France bans sale of Monsanto herbicide Roundup in nurseries

borrax · 11時間前

Good, babies and toddlers didn't need to be buying it anyway.

freespeechcensored · 15時間前

under the new TTIP monsanto can just sue them and get away with it if that horrible thing ever passes

MasterHerbologist · 12時間前

This doesn't make sense. There are for sure problems with mass-application of glyphosate, but for small applications it is actually a very reasonable and relatively safe choice.

(Class "A" Pesticide applicator, Canada)

TheSecretAstronaut · 13時間前

ITT: "Chemicals cause cancer." Polar ends of the spectrum are commenting in here, get out while you still can.

BelfreyE · 11時間前

At least in the US, glyphosate has been off-patent for quite a while, and there are many cheap generic brands in widespread use. But for a certain segment of mass media consumers, it's still all about "RoundUp" and everyone's favorite agricultural boogeyman, Monsanto.

ElagabalusRex · 11時間前

Damn. Glyphosate is really useful for certain kinds of weeds, and is provably safer than its predecessors (even if the latest study is correct). I feel like glyphosate is being unfairly targeted because of the Monsanto connection. Clearly Monsanto is morally questionable at best, but outrage over glyphosate is not supported by reason.

circuitcycle · 8時間前

In 2009 France convicted Monsanto of lying about the safety of Roundup. This move does not come as a surprise to me.

source

vitaq · 11時間前

What's so bad about this herbicide? Can someone chime in on this so we know

No_Inside_Voice · 11時間前

There are two separate arguments here and people love to gloss over the first one. The first is whether you agree that food is a business. If you think that food should be widely accessible to everyone on the planet and that companies should not have a stake in what we eat then the argument is over. However, your issue lies with people like ConAgra and devils way larger than Monsanto. In this case you should be mad at your representatives who are so easily lobbied by the food industry to pass laws protecting people like Monsanto.

But let's say you are okay with making food a business. Well then that's what Monsanto does - they are a business who makes money off your food. Yes they replace technology every 5-10 years just like everyone else under the sun. They also put millions and millions of dollars plus more than a decade of R & D, licensing etc. into the creation of these products. That kind of money/time isn't available for research institutions (for anyone saying "let the universities do the work"). What business would put those resources into a product and then just let you keep it forever (i.e. seed)? Who in their right mind would spend that kind of time and money and then just hand over the ability to anyone who bought it to then reproduce it forever? That's like handing you a blueprint and a 3D printer with your iPhone. Also, insects and plants are tricky little buggers and develop resistance to these technologies very VERY quickly. So, even if you wanted to use that seed forever, you wouldn't be able to.

Also, since when did Monsanto become the only company alive? Have people never heard of Syngenta? Dow AgroSciences? Monsanto is one of many peas in the same pod. And if you want to continue the way of life that we, as a people, have grown accustomed to, then suck it up and deal with it. If you ACTUALLY want to do something about "all the chemicals" we put into our rivers, then do things like grow your own food, eat insects etc.

You, as the general population, cannot eat beef and pork and processed foods and then turn around and bitch about the companies that make your eating habits possible.

Source: I'm an entomologist who, before beginning graduate school, was EXTREMELY against GMOs and companies like Monsanto.

apachestop · 10時間前

Glyphosate. France finally did it. They fell for the bullshit.

wrecklord0 · 8時間前

French here, and as a background for other r/worldnews readers, it is important to understand that, in my completely biased, political opinion, the particular minister responsible for this announcement (Segolene Royal), is an idiot.

This fact can shed a lot of light into many of her policies.

bellevuefineart · 9時間前

I've read all the arguments for and against. It's a complex issue, and yet I still HATE Monsanto. The three top seed producers in the US are all proprietary, and all chemical companies. Monsanto, Syndgenta and DuPont. All have proprietary GMO seeds. All have internal research results that are not public. All of them, especially Monsanto, have lobbied Congress, purchased politicians, and put people in very high places in the FDA and USDA through lobbying and strong arm tactics.

It should be a matter of national security, if not international security, that seeds and seed technology be open source. We should never ever allow a company or individual to patent genes and life itself. We should never allow a corporation to place its own people in positions of power in regulatory agencies, as that destroys the integrity of any regulatory agency.

I'm will to allow some GMO crops, if open science and non-biased regulatory commissions approve it. But I'm not willing to allow the likes of Monsanto and their ilk to privatize and control life itself. We're on a very dangerous path here, and if the likes of Monsanto, DuPont and Syngenta are above board, then why all the shady lobbying? If it looks and smells like a crook, it's likely a crook. Monsanto is evil and crooked, and rotten to the core.

RespectTheTree · 9時間前

Note how they're allowing its use on farms... also note how their own internal review found "little evidence" of it being carcinogenic.

The whole EU lives in fear of multi-national biotech companies, and this seems like an extension of that emotional response. They're making a show of restricting its use for home gardeners, while nothing changes in agriculture. It's all politics.

Thefreethefree · 6時間前

I remember saying something bad about that company and got lots of downvotes. I'm very surprised there are so many pro pesticide and GMO people on reddit. And I'm not mentioning that company's name for a reason since those "fans" search for certain keywords

AUS_Doug · 11時間前

TL;DR Whoever came up with this idiotic idea is stupider than the most idiotic and narrow minded tutor I've ever had.

A few units of study ago, we had to do an essay on GM foods.

The material we got told to take our information from consisted of two journal articles on all the evil shit that Monsanto has done.

That's it.

So I naturally made a point of pointing out the potential benefits of GM foods, having done a lot of my own research and I ultimately presented a balanced report.

'GM is good because', 'GM is bad because' etc.

I specifically spent time saying that GM should not be dismissed as evil simply because Monsanto is involved and that to do so is idiotic.

I also expressed such a view in a class discussion on the topic, and pointed out that Roundup is perfectly fine to use if used responsibly.

The tutor chewed me out something fierce for it, accusing me of 'not reading the material she provided' and saying that 'the material she provided was all that we needed to make an informed judgement'.

This was the material that presented no arguments for GM foods.

I called her on it and told the unit convener; That particular tutor was then made to write an announcement about bias in essays and reporting, and had to specifically talk about why it is idiotic and childish to dismiss a particular field of research because it is dominated by one company with a less than rosy past.

I'm not normally big on smug satisfaction, but damn it felt good to see (read?) her eating that humble pie.

And I got an A for the report.

NoHorseInThisRace · 15時間前

People should be aware that the comments posted by Scuderia and Sleekery are prepared copypasta that is added to every Roundup- or glyphosate-related thread within minutes after posting.

I've detailed the practice here:

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/35pujt/colombia_will_stop_spraying_monsantos_roundup_on/cr6uyya?context=3

For Scuderia the comment can also be found here and here. It seems oddly out of place in response to this article, as it refers to an organization that isn't even mentioned in the title.

Bleunathan · 10時間前

I work at the Home Depot, and used to work in the seasonal department.. Unfortunately if you want real results and kill that weed that's the best one you can buy... Scott's is not bad but nothing compared to Round-Up

telemecanique · 11時間前

overreaction based on biased fear

slcott · 9時間前

Seems like "people" here have some love of Monsanto for some "reason"

bigpipes84 · 13時間前

So have they also banned salt? Thats more toxic than round up...

Fucking anti technology whackos will use any bit of propaganda to get their way.

scientifick · 9時間前

I think this belongs in /r/nottheonion

sharkshaft · 11時間前

Damn. Sucks for French people. Weeds gon' be everywhere n shit

dogsaybark · 12時間前

Oh no. I sprayed round up in some grass growing on my driveway yesterday. I am the problem.

NameIWontRegret · 9時間前

Yeah, that's a great policy if you don't want super babies

afisher123 · 53分前

I'm encouraged! At least readers here talk about TPP and TISA. Most Americans shrug and walk away.

theseeds · 10時間前

Monsanto pays one of the worlds largest PR firms "Burson-Marsteller" to handle social media. They are here on reddit to influence the flow of conversation. Some would call it social manipulation. "“In today’s rapidly evolving communications landscape where audiences shun generic broadcast messages desiring deeper, more personal engagement, social media has become the critical connector for every aspect of our business, from crisis communications to public affairs, investor relations and brand marketing,” said Lawrence. “I am honored to accept this award on behalf of the amazing work being done by my colleagues around the world who every day disrupt traditional thinking and innovate new approaches to engage audiences to help our clients leverage the power of social.”"

bookchaser · 9時間前

"Probably carcinogenic"? Do they label all carcinogens that way, or do they lack evidence?

varukasalt · 11時間前

Well that's fucking stupid.

moeburn · 10時間前

Fuck me I've gotta remember to stop commenting in these threads.

citizen_six · 9時間前

Interestingly, this retracted paper from French authors discusses the long term toxicity of Roundup. Several people have sent in letters to the editor to retract the paper, and in a controversal move FCT retracted it. The authors responded with their own letter, "Conclusiveness of toxicity and double standards" where they defend their work. They also mention that a former Monsanto employee was made Editor of Biotechnology, which was a position created for him at the journal.

So, all in all, it seems the French are taking a strong stand against Monsanto products.

snyx · 9時間前

Jesus Christ, so many Monsanto's apologists. Half of the world has ban it but their social media pr have enough bots to always have the top comments be how it's all bullshit and Monsanto is actually pretty safe. GTFO.

XxGhastxX · 13時間前

I don't get it, why don't they just make plants that are resistant to insects and the suchlike?

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