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[–]-mArtiAn- -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

You don't want my apology, no problem. You answered '9/11 conspiracy theories' to a question about insane theories. There's your insult right there. Anyway forget it, it's not important.

If you don't think the president of the structural engineers association of Utah is a credible witness, I don't know who is. What about these?

Mike Donoho, Fire Chief: “Large columns of steel were just stuck into massive amounts of molten steel and other metals….It looked like a massive, molten mess that had been fused together……With all that heavy, heavy stuff, there were wires, rebar, concrete. Most of it was just steel. A lot of what we were walking on was just molten steel.”

Ronald Burger, public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: “We descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and  steel flowed in molten streams.”

Leslie Robertson, Chief Structural Engineer for the World Trade Center, speaking at Stanford University, April 2002: “The heat was so intense we encountered rivers of molten steel.”

Richard Garlock, Structural Engineer, LERA: “What you had were large columns of steel that were just stuck into massive amounts of molten steel and other metals, that had just fused together from the heat and bonded together from the strength of the collapse.”

Mark Loizeaux - Controlled Demolition Incorporated: “A three-foot stalagmite of steel, which looks for all the world like a drip candle, sits next to one of the immense steel columns that held up the north face of the tower.”

Philip Ruvolo, Captain, FDNY: “You’d get down below and you’d see molten steel........molten steel, running down the channel rails.....like you’re in a foundry.....like lava.”

A study was carried out by the US Geological Survey, the purpose of which was to aid the “identification of WTC dust components.” Besides also finding iron particles, the scientists involved in this study found that molybdenum had been melted. This finding was especially significant, because this metal does not melt until it reaches 2,623°C (4,753°F).

The RJ Lee study found that temperatures had been reached “at which lead would have undergone vaporization”– meaning 1,749°C (3,180°F).

[–]LackingAHeart 1ポイント2ポイント  (10子コメント)

So you were able to copy/paste all of those but not the links from where you pulled them?

Ok buddy....

[–]-mArtiAn- -2ポイント-1ポイント  (9子コメント)

I don't know how to make links on this phone. Sue me. That stuff is all bits I've saved in my tinfoil, conspiracy nut folder. It's a subject that interests me. Why's a link so important, just copy and paste and look it up, it's pretty easy to trace this shit to its source.

[–]LackingAHeart 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't know how to make links on this phone.

Since you're supposedly so adept at looking things up on Google, maybe you should do the same with this.

That stuff is all bits I've saved in my tinfoil, conspiracy nut folder.

Seriously? You save quotes on your phone about this?

Why's a link so important,

Because it gives fuller context to the quote, as well as highlights what site is reporting on the article so you can immediately notate the likelihood of bias. Additionally, merely because people may have said something, does not mean they witnessed it firsthand. They may be repeating something that an unknown person told them or have heard about elsewhere potentially making the information circular anyway and ultimately all from one source.

just copy and paste

You mean like what you should do with the links for the quotes you provided?

and look it up

We've been through this before. You provided the quote, you provide the source. Not my job to support your case.

it's pretty easy to trace this shit to its source.

Then it should be pretty easy for you to provide the links to the sources you provided.

[–]-mArtiAn- -2ポイント-1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Should be easy, I know. Still don't see the importance though, I'm not quoting the source. Quotes like these are easily verified. You want to dismiss them without consideration, fine.

[–]LackingAHeart 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Still don't see the importance though, I'm not quoting the source.

Because it gives fuller context to the quote, as well as highlights what site is reporting on the article so you can immediately notate the likelihood of bias. Additionally, merely because people may have said something, does not mean they witnessed it firsthand. They may be repeating something that an unknown person told them or have heard about elsewhere potentially making the information circular anyway and ultimately all from one source.

Quotes like these are easily verified.

Then verify it. Show me links.

You want to dismiss them without consideration, fine.

I'm asking you to support your posts. Apparently, you are unable to do that. Speaks volumes about the credibility of either the quote or the source you used.

[–]-mArtiAn- -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Doesn't speak volumes about shit except I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THIS FUCKING PHONE. For example I've just tried to open the news page that president bloke wrote in. The page downloads (I didn't ask it to, I have four downloads of this same page now) but my phone opens on the last thing I clicked on. Like I said, sue me, I'm not good with tech. But the new article is easy to find.

[–]LackingAHeart 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

You don't even know how to operate your own phone and, while you can look up random quotes on the internet and store them in a folder on your phone, you don't know how to look up how to use your phone.

OK.......

[–]-mArtiAn- [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What the fuck has that got to do with anything?

[–]-mArtiAn- [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What are we talking about here, mate? The existence of molten steel at ground zero. I'm assuming you recognize the significance of that. Well, if you question it, copy and paste this passage and google it, it'll take you to the magazine article in which the president of the bla bla association clearly states that there was molten steel at ground zero.

James M. Williams, President, Structural Engineers Association of Utah, in SEAU News, Volume VI, Issue 11, October 2001

But if you're going to continually cite my inability to create links on a mobile telephone as reason not to consider the information I'm presenting, we really are done here.

[–]LackingAHeart [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But if you're going to continually cite my inability to create links

I'm going to continually cite your inability to support your statements with sources.