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DRAMAAnita is just outright saying that games should not have male protagonists now. (imgur.com)

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[–]fbt2lurker 303ポイント304ポイント  (45子コメント)

Some SJWs confuse justice and revenge. See, justice is pulling everyone up. Revenge is putting people down. “You had your share of male protagonists, now make women protagonists only” would be revenge, not justice.
Not that there's any injustice in the lack of representation, really. You could argue that it's a problem (maybe?), but it's not a problem of injustice. There's nothing unjust about devs writing what they know.

[–]fbt2lurker 143ポイント144ポイント  (10子コメント)

If anything, it's unjust as to how brutaly every female character is being deconstructed to find something wrong with her. It's harming the industry, not helping it.

[–]tris_majestis 154ポイント155ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's almost like they'd rather not bother creating female protagonists because it will only result in more criticism. It's easy to just make a generic male protagonist because nobody gives a shit about them. They just play.

[–]AXiAMWoLFE 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the Galbrush Principle in a nutshell isn't it?

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rosangela blackwell is a bit of a galbrush.

As good as that galbrush post is, it's incomplete, because rare as they are, there are female characters like this.

[–]Fenrir007 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Gal brush

Almost prophetic, ain't it?

[–]TacticusThrowaway 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Let's see; make a female protagonist and have people nitpick every little thing about her, or make a male protagonist and only have people complain that he's not a female protagonist.

Also, I think we need to make a distinction between "player character" and "protagonist". Characters can be the latter in a game without being the former. Pey'j and Double H in BGE are protagonists, while Jade is the PC. What SJWs say is that women only count at protagonists if they're PCs.

[–]jotchLikes cis turtles 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I was making video games right now I would make them in my image, or isomorphic spheroids who did not speak and had no gender or color.

[–]FrogManJoness 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes! I loved Marble Madness!

[–]jokersleuth 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Had they made a female lead, then the SJW/Feminazi responses would be, and not limited to:

"Why is she not a WOC/POC?"

"Why is she skinny and attractive?"

"The female lead is an example of unrealistic beauty standards."

etc. etc.

[–]RockinHawkin 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

makes racially diverse "nonskinny" female protagonist

why does the media always have to stereotype minorities

[–]Dashing_Snow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah couldn't be obviously all devs are just misogynystic it has nothing to do with the fact that one of the foremost critics is bemoaning that you can also be female instead of just female.

[–]unsafeideas 46ポイント47ポイント  (6子コメント)

The lack of representation is way lower then they are making it to be. It is highest in combat military games and in games build on historical societies. I am women and like when society on game or movie ressemble real one from some period. If that society featured sexism or gender roles, then it is fine for it to be represented in entertainemt.

See, I am stereotypical female in this way - if relationships are present, I prefer them realistic - including ugly side. Games rarely "celebrate" sexism or gender roles, they just occasionally show it.

Moreover, the more you scrutineze every female character, the less likely you are to get good relatable female characters. What you will get instead is idealized crap.

[–]Invalice 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

The lack of representation is way lower then they are making it to be

I'm pretty sure most people complaining about female representation are completely oblivious to the entire JRPG genre of games.

[–]ReLiC71 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Hidden Object games, which seem to be 90% mother/wife/strong independent woman protag

[–]GeltonZ 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

XD Actually back when they existed, Penny Arcade Report started insisting RPGs are the MOST sexist genre with the LEAST female characters. Seriously. This is because they can't read statistics. They had a list of games with "male only", "female only", and "both/custom" characters released in one year and noticed only ONE "female only" RPG thus jumped to the conclusion that RPGs are the MOST sexist genre because "there was only ONE with a female lead". Not realizing the statistics didn't mean female LEAD it meant female ONLY and that most RPGs either give you multiple characters or a gender choice. (As a side note, this would mean the ONE GAME must be Hyperdimension Neptunia)

Then Ben Kuchera referenced this in a later article about Cosmic Star Heroine, utterly oblivious to the fact that THAT game wouldn't count either.

Yeah, I love how ALL knowledge of videogames just flies out the window once the topic of "teh womens" gets brought up...

...as a further sidenote, other genres that frequently have female characters:

-Fighters

-Survival Horror

-Beat 'Em Ups

-Bullet Hell Shooters

-Puzzle Games (especially old Versus ones)

"Character Action Games" have a decent amount but not as common as those other genres. There are weirdly more first person shooters with women than third person. Platformers are probably the genre with the most weirdly low number of women in them.

Just based on personal observation anyway.

[–]darkkai3 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

'Bullet Hell Shooters'

Deathsmiles is the shit!

[–]salamagogo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I picked up deathsmiles for like 2 or 3 dollars at a gamestop (I usually try to avoid gamestop, but other stores often only carry newer/more popular games) a few months ago. I haven't gotten around to trying it yet, though. It looks like it has some very bizarre bosses/enemies. I love weird, quirky stuff in games so I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy it.

[–]Daralii [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

(As a side note, this would mean the ONE GAME must be Hyperdimension Neptunia)

Which they'd probably accuse of being sexist anyway because there's a lot of fanservice.

[–]Hamakua 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

But out of the very same mouth very few, if any female characters are seen as anything but "objectification of women".

It's complete fucking bullshit.

SJW's don't like attractive women being portrayed and they don't like overly unattractive women being portrayed, and if you were to perfectly balance a characterization of a woman on that razors edge of being perfectly not too attractive and perfectly not too un attractive, the criticism from the likes of AS will be that the character is too generic with no distinctiveness or personality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA0aKjY8K50

[–]TacticusThrowaway 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

SJWs often have trouble distinguishing between an attractive female character, a sexual* one, and an objectified one. In fact, I've seen more than a few actively ignore everything but the sexiness to say female characters are objectified.

*They prefer to use "sexualized", because it implies that the character wasn't sexy until some drooling neckbeard male misogynist developer made her so. It's technically correct, but a weasel word.

[–]Hamakua 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Before I learned how to sculpt* the criticism of asset creators/game designers was something of a black box to me. SJW/Feminists would throw out "Sexualization" "Objectification" and I would only argue against those merrits from the outside looking in, and they were arguing against from the outside looking in.

Since I've learned (and continue to learn) - I came to a realization, I don't think it is possible for someone to do their job of creating a character without loving the Human form- at least not a professional looking character. Also, when you create it yourself, there is zero titillation from it NONE - but there is a large amount of pride and love for the creation.

You cannot create realistic characters "with a hard on" - so to speak, it would never work and the process simply doesn't follow. After learning I realized the claims of sexism from developers were even more unfounded as every single one of your creations, be it from a writer's perspective, an animator's or a modeller's - are someone you love, even if you write them as a villain, or the hero, or a love interest for the hero/heroine.

What these SJW's/Feminists are essentially claiming is that the creators of these worlds and characters don't love the worlds/characters.

That's simply impossible.

*yeah, I know, the feet, I had them done but forgot to bring them in before the screenshot, it's just a from my personal exercises and isn't supposed to be a finished model.

[–]limeflavoured 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

You cannot create realistic characters "with a hard on" - so to speak, it would never work and the process simply doesn't follow

Exactly. It might sound strange, but I try not to write (certainly not about anyyhing sex related) while horny, because what I write then tends to be crap wish fulfillment when I read it back and I need to rewrite it anyway. To a lesser extent this also applies to writning about food while hungry lol

[–]oldirtybaron 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

George "Fuck All My Fans" Martin can probably attest to this.

You can always tell when that guy is on a diet.

[–]EAT_DA_POOPOO 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've brought up this point before - people with any sort of art background would never believe that showing the naked female form is somehow muhsoggyknees or oppreshun! To build on what you're saying, if you've sculpted before, you can often find yourself appreciating a particular muscle as being beautiful (male or female). They're just ugly people inside and out and as is the common SJW theme, want to pull everyone and everything down to their level.

[–]Smadeofsmadestavern 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah, so much of the work to 'increase diversity in gaming' is based on tearing down 'men's games': this game is sexist, that game doesn't have a female lead, and so on. If there's a huge untapped market (as they claim), that are just waiting for the kinds of games that they approve of, then surely there's no need to tear down the 'man games', since this new audience isn't buying them anyway.

I personally want to see writers put whatever they want into games, and I'll play a good game whether the main character is a man, a woman or a ferret with a wellington boot for a hat, but to argue that there's a huge untapped market, and then act like some games must go to make space for new ones is inconsistent. I am not denying the existence of this new market, but if it's there then companies do not have to 'make room', it's not a zero sum.

[–]martenbiter 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

SRW social revenge warriors :D

[–]darkkai3 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

Could be a game series: Social Warrior - Justice, with its sequel, Social Warrior - Revenge!

[–]hostile345Not with a bang, but a Pao 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Social Justice Warrior: Revengeance

[–]FrogManJoness 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

How about a game like Sim City, but instead of building a city you build a Sim Twitter account? You try and amass followers and get hashtags to trend.

[–]anon445 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

They'd just stay on regular twitter. It's their favorite game, and they get to play for free (and sometimes make money)

[–]FrogManJoness 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

But not everyone's good at it. Just like not everyone can manage a city. This would give all the wannabe Anitas their chance to be in the driver's seat. They could build their own Social Justice Thought-Leader from the ground up. What kind of earrings will she wear? What kind of makeup? What color of non-offensive plaid flannel shirt? You could battle virtual trolls without the fear of getting Twitter-PTSD the same way dudebros play Call of Duty without the risk of getting real-PTSD.

[–]anon445 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You could battle virtual trolls without the fear of getting Twitter-PTSD

I'm sold, when do you plan on releasing this? :D

[–]void_rocket 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who's that little white Knight piece of pathetic wet shit commenting about making up for lost female representation? I remember his avatar from the 1st day GamerGate started. Emily Gordon tweeted "I stand with Zoe because she's an awesome person and made a great game". Then under it I see he's tweet saying "yay! We have an indoorkid!". I haven't listened to an episode of indoorkids since.

[–]mambome 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think if you read the whole thing he was baiting?

[–]Bipolar_Dude 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can we coin 'social revenge warriors' now?

[–]fbt2lurker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who am I to stop you.

It does lack the irony of SJW though.

[–]Stockholm-Syndrom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No, not vengeance. Punishment.

[–]thekindlyman555 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

To an audience of what was historically, and still to this day is mostly men.

[–]jexton80 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what we should call then is social revenge warriors

[–]Gazareth 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This, in my mind, is why it's called Social Justice Warrior. Warriors don't bring others up, they don't bring balance, they destroy.

[–]salamagogo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Warriorrrsss....come out to shaaaame"!

[–]continuousQ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's also not even revenge when it's "men vs. women". People aren't responsible for what someone else has done, just because they have the same gender as them.

Nor do people share in the suffering of someone else, just because they have the same gender as them. You can't undo an injustice committed against someone by compensating someone who isn't them but happens to share an arbitrary trait.

[–]fbt2lurker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some people do actually see harmful actions towards the ones they see as opressors as justified. Which is an eye for an eye kinda thing. It's revenge. You've hurt me, I will hurt you.

You're arguing that it's not revenge based on the fact that it's not in any way justified. But that's irrelevant. The behaviour speaks for itself.

[–]smoledman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forget gaming. Modern feminism is exacting revenge on men through the universities, court system, hiring in corporations and the law. Men are thoroughly screwed in life. Gaming is just the cherry on top of the shit cake.

[–]randomcallsign 72ポイント73ポイント  (5子コメント)

the last tweet needs to be trolling. that shit cant be real, yo.

[–]Soygen 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good old Poe's law. I can't even tell any more.

[–]PanRagon 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was pretty obviously a joke, yes.

[–]klaus1993 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly what I thought.

[–]twitch1982 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would be fine with that if it was in any way shape or form even remotely relevant to the story, but making characters have obscure identites just because it's different is fucking stupid.

[–]Novasry 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Knowing who tweeted it, it's almost certainly trolling.

[–]AntonioOfVeniceKarma King of late April 2015 138ポイント139ポイント  (15子コメント)

"All we ask for is the ability to play as a female character."
Sigh... fine, can you stop calling devs sexist now?
"Actually, you should also take away people's ability to play as a male character."
Why?
"Something something punching up. Something something institutionalized sexism, power structures, marginalized groups."

[–]Connador 39ポイント40ポイント  (14子コメント)

Can I play as an attack helicopter yet?

[–]darkkai3 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

Desert/Jungle/Nuclear/Soviet Strike on the Megadrive and Playstation 1 =D

Also, Ace Combat: Assault Horizon has helicopter levels!

[–]Shikaku 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Let's not talk about those helicopter levels.

[–]VostokApollo 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's Genesis, you English wanker!

[–]LetsWorkTogether 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those games were so much fun.

[–]specterofthepast [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure you're just playing as a pilot, flying an attack helicopter in those games... :p

[–]cvillano 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

you could always play as an attack helicopter

[–]OPPRESSIVE_SHITLORD 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6orm0-RicwE

[–]Helicopterkin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope so.

[–]richmomz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a F-22 raptor-kin I find your preference for non-fixed lift surface aircraft to be offensive and triggering.

[–]Standard12345678 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, but someone's developing a dragon mmo

[–]Razboto 53ポイント54ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yet another example of how this has nothing to do with balancing and equality but more about revenge and punishment.

It isn't enough that women are represented in games, men should be under-represented, why? For no other reason than Anita is a bitter person. Because in her opinion this is less to do with equality and more about revenge, she's had her time being bullied and now she wants to be the bully.

[–]omgokay 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, she's right. We gotta make up for lost time! If 100% of games from here on out used only female main characters, how many years will it take developers to atone for their sins? 10 years? I think 10 years is a good number.

[–]evil-doer 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are female supremacists, if its not clear by now.

Diversity means the less male, the less white people, etc, the better. The optimum being zero.

[–]Consensus_Realities 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully white people (especially males) will wake up to this soon enough to do something about it

[–]Firecracker048 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

She's trying too hard right now. It's kind of sad

[–]simmen92 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think they're losing relevancy, and this is FF's equivilent of click baity articles to make a quick buck (or in this case, attention). I just searched "anita sarkeesian" on youtube in incognito mode (which from what I understand makes it not show personal preferance), and the top 3 results were Sargon, Amazing atheist and Thunderfoot.

Their latest video had around 163k views (and was really hard to find without searching for the exact name of it, just feminist frequency and I couldn't find it by page 4 and gave up). Compare 163k to 2 423k back 2 years ago with the tropes vs women videos and you see the outreach of the videos has decreased drastically.

Why? I think mainly 2 reasons.

  1. Time passes, and people lose interest over time. Especially when I assume that more of the fans are mainly feminists rather than mainly gamers, and therefore don't really care that much about gaming in the long run. FF might have made most of their money last year in the 4th Q of the year, and the most attention. But that money is mostly from companies who want to look good, and the attention is mostly because of the victim narrative rather than the actual work.

  2. The latest videos are about positive characters. And really, those who feed upon perpetual outrage don't really care about positive or good characters or improvement in the industry. They can't yell at people trying to make themselves feel better based on positive characters. You can see it for example with fallout 4. When the first trailer came out "Damn Bethesda making the protagonist male!", then yesterday at E3 when they revealed you could customize the character and pick a girl they weren't happy about this, but rather mad about a guy in a dress that was shown to show how much customization you can do in the game. Or in this case, complaining that you can also play as a male.

These people will never be happy, and frankly, I don't think they want to be.

[–]thekindlyman555 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's another reason why Anita maybe losing hits on her videos that has entirely to do with youtube's algorithm, the subscriber burn effect.

[–]simmen92 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Didn't know about that, thx for the video. That would probably have something to do with it.

[–]thekindlyman555 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah- this is why so many youtubers are reluctant to take breaks even if they can afford it or have major health issues (like TB) The longer you go without releasing videos, the more youtube will think that since people aren't watching your videos that they aren't interested in your content and will stop featuring it on your sub box. Even a week or two of inactivity on normally active channels can lead to subscriber burn (and the subscribers who are burned will likely never know that they've been burned unless they actively seek out the youtuber to check for new videos)

[–]sancredo 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Of course she is. The game is including kick-ass women to play as. Anita is running out of shit to complain about, and she makes a living out of complaining.

[–]cvillano 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

makes sense why Joshnita is going after violence in all video games now, they're hoping to tap into the "think of the children" market now that they've drained the feminist bank accounts and accomplished fuck all with the money

[–]Loop_Within_A_Loop 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I seriously hope we learned something from Jack Thompson.

[–]MyLittleFedora 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

there's a lot of dudes already in games

THIRD WAVE FEMINISM 101: We don't just want to make things better for women, we also want to actively make things worse for men.

[–]the_gamer_rises 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

i love how the last tweet highlights the issue people have when they make the mistake of pandering to sjw's. they can never be pleased. it will never be enough for them. its a lesson the gaming industry is in the grip of learning, harshly. "i want a pan sexual aromantic gender queer sub assassin". they cannot be appeased. it cant ever be enough.

[–]arty_uk 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you see that developers? Even when you spend time and resources creating a female lead they still criticise you.

You can not win by pandering to these people, they make money from saying things are bad/harmful/wrong/damaging. That's what they do and nothing will change that.

[–]Hannibal_Khan 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

I want a pan sexual aromantic gender queer sub assassin

my fukkn sides, bruh.. xD

[–]boommicfucker 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

[Shitty FMV intro] My name is Richard D. Steele. I'm sexually attracted to cookware on a purely animalistic level but that's none of your business really. What you want from me isn't my middle name but my skills and expertise, right? I'm the best sub assassin there is. Show me a sub and I'll show you how to eat it. Whilst wearing a tutu. [Cheesy MIDI menu music]

[–]Netscape9Founded /r/AskGamerGate 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

→Censors username in screenshot.

→Says real name in title.

[–]Cleverly_Clearly50,000 dislikes[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

I saw this on another sub and cross posted it here. So that's why it's edited like this. Sorry.

[–]DT777 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

The real question is why was the original image censored? It seems silly, considering how publicly visible Anita is.

[–]lewism109 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This issue is getting out of hand now, personally I couldn't care what gender the characters are videogames because games are about having fun on your own or with friends, and I think gaming is inclusive to everyone and needs to, to make gaming even more accepted in society. To get rid of these stupid stereotypes that the general public have on videogames. Another reason for the need of inclusiveness in games is the fact that games cost millions of dollars to make, so the more people that play videogames, the better. Decisions shouldn't be left to SJWs but the creators themselves, they should have the final decision on characterisation. SJWs are not fighting for justice but for revenge and it has to stop. That's why I am Egalitarian because I am not fighting for women's/men's rights, I am fighting for equality.

[–]Xzal 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I feel we have a ton of lost female representation to make up for".

Ism's are not a Zero-Sum game. They never should be.

If Ism's were a zero sum game, then the world would be in constant war-like states.

[–]anticensureadvocate 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

So character customization is now a bad thing. I'm getting mixed messages from the people who believe representation in games to be fundamental. Shouldn't more options be better?

[–]supergtt 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

duh, if you let the plebs choose, they might choose wrong. That's badthink. Very doubleplusungood.

[–]Yam0048 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you see, the powerful while cisman doesn't need representation. It has all the representation already, so we need to take that away and give it to... other people. People I personally care about, mostly.

:P

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

I just love the argument "There is enough of (X), therefore no more (X). That is as lazy and as stupid as it get's.

They are stupid. I mean the SJWs have a brain, but only one. And that they have to share.

[–]jii_jii 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely. It seems like a statement made out of wanting revenge rather than wanting to right some sort of imbalance.

"People held my people (not me personally) down for years! Now it's my turn to push others down!"

Seems like a really weird way to go about life.

[–]jii_jii 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

An apostrophe shows either a missing letter:

"It's going to be great." = "It is going to be great."

Or possession:

"That hat is Tom's."

If what you're typing is not a contraction of something ("As stupid as it get is" is clearly incorrect) and it's not some sort of possessive (get's what exactly? Is 'get' someone's name?) then you should drop the apostrophe because it doesn't need it.

[–]Cross_of_Coronado 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're right! "stupid as it get's" Is a baad mistake and quite cringeworthy . I'm german thought so maybe not all hope is loft as this is not my native language. Thank you for taking the time and correcting though. Many don't like it but I'm always very happy if someone takes the time!

Edit: Also I swear to god that I normally don't make that kind of mistake. Search my earlier postings I'm sure that this mistake is quite rare. But that one I did not see.

[–]jii_jii 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's okay, I thought I'd just point it out just in case!

I only learnt because people pointed it out to me at some stage, I hope other people can learn as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with making mistakes as long people learn from them!

[–]FrogManJoness 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A note about possession. It's become so common to use 's to denote possession people have forgotten that it's actually just a contraction. Around the 1600's, or thereabouts, it was correct to say, for example, John has dog or John his dog which was commonly shortened, in the usual way, to John's dog. So there really is no difference between a contraction and a possessive. They're all just contractions.

[–]ectocoolerhi-c 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That fucking white knight and his smash the binary shit needs to stfu and sit down...so annoying.

[–]Dank_Sparknugz 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

at least they're using Emily in marketing

That translates to:

AT LEAST THEY'RE PANDERING TO ME NOW!

How can you treat that as a victory if you actually cared? Of all the things I'd expect her to be upset about it's being pandered to in meaningless ways by marketing. But, no.

She doesn't actually want anything to change, she just wants people to acknowledge her. It pisses me off so fucking much.

[–]cvillano 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

it's probably why these big publishers think there's money to be made in pandering to SJWs, they're so incredibly susceptible to marketing - but what the publishers don't know yet is that they're not the type of people who buy Dishonored or Fallout 4.

[–]Dank_Sparknugz 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't buy anything, though.

[–]ExpendableOne 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feminism is just another word for equality, right? Because nothing says "equality" like "women-only".

[–]MrGhoulSlayeR 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sooner or later people are going to realize that you cannot make these people happy.

[–]kchoze 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

More and more, I am led to the inevitable conclusion that Anita and SJWs like her essentially are motivated by an intolerance, if not outright hatred, of men and masculinity. They just don't like them and so when they started being interested in a particular hobby where men are the majority, they tried to create a social movement to force the hobby to self-censor and stop appealing to men so as to eject men from it. That way, they get their "safe spaces" where everything is only made for them and they don't have to suffer the presence of markers of masculinity (that they even call "toxic", no they don't mean a "toxic" brand of masculinity, they mean that masculinity in itself is toxic). What did everyone think those "gamers are dead" and "gamers don't have to be your audience" were all about? It was about trying to get game companies to stop making games for the primarily male gamers who have been around for years if not decades, and instead turning their focus only on the SJW "neo-gamers".

So when Anita and her SJW gang started whining about how Gamergate was about male gamers trying to eject women from gaming, it was actually projection. It was them that were attempting to eject men from gaming so as to be more comfortable in it, when people fought back, they assumed that they must be mirror versions of themselves, and so that those that fought them were actually men trying to eject women from gaming, when in reality, they are a diverse group of gamers that refuse to see their community be forced to change to satisfy the egos of a few colonizers, and that refuse to be complacent when these colonizers try to eject them.

The SJW can make their own games if they want, gamers don't care. FPS gamers have tolerated MMORPG gamers, PC gamers tolerate console gamers, they can tolerate a bunch of lousy PSA games existing. But that is not enough for the SJW, they want more, they will not stop until the entire world is their "safe space" (maybe a bit hyperbolic, maybe not...).

[–]MAATOHAWarhorse Studios Dev 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aromatic blender beer pub assassin... ffs, some people are beyond repair.

[–]bluelandwail 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really cannot grasp how someone can be such a tool.

[–]necr0_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait wasn't Dishonored one of her picks for examples of games with violence against women because of what the villians do in the opening cutscene?

[–]jombeesuncle 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

And now they're looking for reparations. Open your wallets everyone, these poor oppressed rich white kids need your money to feel better about the bad things your (their) grandparents did to women.

[–]Zero132132 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

"If men can play too, I dun wanna play!" -FemFreq, 2015

[–]cvillano 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"we have a lot of lost female representation to make up for" = we will never be happy no matter how many female characters you add

[–]continuousQ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The "make up for" bit seems to be the core of a lot of the SJW-business. It's not enough for people to do things right, because then what will we have to complain about?

[–]Danonon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Breaking news feminist icon is hypocritical on the internet. In other breaking news some games are violent.

[–]thekontamination 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would just love to see Anita go to places where there really is misogyny like in the Middle East and see if she could even attempt to fix it. Because, she wouldn't be able to. Hell, pretty much all the SJWs wouldn't be able to. But it's a lot more important to do that then complain about the random shit and never be happy with anything happening in Video Games which is not real life. How about India? That is actually a rape culture. Not the United States. People like her disgust me. They bitch and moan about dumb shit like this and they don't even know how good they have it.

[–]smoledman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's a typical Marxist. She needs to "fix" the United States first.

[–]Awesomapotamus 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it's not about equality, it's about revenge.

[–]KMFCM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you knew that from the beginning though, right?

[–]Steam-Crow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's finally demonstrated perfectly clearly how false her inclusion argument is. This was the endgame all along.

[–]ys57 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Goddammit, I thought it was really cool that there were two different characters.

[–]RaceCrab 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Genderqueer aromantic sub assassin sounds like what you call a radfem who steals from her job at Jersey Mikes.

[–]rantelz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It must be nice to not have actual problems to worry about.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not interesting what Anita thinks when she's already clarified how she looks at the world.

note on context: she explained how she saw the world after becoming a feminist and it's only the last part, "you have to point it all out" that she stopped doing because she knows it's socially unacceptable. That's why's she's smiling, making a joke about how she 'used to be' towards a feminist audience

[–]SocialJusticeSlacker 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really want the archive for the tweet, bro. Even now I can't easily believe they're pretending to be retarded this hard.

[–]Consensus_Realities 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No shit she's an anti-male feminist

[–]AnguisViridis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any chance ignoring her, while promoting substantive analysis, would be the way forward?

[–]Steampunk_Moustache 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like we have a ton of lost female representation to make up for

Dat self-flagellation.

How pathetic.

[–]HRHill 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want a pansexual whatever thing

Ok. Then go make a game. Nothing is stopping you. If you want something, fucking create it. The technology and knowledge are available and attainable. Don't shit all over someone else's creation because it doesn't conform to your point of view.

[–]Dimnos 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anita has not played Dishonored. She gives no shits about the story or the characters of that world, otherwise the thought of spending time with both Emily AND Corvo together again would be amazing to her.

Seriously, anybody who was a fan of Dishonored's story would be thrilled that Corvo is also playable and since the gender of the protagonist is entirely story related, since gender doesn't effect gameplay, my only assumption is she has not played Dishonored and will not play Dishonored 2.

[–]MrQuiggles 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That can't be serious pls

[–]stevoli 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"we have a ton of lost female representation to make up for"

Is that why practically every movie between 2000 and 2005ish had a black guy for comedy relief in it? Making up for lost black representation?

[–]jokersleuth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

My question is - why should there be a female protagonist? Why? If the story calls for it, then there will be a female lead.

[–]smoledman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess she's never heard of The Longest Journey or Syberia.

[–]alkonium 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

pan sexual aromantic gender queer sub assassin

Under what circumstances is being a sub, a dom, or a switch relevant to one's work as an assassin?

[–]AcherosIs fake journalism 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

...Under what circumstances would being pan-sexual aromantic be relevant?

[–]alkonium 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

If the game has a romantic subplot?

[–]AcherosIs fake journalism 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

well the same could be said about sexual position than as well, aye?

[–]alkonium 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Come to think of it, there is a part in Dishonored where you shock a guy who's into that sort of thing.

[–]dudemarama 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

She is definitely the most sexist person I've ever seen. How can anyone even defend this kind of behavior? Unbelievable.

[–]AcherosIs fake journalism 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can anyone even defend this kind of behavior?

with the magic of

feminism

[–]Wonderkarp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This "Representation" Crap needs to end. Who The Fuck Cares!?

[–]shit_on_your_porch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that big giant circles?! He makes some of the best video game chip tunes I've ever heard. Recognize the photo!

Plus, ya know, makes music soundtracks for vidja games. Definitely check him out.

[–]TeekTheReddit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm getting so sick and tired of this "Dishonored has a female protagonist" bullshit.

No. The headline is not "Dishonored has a female protagonist." The headline should be "Emily Kaldwin Is A Badass Assassin In Dishonored 2."

The real sexist shitlords are the ones that see her as nothing more than a walking vagina to fulfill their gender quotas.

[–]Legosheep 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Smash the gender binary? What does choosing a female character do beyond adding tits? Why not relable the choices "tits" and "no tits"? Who would complain?

[–]descartessss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

give a finger, take an arm

[–]SocialJusticeSlacker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For fuck's sake, here's the archive to the actual post, rather than the image.

prefer this to cancer imgur links. ^

edit: mfw finding out their tweet is real

[–]BoiseNTheHood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once again, she's the Skip Bayless of gaming media. This is the video game equivalent of Skip tweeting out absurd, agenda-driven shit such as "Matthew Dellavedova is the Finals MVP" in order to elicit a reaction.

[–]RejZoR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to feminist version of "equality"... Everyone is equally equal, it's just that women are more equal than men...

[–]KevinGilbert [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hi mates, this is bait to draw in hate. She's looking for money.

[–]SwearWords [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Aromantic gender queer, you say?

http://m.imgur.com/oK19Iva

[–]ShadowCabal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can we have a archive link?

[–]PassionPitTime -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This title is sensationalized, she is still spouting more women and not outright saying remove all menses.

[–]Dilsnoofus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should have a few games with female-only protagonists. But then I want all of the foes to be females, too. When I'm blasting, hacking, and sawing my way through a game I want to see lots and lots of female blood and body parts. Along with graphic death animations and audible screams.

[–]Baziliy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hate to be the devil's advocate but you're putting words in her mouth.

Her exact words were, "sad that it didn't see the leap to female lead" how is that outright saying they should not have male protagonists now? I want you to find me the words that state that games should not have male leads.

This is like me saying, "I'm really bummed that new Star Wars movie didn't make the jump to pure 3D" --- and then having you say "Oh so you think movies shouldn't be made unless they're in 3D huh?" Ya the chick is bummed that there isn't an exclusive female protagonist but that's all there is to it. You're reading into things that aren't there.

Keep distorting facts and reality to suit your narrative. You're so different from all those crazy SJW's!

[–]Aurondarklord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get Anita's logic here. She wants them to go all in on a female character. She wants a major publisher with a heavily hyped AAA action game to say they believe it can succeed purely with a non-sexualized female protagonist who isn't a "legacy icon" like Lara Croft, no hedging their bets with a male option, so that the game's (hopeful) success can be used as a lesson to other devs that female leads are commercially viable.

As an observer of this fiasco, I admit, I'm curious, I'd like to see a company do that and see if it sinks or swims, it'd be an interesting experiment.

But I also realize why Bethesda isn't gonna do it, especially not with an existing franchise whose established fanbase likely have certain expectations about what the game is. Because they're not in the business of experimenting, they're in the business of business, and they don't want to take the risk. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see devs be willing to take more risks in a lot of ways, and I applaud the effort with Dishonored 2, that trailer looked awesome after all, but I completely understand their desire to have some degree of safety net.

As for my opinion of what Dishonored actually DID...Emily and The Outsider were the most interesting characters in that game, I definitely wanted to see more Emily (I hope my choices mattered to this game's backstory), but did I really want to PLAY as Emily? I'm not sure. If you want better written, more compelling female characters in gaming, at least in certain genres I'm not sure making them playable protagonists is actually a good way to go about it. Corvo was a silent blank slate, it was all the OTHER characters in Dishonored who were interesting. Emily deserves better than to be my featureless avatar, so unless they change the formula of the game and include more cutscenes and bioware style dialogue scenes, I fear that making Emily playable would be a waste of her character. I'm also not 100% sold on the story, it seems like a total repeat of the last game, and the Mark of the Outsider is supposed to be super rare, so the chances of both (probable) father and daughter getting it seem ridiculously low. IMO they should have done something like make Corvo the magic/super powers character, and Emily more tech and gadget based. Mind you, I have nothing against a playable female protagonist in Dishonored, I'm just not sure it should be Emily herself. Perhaps they'd have done better to say that Corvo got old and had to step down as Lord Protector, and Emily's new playable bodyguard was a lady.

[–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive link for this post: https://archive.is/kDh3s

I am Mnemosyne, goddess of memory. I remember so you don't have to.

PM me if you have any questions. #BotYourShield

[–]Goomich -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Guys, maybe if you'd like not give her more attention, she'd go away.

[–]Neo_TechniDon't demand what you refuse to give. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope. Trolltaku would still force her on us

[–]allenme -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, actually, the thing about occasionally being forced to play a certain gender for a character is that it changes things. It forces you to recognize them as people. PBS Game Show has a great bit about this. Shouldn't be every game, but I would love games with mandatory female/non-white main characters

[–]Millenia0 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It said that? I cant see it saying that.