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[–]fantasyfest 97ポイント98ポイント  (115子コメント)

The 911 Timeline showed that many countries and sources warned the US in plenty of time. Some were quite specific.

[–]BeastmanBob 85ポイント86ポイント  (99子コメント)

"Psst, bros...you are packing those towers with a lot of thermite. Are you sure that's safe?"

[–]livinincalifornia 39ポイント40ポイント  (98子コメント)

"It's alright, we'll just use it quickly to demolish WTC Building 7 and blame it on a small isolated fire, they'll buy that"

[–]BeastmanBob 1ポイント2ポイント  (97子コメント)

That's actually what happened. My post was sarcasm by the way.

[–]spasticbadger 3ポイント4ポイント  (69子コメント)

The fire did not cause the collapse. No steel framed building has ever collapsed due to fire. It fell at free fall speed for a large portion of the collapse meaning it encountered no resistance from any part of the building below. It also collapsed uniformly into it's own footprint. What we are told happened that day is literally physically impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[–]BeastmanBob 0ポイント1ポイント  (52子コメント)

Fire + debris damage actually. Not actually free fall speed. Heavy objects tend to crumble downwards when they do crumble.

You are just repeating errors that have been refuted millions of times for the last 14 years. I hope for your sake you're just trolling me.

[–]architechnicality 19ポイント20ポイント  (27子コメント)

NIST itself says in this report that damage caused by the twin towers did not contribute to the collapse of WTC7.

[–]Engagethedawn -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

Jet fuel. Steel beams.

[–]marathon -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

steel actually burns.

it is how blow torches cut steel.

[–]architechnicality 10ポイント11ポイント  (9子コメント)

Jet Fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. The thing is people confuse this and think that people pointing out this fact are saying that the steel had to be melted to cause the twin towers to collapse. The significance of jet fuel (or any fuel within a plane and steel skyscraper) not being able to melt steel is that there was molten steel witnessed by the recovery crews as well as physical evidence of it fused throughout not only the site of WTC 1 and 2 but also WTC 7. A jetliner colliding and engulfing a skyscraper in fire causing it to collapse makes sense but the presence of molten steel in the rubble does not.

[–]architechnicality -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Useless comments. Vague Trolls.

[–]ozzykozzy2 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

But like... I really wanna know... Why is there no consensus?

[–]XIGRIMxREAPERIX -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

JET STEEL CANT MELT DANK MEMES

[–]BeastmanBob -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh so does it also then say that it must have been a conspiracy? Or does it say something else maybe?

[–]architechnicality 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How is that even a reasonable response to my post? I clearly cited a report by NIST on the official cause of collapse for WTC7. They are a scientific organization tasked to investigate the science of this buildings collapse. That has nothing go do with the planning and parties involved in the events leading up to the collapse. By the way, the official explanation is a conspiracy involving a terrorist group created by the CIA and a man who was never officially wanted for the 911 attacks.

[–]BeastmanBob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes you cited the NIST report which details how and why the building collapsed. I think it does that fairly well, do we agree on that?

[–]BeastmanBob -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

You should read that report:

  1. What caused the fires in WTC 7?

Debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces.

[–]architechnicality 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Thanks for exposing how lazy and ignorant you really are.

  1. Did debris from the collapse of WTC 1 cause damage to WTC 7's structure in a way that contributed to the building's collapse? The debris from WTC 1 caused structural damage to the southwest region of WTC 7—severing seven exterior columns—but this structural damage did not initiate the collapse. The fires initiated by the debris, rather than the structural damage that resulted from the impacts, initiated the building's collapse after the fires grew and spread to the northeast region after several hours. The debris impact caused no damage to the spray-applied fire-resistive material that was applied to the steel columns, girders, and beams except in the immediate vicinity of the severed columns. The debris impact damage did play a secondary role in the last stages of the collapse sequence, where the exterior façade buckled at the lower floors where the impact damage was located. A separate analysis showed that even without the structural damage due to debris impact, WTC 7 would have collapsed in fires similar to those that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001. None of the large pieces of debris from WTC 2 hit WTC 7 because of the large distance between the two buildings.
  2. Would WTC 7 have collapsed even if there had been no structural damage induced by the collapse of WTC 1? Yes. Even without the structural damage, WTC 7 would have collapsed from the fires that the debris initiated. The growth and spread of the lower-floor fires due to the loss of water supply to the sprinklers from the city mains was enough to initiate the collapse of the entire building due to buckling of a critical column in the northeast region of the building.

[–]XIGRIMxREAPERIX -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

JET STEEL CANT MELT DANK MEMES

[–]BeastmanBob -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did I say anything that's actually a contradiction to anything you said if you look closely? Debris started fires. Fire caused collapse = debris and fire. Sounds to me like we agree, you should spend your energy arguing with the morons that maintain the building was demolished :)

[–]spasticbadger 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

The link I provided is to the website of a non profit organisation of thousands of architects and engineers from across the world who dispute what the government says happened that day. I am much more inclined to believe them than the government who lies about everything.

[–]BeastmanBob -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

There are almost 20.000 architects in California alone. This is a global petition so how many architects and engineers have not seen any reason to sign this petition? This is a TINY minority of people. In reality you'll find almost no engineers that see any reason to dispute what happened.

...since you want to appeal to authority.

[–]spasticbadger 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

The majority of people do not know about the circumstances surrounding building 7 however hence why AE911truth grows daily with new members. You know what is telling? Go on YouTube and watch structural engineers/architects/physicists being shown the collapse for the first time, every single one first says it is a controlled demolition, then once they are told what the building was their faces tell it all.

[–]BeastmanBob 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

"Daily"...it's been 14 years. Almost every educated person sees no reason to jump on this bandwagon.

"Go on YouTube and watch structural engineers/architects/physicists being shown the collapse for the first time, every single one first says it is a controlled demolition,"

...every one that the people making those videos have picked and then shown maybe.

[–]northener101 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

(1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)

Free fall of 7 admitted by NIST themselves - thats 100 feet of the building that magically vanished, offering 0 resistance to the fall. Try to wiggle out of this one.

[–]BeastmanBob -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

You're citing a report that perfectly explains how that exact building could have, and did, collapse due to out of control fires on many floors caused by debris from the towers. Just read the whole thing.

[–]northener101 -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

I read the whole thing and it makes no sense. I've studied implosions and in order to reach free fall acceleration you have to by default have 0 resistance throughout all 81 columns throughout the building.

Only possible with explosives, mate. Fire is a slow organic process , what we witnessed was a symmetrical implosion, a feat only practiced by controlled demolition companies. Fire has never imploded a steel structure, even damaged ones. The fires in 7 weren't even raging but we've seen in Asia skyscrapers completely engulfed by fire, like a torch.

There is a controlled demolition technique (vernon) where they use the kinetic energy from a falling block to destroy the part beneath. You always see the falling block slow down as it meets the undamaged floors, but in 7's case the thing just keeps on picking up speed. IT defies belief.

I talked about free fall because it instantly debunks the fire hypothesis so easily but there also so many reports of secondary explosions by firemen and first responders. Also a couple of audio recordings of loud bangs from 7.

But no matter how much sense I make you probably won't be able to rattle free from that cognitive dissonance which apparently has a tight grip on your critical thinking.

[–]BeastmanBob 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Near free fall is not the same as free fall. Even when we're talking a very marginal difference the difference matters. When a large steel frame building crumbles and it's weight starts to accelerate, the weight can eliminate what resistance there is in lower floors very easily and increasingly so until the end.

[–]anzio_annie -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

But no matter how much sense I make you probably won't be able to rattle free from that cognitive dissonance which apparently has a tight grip on your critical thinking.

This is probably a big reason why nobody takes you seriously.

[–]Batatata -5ポイント-4ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's kinda crazy how crazy 9/11 conspiracies are only supported on crazy 9/11 sites.

Kinda tells you something

[–]JamesColesPardon 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really, when you consider the implications.

[–]architechnicality 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

crazy 9/11 conspiracies

False flag terror events are neither crazy nor unprecedented.

[–]owlpole 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Its absolutely crazy to see false flags in every event

[–]architechnicality 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I didn't know that 9/11 was every event?

[–]owlpole -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Good on you for misreading what I said, which I guess is somewhat of a prerequisite to becoming a conspiracy theorist.

[–]RaikerCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

[–]Scattered_Disk -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

No steel framed building has ever collapsed due to fire.

Your contribution to the American political scene is appreciated, it made me (as a Chinese) hopeful for my country to eventually surpass yours.

[–]RaikerCat 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Me, as a Chinese, knows that China will never surpass anything so long as The Party is still in charge; keep dreaming.

[–]Scattered_Disk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it's not happening if you don't like it, totally.

求接着黑

[–]XIGRIMxREAPERIX -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

JET STEEL CANT MELT DANK MEMES

[–]BitchinTechnology -5ポイント-4ポイント  (26子コメント)

No it wasn't

[–]BeastmanBob 12ポイント13ポイント  (25子コメント)

Erm...yes it was, I wrote it so I happen to know how it was meant. And I'm wearing my tinfoil hat btw so you can't read my intentions.

[–]holocauster-ride 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a story often attributed to Isaac Asimov, perhaps apocryphal, he argues that a teacher is misunderstanding a piece of his, to which responds the teacher: "Just because you wrote it, what makes you think you have the slightest idea what it's about?"

[–]monkeyinadress 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

careful how you dispose of the aluminum afterwards. if you leave it laying around, the aliens can snatch it and read your brain waves from the grooves they leave on the inside of the hat. they read it like a vinyl record.

[–]shogun_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh that's what my conspiracy mentors always tell me to crumple is up afterwards or use it as baking cover for a casserole.

[–]on_with_disease 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So then the question remains, who failed to heed these warnings? Lack of communication between the Bush intelligence committee? Lack of leadership from Bush himself? Serious questions and possible implications here.

[–]fantasyfest 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The warnings were given to Bush , Condi and to the government through various ways. They may have not taken them seriously. Some were specific about using airplanes as weapons.

It is true that we did not have many Arab language experts, or interagency communications at that time. We probably still do not.

[–]humblepotatopeeler 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

kinda makes sense how most of the higher ups weren't in the towers that morning.

[–]Edward_L_J_Bernays 10ポイント11ポイント  (10子コメント)

I've read other people saying that in the past, any credible sources for that claim?

[–]scathing1 62ポイント63ポイント  (22子コメント)

Does it really matter if the money came directly from the Saudis? It's pretty clear there's only 2 or 3 steps in between the US, Saudi Arabia, and many terror events.

But like HSBC laundering drug money, there's never any accountability for the institutions themselves.

[–]cagedmandrill 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Of course there isn't. American financial institutions are the ones holding all of the Saudi's money, and that money was actually our money at one point, because the Wahabi family's money all comes from American purchases of their oil.

[–]mynjo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because only Americans buy oil.

[–]Darius1618 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, because Saudi only use American dollars in buying and selling oil.

[–]holocauster-ride 26ポイント27ポイント  (8子コメント)

Government agents 'directly involved' in most high-profile US terror plots

[–]BitchinTechnology 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

3 steps? I am 3 steps away from every major terrorist event too.

Never played 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon?

[–]spasticbadger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're now on a more important list.

[–]whatsinthesocks -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Even then it's coming from the Saudi Royal family which is huge. So it doesn't necessarily mean it came from the king or anybody else with governmental positions.

[–]trakam 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

The reason they don't want Saudi implicated is because they know the trail won't stop there.

[–]whatsinthesocks 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Where else would it go?

[–]IstvaanShogaatsu 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

Back to the US.

The six degrees of Kevin Bacon in that case looking something a little like...

9/11 hijackers > Osama Bin Laden > Osama Bin Laden's Saudi Intelligence handler > Saudi Intelligence's source of financing > The CIA.

[–]zombie64 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here is an interesting interview with Richard Clarke, counter terrorism adviser to both Bush and Clinton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzP9YJpBubk

He describes a situation where the CIA had hid information that they had about some of the hijackers entering the country. He doesn't have an answer for why, but speculates it was related to the CIA's campaign to get informants within al-qaeda. He then describes how the hijackers received funding from a Saudi operative. He goes into more detail (12mins).

So the CIA could have been giving money to the Saudi's to funnel to the hijackers in an effort to turn them into informants.

It really doesn't seem that outrageous given all of the shit the CIA has pulled.

[–]3dg3c4s3 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that what the US government calls terrorists they fund? "Informants"? That's a nice and nebulous term which gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

[–]MeAndMyKumquat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds plausible. From what I've read regarding the CIA, they love throwing bribe money at problems.

[–]Ladderjack 45ポイント46ポイント  (28子コメント)

In 1997, Dick Cheney authored an essay for the Neoconservative think-tank Project for a New American Century called "Rebuilding America's Defenses", in which he outlines the broad steps desired by that group to cement American imperial power globally over the next century. In that essay, Dick Cheney indicates that the single most beneficial and desirable asset PNAC and similar movements could have to complete their plans would be a terrible and galvanizing act of violence by a foreign aggressor, one that would leave every American feeling terrified, vulnerable and angry. Less than five years later, the administration that then-Vice President Dick Cheney oversees just happens to not notice a report successfully predicting the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, as well as a host of other clues through other channels of information. Those people in power at the time (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and others) will never be proven to have been involved, but they were at least complicit.

EDIT: Dick Cheney was not Secretary of Defense in 1997.

[–]Fart_McFart_Fart 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

Daily reminder that this video is a real thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSV_udW4mFs They knew what kind of mess Iraq would turn into, they obviously invaded Iraq with the purpose of doing to that country what is currently being done to it through ISIS. They were fully aware what would happen. To me, it's no leap of the imagination to assume that any group of people willing to destroy the lives of an entire region's people probably don't have any kind of problem having 2,977 more lives on their conscience just so long as they finally reach their end goal, whatever that might be. People need to stop letting their cognitive dissonance get in the way and stop getting mad at people for making the logical conclusion that the people who have taken over America had at least some kind of involvement in 9/11. They need to get mad at the people that are responsible for selling the American dream to the highest bidder and the people that have made this country America in name only, and not in principles. I love my country, I'm furious at what is has become, and everyone else should be too. It's our lives they are fucking with, we have the power to fix this, we've done it before, people just need to actually use their minds and realize what has happened to us. It will take all of us to fix this, not just the "crazy conspiracy theorists."

Edit- Added a bonus video where former Gen.Wesley Clark talks about how the invasion of Iraq was already planned just 10 days after 9/11. 10 days is all it took to decide to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM Also, google the phrase "The New Pearl Harbor." The information from that gives an amazing idea of what people had to gain from 9/11.

[–]ridger5 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just a reminder that this aired 6 months before 9/11

[–]northener101 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, 3k is just collateral damage to those fuckers. I remember seeing Ms Albright stating that killing 500.000 iraqi babies with sanctions was justifiable. Made me thoroughly sick.

this was a joint effort by neocons and the Mossad. No doubt about it.

[–]tolstayakoshka 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

How old you are? You sound to smart for a name like Fartmcfartfart

[–]devonc01 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Counter-point: it's obvious that attacks on a nation galvanize the will of the populous, it's obvious that in order to maintain domination over the world in U.S. terms we need to ensure that whatever commodity is the most expensive/widely traded would be traded in oil, it's obvious that the middle east has both oil wealth and other mineral wealth and that it is right next to China/India/Russia, and it is obvious that letting the Middle East form a caliphate/Russia moving into the area/China moving into the area/India moving into the area would all mean that the U.S. loses superiority (see Taliban, see Muhajadeen, see Thailand/Phillipines/Japan, see Pakistan).

It just so happens that the man who was in charge of leading the charge - after a rich kid with money who had leanings that were outside of the Empiric U.S. interests would fund radical attacks in the same way that a kid may vandalize the property of someone who flaunts their toys and imposes their will like a bully - would also be intelligent enough to see the shit that has been obvious since 1945 and probably before.

[–]ridger5 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why would a Democrat President have a right wing Secretary of Defense?

[–]clearing 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dick Cheney's tenure as Secretary of Defense ended in January, 1993. Wikipedia says that the author of the named report was Thomas Donnelly.

[–]northener101 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

A vital step was to change the shoot down laws and procedures, which Darth Cheney did, and promptly after 911 changed 'em back. Norman Mineta, former transportation secretary said under oath (and on film) famously;(Cheney;) "Of course the order still stands , have you heard anything to the contrary? " ( why not at least alert the people working in the pentagon??) Psst it might have something to do with getting enough casualties. Something which failed in '93.

Pretty damning stuff, and OF COURSE the video got omitted from the 911 omission report. Just like the 80 or so videos around the pentagon which the FBI confiscated every single one. Nothing is as ridiculous as the earth just swallowing flight 93, leaving nothing at all behind like jet turbine engines made of titanium alloy.

/rant

[–]saladspoons 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

So where did flight 93 supposedly go then btw?

[–]northener101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t8948.html

I don't know, but it sure as hell isn't there, even the coroner stated: I stopped being a coroner after 20 minutes, there was not a single drop of blood there.

Just think about it

[–]BitchinTechnology -5ポイント-4ポイント  (14子コメント)

Or you know, the CIA and FBI not communicating with eacht other. 20.20 Hindsight is a bitch

[–]holocauster-ride 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

Not just the CIA and FBI, systemic failure of the North American air defense grid and miscommunication between nearly every defense and intelligence agency.

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    [–]m8stro -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    . . . any credible source for this?

    [–]Thanks12321 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I still think its funny that people think that the planes were hijacked by terrorist

    [–]AndyBea 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's as if everyone knows that top Saudis were behind 911 but they're determined not to let it be discussed.

    Just as everyone knows that Israel set out to sink the USS Liberty in the full knowledge that it was a US ship.

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      [–]mattdent54 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Press TV, the only news organization Iran allows.

      [–]terryinsullivan -3ポイント-2ポイント  (34子コメント)

      The enduring legacy of 911 is the notion that we all know it was an inside job, we know the guilty parties but even now any suggestion of it makes one a crack pot conspiracy theorist. Bastards

      [–]Sanity_in_Moderation -3ポイント-2ポイント  (25子コメント)

      Well to be fair, if you actually believe Bush orchestrated 9/11 you are definitely either batshit crazy or just stupid.

      [–]reputable_opinion 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Bush orchestrated 9/11

      Look how this poster twists your post to make you seem ridiculous. Of course anyone reading will see what he is doing and it's no wonder why.

      Inside Job is not the same as saying Bush orchestrated it.

      Batshit crazy and stupid are simply insults.. how fitting.

      Division and Tension.. nice one JTRIG.

      [–]terryinsullivan -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Pixie dust brought down WTC7 Bush and Cheney did everything they could to stymie an investigation. Wrong engines at crash sites. Secret service should have rushed Bush out of that school as Andrew Card told him we were under attack. NORAD told to stand down by Cheney. Saudi royals allowed to fly out when all else was grounded.
      Refusal to release video of pentagon attack. IMO, those that believe the official story Are the batshit crazy ones.

      [–]fuck_all_mods 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Pretty much. I don't buy the whole thermite thing, but I've read the 9/11 commission report and I strongly believe a lot of shady shit was going on and it probably had to do with the Saudi's.

      [–]weakmoves -5ポイント-4ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Why? Is it more sane to believe cave dwelling Afganistan islamists somehow "got lucky" and managed to fly an airliner into one of the most heavily guarded buildings in North. America the Pentagon? Do you even know how many building were actually destroyed in new York on 9/11?

      [–]mick_dog 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

      cave dwelling Afganistan islamists

      this is why he said you're either batshit crazy or stupid. the 9/11 hijackers were mostly arabs, none of them were from afghanistan. they trained in afghanistan for a short time but also got flight training in the US. this is all common knowledge and not disputed.

      [–]Nicenightforawalk01 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This is why people have to think crazy because they cannot accept that these "cave dwelling Afghanistan Islamists" can attack the might of u.s power on their own turf.

      [–]bayerndj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And they still could. The US is a remarkably open country. The govt has to be right every time, terrorists just have to be right once. It's an impossibly hard fight.

      [–]weakmoves 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Ok so why did we invade Afganistan again?

      [–]mick_dog 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      uh... because al-qaeda (including the 9/11 hijackers) had trained/ were training there and supported by the taliban. bill clinton ordered airstrikes on taliban training camps as far back as 1998. after OBL claimed responsibility for 9/11, why wouldn't we have invaded?

      please at least read the wikipedia article before trying to argue a conspiracy theory with me.

      [–]reputable_opinion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      several reasons, not least of which was the halting of opium production in 2000-2001 by the taliban.

      [–]Philbo_Baggins 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

      So you are dismissing their ability to plan their attacks based on a false assumption that those who planned the attack were ignorant and archaic?

      [–]weakmoves -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

      .we don't know who planned the attacks because our government won't release information regarding who funded the attacks.

      [–]Philbo_Baggins -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

      How old are you? You can't be that old or else you would recall Osama Bin Laden putting out a video taking credit for the attacks, and talking about them. Also don't forget he had family wealth, as well being the head of the most prominent terrorist group of the time, which has already carried out multiple terrorist attacks.

      [–]weakmoves 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Ya how about u watch that video that is correctly translated you will see Osama joking about the attacks but never actually taking credit.

      [–]Philbo_Baggins -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Have any citation? Considering the video was reviewed countless time and dissected under extreme scrutiny, one would think a reliable source would be easy to cite.

      [–]weakmoves 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Have you ever seen the video you are claiming he admitted to plotting 9/11?

      [–]Philbo_Baggins -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You asshole, you couldn't find one. Go peddle your retardation in /r/conspiracy. Also, yes, I have seen the video or else why would I cite it?

      [–]colin_000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Seven. When debris fell on them.

      [–]_golden_retriever_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      cave dwelling

      Man, if you're calling the al-Masada (Lion's Den) a simple cave, then you're mistaken. OBL poured in a ton money into that facility in the late 80's. It was both strategic and symbolic. Muhammad's first revelation came from a cave, Hira, and OBL embraced and played on that symbolism.

      [–]itsbackthewayucamee -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      the best part is how they talk in absolutes all the time. like oh i saw this one youtube video one time from another crackpot conspiracy nut with no frame of reference on what he's talking about, so that makes what i'm saying unequivocally true and anyone who doesn't believe it is an idiot. yeah, sure.

      [–]Johnnyboy716 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Hate to be that guy. But this just leaves more room for conspiracy 14 years later and we still don't have all the facts. We still don't have all the answers to the questions. It's amazing, really. You have people who accuse the government of attacking their own country and they give no evidence to prove otherwise. Instead, they release a report that makes it more suspicious.

      [–]XIGRIMxREAPERIX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      JET STEEL CANT MELT DANK MEMES

      [–]paid_zionist_shi111 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lol. Hmm I wonder if it talks about bush's close ties to Saudi monarchy and vice versa. They will delay as long as possible same as the jfk files. Those damn conspiracy theorists are conspirators!!!

      [–]MasterHerbologist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The only important ones... Saudi's were almost all the hijackers.

      [–]TheMadmanAndre 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ITT: Alex Jones fanboy Brigades.

      [–]lukasrygh23 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh good god, here come the truthers.

      [–]cb75 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      we are just spokes in a wheel that driving over our true freedom..

      [–]a_jaxx -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ZetaTalk on 9/11 justice:

        "911 was False Flag as Dick Cheney was orchestrating the event, at the helm, though he will never be brought to justice for this. This and the US electoral fraud in 2000 and 2004 via Diebold paperless voting machines is considered too shocking for the American public to handle, and thus will be suppressed forever. The UK False Flag on 77 was done by the UK for the benefit of Bush/Blair during the Iraq war, to motivate doubters in the UK. MH 017 was downed by Kiev in an attempt to engage Europe to fight Ukraine’s battles."

      -- ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for 17 January 2015

        Global Research is correct in guessing that no more than Saudi involvement in 911 will be revealed should any currently classified documents get declassified. The truth about the Bush family’s involvement, and in particular Dick Cheney’s central orchestration of events, was never investigated, so cannot be declassified. Putin was threatening to release 911 satellite images during the Ukraine standoff, and all this was in process well before the October 20 announcement date was missed. We have mentioned that the rats are starting to turn on each other, and even though 911 is not central to the cover-up [on Nibiru], proof lies in many hands, it is likely that by this process 911 justice will result.

      --ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for January 10, 2015

      [–]NMeiden -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      ITT: jet fuel cant melt steel beams.

      [–]northener101 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

      ding ding ding You Are Correct *

      Open Air Burn temperature: 1,030 °C (1,890 °F) : Kerosene max https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

      Steel's melting point is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit (1510 Celsius).

      Some would say now you don't need to melt steel, you just need to weaken it. FEMA FOUND STEEL THAT LOOKED LIKE SWISS CHEESE

      Only thing explaining this phenomenon puzzling FEMA fire wise professors is the use of thermite, which remains were found of.

      [–]angstybagels 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oh c'mon people, this is the most amusing variation of this meme I've seen all day.

      [–]Might_be_jesus -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      THATS BECAUSE IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB

      [–]MisterPooftahburger -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

      PressTV LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      [–]BlackTeaLeaves -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Its funny that the Iranian news source is reporting this.