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[–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 54ポイント55ポイント  (5子コメント)

We aren't actually that passive if you think about how we interact within gaming.

This is my response to the post this morning which essentially asked the same thing;

Why did gamers fight back as much as they did? There's dozens of small reasons that contribute to what is a perfect storm against SJWs/Moral Authoriatarians. It boils down to being gamers really... It's largely a part of the culture.

  • Defiant streaks

Think about it, any time someone or something in a game says "Don't do XYZ" what's the first thing you do?

  • Problem solving

I'm sure we have our fair share of former/current raid leaders from MMOs... People capable of boiling a problem down to a series of movements, a perfect custom strategy designed to defeat.

  • Connectivity

This is often overlooked, but even before the rise of social media, gaming was already very well connected... It's one of the reasons word of mouth remains so strong within the industry.

  • Cooperation

Personal anecdote; some of the people I play games with, would likely not walk away from a real-world encounter with me... I have friends who are friends with one kid in particular... We hate eachother's guts. But we're able to cooperate in games like rust, bf4, mmos, etc... Even though we've both acknowledged our utter dislike for eachother, we can put it aside to achieve common goals.

  • Infighting

Gamers are constantly at war with one another, whether it be console wars, console vs PCMR, pvp, or just halo/COD style shit talking, we are built to withstand minor disagreements and venomous shouting matches all the same.

  • Thick skin

Years of being maligned by the media and non-gamers leaves us with zero fucks to give about what people think of us... We're going to do what we do, pray heavily if you plan on getting in our way.

  • humor

Think about it, April fools might as well be the international gamer holiday. And SJWs want nothing more than to be taken seriously... When we deny them their validation... They get angry, and when they get angry they fuck up.

These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, and I could probably rifle off 10 examples of each one... The Tldr is: we were built for this (inadvertently of course) and if you look at the majority of our opposition, you'll see it's a perfect counter to them.

[–]mfdoll 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

We aren't actually that passive if you think about how we interact within gaming.

The WOW wiki is the second largest wiki last I heard. That's a lot of work, certainly not done by "passive" people.

  • Connectivity

This is often overlooked, but even before the rise of social media, gaming was already very well connected... It's one of the reasons word of mouth remains so strong within the industry.

Even taking ignoring multiplayer, gaming as a hobby has always engendered discussion. TV is at times too, but gaming has always been like that. Sharing strategies, swapping stories, it leads to discussion, and thus connectivity even outside of the games themselves. Think of how many times people buy a new release game "to be part of the discussion."

  • Cooperation

Personal anecdote; some of the people I play games with, would likely not walk away from a real-world encounter with me... I have friends who are friends with one kid in particular... We hate eachother's guts. But we're able to cooperate in games like rust, bf4, mmos, etc... Even though we've both acknowledged our utter dislike for eachother, we can put it aside to achieve common goals.

I touched on this before with "sharing strategies", but this is huge. Even competitive games tend to have cooperation. Not just team based games either. As much as the FGC gets a reputation for being harsh, they're actually incredibly helpful to newcomers. You won't get that impression if all you know them for is the tournaments, but in casual matches afterwards, in weekly gathering of players all over, people are sharing tips and strategies constantly. I was never good enough to get any respect within a tournament, but every tournament I went to there was always a highly skilled player taking the time to help me learn afterwards.

And for your anecdote, I can very much relate. For any game with a good about of strategy, I'd rather play against a skilled played I dislike than an unskilled player I'm friends with. I play a lot of board games too, and it holds true there as well (and that means I have to be in the same room of the person I dislike!)

[–]GreatRedYeti 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because as gamers, we don't care about your gender, race, religion, or social values. We care about your skill.

But I forget myself. That is ableist. /s

[–]mfdoll 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's so true though. I think outsiders just hear trolls using insults based on race, gender, sexuality, etc. and think "that's what gaming culture is." No, that's trolls using what they know will get people riled up the easiest, and you're playing right into their hands by reacting to the trash talk. If that's your only experience with something competitive though, I imagine it can be a bit shocking. The safety of the internet just allows for worse insults than you would hear in any competitive event that took place face to face.

Meanwhile, the FGC is incredibly racially diverse, has had top players that are transgendered, has a women's tournament for Street Fighter, and even a high level disabled player! All that matters is how skilled you are at the game. And they aren't just diverse, they've got the thickest skin too! Every one of those players knows that any insults spewed at them by people they've just beaten are just verifications of their superior skills. Words that might hurt in any other context are instead met with laughter, as the only thing that matters is who's character is still standing at the end of the match. It may seem harsh to outsiders, but anyone in the scene knows that if you can't handle trash talk, you aren't going to be able to handle what it takes to get good either.

[–]GamesJernelizt 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's basically proof that gaming makes you a badass.

:D

[–]totlmstrBanned for triggering reddit's advertisers 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also known as "goodluck.png".

[–]SpawnPointGuard 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because they declared war on a group of people who play Dark Souls for fun.

[–]GPuzzle1[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

People whose favorite hobby is bitching about things they like and watch dwarfs descend into madness as a pastime.

Pissing in the wind.

[–]Soilus 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's an article about how the tattooing community is also rejecting SJW demands. Basically any community that has solid past experience fighting off crusaders (both of gaming and tattooing, historically the crusades came from the right) are better at resisting. Also communities that are less concerned with being called stupid little names, either because sticks/stones or because there's already a healthy culture of calling each other names so the whole "words are like bullets" thing doesn't really make sense.

[–]supergtt 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I haven;'t heard of this, source?

[–]mgod19http://i.imgur.com/nigrDxc.jpg 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe he is referring to this http://www.inkedmag.com/cant-get-fucking-neck-tattoo-jane-marie/

And the original sjw article https://archive.is/asX6a

[–]Soilus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks - this is what I was referring to

[–]kaotik-weevil 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

They didn't necessarily fail to break in as they did fail to take over entirely.

They were fairly entrenched for a while, but once the "Gamers are Dead" articles came out, it rustled the Sleeping Giant from its slumber, and started a narrative struggle that continues to this day.

The difference here is that all of us random gamers don't have a lot to lose by holding them to their bullshit.

They took over sci-fi writing because they threatened to not publish authors who didn't toe the line, same with comics.

However, you can't really do that with games. There's simply too many of us to overlook, and too much of our money to lose if major developers start pandering too much to SJW bullshit.

Not to mention, most of these turdballs barely have any conviction of their own. How many of these people who bitched about diversity in the Witcher 3 still followed it up with "well, yeah I'm still gonna play it."?

Exactly.

[–]JesusSaidSo 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

Its weirder than you think. The gaming audience is HUGE and DIVERSE! Surely you would think that there would be at least a sizable group that would back SJW ideals and make them stick at least a little...

But if you look at sales numbers for explicitly Feminist or SJW games, they are horrid. Next to no one plays them. Most of their sales end up being through bundles. Even with FemFreq pushing people to buy and play, sales numbers don't move at all.

Why is this? Why were other communities hit so hard, but gaming having such a backlash?

My theory is that Gaming is an active participation community. To be part of the gaming community you really need to either make games or play games. Simply talking about games isn't enough. The community will pan you for being an outsider. Anita Sarkeesian (or was it FullMac?) knew this, and that's why they spun the whole "lifelong gamer" BS.

You need to have gamer cred. Once you lose that, you're basically out.

Look at Leigh Alexander. She even has the epiphany "If I'm so influential, why am I so broke?" moment after trashing her gamer cred.

You will never stop gaming or gamers. You would literally have to detonate multiple EMP bombs across the globe to do it. We're like cockroaches... autistic cockroaches.

[–]-Buzz--Killington-Misogoracisphobic Terror Campaign Leader 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

We're like cockroaches... autistic cockroaches.

I want to make this our 45k sub thing...

[–]AFCSentinel 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why not 43 or 47? They are prime!

[–]JesusPimpHand 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

47 please, it's my favorite prime

I don't have a prime number fixation.

You can't prove anything.

It's too loud in here

[–]JesusSaidSo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been gaming since we were rubbing two pixels together to make graphics. No hipster or Feminist is going to push me out of my hobby.

[–]the_nybbler 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's simpler. The group that backs SJW ideals is rather small in the general population. Very loud, but rather tiny. There's a somewhat larger group which will go along and amplify their shit-throwing, but that group wouldn't actually buy SJW games either.

[–]justanotherindiedev 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

A thouand RPGs where the holier than thou characters always turn out to be the most evil

[–]Limon_Lime7-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

No they broke in sadly. We just won't back down when they threaten us.

[–]Soilus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you elaborate? Did tattooing capitulate? Sad to hear...

[–]EnigmaMachinen 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it has to do with the hostile stance the SJW community has taken towards games- starting with saying how Gamers are dead and toxic and claiming that those who play games are these terrible people. In all honesty- if they didn't take this stance I think they would have, perhaps, brought those issues up with more grace. But they've created a very us VS them situation.

[–]NoBullet 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

We know how to grind.

[–]Ferlion123 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because gamers see what's happening and what it will mean for the future. We look at every little thing, analyze it, see if it's useful. We pick apart narratives because game developers tell entire stories through literally putting a few pictures on a wall every few levels.

Because they can't try and sneak a narrative past us. They can't try and out puzzle us.

Any trick they have we've been punching through for years.

We are bigger. Badder. Better.

God damned genetic scientists when they get stumped release video games for us to figure shit out

Don't fuck with us. We will not only win, but we'll look good doing it.

Our highstat is mother fucking style, bitches.

[–]Tenmar 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aside from the fact that our hobby has no actual legal impact on society?

I mean think of the actual pursuit of legal equality for women. What places would you want to be heard? In government of course for they pass the laws, by legal firms for they often write laws, contest laws, or sue companies for outdated practices. The workplace, due to how they treat employees.

Now, what did they do with video games? They didn't go after the companies, they went after the hobbyists, the consumers. The common man who has no legal power, representation, or much if any social activity when engaged in the hobby of playing a video game. Add to that the jump from reality based problems to fiction and you have an argument for legal equality that doesn't add up.

The only reason that you have groups going after video games is to try and stay relevant and gain money from those who believe in said agenda as if it was religion.

[–]NotEnoughCooks 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not going to mug that 6'5", ripped, 300 pound black dude when I can go mug that tiny white guy breaking a sweat lifting his Galaxy Note.

[–]Inuma 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd laugh hard if the nerd was carrying more of a an attitude and a chip on his shoulder for having to constantly fight than the ripped black guy...

[–]sircool099 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

you need to look at what both groups do.

One attempts to safe guard everyone from mean words by using mean words. One attempts to hide from naughty things and to shield others from seeing naughty things as well. One attempts to cover up skin to not dirty people's minds and give meaning. One attempts to look for some type of inner meaning to any and all things but fear it when it's given in a way where they aren't spoon fed.

The other, gamers, constantly face challenges. Are constantly stepped on both on and off screen. On screen, they get up and fight on, off they roll their eyes and move along. They think things logically, study, analyze and solve an issue in a way for all to benefit. They see a puzzle, a problem, and think "it'd be fun to fix this" instead of "it's my moral obligation to fix this" They also enjoy being crass, dirty, and doing naughty things. They like the dirt, the grim, the failing as its a way to clean themselves off and get back to it to make reaching the goal all the sweeter. You kill, gain exp, die, kill again.

[–]necr0_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because we've heard all these arguments before, the people that came before us heard all these arguments before, the people making games now have heard all these arguments before. It didn't stick 20 years ago and it won't stick now.

[–]LunarArchivist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I posted this elsewhere today, but it's relevant to the OP's question.

My guess? Probably because, unlike comics (where the moral panic only shifted into high gear after they'd been around for about 15 or 20 years, culminating in the formation of the Comics Code Authority) and movies (where it took 35 to 40 years for the Hays Code to come into existence), interactive electronic entertainment media has been under attack since before most people on Reddit were even born or the ESRB or PEGI existed. Pinball arcades were targets in the 1940s and the first video game moral panic took placed in 1976...a scant four years after Pong came out.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/the-mayor-who-took-a-sledgehammer-to-nycs-pinball-machines/267309/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140508/08394927165/glorious-history-video-game-panics.shtml

This idiocy isn't new. If you decided to take up gaming as a hobby, you willingly stepped into the crosshairs of the mainstream media the moment you picked up your first controller or grabbed your first joystick. It was almost a rite of passage, if not part of a gamer's job description, that you'd be attacked for being a degenerate by some stuffy, puritanical, pearl-clutching loons at some point.

Another good reason is that gamers are tenacious, used to spending hours in from a screen trashtalking others, banding together to fight common enemies, and used to performing repetitive tasks for days, weeks, months, or years. It's hard to outlast people like that. :P

[–]bobbybonnadouchey 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jack Thompson.

We're not dumb enough to fall for their shit, even if they sugarcoat it with "feminism".

[–]niczar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah JT was the innoculation, the vaccine against the SJW pox.

[–]BoiseNTheHood 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'd argue that they haven't changed anything about the movie or music industries either. Those industries still glorify sex and/or violence just as much as they did ten, twenty, thirty years ago, despite being subjected to just as many moral panics.

[–]GPuzzle1[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's an entirely different beast, one which is so ingrained in our society everyone consumes that. But gaming? That's not a big demographic. So why this one, out of all others, took so long to get such a weak foothold?

[–]GreatRedYeti 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

But gaming? That's not a big demographic.

Care to take a look at the sales numbers of any of the Call of Duty, Battlefield, Final Fantasy, Witcher, Dragon Age, Legend of Zelda, or any number of the other endless franchises? How is that in any way a small demographic?

[–]GPuzzle1[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's a relatively big demographic... If not for the fact that compared to things like television, comics, science fiction and movies, we're still small as fuck.

Big, but not big enough.

[–]GreatRedYeti 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's like saying people who listen to music are a small demographic. By the way, did you miss the part about gaming being a bigger industry than both movie and music combined?

[–]GPuzzle1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Music is a massive demographic as well.

Gaming as in, including the consoles and PCs that are made? No one is considering the fact that Movie is not only, well, movies. No one is considering the fact that Music is not only music. There's a boatload of logistical work that just blows everything out of the water. The finals of an LoL championship can fill a basketball stadium - a normal game does the same thing.

We're bigger than we've ever been.

But there's still a long way to go.

[–]Armail 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, aside from the fact that we outspend all of those .

[–]Rygar_the_Beast 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They've had some results. They arent big but they had some.

[–]BoxworthNCSU 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gamers can smell bullshit a mile away after repeated attempts to ass fuck us with...

EA's launch days Kickstarter failures All licensed movie games other than Goldeneye Sequels from other studios Batman games prior to Arkham Asylum Madden every year Microsoft Points Games for Windows Live Ubisoft DRM Valve's paid mods Actors poorly depicting gaming Jack Thompson Australian price gouging

And that's just off the top of my head. Gamers already dodge flying shit 364 days a year, so SJW dumbasses picked the wrong niche.

[–]dickspin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's simple really, gaming is a pure meritocracy

Identity politics have no sway here

[–]razorbeamzRuns /r/loltaku 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

They aren't in the anime community either.

[–]GPuzzle1[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's fucking Japan, Japan does what it want.

Didn't they complain about Kill la Kill a while ago?

[–]razorbeamzRuns /r/loltaku 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, a lot of anime fans complained about Kill la Kill too, so it probably got buried in that.

But anime fans are impossible to please.

[–]KMFCM 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

the metal community shut them down almost immediately . . .although, these people were already "inside".

any subculture with a left leaning majority is going to have to deal with this crap sooner or later.

Someone said SJWs weren't in the anime community. . . .they hit the anime community FIRST. That's why the last otakon I went to, the hentai panel was replaced with a yaoi panel. Most fanservice hate is "objectification", instead of "it does nothing for the story and is pointless".

The comic book community?? oh lord. . . . They pretty much run comic books.

[–]GPuzzle1[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point. Then again, the metal guys and girls just want to be METAL AS FUCK.

[–]Soilus 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can someone please elaborate on the comic book thing? I'm a fan of comics, this is sad to hear.

[–]KMFCM 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

well, have you noticed that every other article about comics that doesn't have to do with a movie, or a gimmick death is about some variant cover pissing off the feminists?

and all that "girlfriends in refrigerators" talk. I was hearing that shit in 2006, before any of this SJW bullshit was going on.

I'm not one of these people angry they changed so and so's gender or so and so's race either (for one thing, I don't really read the stuff anymore).

[–]Soilus 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've heard some of this of course. Thor, Spiderman, etc. Are there more obvious examples? For some reason making an overt SJW change like the race or gender of a main protagonist seems rather inoffensive - it's a trial run at something new, probably temporary, and could be interesting if the writing is good. The more worrying stuff is what goes unnoticed - ie, every female character is portrayed in positive light, villains are universally white males, dialogues that are OBVIOUSLY IRL politics related, etc.

One example I can think of - Demon Knights was great, and the trans character was interesting, but the handling of that character's trans nature was really heavy handed, and once it was revealed that he/she was trans, that character basically became like a Jesus who could do no wrong. The assumption that special categories of people are 100% virtuous while all evil in the world resides with white-male-hetero-cis is, in my opinion, the shittiest and most dishonest bullshit SJWs pull.

So - again, I'm a fan of comics, I've noticed this a little but I missed the big SJW pressure campaign on comics (not that I don't believe that it happened at some point). Can someone please point me to some posts proving that this happened or at least give me a history of how it happened, why the comics industry rolled over, and how it can be prevented in other sub-cultures that SJWs attack that might have less of a fighting spirit than gaming? After all, we have all seen many other sub-cultures annihilated by SJW demands, so it's interested see how it happens and try to figure out how to resist.

[–]KMFCM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The more worrying stuff is what goes unnoticed - ie, every female character is portrayed in positive light, villains are universally white males, dialogues that are OBVIOUSLY IRL politics related, etc.

Well, like I say, I don't actually read comics very much anymore, so I didn't notice this. I'm not surprised by it though because there are a lot of SJWs in the industry now.

I was mainly talking about variant covers being scrapped for being too sexy (the Spiderwoman cover) or violent (the Batman cover). Last time I poked my head in r/comicbooks, it seemed like every other thread was about "this characters outfit = objectification" or some stupid crap like that.

[–]Steam-Crow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not passive I'd say, but regarding gamers as an easy mark. Jack T. came in with all the bombastic confidence of someone that thought gamers were rowdy, nerdy kids, that he would easily just roll over. Did he believe the shit he said?..I don't think so, more like he saw virgin territory in which to make his mark. Naturally he got crushed... his perception of gamers was wrong.

Now here comes Anita & McIntosh. The virgin territory is still untouched, but unlike Jack, Anita has learned the lesson...she comes as a friend, "I'm one of you". Of course she was let in, petted, consoled... for the exact reasons some of her arguments are wrong, because women were, and always have been welcomed in gaming.

Being the aggrieved woman was a smart play, (remember the stirring up 4chan at the start?...giving more than enough ammunition to play that role and never move from it.) Remember in the early days also, McIntosh was almost completely silent, (unlike today)...this had to look like men attacking a woman.

Foothold gained, take a little, than a little more, than a little more. It didn't hurt that game journalism was looking for ways to become relevant again as more and more, people turned to amateurs (Youtube, Twitch) Jumped all over GG of course, starry-eyed, suddenly relevant junior Woodward and Bernsteins.

But the view of gamers is just as wrong now as it was for Jack, and the arguments are just as wrong now too. They're practically the exact same argument, swap violence for misogyny.

It might've taken longer to pull back the curtain, but the end is inevitable. Because they are running a con-job, and gamers aren't an easy mark. Probably why McIntosh is out there so much these days, the cat is out of the bag, no need to play possum anymore. Gotta swindle those last few dollars from the few who are still oblivious.

[–]Helium_PugilistProbably sarcastic, at least snarky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, their main weapon is public shaming and wild accusations, (sexist! racist! misoginy! transmisogynistic!), Gamers have always been accused of a lot of weird shit, going as far back as Jack Thompson blaming School shootings on violent vidya, and probably further, but i have no google search suggestions for you to verify that (Past Thompson, that's very well documented).

So in short, we don't really care about being shamed, we're used to it, we just look past the shaming, look at their actual arguments, and question them. And the thing is, They can't defend their own arguments because they're so used to them always working.

[–]richmomz 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

We're not passive at all - they just assumed that since we're not passionate about the same things they are that we must be a soft target. So naturally they're shocked that a group of people they thought were a bunch of pushovers are aggressively pushing them back and rejecting their stupidity wholesale.

Worse, getting their asses handed to them by a bunch of "gaming nerds" obliterates their aura of authority and sows the seeds of dissent in groups that have already bowed to their stupidity (see: Sad Puppies / Sci Fi Hugo Awards drama).

[–]LeMoineFou 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sad Puppies predates GG by several years. They were pushing back first.

[–]richmomz 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's true, but it didn't get much traction until this year.

[–]TuesdayRB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's gotten bigger every year since it started.

[–]matthew_lane 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're regarded as some of the most passive target audiences in the market. And yet, we're the one which SJWs failed to break into with major results.

But they did break into you..... That's what Gamergate was about: Opposing those very SJW's who broke in to you.

[–]Lowbacca1977 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think what's going on with the Steam monster game sale right now is a great example of why. In 48 hours, there was a coordinated effort involving thousands of people, including dozens of people crowdsourcing scripting and planning strategy in what has been a terrifying amount of time when you really think about it. For freaking badges

[–]BobMugabe35 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Weaponized autism.

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    [–]TuesdayRB 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Here's the thing you have to realize about video game players. They are relentless. They're methodical. They're systematic, and they like to win. If they have a problem, they're going to keep at it and keep at it until they win."

    --Milo Yiannopoulos

    [–]maelfyn -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Jews don't completely run the video game industry. Japan had a stranglehold on the industry for a long time, so that really threw a wrench in SJW operations, too. The last thing Commies want is the Japanese influencing an entire generation of males with their values which are the complete opposite of the Jewish globalist Commie values.

    [–]GPuzzle1[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Why the fuck would the Jews want Commie values? AFAIK they were genocided by both Nazis and Commies.

    [–]maelfyn 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You should study up on the history of Communism. The Communist overthrow of Russia was 90+% Jewish.

    [–]GPuzzle1[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yeah, I've studied it. A lot of the Commies weren't Jews, they were Atheists. The Jews supported it a bit because they were fairly falling into the side of opression, but there was also an awful amount of Jews wanting to leave Russia afterwards.

    [–]maelfyn -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It was almost entirely a Jewish-run operation led by Jews trained in NYC in service of the Rothschild banking operation. It was revenge for Russia helping Lincoln in the Civil War (Rothschild banking had conquered the British by this point).

    [–]GPuzzle1[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This feels like a Thomas Pynchon novel for some reason.

    [–]WheelingThroughLife -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But they did. Look at the support that Anita gets, look at sites like Kotaku. Maybe it's not a complete strong hold on it, but they to have a small grip.