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[–]aidenr 1767ポイント1768ポイント  (297子コメント)

Aaron Swartz met BetterJosh wandering along a path, angry and alone. BetterJosh asked Aaron, "How should we defend the truth?"

Aaron replied quickly, "Preserve it carefully and share it without bias."

"Even the painful truths?"

"Especially those," said Saint Aaron.

"But shall we stop if the world turns on us?" plead BetterJosh, pain in his heart reflecting in his eyes.

Before he could answer, Aaron was whisked away in cuffs and never seen again. BetterJosh, enlightened, began to record the story.

[–]-ARETE-------------- 391ポイント392ポイント  (169子コメント)

Aaron Swartz, co-founder of Reddit, expressing his concerns for private companies censoring people in the future:

http://mic.com/articles/38635/aaron-swartz-interview-video-months-before-his-suicide-he-warned-corporations-could-censor-the-internet

Mocking our Chairman or making fat posts hit the front page is fun while the lulz last, but we need to think of something more long lasting. And effective. If the Reddit admins are willing to fuck over its userbase to get their hands on that sweet, sweet advertising revenue, well here's what we can do. Let's go after the Reddit sponsors. Make them know of the unhappiness and anger here. Make sure it becomes common knowledge that to advertise on this site is to get your name tainted in a never-ending series of memes and abuse. If the admins thought that their draconian censorship would make this site more packageable to the corporate sponsors, let's make them think again.

https://imgur.com/4pLoUoU

[–]_TunnelSnakes_Rule 220ポイント221ポイント x4 (149子コメント)

We need to get people to stop buying reddit gold. That's a small step but money talks.

Edit: My first gilded comment!I'm honored, reddit

[–]Westboro_Fag_Tits 183ポイント184ポイント x3 (77子コメント)

It really isn't a small step... it's rather large. On previous profiles, I probably purchased gold 50 times or so. I know I won't be buying anymore and neither will many other people moving forward. It's only like $4/unit, but if 100 frequent buyers decide to never buy it again, then that's $10000+ in lost revenue.

Going through posts over the last 24 hours, I've run into several comments that I would've gilded before just to show my strong agreement with what was said, but I will not financially support this site again. Between /r/TheFappening and FPH being banned, I really can't wait for a successor to take must of reddit's community away.

Edit: I'm not grateful for the gold, but I can appreciate quality trolling when I see it.

Edit 2: Yeah, fuck you too.

Edit 3: Fuck you as well.

[–]GoodGuyNixon 157ポイント158ポイント x2 (45子コメント)

Seriously. From what I understand, reddit actually makes more profit off of gold purchases than current advertising revenue. People underestimate how significant of an impact they can have by boycotting it.

(P.S. Nobody gild this comment. I'm not kidding around.)

[–]Sarcassafras 96ポイント97ポイント  (12子コメント)

you knew exactly what you were doing.

[–]generalCopper 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

You know, I think that some people are serious. They really don't want to be guilded. If I were guilded, would I be able to remove it? I would certainly hope so because this place makes me sick. Today, for the first time ever, I picked up my ipad and actually hesitated before hitting the reddit icon. It's really fucking sad just how much one person can destroy one great place. Not only that, half the userbase is so ignorant of the real problems with the banning that they just keep saying that "FPH was bad and I'm glad it's gone". They really have no clue what this whole situation has meant for reddit as a whole. Edit: After coming home all day, I see this. I'm not amused. People really just don't understand how much they are fucking themselves. Now that I have it, I'm going to see if it can get refunded somehow.

[–]SecondHarleqwin 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I suppose you could just delete the comment and then re-comment? The gold wouldn't show anymore, meaning the comedic effect of the gilding is gone - and that's all there is to it; it's a visual gag. You just re-enter your comment at the right place, and continue like it didn't happen.

Reddit still gets the money, sure, but if enough people act to kill it by removing gilded comments, there's no longer a motivation to actually buy gold except to give Reddit your money.

[–]Sarcassafras 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I definitely agree some people were serious, but the way that he piggy backed off the comment and basically recycled the identical message, along with his verbiage, screamed of a desperate attempt to come off sincere. this one way quite obviously hoping for gold.

[–]MrLancaster 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He sure did, the yuppie...

[–]BrokenHuman 69ポイント70ポイント  (19子コメント)

I think admins can give gold for free. But yeah.. Please stop buying gold for the regime.

[–]RagingOrangutan 22ポイント23ポイント  (9子コメント)

You all should start a sub-community in /r/lounge of people who were gilded despite their wishes.

[–]BrokenHuman 41ポイント42ポイント  (8子コメント)

Maybe I should make /r/GoldRaped

[–]cloud_strife_7 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I was just sitting there, talking about censorship when..."

sniffle

"they... GILDED me"

Sad face cry

"why me? I wasn't speaking provocatively or anything"

Edit: I'm so triggered right now

[–]theghostpepper 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let's see how long before that gets banned

[–]prillin101 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can you tell me what /r/lounge looks like during this crapfest? I'm curious.

[–]BrokenHuman 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a mod saying why he made private his subreddit and people complaing that the frontpage is worst than yesterday.

[–]SmilingButtHole 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Theres nothing there. Just ironic meta posts about how useless gold is.

[–]Lunaisbestpony42 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone gilded me for asking why someone gilded a comment completely unrelated to the conversation. I dont even use reddit gold.

[–]nahjil567 59ポイント60ポイント  (21子コメント)

While I'm torn on FPH being banned, being a self-loathing fat person myself, TheFappening was banned for good legal reasons. 99% of the content there was illegally obtained and in direct violation of the TOS. Reddit/Imgur could have been and probably was subjected to either a court order to remove the content and/or faced liability in a defamation of character lawsuit which damages could be somewhat mitigated by showing they took steps to remove the offending content in a timely manner. If you want that sort of thing head to 4chan that is where it originated anyway.

[–]flashvenom 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why not just ban offending users and delete specific posts? Deleting the whole sub ended ALL discussion, good and bad.

[–]jorge_the_awesome 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they tried that but didn't have the manpower to keep it up.

[–]IAmBecomeDeath_AMA 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if there was a reddit gold alternative that donated money to charities instead of reddit?

[–]KentWayne 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the SJWs are on a spending spree to try to offset the outrage around here. At least it shows how privileged they are to be able to spend so freely.

[–]Justkevin87 50ポイント51ポイント  (39子コメント)

Fuck the assholes who keep buying this shit ironically.

Edit: Really? 3 people? I hope you bought this before all this crap went down.

[–]butter14 53ポイント54ポイント  (19子コメント)

It's just people offloading the gold they already bought.

[–]randombitsofstars 48ポイント49ポイント  (17子コメント)

I hope so. That would be a good way to "get rid of it" so to speak.

[–]Nomicakes 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

I wasn't aware you could pre-buy Gold. Why would anyone do that?

[–]randombitsofstars 13ポイント14ポイント  (8子コメント)

That way if you see a really good comment you don't have to go through the hassle of buying, I guess.

[–]Psrjkt 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its cheaper.

$4 per month, or $30 per year (= $2.50 per month)

[–]lady__of__machinery 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is really fucking stupid. I almost feel like some admin is doing this to "show us". Or someone will call any "don't give me gold" comment as gold bait. If you want change and improvement, don't fucking buy gold and support the site.

[–]EllenPaoIsaGiantCUNT 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is actually a pretty big step and can help point things in the right direction.

[–]sprite_n_halo 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Dat username doe

[–]EllenPaoIsaGiantCUNT 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sssshhh, shhh, nobody is supposed to notice yet.

[–]sprite_n_halo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. Adopt shocking, apropos-for-the-times username

  2. Post a bunch of innocuous, somewhat-related comments on somewhat-related threads. Establish self.

  3. Make a one-off AMAZING comment on a very relevant thread, tearing down Ellen Pao and the establishment

  4. ???

  5. Profit

[–]Dalisword 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

We may lose the name Reddit but as long as there is a free internet, the ideas we have all come to call home here will live on. We will find another board service, they will never recover.

[–]btcxr 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Voat.co a reddit like site founded on such principles.

[–]SaffellBot 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Voat.co is also a really stupid name on an unknown top level domain.

[–]BetterJosh[S] 440ポイント441ポイント  (83子コメント)

This brought me to genuine tears.

I sincerely hope "Saint Aaron" lives on, in all of us.

[–]aidenr 121ポイント122ポイント  (48子コメント)

I couldn't think of a better way to beg you to stay. Better to be you, here, now than to wait to see a righteous world.

If you are resolute, I would accept the keys and the burden. But please stay. Write about censorship. Take on the giants.

[–]lamaksha77 101ポイント102ポイント  (45子コメント)

Write about censorship. Take on the giants.

It is not a matter of taking on the giants. To be frank, this is not a tide that can be turned.

The core userbase that Reddit caters to is shifting (or has mostly shifted) from the hacker-culture associated, tech-savvy group that used to dominate in the early days into the very mainstream userbase that comes here now to get its daily dose of news and entertainment that would have been provided by the TV and newspapers in earlier eras.

With that change in core users will be an inevitable change in the core values of the site. This is exactly what /u/betterjosh is writing about, and perfectly nails how I feel too. Similarly, to someone belonging to the latter group, us complaining about a few 'hate groups' being 'banned' would seem puzzling to them, or even distasteful.

The two groups cannot co-exist, and there is little point in fighting a losing battle. Clearly the admins are preparing for the mainstream to settle in, as it makes more financial sense. What next for us? Well that remains to be seen really...

[–]AldurinIronfist 52ポイント53ポイント  (7子コメント)

The core userbase that Reddit caters to is shifting (or has mostly shifted) from the hacker-culture associated, tech-savvy group that used to dominate in the early days into the very mainstream userbase that comes here now to get its daily dose of news and entertainment that would have been provided by the TV and newspapers in earlier eras.

You know what upsets me about this? You're right. This is what the management at the company that is Reddit use as justification for changing the site.

I'm a new user. I came here just over a year ago. You know why I came here? Because this place wasn't only catering to mainstream users. I did my research - I thought 4chan and Reddit were pretty much the same thing - and let me tell you, I made a conscious decision to start using this platform being well aware of the macabre, morbid, insane, psychopathic, and just plain weird subs it hosts.

I could have just as easily installed (I mostly only use the mobile app, that's how mainstream I am) the app for The Guardian, or The NY Times, a plethora of local Dutch news-apps, etc. In fact, I had many of them installed on my old phone, but when I got a new phone, I only needed Reddit. Why? Free user contribution. My local Dutch news platforms often can't even beat Reddit users to the scoop on LOCAL EVENTS. I would refresh some news apps and not see new content for an hour - this is not an issue on Reddit.

What is it about managers? What is it in the company executive/managing director/deskjockey/code-monkey/IT-supervisor's brains that makes the following sequence of events logical?

Man, this website we have here is doing pretty great. Oh look, Bill Murray just walked in the front door to talk to our users. "Hey, Bill! Can I get an autograph?!"

Man I can't believe I met Bill Murray today. What a great platform - all we have to do is maintain it and we're set for life. Yup. This is the life. kicks back chair and puts feet on desk

One year later.

Wow! The numbers for last year are in and we managed to get 2 million new subscribers! That's insane! We've become mainstream, who would have ever imagined?

Enter the braintwist:

Oh no! Now that all these "mainstream" users have come here of their own accord without us changing anything at all about our platform, how are we EVER going to make sure that we can attract a mainstream audience?! I KNOW! LET'S CHANGE EVERYTHING!

End scene.

Now, I just want to make sure at the end of this long rant that you do not mistake this post for a rethorical-question-cum-story; I am honestly asking you, begging you, to explain this lapse in the virtue of logic we all seem to hold so dear in life.

[–]hillsfar 39ポイント40ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh no! Now that all these "mainstream" users have come here of their own accord without us changing anything at all about our platform, how are we EVER going to make sure that we can attract a mainstream audience?! I KNOW! LET'S CHANGE EVERYTHING!

Pow! Right there. They justified their already-intended change on a small fraction of the users who self-selected to take a survey, amongst other things.

I left Digg. I am optimistic that there's something after Reddit.

[–]gamblingman2 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly I think it's being done to sanitize things to attract more mainstream advertising and more "sensitive" mainstream users who would be repulsed by some of the content reddit hosts.

[–]captainpixystick 65ポイント66ポイント  (19子コメント)

We leave to a reddit-like competitor who shares our original vision. Where the mainstream groups aren't coddled as they are here. You are correct, the two cultures can't coexist. One wants to allow speech, all speech, the other wants a safe space hug box.

[–]zephah 16ポイント17ポイント  (12子コメント)

And what is that competitor? With the current state of Reddit, voat would be nothing like the original days of reddit. When I first started browsing reddit you couldn't even make comments.

[–]butter14 15ポイント16ポイント  (8子コメント)

I foresee Voat having issues. It's constantly being hugged to death and there is only one person running it. They need access to better servers.

[–]zephah 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

And how do you get better servers? With money. How do you get the money? Donations or ad revenue. People flock to it, now we need more admins, more moderators, more celebrity attention, something to bring more users in.

[–]Riaayo 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

And it eventually becomes what Reddit is now. It's the same cycle. Things only stay homey when they aren't catering to thousands or millions of people. IE, when something becoems popular and mainstream it tends to go the same route every other mainstream thing has. It doesn't have to, but the way we glorify obscene income and lavish lifestyles, society tends to back up the degredation of a product in order for those selling it to make massive bank and then step off on their private island before the ship sinks on the horizon.

[–]141_1337 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

But us who leave know better, so we can mold it and shape it so that it doesn't happen again

[–]zefy_zef 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

A decentralized service would be nice.

[–]IVIaskerade 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

By the time Voat becomes a cash fow, another alternative will have sprung up, even better than Voat was, and we'll move to that. Perfection is impossible, but the iterative process of website design means that with each migration we get a bit closer.

[–]IVIaskerade 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, I reckon Voat could get some venture capital money relatively easily.

Proof of concept is there. Reddit's popularity shows its potential. All it needs to be a serious challenger is better servers and a couple more staff, and both of those are the sort of thing a cash injection from a finance firm could provide.

One good sales pitch and Voat could start really making progress.

[–]mindlesskindness 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that TrollxxRedit? I ask for Science.

[–]Westboro_Fag_Tits 42ポイント43ポイント  (11子コメント)

The two groups cannot co-exist, and there is little point in fighting a losing battle.

Except they can... nobody is forcing anyone to visit subs with content they dislike.

[–]lamaksha77 39ポイント40ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes, this is what the concept of subreddits was supposed to serve, but nobody seems to be buying this argument. And trust me, I've had this many, many times today (both on this account, and then an alt when this was shadowbanned for while).

And frankly I'm tired man. What I realize at the end of a long day is that Reddit has changed, the userbase has changed, and the core values have changed. Looking back, it didn't happen overnight, but I only came to that realization today.

[–]gamblingman2 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The subs I'm on are pretty much the same and haven't been affected by all this drama. I believe due in part to the majority of those members being working people who have no time for all this nonsense. Eventually the kids will move to the next popular site and things will get back to normal, that is unless reddit goes down in flames first.

[–]Westboro_Fag_Tits 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

It was obvious back when /r/TheFappening was banned. They had absolutely no leg to stand on and they were blasted for it. Like always though, people forgot and moved on.

[–]hello_dali 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

The two groups cannot co-exist, and there is little point in fighting a losing battle.

Believing that you've already lost just ensures that you do.

"To be nobody-but-yourself—in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else—means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can fight: and never stop fighting."
from "E. E. Cummings, a Miscellany"

[–]CyberBunnyHugger 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Newer users may be less geeky and more hurried - popping in for quick news updates - but that doesn't mean the whole ethos has changed to one of accepting selective censorship

[–]SmilingButtHole 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then what do you call what has happened yesterday and today?

[–]JoatMasterofNun 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reminds me of Niemoller's quote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

A relative aspect of how I perceive life, no life is perfect, but if everyone took the time to help just one other person if they have the ability, all lives would be closer to perfect.

[–]_crackling 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

I gotta agree with a lot of the sentiment here. I've never heard of you or koans before. But one thing is very clear: You are a champion of the real free world. You should not leave in protest but stay for the wisdom you obviously have to spread.

[–]Tsilent_Tsunami 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I sincerely hope "Saint Aaron" lives on, in all of us.

Even though he scammed his way into reddit founder status from the actual founders, then fucked off to Thailand because he "didn't feel like working any more"?

[–]PrivilegeCheckmate 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You tryin' to sneak a parable in on me, son? Because before Reddit, chopping wood and carrying water. After Reddit, chopping wood and carrying water.

[–]Abshole 4ポイント5ポイント  (13子コメント)

What made Aaron so great?

[–]aidenr 32ポイント33ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's a koan, not a paean. Don't miss the forest by staring at a tree.

Out of respect for you, I'll answer more directly:

I do not know what about being Aaron made him great, or what about being great made him Aaron, but he did what he thought was right to preserve an archive of knowledge and then he was gone. That is enough.

[–]Transputer 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

He actually did something to preseve freedom.

[–]motelcheeseburger 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

こちらむけ

我も寂しき

秋の暮

.

Autumn eve - please

turn to me

I, too, am a stranger

    -Matsuo Basho (1644-1694) 

[–]Kwerte 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love the way this sounds, but what the hell does it mean? Please enlighten a visitor from /r/bestof

[–]motelcheeseburger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i would hate to rob you of interpreting the work yourself, since i believe that is a large part of the admiration of these sorts of things. but since you asked, in my opinion, it is about how when we examine the beauty and profoundness of life all around us, we can look upon the greatest among us, whose grace and zen pale in comparison to that of nature, and realize that they are just as alone as we are, and in that estrangement there is comfort - that we together, are alone.

[–][deleted] 371ポイント372ポイント  (127子コメント)

You are scratching something that is itching me.

I feel that it does not apply only to reddit, and that something is happening on the internet.

As if a non stochastic trend is developping towards some sort of rejection of non conventionnal topics, and a de facto acceptation of others.

Maybe we see the end of internet as a place for free speech. Maybe it has something to do with the convergence of internet with the "real world". Maybe I just went to the internet to escape the crowd, and now that the crowd is there I still not like its way of trying to cast people's speech in restricted views they are comfortable with.

Maybe I am just crazy and all is fine... but even if I am crazy I thank you for making me think about what I am doing of my time. I probably have nothing to do here anymore myself.

Thanks for making me think.

[–]rwbj 100ポイント101ポイント  (12子コメント)

The internet's a big place.

I personally became somewhat dependent on Reddit. In my days before Reddit I had a lengthy list of bookmarks of sites I'd check for interesting stories. At first Reddit was just one of those many bookmarks. But as Reddit and its amount of content grew, it started going further up that list until ultimately it became the list itself. There was more than enough content on Reddit alone and visiting one site was easier than visiting dozens.

I imagine my story is probably fairly typical. And cast in this light Reddit starting to go censor heavy at the same time that much of the mainstream media is also starting to hop on the "feels before reals" bandwagon, it can seem like the whole internet is just collapsing.

But then I started going back to some of those old sites. And oddly enough not a whole heck of a lot had changed. Later on I also found voat.co, which ended up replacing Reddit in its entirety for me (although it's currently being hugged to death by the huge influx of traffic from reddit - which is why I'm here now) and it's like all the value for freedom of expression and inquisitiveness returned. Reddit's kind of like a black hole. Once you step into it all you can see is it and everything it absorbs. But in this black hole you're still free to step right on out, and realize the rest of the world isn't experiencing our little singularity. And that is incredibly refreshing.

[–]Nikoli_Delphinki 44ポイント45ポイント  (8子コメント)

I would give you gold but I'm protesting it. Got a charity I could send $4 to?

[–]rwbj 24ポイント25ポイント  (5子コメント)

I wish I knew more about charities than I do, but Child's Play seems like a stand up organization.

[–]atwork1 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have some left from when I bought it in a pack. I'll gild him for you.

[–]ShitArchonXPR 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

But in this black hole you're still free to step right on out, and realize the rest of the world isn't experiencing our little singularity. And that is incredibly refreshing.

This is a very good explanation of why browsing 8chan for the first time felt so free. Even if you compare it to the innocuous, low-censorship, nice and not sandy-vagina'd communities of Reddit--compare /furry/ to /r/furry.

[–]chickenhead101 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Couldn't agree more. Making the jump from 4chan to 8chan was awesome. It's just a shame that, right now, there isn't a 'Reddit-killer': voat.co still has a way to go.

[–]sprush215 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same, but I forgot my list. Post yours?

[–]TaiserLaser 410ポイント411ポイント  (41子コメント)

I got banned from 4chan from being racist

Do you know how fucking weird that is to type?

It wasn't even hostile, I just made a post on /v/ pretending to be a Jewish guy getting pissed off at DLC that costed $1.

Probably the only offensive sentence in the whole post was "Oy vey, it's like a second holocaust!"

And I got banned for it

On 4CHAN

[–]dusmeyedin 128ポイント129ポイント  (0子コメント)

Achievement unlocked: Goy veh!

[–]Torgard 65ポイント66ポイント  (12子コメント)

You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.

racism

While it's true that this rule wasn't really enforced a couple of years ago, racism has almost always just been responded to with >>>/b/

[–]Bradyhaha 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

And pol and int...

[–]The_McTasty 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm, was called a dirty sand nigger for being 1/4 middle eastern. /new/ was even worse before they removed it, every two posts there was one about the jews.

[–]ShitArchonXPR 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

At one point, Moot made a filter than changed instances of "peanut butter" to "nigger." SJWs don't do what they do out of principle; Zoe Quinn and Glorious Chairwomyn used to be known as misogynists.

[–]Torgard 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

Hahaha, yeah, I remember wordfilters.

Femanon would turn into cumdumpster. Pretty funny stuff.

[–]I_worship_odin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because the janitors are jews.

[–]mastersword130 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

/v/ is kinda filled with SJW now. Most of them migrated to 8chan.

[–]JackStargazer 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

If that's bannable, how in the hell does /pol/ even still exist?

[–]Flaktrack 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a containment board. Keep all the tinfoil in one place.

[–]midoBB 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

/b/ and to a lesser degree /pol/ and /int/ are tolerant of that stuff. I don't know about /v/ but on /p/ or any other board that I browse being racist isn't really welcome because it's not the topic.

[–]aflashyrhetoric 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got banned from /r/offmychest. The OP was writing about how he was being harassed because he was white - somebody had asserted that because he was white, he had a privileged childhood and shouldn't complain about things. He didn't seem to know that the term "SJW" exists, so I defined it as best I could. I got banned on the grounds of "SJW circle-jerking in a safe place." I still don't really understand what that means, haha.

[–]HungryLikeTheWolf99 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

We're all thinking a lot because of this. I just want to add that in history, new frontiers have typically been "wild and wooly". New, provocative, and often countercultural ideas have flourished in frontiers where people are very free.

However, eventually two things happen: First, more people arrive, which exacerbates social problems which were heretofore only minor issues, or which residents of the frontier have learned to cope with.

Second, the growing number of newcomers, who lack the spirit of the frontier and of freedom, want to enforce the status quo of whatever crappy place they left. So, they work to import the "sensibilities" which pervaded their past context.

I see this in the movement to the New World and to American Westward Expansion. Perhaps you can think of other historical examples of this pattern, but I think we're seeing the same thing on the internet, amplified here on Reddit. (If these types of frontier-sociological stories interest you, I will recommend Time Enough for Love by Robert Heinlein.)

One last thought: If anyone thinks that Reddit's administration team is the genesis of these new censoring practices, they haven't had much experience with corporate defense counsel. Those are the cover your ass attorneys, and you can bet that either they faced litigation over /r/fatpplhate or they wrote to Ellen et al in bold, capital letters that they absolutely must censor Reddit our they'd lose the whole shootin' match. Lawyers like to scare the holders of the purse strings about unlikely problems that involve lawyering to solve.

[–]soulstonedomg 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel that it does not apply only to reddit, and that something is happening on the internet.

It's more than reddit, and it's more than the internet. It's EVERYTHING now. America has become the epitome of emotional coddled wimps.

What happened to sticks and stones break my bones but words will never hurt? These days they have campaigns saying that words in fact DO hurt. We've transitioned from preaching to ignore your antagonist to pissing and moaning until they are forced to issue an apology and are silenced. Everyone's feelings are protected. Everyone gets a trophy.

We now live in a world where careers are ruined by social justice warrior outrage because somebody stepped on a PC landmine.

[–]fourleggedhippo 44ポイント45ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'm beginning to think the internet now is on a fork road. In the future, there will be the mainstream web and the dark web. Soon ISPs will only allow content from the mainstream. Think Great Firewall of China encompassing the whole world...

[–]rchase 39ポイント40ポイント  (7子コメント)

Bah. Death of Internet Predicted - News at 11!

First of all remember that the world wide web isn't "the internet."

Regardless, people have been saying this about the world wide web since 1991, about usenet before that since 1985, and BBSs long before that.

[–]rwbj 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Totally off topic, but you piqued my interest on the BBS thing. Can you elaborate? I don't ever recall any doom and gloom in the BBS scene. Obviously I wasn't everywhere but I was heavily involved locally and then nationally once telnet support became a thing. I recall nothing but optimism since it was pretty clear what it was all culminating in. I'm curious what you saw folks saying.

To some degree I miss the time as well since BBSs were completely decentralized. There wasn't really any such thing as "shutting them down." That'd require completely removing basic phone connections. I think the doom and gloom now a days is somewhat unjustified, but it's at least understandable.

[–]rchase 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

I guess it wasn't exactly the same as the doom and gloom one sees with "internet is dead..." but there was a period of time when BBS received an inordinate amount of Federal attention, and many many boards were shut down / confiscated. This was also just a whack-a-mole problem (for the Feds) and quickly corrected itself.

Probably even further off topic, but here's a really great read on the history of it all:

Bruce Sterling's The Hacker Crackdown

[–]rwbj 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Looks like a great read, thanks!

[–]rchase 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's fantastic if you have even a moderate interest in BBS culture. Sterling goes way in-depth and 1st hand interviews all of the major players. One of the finest pieces of pre-internet non-fiction journalism / history I've ever read. Well worth the time.

[–]cuddIefish 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bruce Sterling's The Hacker Crackdown

Interesting. Do they have it printed in book form?

[–]superPwnzorMegaMan 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

What you're seeing isn't necessarily a trend that's the end of all free speech on the internet, its a cultural trend that happens mostly in america. I think most dutch people don't give shit if you offend someone or not. In fact the argument that you are being offended is quite ridiculous, if you're being offended, then its your problem. not mine.

Also note that these kind of trends have a wave like property, first free speech is important to everyone, then people will bitch about security, then they realize they need free speech again. This is just how cultures change over time.

[–]verrukt 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wat? Didn't the Dutch order the prosecution of Geert Wilders? I'm not the /r/atheism type by any means but pretending the Dutch are any different or that this is just an American problem is flat out ignorant.

[–]dblmjr_loser 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for expressing what I'm feeling and observing. Several times today I've mentioned (in posts on random subs) what I call the new fisher price rubberized Internet. It truly produces a certain amount of anxiety. I'm almost 30 and I've had the Internet my entire life, it's been this way my entire life, it isn't theirs to change.

[–]JoelKizz 23ポイント24ポイント  (37子コメント)

As a society we have agreed that the health consequences of smoking outweigh the issue of "smoker freedom". If I argue I have a "right to smoke" in your favorite restaurant, you would find that laughable. If I was to exhale a single puff, I'd be tossed out on my ear (rightfully so). No one is arguing for "smoker acceptance". I'm not claiming that "real men have tar filled lungs". Anyone who did would be labeled insane.

I like most of what you said but this point about changes we have made regarding smoking laws is irrelevant. We've made changes to prevent one person's rights (the right to smoke) from infringing on the rights of others (the right to not smoke). If I go into a restaurant and there is a fat person eating a 3000 calorie lunch a table over, I doubt I'm going to have issues with second hand food flying into my mouth. We didn't ban smoking in public because of a lack of "smoker acceptance" we did it because it was infringing upon other people.

I guess I just do not see the connection between the first part of your paragraph and the last three sentences.

[–]movzx 9ポイント10ポイント  (19子コメント)

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

Exhibit C

Exhibit D

Pretending that obese people don't impact others is disingenuous. They harm their children. They literally take over space other people are occupying. They drain taxes. They drain healthcare resources. The world wasn't built for 400lb people.

For me the biggest problem these days isn't that fat people exist. It's that HAES is a thing. It's that people are trying to say a 300lb person is not unhealthy, and even is better than being a measly 175lb male. It's people like Tess getting acceptance for being actively and provably unhealthy. Sorry, but if you get winded taking some stairs that isn't being healthy. If someone drinks gasoline we go "Hey, that's not healthy man!" but if someone eats three Big Macs, a large fry, a shake, and some chicken nuggets for a single meal... That's acceptable?

[–]JoelKizz 18ポイント19ポイント  (13子コメント)

but if someone eats three Big Macs, a large fry, a shake, and some chicken nuggets for a single meal... That's acceptable?

as long as he doesn't shove it down my throat its acceptable to me, I don't give a damn what he eats. (or how fat he is)

[–]mananlak 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's acceptable, but it truly is unhealthy, while they can do it to themselves, the fact that their children might be raised to also have health problems is worrisome, not to mention that IT IS unnatural, the body cannot take that sort of strain. (Referring to heart problems)

(RIP Karma)

[–]ElizabethFamous 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

What about ugly people? They shouldn't have kids either. More ugliness.

What about angry asshats like you? No kids for you!

What about rapists and child molesters? Josh Duggar shouldn't be a dad.

What about bankers who ruin the lives of millions? Definitely shouldn't have the privilege of taking up space on the subway.

What about that overweight mom on the playground feeding one kid while carrying the other? We should definitely take away her kids because hateful douchebag above would do a better job raising them.

/sarcasm

[–]sacca7 57ポイント58ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks, BetterJosh. I agree fully with what you said. Btw, the people who didn't understand my purpose as a mod at /r/meditation are what drove me from that years ago. I got tired of people being offended with my suggestion that meditation on mary jane isn't going to give them the depth of insight that's needed to rise above limiting concepts of self.

I'm with you all the way. You've done a great job here and have done more for koans and to open people up to them than many, many in the world ever have. Thank you. More power to you.

[–]stayphrosty 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I haven't spent much time on /r/meditation, could you give me a tldr of what happened? it sounds like you felt persecuted because you disagree with using that substance while meditating. Is this true? I'm curious why you feel this way.

[–]sacca7 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was years ago, I think my post regarding book suggestions is still linked in the sidebar there from when I modded. I did a lot to help the sub get off the ground, or maybe I was in the right place at the right time. I was very involved.

I do disagree with confusing any substance use (that alters one's consciousness) with meditation. I feel this way because I've meditated decades (used drugs long ago). Drugs will hinder one's depth of meditation. Using drugs is using drugs. People who want/need to do so are fine. People who can get along without them will benefit from getting along without them.

Basically, the vehement disagreement with my experienced opinion wore me down. The practice of meditation is near and dear to my heart, my life. And for the people on mary jane arguing, again and again - so much for open mindedness that they say comes with smoking weed-- with me that smoking weed is meditating don't know what they are missing. And, remember, I have no problem with people smoking weed. That's fine. Just don't confuse getting high with being free.

Hope that helps.

edit: In the story, *To Kill a Mockingbird" the old lady is addicted to morphine and Jem has to read daily to her to help her get off the addiction, but Jem doesn't know why he's doing this. After she dies, Atticus tells Jem that he was helping her get free from morphine addiction. In essence here is a conversation about it:

Atticus said, "She wanted to die beholding to no one and no thing."

Jem says, "Did she die free?"

Atticus says, "As the mountain air."

That's how I feel I want to be when near death. Not beholding to any drug, no one, no thing.

[–]stayphrosty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

awesome! thank you for the detailed reply. I, also, have experienced frustration dealing with people who feel that smoking weed literally makes everything better and cannot be critically examined. I'm pretty interested in making use of different psychoactive chemicals to expand my horizons, but I've also been trying to regularly set aside time to focus on my (sober) self. It can be really hard when a lot of these discussions must be centralized around personal, anecdotal experience. Even still, I find it really exhilarating to learn to understand peoples' very different perspectives from my own. Again, thank you for helping me understand.

[–]danimalod 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

this will be the last you hear from me

Proceeds to write an edit 3x as long as the original post.

[–]dfpoetry 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Remember when FPH was all, "you can't post here if you're a fat sympathizer, or are fat"? Why is there so much sympathy from anti-censorship groups for a group essentially built on censorship? You're all being reactionary.

[–]GetOffMyLawn_ 68ポイント69ポイント  (25子コメント)

There's always voat.co. Almost a clone of reddit. Right now it's swamped with traffic.

[–]rchase 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

I only learned about voat about a month ago. It's nascent, but man they must be feeling something resembling a hyperspace jump over there in the last 24 hours or so.

[–]phamily_man 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's Digg all over again. To voat it is

[–]rchase 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah well, when they (he) gets it co-lo'd and rebooted maybe. From what I understand, it's like a dude with one machine.

[–]u-void 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Coding in his spare time between classes.

[–]neuroSplicer 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I make an account on voat and migrate then I have come full circle from the Digg v4 cataclysm.

I will probably get shadowbanned for posting this during non-participation mode. Go fuck yourself reddit. And if reddit goes down I really only feel sorry for the RES team :(

[–]pyx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah RES people will just migrate to voat and we will have VES. The code is basically identical, just have to change some r's to v's.

[–]hobbycollector 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have to guess they are over there furiously buying servers.

[–]cardevitoraphicticia 20ポイント21ポイント  (12子コメント)

This comment has been overwritten by a script as I have abandoned my Reddit account and moved to voat.co.

If you would like to do the same, install TamperMonkey for Chrome, or GreaseMonkey for Firefox, and install this script. If you are using Internet Explorer, you should probably stay here on Reddit where it is safe.

Then simply click on your username at the top right of Reddit, click on comments, and hit the new OVERWRITE button at the top of the page. You may need to scroll down to multiple comment pages if you have commented a lot.

[–]mHtt 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ya he'd love voat

[–]kingarthurbkr 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there an app of voat.co?

[–]Hammerhart 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not an offical one, but I believe there is one for android.

[–]twistedcain 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

I literally joined reddit 8 years ago when Digg was banning people who posted the HD-DVD code. Reddit didn't, so...

[–]FriarZero 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are woefully misusing "defend to the death your right to say it". The hateful toxic exclusionary people of FPH can still say whatever they want. Their capacity for expression has not been curtailed. They can go on sites like 4chan or twitter and keep saying those things.

To imply otherwise is to defend absolute "free" speech in all contexts regardless of all other factors. To do so is to imply that Nazis should be allowed to shout anti-Semitic slurs in a synagogue or that a christian missionary should be allowed to walk into a Buddhist monastery and beginning condemning the monks to hellfire.

Without the right of communities to police their own membership there is no freedom of association. Not just legally but culturally. In order for any group to be able to come together and discuss things germane to their interests they have to be able to say, "you are being disruptive, please leave". To insist otherwise is to claim that every person has a right to the time and and interpersonal space of everyone else.

The right of free speech is a right to speak, not a right to be heard. No one has curtailed FPH right to speak, just their right to be heard on Reddit. This is to say nothing of the concept of hate speech or what it implies both culturally and legally.

[–]sillymod 30ポイント31ポイント  (32子コメント)

Hi BetterJosh. I share your sentiment, and I think that you have written a very eloquent argument/description of the concerns many of us share.

I am also concerned that so many people on Reddit are taking the opposing opinion - that "freedom of speech" only applies to the government, and that speech is not protected on private forums, etc. While this is technically true, many people of the world - not just the US - have taken to the belief that freedom from censorship is a quality that should be applied by all authority as a symbol of the authority's strength against criticism.

So while they are technically correct that people do not have a fundamental freedom of speech on Reddit, the actions of selective censorship indicate that those in authority seek to control, rather than act benevolently.

[–]StealthTomato 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

For some reason, people seem to extend "freedom of speech" to absurd levels. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want. It means you can hold any opinion you want, and share any opinion you want. It ends when you leave the realm of opinions.

Slander is illegal. Inciting a panic or riot is illegal. Threatening bodily harm is illegal. Psychological abuse is illegal. What do these things have in common? They are speech, but they are not opinions.

You're allowed to have your opinions, which is why nobody has deleted this post or banned you for it. But a community that fosters harassment and abuse goes beyond the bounds of freedom of speech. You have freedom to hate, not to abuse.

[–]sillymod 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fostering harassment and abuse is just an excuse that was used. The fact that so many other subs that are notorious for harassment and abuse still exist (SRS for example), but are on more palatable topics to the admins, suggests that it was the topic that was the deciding factor for the ban.

This is the kind of behaviour that people of colour have experienced for years. Police claim that they are only arresting those who commit crimes, but they spend a disproportionate amount of time focusing their efforts towards a certain demographic, and often will arrest people and then search for a reason afterwards.

So while you aren't technically wrong, you are giving in to your own bias about the topics addressed to gloss over the fact that the selection process is discriminatory based on ideas/opinions (as opposed to race). Thus, this is an attack on those ideas/opinions, rather than an effort to truly eliminate abuse.

[–]Cauca 101ポイント102ポイント x2 (144子コメント)

I think you didn't really take into account the part where they said they were banning harassment actions, not ideas. As far as I can see from other comments, you are likely missing information on “the truth" behind the banning of FPH.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_subreddits/cs2a7qu?context=1

[–]Khaze 67ポイント68ポイント  (95子コメント)

Right. Op is so brazenly melodramatic it hurts me. That being said, I had never heard of koans and now I have, so there's a plus.

[–]TheCopyPasteLife 29ポイント30ポイント  (58子コメント)

Its not the fact that they ban FPH, but the fact that they banned FPH2...3...4

If they are really banning on harassment, why are they banning subs that have done nothing yet?

[–]thecommentisbelow 9ポイント10ポイント  (9子コメント)

Are you really gonna sit there and tell me it wasn't a reasonable prediction that fatpeoplehate2-100 wouldn't do the same thing as fatpeoplehate?

[–]u-void 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It doesn't need to be, it has the same name and people involved. Having your sub banned doesn't mean "go start a new one", it means "you're toast, give it up."

[–]MadAce 48ポイント49ポイント  (30子コメント)

Ban evasion.

[–]I_worship_odin 31ポイント32ポイント  (22子コメント)

So you are banning an idea then. If you make another subreddit dedicated to fat people then it will be banned as well. They are banning ideas not harassment.

[–]PanzerVI 20ポイント21ポイント  (10子コメント)

no you are not in this case. this is just ban evasion pure and simple. if you try to resist arrest after committing a crime, you can be arrested and charged for that as well as the original crime. it's the same thing here. assuming fph did something that is worthy of being banned, then they are being "arrested" (banned) for this. however, by trying to continue on as nothing happened, they are resisting this "arrest" which in and of itself is a crime and is worthy of arrest as well.

[–]I_worship_odin 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was removed for harassment. Banning fatpeoplehate2 through 9000 is fine because that is ban evasion. Banning other subreddits related to fat people is not banning them for ban evasion. It's banning them for being about fat people. Once you put a blanket ban on making subreddits about fat people you are banning the idea and it's not about harassment anymore.

[–]PanzerVI 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

sure, my argument only covered all the subreddits that spawned off fph and the others banned. if they ban /r/fatlogic for instance, then it's banning the idea.

[–]IanPPK 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

They also banned /r/neofag, a neogaf related sub, and kept SRS up, which has been known to harass and brigade, and has a former admin as a mod.

[–]gellis12 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lets not forget the time one of the mods from /r/againstmensrights doxxed an innocent dude because he made some joke comments, tried to get him fired from his real life job, tried to get him arrested, and told all of his family and friends that he was a rapist.

Both he and the girl who was supposed to have been raped chimed in and said the mod was full of shit and that nobody was ever raped, and did that stop her? NOPE! She just deleted the comments that proved she had fucked up, and just kept on spouting her bullshit about him being an evil rapist. It took over half a year for her to finally get banned, and she remained a mod of AMR until the end.

That's gotta be one of the most infamous doxxing cases that ever happened on reddit, and that cesspool of a subreddit still gets to live...

[–]u-void 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you have a scrap of proof for your story? It sounds interesting, I'd love to read it.

Also:

That's gotta be one of the most infamous doxxing cases that ever happened on reddit, and that cesspool of a subreddit still gets to live...

Yeah, who ever heard of violentacrerz anyways

[–]NBegovich 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been banned from SRS and have no live for them, but they really don't brigade. I remember as far back as two years ago that they had strict guidelines about that sort of thing. People keep comparing them to FPH but they're really not the same.

[–]PaintAnything 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

"This entire 'victim culture' is absolutely poisonous and it does nothing but further victimize those it intends to help."

THIS.

[–]Bradyhaha 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did someone seriously just give him gold? triggered

You will be missed, man. So long and thanks for all the fish.

[–]pr0llytr0lling 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's interesting that you say you're resigning as a mod, yet you're still listed as a mod.

E: 18 hours after posting his resignation and he's still a mod. Hmm...

[–]Benjaphar 64ポイント65ポイント  (74子コメント)

Reddit is filled- FILLED- with ridiculous, offense subreddits... a policy of selective censorship- where some offensive things are removed, and other offensive things... are allowed to fester.

The subreddits weren't banned for being offensive. The admins very clearly explained that those subs were banned because they participated in harassment and doxxing and the mods either failed to discourage it or actively promoted it.

[–]ahmfaegovan 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then why did neogafinaction get banned? They didn't take part in any witch hunting.

[–]Dyr0nejk2 74ポイント75ポイント  (57子コメント)

There was no doxxing. The straw that broke the camels back was when FPH took imgur's staff photos (from imgur website) and put them on their sidebar. People will also add that they did it to the dog. In regards to the imgur dog the only response was sympathy for a neglected and over weight dog.

[–]Sasukefan99 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

By that logic, why does SRS still exist? They don't use np.reddit links, do not warn against brigading or doxxing, and countless times have failed to ban user who violate Reddit's rules.

[–]jasonallen19 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then why are any new subs related to fat people being banned too?

It's censorship. Don't believe their reasons 'why'.

[–]link5057 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Their reason is "ban evasion" lol

[–]dragon_nipples 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

certain well known sub is brigading this post right now, hilarious.

Reddit is planning to ban more subs.

In response to an inquiry from BuzzFeed News about the negative response from users, a Reddit representative said, “We did this incrementally so we could manage the response with our limited resources.”

its the end folks

[–]revanchisto 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well...bye.

[–]RainbowCatastrophe 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you speak of your philosophical values of free speech, you seem to confuse what the general populous is allowed to do and what the general populous should do.

When a congregation is formed, it is meant to act as a place of conversation. If someone embraces or rejects something, a debate on the topic is reasonable. What is not reasonable is the blatant use of the community to spread hatred without proper reason.

If I came into this sub and said "Zen is a practice for worthless faggots with major insecurities, who are too autistic to get over it and man the fuck up", that is blatant hatred with no proper reasoning. Yet if I were to say "I don't get why you need Zen, I almost feel it's for those who are insecure", that is a debate. I should be allowed to debate my topic, not spread blatant hatred of it. This is not a matter of free speech, it's a matter of users not knowing how to act civil within a community. And I don't care if "this is the internet". If you want a place to be an asshole without consequences, you have 4chan for that. reddit was meant to be, as OP has stated, a place of meaningful discussion and creative content. If you have a problem with that then you may as well delete your account.

[–]sternje 24ポイント25ポイント  (20子コメント)

I think you just summed it all up for hundreds of thousands of users. Well said.

[–]Sputnik420 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well shit. I respect your choice but ask you please wait a while first?

ANyway, us rats just cling to the debris after the storm, trying not to drown.

[–]sfacets 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously. Who the hell is gifting gold to OP? Do you not get the irony?

[–]dragoninjasasin 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't understand why people are throwing such a fit over a subreddit made for the sole reason of bullying fat people. Like are you all really so passionate about your hatred for fat people that you cannot use a site that doesn't condone your hatred?

[–]u-void 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're a moron, and reddit is no pro-censorship. They deleted some subs (like they said they would) for breaking rules outside of their sub (like they said they would), they don't care about the content of the sub at all.

It could easily have been /r/PicturesOfCats that was causing problems outside of their reddit, they would have been banned too.

All you've shown is that you don't know how to read and are easily influenced by the vocal minority.

[–]beavissimpson 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not illegal to produce a tshirt with Mickey Mouse on it. It would be illegal to produce and sell that tshirt.

[–]portuga 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but does a dog have buddha nature or not?

[–]hyperbolicants 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Annoying that the first I ever heard of /u/BetterJosh were his words of exit. He may have just made me a slightly better hyperbolicants however.

Respect to you, Josh. Hope the balance continues to rock, brother.

[–]TBBT-Joel 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Extremely dramatic reaction to a very sensible policy, brigading and bullying don't strengthen reddit as a platform and moderators were actively violating TOS and rules of the platform.

It's not selective enforcement there are tens of thousands of subs, some hateful but it probably takes active complaints and flagrant rule breaking to start a crack down.

I can't believe how people are somehow upset that hate groups are being banned.

[–]noumenonimouse 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you. There are few on reddit who have as little to be ashamed of. Your reasons are sound, I cant' argue. I find it interesting watching /r/zen slowly sink into the mud. Good luck. You will be missed, but then....

[–]kleinergruenerkaktus 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.

I really appreciated the content you brought to this sub, I've been a long-time subscriber and liked to read it then and again. Seeing you defend hate under the guise of health awareness is unfortunate. Good luck becoming a better Josh.

[–]DickWhiskey 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stultus quoque, si tacuerit, sapiens reputabitur.

[–]bastardblaster 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

The path of dialogue could have reigned in any bad behavior done by /r/fatpeoplehate. They were brigaded by imgur, and responded in kind. There were no warnings. Just a ban of a 150,000 person sub, complete with a ban of all moderators. There was obviously no thought given to the repercussions of these actions. Escalation met with more escalation only results in war.

And war they got.

I am only a bystander collecting facts so please do no assume I favor either side. I watched this objectively from the start. I was a subscriber to fatpeoplehate as it was a place for some to vent. People saw it in varying degrees. Some really deep down hated fat people's lack of self control. People like me felt bad but ultimately were a little angry at the toll they take on society. But scattering 150,000 people and expecting it to just blow over is absurd.

Even fat people were defending FPH in the announcement thread. If that doesn't give you an idea who is in the wrong, then you must be blind.

People talk about free speech and it's implications. I know reddit is not part of the government and is not obligated to ensure free speech, but it was founded on that principle, and robbing people of a place to vent goes against that. People mention digg, and may be right. This might not be the definitive death of reddit, but it is not a step towards the future, that's for sure.

In the end, we'll see if the people buying so much gold outlast the people leaving, both users and advertisers. That will determine the financial outcome of reddit, which nobody can deny.

Fuck I need a beer.

[–]omgitsbigbear 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

Isn't it disingenuous to first claim to be an objective bystander and then admit to being a participant in one of the affected communities, even if your participation consisted solely of "I guess I kinda like watching these folks hate on fat people"?

Your points are fine and valid and you don't need to claim a false level of objectivity to feel them.

[–]danwin 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your points are fine and valid and you don't need to claim a false level of objectivity to feel them.

Thanks for calling out an all-too-common rhetorical technique.

[–]omgitsbigbear 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks. I am sad that this drama has spilled over into /r/koans. I am even sadder that, with it here, we are engaging it with sophistry.