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FDA Bans Trans Fats (bloom.bg)

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[–]Slimerbacca 7ポイント8ポイント  (130子コメント)

Enter people complaining about the "nanny state" rather than focusing on the good of this

[–]MothafuckaJones73 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd rather complain about the misleading title.

[–]Imapopulistnow 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think one can reconcile both. When something is determined to have negative societal consequences with little if any corresponding benefits, then, yes ban it. I would personally go as far as banning tobacco products.

However, when society determines that it must micromanage the actions of citizens, we are looking at a nanny state. i suppose a distinction in my mind is school lunches. Trans fat bad? Remove it. Meticulous guidelines on what can be served at each school meal? Punishments of parents who do not pack lunches in accordance with such guidelines? Nanny State

Perhaps it is just where one places their values...

[–]Velshtein 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then you should have no problem with the government banning alcohol.

[–]trepper88 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like the "good" of the food pyramid the government came out with that was just a terrible diet plan.

[–]Slimerbacca [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I mean, i guess if you need a food pyramid to tell you how to eat, then that is the least of your dietary worries

[–]mindfucks 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody wants to serve their kids shit that scars their arteries.

[–]poonhounds 3ポイント4ポイント  (18子コメント)

The only good of this is for people who are in favor of the "nanny state."

[–]Slimerbacca 2ポイント3ポイント  (17子コメント)

Yeah!!! That or if you dont want lots of taxpayer dollars wasted on health costs for dumb people

[–]poonhounds 4ポイント5ポイント  (14子コメント)

we shouldn't be wasting taxpayers money on dumb people either.

[–]StalinWasAJerk 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

Just let people die in the streets from preventable illness! Libertarian utopia awaits!

[–]scoopdawg [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Trans fats was popularized by the government when they went on their "fat is evil" campaign. It's been the government that has been killing people through their bogus nutritional recommendations.

[–]poonhounds -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

death in the streets by unregulated trans-fat

the horror...the horror...

[–]StalinWasAJerk 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

People not having as many heart attacks because an artificial poison is no longer in their food.

The horror.

[–]DasWeasel -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

artificial poison

Yeah, I much prefer my natural poison over that filth.

[–]scoopdawg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The government popularized artificial trans fats.

[–]ambulancemanstan -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You should check out the healthcare system from the back of an ambulance. See all the "emergencies" that HAVE to be treated. See people use the system as their primary care physician. See the unpaid medical bills rack up to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. There is a real strain on the tax payers for you.

[–]sbeloud 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Only life threatening issues have to be performed.

[–]ambulancemanstan [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's true in a vacuum world where there is no liability. People get full blood work ups and ekg's to avoid any possible future liability. Also there is a risk of unrelated illnesses that can cause a legal nightmare. So in the real world it doesn't play out that way.

[–]sbeloud [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Actually I was wrong. EMTALA says that "The statute imposes no requirements on ambulance services per se. The responsibilities of the ambulance service and its employees are solely a matter of State-created law. See item 19 below, however, for special information relating to hospital-owned ambulances."

So the government(edit:federal) is not forcing anything and the issue you speaking of is totally a decision of the business.

You are obviously right about what you said but this is far from a libertarian issue.

[–]Cyhawk [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People use the emergency system as their primary health care simply because they can't afford normal health care. For a long time I couldn't either. This is a problem with the system (insurance) than anything else.

[–]Slimerbacca 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

well hooray! this helps!

[–]scoopdawg [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Then let's ban alcohol and cigarettes while we are at it. Combined they kill a shit ton of people and incur a ton of medical costs.

[–]mjmandi72 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (77子コメント)

People should be free to eat what they want.

[–]5iMbA 20ポイント21ポイント  (32子コメント)

Regulations against artificial trans fats is a health issue. It's not about eating what you want, it's the fact that the process which creates artificial trans fats also creates a harmful by product which the body can't metabolize. You're free to drink poison, but at least you know it's poison. The FDA is removing the "poison" before it hits the shelves and is labeled as not being "poison". This isn't a nanny state issue; it's a public health issue.

[–]scoopdawg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's an issue created by the government when they went on their fat us evil stance. The entire nutritional recommendation of the US is based off of special interest not science. http://m.mic.com/articles/3051/how-the-government-has-caused-america-s-obesity-problem

[–]sdfkhashhhahasdd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is about production, not what you eat. If you find a pile of artificial trans fats somewhere you can go right ahead and eat it.

[–]I4dcQsEpLzTHvD1qhlDE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are free to eat it. Companies are just no longer free to sell it to us under the guise of food. Because it is not food, it can not be metabolized, yet is absorbed into the blood stream.

[–]Slimerbacca 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

You can eat what you want!

[–]straydog1980 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

I want to eat a jet plane

[–]mjmandi72 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not anything with transfat

[–]Slimerbacca 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can still make it and eat it!

[–]redofroses -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Allowing people to eat whatever they want has lead to 70% of you being fat fucks. Some of the processed shit you eat will now be marginally healthier for you? Oh boo hoo.

[–]scoopdawg [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's actually the government shitty recommendations that have been making people fat. http://m.mic.com/articles/3051/how-the-government-has-caused-america-s-obesity-problem

[–]AbstractLogic -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

So what the fuck do you care if you don't eat it? I didn't realize it's your job to change my lifestyle. I thought your rights end where mine begin. You protect a womans right to abort her baby (which I support) because that baby is part of her body and you go to your rally's and chant their body their choice!.

But ooooohhhhh someone doesn't want you to touch what goes into their bodies and all of a sudden you no longer believe in their body their choice!.

You just as good as the republicans at not practicing what you preach. So preach on brother preach on. Hows the world look from atop your soap box?

[–]redofroses [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Name one product you eat that will be taken away from you because of this ban.

[–]losningen -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great, go and eat whatever you want. There is no nanny stopping you. If you want to package that and sell it to others to eat as a business, then there are rules.

[–]waxxor -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just because you say something that doesn't make it true. People should eat healthy since it's in both the individual's and in society's best interest.

[–]mjmandi72 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's about individual choice

[–]JoleneAL 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can, and before you start whining like you need a diaper change, the government already regulates many products out there.

[–]mjmandi72 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

But I don't like thay either

[–]sdfkhashhhahasdd -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Buy a box of tissues and spare us your tears.

[–]redfoxst38 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

I am going to have to be the guy. This is just ridiculous. We are 18 trillion in debt but lets worry about trans fat. Seems legit. Let us focus on social issues, trans fat, universal healthcare and the war on drugs. That little debt problem will just go away I am sure. Inflation smation. Nothing will ever happen to us. We are Murica! We are too big to fail.

[–]StalinWasAJerk 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

The only thing ridiculous is how little you understand about your own government.

[–]redfoxst38 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

I understand a great deal. I understand that we are worried about the trees and not worrying about the whole forest.

[–]StalinWasAJerk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, the FDA really should be focused on trying to lower the national debt instead of all this food and drug stuff!

[–]redfoxst38 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I am done here. That is not what I meant at all. I am saying that Government programs our out of hand. We need to cut spending and worry more about our deficit spending.

Also we are all here worried about trans fat and most people don't give a flying flip about our national economy as a whole. We just worry about individual issues thinking we are going to have national prosperity forever.

Also, the more I think about it every government funded agency has a responsibility to keep their spending in line.

[–]Slimerbacca 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

My guess is the FDA doesnt worry too much about the debt

[–]redfoxst38 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Government agencies don't worry about debt. Why would they? They just want more jobs and more money for their programs. Why worry about the fact that our public debt is more than our GDP? I also want to say that both parties are to blame. I am no Tea Party member. I am just a guy who thinks as a nation we should focus on the one issue that truly matters most.

[–]Slimerbacca [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well it isnt the FDA's job to worry about debt