouldnt say that just yet but my money is still on her getting a disproportionate amount of time compared to a male offender just based on past cases like this

                                                              [–]2cold2hold2hot2handl 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              Yeah... I just re-read that... "she's facing a sentence" and the fact that she took a guilty plea.. probably time served and some probation and she'll be back on the field as a "strong, independent" woman who don't need no man.. except when he's 15.

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                                                                  [–]The_FatGuy_Strangler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  Why is it that there seems to be far more public outrage when the genders are reversed? If it was 48 yr old man and 15 yr old girl, people think he's the scum of the earth... Reverse the genders (especially when the female is attractive) and you get the sense that deep down, a lot of people are thinking "atta boy!"

                                                                  [–]Joe1972 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  As far as I recall a 15 year old boy is by definition in a state of permanent consent. Its the 15 year old girls who never wanted to have sex.

                                                                  Obviously, I'm not talking about being forced here, I'm only talking about the concept of statutory rape. Is this a double standard? Obviously, but you know what? Men and women are not wired the same and I for one don't believe we should try so fucking hard to fit everyone into the same moulds.

                                                                  [–]gatkinso315 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  All these misinformed posts about how the boy was no victim. Well, all of you people who post that are ignorant. I can tell you for a fact that after these episodes the boy was hospitalized. Doctors are not sure of he will fully recover. The amount of damage to his shoulder and clavicle for excessive high-fiving may not be repairable.

                                                                  [–]cherrybombswerebomb 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  This is all I could think about: Nice

                                                                  [–]BoneyTee 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  When I was that age I would have not felt like a victim

                                                                  [–]Bean_Eat_O 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  How dare you feel the way you feel?

                                                                  [–]Muad__dib 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  I know, right? When I was in high school, my heart fluttered when my young, atttactive, history teacher asked me to see her after school. I would have loved to dissapoint her.

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                                                                    [–]mungbeen 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    If I had something like that fuck me at 15 I would still be getting high 5's from my mates...

                                                                    [–]t6brit 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                    You know what? Here's an idea for you. All boys should have a sexy mama like that to teach them how to do it right.

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