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[–]winterd 9ポイント10ポイント  (23子コメント)

Will you be moving this subreddit as well (i.e. shutting down this one)?

[–]anUnkindnessThat YMS guy[S] 33ポイント34ポイント  (21子コメント)

Nope. I'm still here. My frequency of usage on either site will depend on how reddit behaves as time goes on. I wouldn't ever remove this subreddit, even if I eventually stopped using it myself.

[–]winterd 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for clarifying.

[–]Davidhaslhof 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

You hit the nail on the head with the banning of the alternative subreddits. The only defense I could see them saying is "they will do the same thing in time" which is funny to persecute for something that hasn't happened, just like in minority report.

[–]Gynophile -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ban evasion is against the rules. I don't understand why that is not being understood.

[–]Psychic_Monkey 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

This isn't ban evasion though. The new subs were made by new moderators and had a stricter rule set. Ban evasion would be if the mods of the original FPH made a new subreddit or new accounts with extremely similar names

[–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for following through with your beliefs. I agree that the removal of all the alternative subs popping up says it all.

[–]middiefrosh 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please no

[–]boompoe 15ポイント16ポイント  (14子コメント)

I cannot even load Voat.co right now, i'm assuming this is due to the massive influx of traffic they're getting from the /r/fatpeoplehate folks

[–]sanfranidiot 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

Denial of service attack, the second one in the past 24 hours, but I think this latest one is over, Voat is back up.

[–]Kumdogmillionaire 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

Wait, are you implying this is some conspiracy lmao?

[–]hebrewwarrior69 65ポイント66ポイント  (79子コメント)

I have to say I really disagree with this. I don't see how Reddit is moving towards censorship at all. I don't think that EVERYONE moving to Voat is scummy, especially not Adam, but it really just seems like a dumb move to go to a website that can't even keep itself running. With that being said, if Reddit does get to a point where it begins censoring stuff like /r/cringe and Voat would actually get itself up and running, I don't think it would be too awful to move there.

[–]Babill 34ポイント35ポイント  (60子コメント)

If reddit was consistent in its subreddit banning, cringe would have gone with fph. Those two subreddits have the exact same purpose, only with a different target.

[–]Phinaeus 32ポイント33ポイント  (46子コメント)

Reddit IS consistent with its subreddit banning. The problem is, they are not transparent about it.

FPH was harassing real people and were condoning it in modmail as shown in some leaked modmails. Don't brigade and don't harass people. It's not about censorship at all. That's why so many other controversial subreddits still exist. Also why the offshoots were all extinguished.

Adam is completely misguided.

Edit: Ok let me elaborate a lot more. Many people don't know reddit and fill in the gaps with nonsense.

Let's assume FPH was banned because it was making reddit look bad and the admins wanted to censor the subreddit just cause. Let's delve into reddit history.

/r/niggers was banned because of some picture with an AR15 advocating violence against protesters during the Trayvon Martin protests. As a result, the admins stepped in and banned the subreddit. It later came back in the form of /r/greatapes and /r/coontown, both of which have rules against violent calls to action (what an accomplishment!). They are both not banned because they follow the rules.

So what makes reddit look worse? A racist subreddit or a fathating subreddit? It's up to you because it doesn't matter. The admins don't ban subreddits just because they disagree with them. How do you explain the existence of /r/coontown if you truly believe that admins ban every subreddit they disagree with?

The simple fact of the matter is that the admins ban harassing behavior.

It is EXTREMELY likely that a FPH2 would have followed the path of /r/coontown if they had just cooled off and implemented stricter rules. No doubt they were warned by the admins for their behavior prior to this. But nope, they insisted on their imgur sidebar picture and linking to the google cache of the imgur about page filled with links to linkedins and twitters even after imgur redacted that page.

And one last thing, stop whining about SRS. They are not brigading any more. So stop complaining already.

[–]Babill 22ポイント23ポイント  (15子コメント)

Why did they ban /r/neofag? It seems really obvious that only one kind of hate is banned on reddit. Anti-sjws subreddits are held to a completely different standard than sjw subs. Look at KiA, they can't even link to other subs even with np links and they cannot link to public emails for emailing campaigns, while SRS freely links to other subs without even bothering with np links. How anyone can pretend that there isn't two speeds in the banning system is beyond me.

[–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple -4ポイント-3ポイント  (26子コメント)

To claim reddit is consistent with its subreddit bannings is to reveal that you're either deeply engaged in double standards or you're uninformed. If there was any consistency then the metareddit subreddits would have been the first to go. They exist specifically to mock and harass both groups and individuals.

Here is a documentary about reddit that includes SRS admins admitting that SRS exists to mock and bully other reddit users.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXGs_7Yted8&t=4m

Of all the claims made here, the most ludicrous one is that reddit is being consistent with bannings. There are hundreds of more egregious subreddits than FPH, yet FPH is the only genuinely active sub to have been banned. You weren't even able to link intrareddit on FPH yet all the metareddit subs allow intrareddit links. Look at SRS, they just changed their rules to disallow NP links. Now the brigading and harassment is even more direct.

How can you possibly claim they're consistent when there's hundreds of subs worse than FPH that are still around?Consistency in banning is a claim you simply cannot make with any amount of honest or understanding of the situation.

[–]Phinaeus -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

You weren't even able to link intrareddit on FPH yet all the metareddit subs allow intrareddit links. Look at SRS, they just changed their rules to disallow NP links. Now the brigading and harassment is even more direct.

Also FPH wasn't banned because it followed reddit links and voted. They were posting docs of imgur employees and harassing people posted on their subreddit. Your point about np linking is completely irrelevant.

[–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

They were posting docs of imgur employees and harassing people posted on their subreddit.

That is a lie. They posted a publicly available picture. Get your shit straight before pretending you know what you're talking about.

[–]Phinaeus -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're a dumbass. They clearly posted docs and you don't do that shit on reddit. DAE HURR DURR MUH FREESPEECH MUH CENSORSHIP

[–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

muh fabricated narrative

[–]45flight2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

nice meme

[–]Phinaeus -5ポイント-4ポイント  (19子コメント)

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_subreddits/cs2a7qu?context=3

They are consistent now. Stop complaining about SRS, they don't even do shit anymore.

https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_subreddits/cs23hqk?context=3

How can you possibly claim they're consistent when there's hundreds of subs worse than FPH that are still around?

What on earth are you talking about? Let me write my claim again in clear words. The admins are consistent in banning subreddits that brigade or harass people. They don't ban based on 'egregiousness'. They ban based on actions.

Example: /r/niggers was banned because because a post was calling for violent action. Their next iterations, namely /r/greatapes and /r/coontown, now toe the line and are not banned. Admins ban on subreddit behavior, not ideas. They don't censor subreddits.

[–]Babill 5ポイント6ポイント  (12子コメント)

Okay, what did /r/neofag do, pray tell?

[–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

They are consistent now.

So you post the words of the biased hypocrites that are lying to our faces and expect me to think that means something? Them saying they're being consistent doesn't magically make them consistent. The person who is being inconsistent claiming that they're being consistent means nothing.

What on earth are you talking about? Let me write my claim again in clear words. The admins are consistent in banning subreddits that brigade or harass people. They don't ban based on 'egregiousness'. They ban based on actions.

Admins ban on subreddit behavior, not ideas.

No, they are blatantly banning ideas. That was in part the point Adam was making. If they were banning behavior then how could they be banning brand new subs with new mods and strict rules. That isn't "ban evasion," it's a new sub that is subsequently banned for its ideas.

"If they were banning behavior instead of ideas, then they wouldn't be removing every single FPH alternative. There's evidence to support that FPH violated site rules, so it's fine that they removed it. However, removing all alternative subreddits that come after the fact shows that is has nothing to do with the rules. Those new subreddits were under different moderation and many of them were created with strict rules so that they would exist whilst abiding by reddit's global rules. They're lying to our faces and I can't in good conscience support that." -- YMS

He's right.

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    [–]Phinaeus 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    np linking is very standard subreddit policy. It's a token act. FPH was not banned for vote brigading. They were banned for harassment.

    Let's not forget that there are subs made for violence against women, subs exclusive for racism, pornography of all sorts, gore and death, when did lightly hurting an overweight person's feelings became such a huge moral issue?

    I'm not addressing that.

    Here's what actually happened.

    On the afternoon of Thursday, June 11th, Admin /u/powerlanguage made the following statement in a thread in /r/lounge:

    I wanted to share with you some clarity I’ve gotten from our community team around this decision that was made.

    Over the past 6 months or so, the level of contact emails and messages they’ve been answering with had begun to increase both in volume and urgency. They were often from scared and confused people who didn’t know why they were being targeted, and were in fear for their or their loved ones safety.It was an identifiable trend, and it was always leading back to the fat-shaming subreddits. Upon investigation, it was found that not only was the community engaging in harassing behavior but the mods were not only participating in it, but even at times encouraging it.The ban of these communities was in no way intended to censor communication. It was simply to put an end to behavior that was being fostered within the communities that were banned. We are a platform for human interaction, but we do not want to be a platform that allows real-life harassment of people to happen. We decided we simply could no longer turn a blind eye to the human beings whose lives were being affected by our users’ behavior.

    And here's an example of their behavior and general attitude towards harassment

    https://imgur.com/a/GCVC2

    [–]ShrimpFood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They allowed photo links, which means the posts they were making fun of was just 1 click away, at the top, with "Other discussions (1)"

    When someone who posted their picture in /r/sewing got linked in FPH, the original post got brigaded. The person's (supposed) mother told them to remove the post because her daughter was autistic and just showing off some work; they responded with this and sidebarred her image. This isn't the first time it's happened (sidebarring some poor person from /r/loseit or wherever), but it's the first

    SRS doesn't do that. SRD doesn't do that. FPH did that, and they got banned for harassment. This isn't rocket science. If FPH stayed in their own little bubble like /r/coontown and every other bigoted sub did, they would not be banned. The fact that pretty much anyone who disliked FPH and was vocal about it could pull up a thread where they got 5 "Found the fatty"le comments is a testament to their isolation.

    [–]NFirst 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/trashy is pretty much on par with those also.

    [–]hebrewwarrior69 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Not really. I always viewed /r/cringe as more of an empathetic thing, like how would you feel if you were in those person's shoes/this is the stupid stuff you did as a kid. It was never intended to be a hateful subreddit.

    [–]Babill 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    cringe can be really hateful at times.

    [–]chevybow 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I believe you're thinking of cringepics. I view cringe occasionally and don't see anything too bad. Meanwhile cringepics is essentially "Look at this person that bullied me in highschool- let's make fun of them!!"

    [–]hebrewwarrior69 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    True, but it's still different from the subreddits that were banned because it doesn't target anyone in particular. Plus, we can easily combat the hateful users by simply downvoting their comments.

    [–]and181377 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Cringe has very specific rules regarding what is allowed to stay, and if something is deleted by the creator even asking for a mirror is able to get you banned. They do show people in a bad light, but will remove the content if asked.

    [–]ogHorus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Intentions and reality aren't the same thing. There are a considerable number of people that leave comments on YouTube videos after seeing them on /r/cringe to bully and harass the uploader. There have been many times where the uploader just deletes the video because it gets too out of hand.

    I understand that the moderators can't control what people do outside their subreddit and that a lot of them are trolls, but this is essentially why FPH was deleted. Admins claimed that the harassment was spreading outside their community and that's exactly what's been happening for /r/cringe. Under Reddit admin claims, this subreddit would have to be deleted as well and that would be bs because it would be blatant censorship, but since it doesn't fall under SJW priorities, the admins don't care.

    [–]sanfranidiot 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I don't browse cringe much, but from what I hear, there's never any personal information to be gleaned from what's posted, unlike FPH, which usually involved actual images of people. Images of their face.

    [–]Babill 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm putting cringe and cringepics in the same basket, and the latter does have pics of people. Like it's its only purpose.

    [–]Lacku 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    are you saying that /r/cringepics censor faces? because if you do, you have no idea what you're talking about.

    /r/fph censored identifying information, names, numbers etc.

    [–]sanfranidiot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Didn't FPH post an image of an overweight imgur employee?

    Bad move, FPH.

    [–]porkypenguin -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, because /r/cringe doesn't go out of its way to harass people. They just laugh at people within the confines of the sub.

    [–]anUnkindnessThat YMS guy[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hijacking top comment for visibility.

    Didn't expect this post to cause this much of a shit storm here. Remember that I haven't left. I'm just preparing for the worst. Consider it an equivalency to my videos being cross-posted to my website. I still post everything on YouTube, but my website is there and ready to go in case I ever need it. I've always prepared for the worst, so there's no need to panic. I don't think voat is functional enough to use properly just yet anyway.

    [–]Trekky0623 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Not so much rampant censorship, but Reddit is definitely moving toward the safe-space mentality being adopted by American universities recently, who have also adopted speech codes and facilitated a hostile environment that hampers intellectual diversity. The Reddit admins have said, "It's not our site's goal to be a completely free-speech platform. We want to be a safe platform and we want to be a platform that also protects privacy at the same time."

    In other words, Reddit wants to move away from open and unhampered discussion to a place where people can interact without being confronted with uncomfortable ideas – a "safe space." This means the banning of certain subreddits that fulfill a purposefully vague definition of harassment who have leaked onto the front page, thus damaging the "safety" of the Reddit environment.

    Moreover, if the Reddit admins define the majority mentality on Reddit – liberal, mid-20s, college-aged Americans with certain beliefs regarding social justice – as "safe," then it follows that places that do not conform to that mentality are "unsafe" and require action to make them safer, requiring censorship to stop them. It seems that Adam disagrees with this mentality, and I for one agree with him.

    [–]ShrimpFood -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Is there not a certain safety found in a majority? I find reddit to often be hypocritical, where jokes about black people "are just jokes" but ooh boy if you bring up stereotypes about white people dancing...

    Pick your hill to fight on dude. FPH is not a good hill to die on. They took part in a lot of harassment, and they made reddit look like shit to any outsiders. This is as much about harassment as it is about reddit's PR. If you wouldn't recommend reddit to an acquaintance or someone you don't know that well for fear of them stumbling on a place like FPH, then reddit as a business is doing something wrong. Reddit as a business took action, and cleaned up something that, free speech or not, made the site look idiotic. The collective tantrum thrown the last few days only solidified this idea.

    Reddit is often in the red. "Existing" is probably prioritized slightly higher than "free speech at all costs," and looking like an angry cesspool to investors is dumb.

    [–]Trekky0623 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It isn't just the banning /r/fatpeoplehate, though. It's the comment massacres in /r/gaming during the beginning of the Gamergate thing. It's the banning of Gizmodo's article concerning /r/jailbait. It's the fact that the only default subreddit with political content currently is /r/TwoXChromosomes. It's the selective use of shadow banning with no clear idea as to what warrants one. It's allowing some subreddits to participate in political action by contacting congress and other contacts about SOPA and CISPA, while threatening to ban those who do the same thing with other ideologies, like contacting PR representatives regarding advertising as they tried to do over on /r/KotakuInAction. It's the overarching shift under the new management from a free speech platform to a safe-space platform that hampers intellectual diversity.

    [–]ShrimpFood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/gaming was trying to shut down a potential witch hunt. Regardless of what the truth or outcome of that story was, does an ex-boyfriend with a 9 page post entailing his ex's actions really seem that trustworthy? Regardless of the outcome, it's not /r/gaming's responsibility to host that conversation. It's not their responsibility to moderate that conversation as it surely would (and did) become a shitstorm quickly. The end result is they realized they're not getting paid for this shit, and told people to take it elsewhere.

    It's the fact that the only default subreddit with political content currently is /r/TwoXChromosomes.

    /r/videos is pretty much a puppet for whatever political slant people feel like upvoting. Same with /r/TiL (did you see the TIL post about a jew defending Nazis' right to free speech right after the ban of FPH? No coincidence there.) Yeah, they're not explicitly for espousing political views, but then again, neither is TwoX. I don't think you're completely wrong though. The admins defaulted it to try and make women feel more welcome and they ended up turning most of the comment sections into cesspools with a bunch of people saying "I don't have personal experience, but.." Becoming a default is a death sentence for any subreddit. It's why places like /r/askhistorians always opt out. There's my case example for good use of heavy moderation, btw.

    It's the selective use of shadow banning with no clear idea as to what warrants one.

    You're right and I agree: reddit needs transparency. For what it's worth, I've seen a couple admins say they intend on phasing out the archaic shadow ban sooner than later.

    It's allowing some subreddits to participate in political action by contacting congress and other contacts about SOPA and CISPA, while threatening to ban those who do the same thing with other ideologies, like contacting PR representatives regarding advertising as they tried to do over on /r/KotakuInAction.

    Lol yeah not even gonna try to defend them there, that was just stupid. At the very least, I would say the rules are fairly new, and they sure as hell won't be doing those mass-e-mails ever again; it might just be a matter of not retroactively enforcing rules again. It was still a hypocritical shitshow. IMO, neither should have happened.

    It's the overarching shift under the new management from a free speech platform to a safe-space platform that hampers intellectual diversity.

    Reddit has always claimed to be about free speech, but they're no pirate bay. Twist their wrist and they'll comply. This isn't new, though. Negative media attention has forced reddit's hand every time for years. Honestly, free speech at all costs just isn't financially feasible; it makes too many sponsors nervous. I'm quietly waiting for Voat to double down on the begging for donations when they realize a userbase that uses adblock and refuses to have any of their information compromised make really bad customers.

    that hampers intellectual diversity.

    Like I said man, pick your hill to die on. We're talking about /r/fatpeoplehate, /r/hamplanethatred, /r/transfags, /r/neofag, and /r/shitniggerssay. These are not the crown jewels of reddit.

    I'm not seeing a whole lot of intellectual diversity. I'd rather defend the right to free speech after a peaceful protester gets arrested than, say, when a Nazi gets arrested for holding a parade through a Jewish neighborhood. Wouldn't you? There's no shortage of either , so why wouldn't I wait for the former scenario to pop up? There's a helluva stronger case for free speech to be made after the first scenario, anyways.

    Pick better martyrs, then let's talk censorship.

    [–]sanfranidiot 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't see how Reddit is moving towards censorship at all

    Probably because of your browsing and commenting habits. If you ever wanted to debate certain subjects in certain subreddits, you'll quickly get a taste of Reddit censorship.

    [–]ShrimpFood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That has been a core principle of reddit since the inception of subreddits: isolated communities run by mods. If the people running the sub don't want to see something in their sub, they can remove it. That's not "reddit" "censorship" that's a moderator moderating based on the rules they created. Don't like it? Make your own subreddit. If people really don't like the moderators, they'll migrate.

    [–]Moynia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's being Ddosed constantly from angry SJWs, the site owner even said they are already on their second DDOS for the week.

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I don't see how Reddit is moving towards censorship at all

    Then you simply aren't informed or aren't paying attention to what's currently happening.

    [–]hebrewwarrior69 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I just don't think it's worth it defending content that harasses entire groups of people.

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Then apply that stance evenly. There are hundreds and hundreds of subreddits that should be banned by those standards. SRS for example. Yet it won't be banned. There is extreme hypocrisy at play and if you're paying attention it's exceedingly obvious that this all amounts to censorship. Yes, censorship is precisely what this is. They hide under the accusation of harassment but really the banning of FPH is a personal, biased and politically motivated banning.

    You can be of the opinion that you want to see reddit ban subs, but you can't pretend it isn't censorship.

    [–]porkypenguin -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    One point made in the modpost was the distinction of harassment versus brigading.

    SRS doesn't harass. SRS doesn't doxx people and try to ruin lives, call for violence, or really do anything in real life. SRS brigades.

    /r/fatpeoplehate doxxed imgur executives and publicly mocked them, /r/transfags harassed the parents of a 16-year-old trans kid, /r/niggers called for violence.. etc. SRS made fun of someone in reddit comments.

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

    SRS harasses the fuck out of people. They exist as a harassment/mocking subreddit. Here are THE MODS OF SRS stating as much:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXGs_7Yted8&t=4m

    SRS doesn't doxx people and try to ruin lives, call for violence, or really do anything in real life.

    This is completely untrue. The violentacrez saga alone PROVES what you're saying is untrue. And beyond that they have attacked many people in their real lives. I'm sorry but you're uninformed.

    [–]ShrimpFood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Adrien Chen found violentAcrez information. His information was also publically available, he went to meetups often and had his info available there.

    Being happy the mod of /r/jailbait got doxxed is scummy, but it's not doxxing.

    [–]porkypenguin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Anyone who doesn't agree with you is apparently uninformed.

    [–]hebrewwarrior69 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Maybe not all censorship is bad if that's the stance you're gonna take.

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's a different conversation. Just don't pretend it isn't censorship. Such a stance is asinine.

    [–]IamRider 5ポイント6ポイント  (18子コメント)

    I thought they banned those subs due to harassment? It had nothing to do with censorship as far as I'm aware...

    Edit: Somehow I missed the part where he says that, I'm stupid.

    [–]doyouwantapizzaroll 0ポイント1ポイント  (17子コメント)

    He addresses that exact point in the post... If they were only banning bad behavior, why would they ban every single fph alternative, even those created with strict rules to prevent harassment?

    [–]Kumdogmillionaire 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

    FPH alternates were banned for ban evasion. Kind of simple logic

    [–]KarmanautsMum 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wow, this sub is absolutely moronic about anything that's not movie discussion. It's pretty hilarious.

    [–]ShrimpFood 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, I'm kinda saddened to see how many people seem to think banning FPH was wrong. Like, seriously guys, pick your hill to die on. These guys aren't worth defending.

    The admins aren't going to retroactively enforce rules that didn't exist before because that's a shit sandwich in itself. What SRS did 2 years ago isn't parallel to what FPH did a month ago.

    [–]hackiavelli -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm going to give Adam the benefit of the doubt and assume he doesn't know he's just stepped in a giant pile of festering shit and tracked it back in the house.

    [–]ThePerformance 21ポイント22ポイント  (22子コメント)

    The alternative fph subreddits are being banned because they are being created for ban evasion and because of how the fph crowd has and continues to brigade other subreddits. They're community has and continues to harass people.

    I don't understand how this is biased censorship? If it is, why havn't the admins also banned coontown?

    Fph had nothing of value to say. I don't miss speech that's only intend and purpose is hate.

    What scandals are there between pao and her husband?

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

    So basically your comment is saying "I have no idea what's going on and am completely uninformed but here's my uninformed opinion anyway."

    [–]ThePerformance 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Can you inform me? What's actually going on?

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

    This topic is huge and takes hours to cover. That's part of the point here - a lot of people who havent taken the time to understand the situation are sitting back and spouting their uninformed opinions on it. I'll try to cover a little.

    I don't understand how this is biased censorship?

    It's biased censorship because if they're actually trying to remove subs that harass groups and individuals then the entire metareddit subreddit group needed to go first. For example, the sole function of /r/shitredditsays is to mock and harass communities and individuals. Here is a mod from /r/srs even stating as much in a documentary:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXGs_7Yted8&t=4m

    It is known that at least some of the reddit admins are sympathetic towards SRS (as shown in that video as well as the admins accidentally posting in SRS with their admin accounts). They won't ban the biggest harassment sub on the website because they are biased hypocrites.

    FPH was covered in the media recently and imgur banned FPH. FPH responded by taking a public picture of imgur's management from imgur's website and posting it on their sub. Admins are seemingly using the use of a public photo as a reason to ban the sub and all related subs that pop up.

    The admins, specifically Ellen Pao, are claiming that they aren't banning ideas, only behavior, yet, as adam pointed out, they are banning all of the new anti-fat-acceptance subs that pop up. How can they possibly be banning the behavior of subs and not the idea when the subs haven't even been around for 24 hours. They are blatantly banning ideas. They are, as Adam stated, lying to our faces.

    Fph had nothing of value to say. I don't miss speech that's only intend and purpose is hate.

    That's 100% irrelevant. It doesn't matter what value you find in subs. They should be allowed to exist. All opinions and views, no matter how ignorant or hateful, should be allowed to be expressed within their own communities. To suggest otherwise is to literally not understand the value of free speech itself.

    As for "harassment", FPH is less of a harassment sub than hundreds of other subs. They didn't even allow intrareddit links. Know who does allow intrareddit links? The metareddit subreddits that exist entirely to mock and harass. Yet they still stand.

    FPH was banned for personal, biased, politically-motivated reasons and anyone with a capacity for critical thinking, such as Adam, can see that is a blatant truth.

    As for the scandals regarding Pao and her husband, they are both literally criminals that, among other things, stole millions of dollars from Louisiana firefighter retirement funds. Pao is actively trying to attain 2.7m$ in order to pay legal fees for having taken part in a multi-million dollar ponzi scheme. Also, Pao libeled Arnold Schwarzenegger and it was proven in court that she made things up about him in order to slander him and frame him for sexual assault. There's also the frivolous lawsuit against her former employer that was covered by the media, along with her resulting attempts at blackmailing them for, guess what, 2.7m$. She is an absolute scumbag and a literal criminal. These are only a few of the scandals.

    [–]winterd -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Did SRS try to goad someone into attempting suicide?

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    SRS has done plenty of abhorrent things. I'm unaware of FPH actively trying to destroy people's lives, livelihood and families, yet SRS has done that repeatedly. If one single abusive instance is justification for FPH being banned then SRS has accrued hundreds of justifications for bannings.

    [–]ShrimpFood 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm unaware of FPH actively trying to destroy people's lives

    now what?

    You have to keep in mind a lot of these rules are relatively new. What SRS did 3 years ago does not matter, and there's no way in hell the admins are going to stick their hands in the pile of shit that is retroactive enforcement of rules that did not exist.

    The new rules were placed, SRS mods reigned their shit in, FPH mods did not. At times, they encouraged targeting particular people. Don't even pretend sidebarring a picture of an autistic woman and then making a post about exactly why they sidebarred it wouldn't result in many more insults sent her way.

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    When I said actively trying to destroy their lives, I didn't mean posting a publicly available picture and making fun of them. I meant actually trying to destroy their lives. Things like doxxing, calling your family, calling your employer, calling professional contacts. Destroying your career and family life (using overt lies, no less) is quite different than being mean to you on the internet... There is no comparison here. So yeah I still haven't seen anything to suggest that FPH has literally tried to ruin people's lives like SRS has been proven to have done time and again (and they still do it to this day.)

    In that picture, is what they did bad? Yes. Do I support it? No. Is it the same thing as trying to destroy your livelihood the way SRS does? Lol no. It's deluded to think that being mean in text on the internet = trying to destroy your life, especially when compared to the serious attacks on peoples' lives that SRS has conducted repeatedly.

    Let me know when FPH calls people's employer, family, professional contacts, local police station, local news station etc in an attempt to get them fired, to make them lose their family and even their home and liberty.

    [–]ShrimpFood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So telling a suicidal person in /r/SuicideWatch it's actually all their fault is no biggie. This is suicide watch. I trust you're not a regular there, because over there we make an effort to help people who are genuinely feeling like they're going to kill themselves. This is serious. If you don't think words over the internet can affect someone who is suicidal (and already in a state of irrationality) then you have no experience in the matter, and I'm not sure why you have an opinion in it then.

    Stop making excuses

    They didn't suceeed, you lost.

    Suck it up buttercup. Life moves on.

    These are not things you ever tell a suicidal person if your intention is for them to live through it. It displays a serious lack of empathy. There's your brigading too, btw. No way in hell would a regular of SW say any of these things.

    Let me know when FPH calls people's employer, family, professional contacts, local police station, local news station etc in an attempt to get them fired, to make them lose their family and even their home and liberty.

    I'd like an example of this actually happening where you can actually verify they're SRSers because you keep saying this, but I'm not sure why we're operating on the assumption that this has happened, without any proof. You look at half the usernames in my screenshot, they're all complaining about Chairman Pao right now, so it's not hard to see where they stand on the issue. How about these evil SRS harpies who are ruining lives?

    If you really want to actually prove a point, find a case of this where it's happened after the new rules, in the last year and a half or so. I don't think it's happened at all, but like I said, there's no way in hell admins would retroactively enforce rules that didn't exist before, so it's kind of a moot point if it's older than that. The metasphere was a different place; all of reddit was a different place 3 or so years ago. SRS has tried to reign in their bullshit as of late, but FPH did not.

    [–]Babill 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes. As well as ruining multiple lives for perceived wrongs. Yes. They have.

    [–]ShrimpFood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The suicide case was proven to be false by the person perpetuating the rumour.

    [–]ThePerformance -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh you acted like you knew something I didn't (except for the pao scandle bit at the bottom that looks pretty suspicious but ill look into it).

    Your actually just a dick.

    [–]Phinaeus -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    tldr: /r/WhatAboutSRS/

    [–]porkypenguin -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You ought to present your points first instead of insulting people. You'd be surprised by how much likelier people are to agree with you when you're not an asshole.

    [–]Gynophile -1ポイント0ポイント  (7子コメント)

    You're reasonable and make a lot of sense!

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Demonstrating that you know virtually nothing about something you're providing an opinion on is making a lot of sense? Literal ignorance = making sense?

    I expected better from you lot.

    [–]Gynophile -2ポイント-1ポイント  (5子コメント)

    I'm sorry you feel that way, what else can you tell me about your feelings?

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Go back to your harassment/mocking subreddits you supercilious hypocrite.

    [–]AttackTheMoon -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Keep crying nerd

    [–]BattleChimpAdam's Apple 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    /r/srs

    Go back to your hate subs while pretending you're morally superior.

    edit: holy shit, like all of your reddit activity is harassment/mocking/hate subs. Nice. Notice the trend with people like you? You're fucking hypocrites.

    [–]Phinaeus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Oh no, they're talking about me on a different subreddit! That's clearly harassment!"

    [–]rreoton 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

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    [–]johnyann 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Look. If behavior was being banned, then actual users would be banned. Not entire subreddits where maybe .01% of the user base were engaging in banable behavior.

    [–]Bazampi 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're right, but Voat is not coming anywhere near being a good alternative to Reddit. I'm also too invested in other Reddit communities to just simply leave.

    [–]heres_the_lamb_sauce 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah... I don't think I'll ever use that cesspool of bigots and conspiritards.

    [–]johnymyko 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, I guess I'm the only one here who agrees with Adam and thinks he has a good argument.

    I mean, I'm not moving to Voat, I'm not ready to leave some subreddits, but it's extremely obvious how Reddit is moving towards censorship, it started long before this FPH thing.

    [–]BoboOrban6 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Was there every a youtuber as based as Adam?

    That was a rhetorical question, the answer is no.

    [–]doyouwantapizzaroll 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    A lot of people are forgetting that fph was only one of the subs that got banned. /r/neofag, a sub critical of the gaming website neogaf, was another victim.

    The explanations the mods have given for these bans are inconsistent with their actions.

    [–]XeroStare 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am no sjw and I love YMS and respect Adam for his opinions and shit, but moving his fanbase to an objectively worse site for something as trivial as this is silly. r/fatpeoplehate was banned because it made all of Reddit look bad, as clearly evidenced by the inconsistencies with the banning of other subreddits. The admins clearly just don’t want a subreddit devoted to something as juvenile, bigoted, and “edgy” as r/fatpeoplehate to be essentially advertised on their site. The banning of smaller subreddits that could potentially become as large as r/fatpeoplehate is a completely understandable means to this end. Reddit has, in the past, said they supported freedom of speech but, like all freedoms, this freedom has a limit. Just like you can’t find a person you dislike in real life, stalk them around, and tell them to kill themselves without expecting a punishment you cannot do the virtual proxy of such acts on Reddit and expect to not be punished. You can’t post shit about the owner of the website having affairs or husband issues on popular subreddits either, because she owns the goddamn website and doesn’t want to be shamed on her own goddamn website. The things that will get censored on Reddit are common sense that people should be accustomed to having experience living in a human society.

    No smaller subreddit is going to be affected by these bans unless they do something such as harass many, many people, and even then they will probably not be affected. I’m fine with protesting and not wanting to support a website whose principles you disagree with, but to do so by shooting yourself in the foot is pretty dumb. Reddit is the largest and almost definitely the best place for a Youtuber such as Adam to have a place to discuss and share his work. Hell, Reddit is the reason Adam is popular. I personally would rather not become popular on a website that embraces freedom of speech to the point of supporting and spreading the ideas of the modern, internet equivalent of the KKK or make members of such a group have a better day with my videos, but that is just me and if you support freedom of speech on principle to such impractical extremes then whatever. There is a reason that 4chan is not nearly as popular as Reddit and why /b/ is not known for its stimulating conversation.

    I still love your Youtube videos but if your subreddit dies you will probably get fewer views. Not everyone here is a die hard fan and not everyone here (myself included) will see all of your videos if you mainly post them somewhere else. Most other subreddits I follow see this scandal as what it is; a contrarian, reactionary, “muh freedom of speech” shitstorm of impractical changes for the sake of a principle. I don’t hate you or think you’re a dumbass because you are so attached to principle, but I disagree with being attached to principle to such a level and strongly warn you against making such decisions solely on principle.

    Tl;dr Why get upset over this? It will affect no smaller subreddit. Everyone will get over it a month tops (i.e. gamergate, r/thefappening’s ban, r/jailbait’s ban I guess but no one cared because that subreddit wasn’t popular and popularity clearly drives correctness) and the argument in no way impacts movies or movie reviews. I will wholeheartedly support a move to a different website if this censorship develops to a level that affects this subreddit or movie reviews in general, and I like YMS enough to check his Youtube for uploaded videos occasionally if this subreddit dies to an unusable level (doubtful), but this move is still dumb and reactionary and wholly unnecessary. Pls don’t hate me I just disagree.

    [–]jimmybrite 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    srs still exists but fph is gone.

    Edit: I'm 100% with Adam on this, it seems like a reasonable thing to do, no?

    [–]AttackTheMoon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Damn what a bad post lmao

    [–]Kumdogmillionaire -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Didn't think Adam was a bitch like this...

    Voat is a much worse place than reddit. Sure there isn't censorship, but there is rampant racism, sexism, and conspiracy nutjobs all over that site. Don't make a dumb move Adam, you will lose quite a bit of traffic over freeze peaches that don't exist, sense this is a private website

    [–]Wubbledaddy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    trigger me to in the future

    TRIGGERED

    [–]KesianHead Mod 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well I for one am not moving to Voat, however I can see why anyone on here might. At this point I'm a little too invested into reddit, and I have subscribed to tons of subreddits that I enjoy and I try to refrain from using he front page now.

    If anyone here decides to make the move in the future, I don't blame you. It was a pleasure to have you on this subreddit with us. I'll probably always be here from now on.

    [–]Cyridius -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is just simply straight up incorrect information.

    Reddit has been absolutely consistent with its banning. Like really your excuse is "They're banning all the subs that were created to evade bans!"?

    Why does this sub have moderators? Surely you wouldn't intend to censor people by deleting comments or banning them?