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Edu./Occu.Banning women from fraternities: Yes! (self.MensRights)

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More ridiculous damseling bullshit from silly, immature little girls. Just ban them. Don't allow any women on the premises unless they are not at all affiliated with your university. It just re-enforces the rule: never shit where you eat. You're there to study anyway.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/06/10/greek-students-missouri-outraged-proposals-ban-women-visiting-fraternities-weekend#.VX6SBJDwCI1.facebook

"By restricting women from certain locations under the guise of 'safety,' this policy lends itself to the notion that women cannot make choices for themselves about their own safety," the letter says... "Additionally, this policy might inadvertently give men within fraternity houses the right or feeling of entitlement to treat women who do not abide by this rule as the men wish," the letter adds. "This could lead to an increase in dehumanizing or making women counterparts inferior to the fraternity men. We do understand that this policy was suggested as a means to protect women from an unsafe environment. However, if women would be unsafe during the hours of 10 p.m. through 3 a.m. on Thursday, Friday and Saturday night, we implore fraternities to remove the members who are currently contributing to an unsafe environment and to recruit members who will not make an environment unsafe in the future."

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[–]andejoh 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it's an excellent idea because I don't see where women have a right to access fraternity houses. It would probably be better if the ban came from the frats, national chapters, than the university.

[–]BeAnAdult[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that's where this ban is originating.

Better if the brothers just voted to keep the university women out. With friends like those, who needs enemies?

[–]passiveegalatarian 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like this idea personally. I went to an engineering school that was mostly guys but we had lots of girls from other schools come by our frat parties to get laid. It would have royally sucked there otherwise

[–]Outdoor-Joe 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

This happened at UVA too, the sorority sisters were told they couldn't go to Rush Week by the sorority parent organizations. The anger was hot, palpable, and completely directed at men, not the parent organizations that told them being forbidden was for their own good.

Delicious irony.

Hey, let's hope they get gender segregated education back in vogue to protect the wimminz. Like Piroko said, it'd destroy their power base.

[–]BeAnAdult[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This happened at UVA too, the sorority sisters were told they couldn't go to Rush Week by the sorority parent organizations. The anger was hot, palpable, and completely directed at men,

Even more ironical, since a great number of those sororities ban men from their own premises unless under very specific circumstances.

[–]BeAnAdult[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once they price themselves out of the market, the best solution is to outsource.

Ban any women who are affiliated with any school, especially their own, from the premises, if that school enacts policies that seeks to police men acting lawfully in their own homes.

[–]TRPACC 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

I see it as something more sinister - like it being turned around into an argument against men being on campus.

[–]Piroko 8ポイント9ポイント  (9子コメント)

like it being turned around into an argument against men being on campus

I don't see that as a problem.

The reintroduction of gender segregated colleges would very quickly destroy the entrenched feminist "studies" departments. Men's colleges would become utopias of science and technology, and women's colleges would become cesspits of navel gazing bullshit.

"Pray they're that stupid. Pray we're that lucky."

[–]PerniciousOne 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, and the schools which churn out those useless degrees will not be worth much more than the paper that they are printed on.

[–]MisterDamage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Besides, there's no reason we can't be civil, is there?" chunk "None sire"

Lovely :)

[–]transientliving 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

While true, the women would still be able to easily get jobs afterwards thanks to affirmative action style tax breaks, quotas, etc.

Before I started working for myself, I've worked in various computer science related fields and I can't begin to tell you the number of incompetent women who I've seen who were strictly hired because they had a vagina.

I've even had bosses tell me to my face that they hired her because the higher ups "wanted a woman on the every team," etc. Almost none of them were ever worth a damn at the actual work (a woman who can develop non-retarded code comes along once in a blue moon, but otherwise doesn't exist), but they still got and kept the job. The result is that you've got some broad who spends more time gossiping and flirting than doing her work, so not only does she not produce anything, she drags down the production of other members of the team.

So, while this sort of thing would be awesome, I doubt it would have a lot of impact on the industry.

[–]jacks0nX 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

So, are you angry at those women unfit to work in that environment or the people who hired them?

[–]transientliving 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Both, but I don't really blame either of them. The people I'm really angry at (and blame) are the feminist lawmakers who worked to create an environment that incentivizes both groups to behave the way they behave. As a business owner myself, I'd absolutely never hire women without being governmentally coerced or incentivized via tax breaks to do so.

[–]jacks0nX 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a business owner myself, I'd absolutely never hire women without being governmentally coerced or incentivized via tax breaks to do so.

At first I thought you wanted to say "..who are unfit to do their tasks". BUt you probably intended to write it the way you did, correct?

[–]transientliving 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I intended to write it the way I did. The issue is that even the women who are "fit to do their task" - as in, have the necessary skills and training - still tend to create drama and they lower the productivity of the team 90% of the time. As a business owner I don't feel like gambling on a new hire for that one in ten chance of her being worth a damn.

Let's also keep in mind that having women working for you is an HR disaster waiting to happen. With the current state of feminism, how many Ellen Paos are out there just waiting to file a frivolous, fraudulent sexual harassment lawsuit against you for a chance to cash in on some of that sweet, sweet government-mandated wealth redistribution?

This is why I hire almost no women. Unless I know you personally and am 100% positive of what kind of person you are, having a vagina means you don't work for me. What's truly ironic is that feminism is at least 70% to blame for my choice in this matter.

[–]Callipso 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The people that hired them and the environment that supports them personally.

Instead that woman could have either gotten GOOD at the job and earned it fairly, or instead she could have gone into another field where Pussy Pass (TM) would not have worked and been more useful contributing in an area where she might actually have skills.

That said, I don't blame any woman for taking advantage of every opportunity offered to them, it would be stupid to not do that. That said i respect the woman that turn that shit down far more then the ones who do take it, just saying I understand and don't blame them.

[–]BeAnAdult[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would be better if men went off to single sex universities. That's where I would go if I were young. I'll probably encourage my sons to do the same.

Never shit where you eat.

[–]IAMA_CANUCK_AMA 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I were in a fraternity I'd be 100% behind this. The reason? There'd be no chance of false rape accusations if they weren't allowed in.

[–]scanspeak 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Let them in but they must sign a waiver at the door. Beware of the boys. Enter at own risk.

[–]BeAnAdult[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, right. Rolls eyes.

[–]scanspeak 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Perhaps the same rule should apply to colleges due to the "1-in-4" statistic.

[–]Kingpink2 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The men should reply that it isnt about keeping women safe but the fraternity and its members.

[–]BeAnAdult[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

God forbid, that's not men acting like bumbling chivalrous retards. How can it be allowed? So unromantic. Off with their heads!

[–]xNOM 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"By restricting women from certain locations under the guise of 'safety,' this policy lends itself to the notion that women cannot make choices for themselves about their own safety,"

Is this some kind of joke? If this is true then why do women need rigged rape tribunals?

[–]Targren 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it's not fair to support the notion that women can't be held responsible for their own choices, except when THEY say they can't.

This is my favorite bit:

This could lead to an increase in dehumanizing or making women counterparts inferior

I thought that's been what feminists have been doing for (at least) the last 25 years.

[–]BetterBadIdeas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love it.

Sorry, you demanded that interactions between university students be subjunct to kangaroo courts, so we no longer interact with university women. Well take our chances with a real justice system thank you very much.