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META[Meta] Reminder: We are not /r/FatPeopleHate (self.KotakuInAction)

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I'd like to remind anyone new that we are not FPH nor do we necessarily approve of their ideals or behavior.

A lot of people seems to have the idea that we're partnered with FPH or approve of what they stood for, but these people fail to understand that you can still defend the rights of people you disagree with, or as the quote goes, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Anyone from the banned subreddits are more than welcomed here if they follow our subreddit rules, but we're not going to turn into fat hating sub anytime soon.

This subreddit is currently invested in the affair of the banned subreddits for the possibility that they were banned for just being offensive despite staying in the rules parameters, thus censorship. We think people should be allowed to express themselves as long as they follow the rules of their platform, even if their expression if offensive to many. Reddit made a promise to us that it was a free speech platform, we want to hold them to that. We're also upset at the lack of communication from the reddit admins, if the subreddits in question did actually break a rule we've yet to have any official confirmation or explanation.

This subreddit isn't about hating fat people, it's not about hating or harassing women or about harassment or brigading of any kind, it's about the ethical failings, censorship and corruption in media and in particular games media. This subreddit isn't a reddit revolt subreddit, and if you've come here thinking it is you'll be surely disappointed.

If you want to know what this subreddit is actually about read about it on the sidebar, we have a long (long in Internet time) history worth reading up on. This subreddit has only had a reddit focus over the last few days because the issues happening right now are close to home, what with us unfairly being labeled a harassment group by media and have always been on the subreddit banning chopping block.

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[–]caz- 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not surprised that some people might be getting the wrong impression lately with the number of threads we've had about the topic, which also happen to mostly be the ones reaching r/all.

[–]vonmonologue 584ポイント585ポイント  (139子コメント)

As much as I enjoy lulz, FPH was too much hate and not enough lulz.

But you don't destroy communities just because you don't want to be a part of them personally.

[–]ICantReadThis 93ポイント94ポイント  (27子コメント)

I'm far more of a Fatlogic 'n FatPeopleMotivation guy, myself. I'll attack shitty ideas but not people, and if I can help pull someone out of that self-deprecating hell-hole, I will.

[–]El_Dud3r1n0 47ポイント48ポイント  (25子コメント)

And thank you for that. Really. Speaking as a big dude, HAES has done far more harm than good. All it has accomplished is undermine those of us actually trying to break the cycle looking for positive change for ourselves. But, as seems to be the trend these days, leave it to the SJW types to co-opt an idea and turn it into a frankensteined mockery of itself. And for what? Just to force their neurotic hugbox paradigm on everyone else to avoid confronting the real source of their problems.

People like to focus on FPH's role in all this, but fail to realize they were a reaction to a special kind of self-destructive crazy, not the cause. In the end say what you will about FPH, those motherfuckers were nothing if not motivational.

[–]RedStarDawn 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only reason I was attracted to FPH was the anti-HAES/FA attitudes since that is what actually bothers me.

[–]wolfgirlnaya 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

leave it to the SJW types to co-opt an idea and turn it into a frankensteined mockery of itself.

This is pretty much it. It's nice to have a place to circlejerk about your unpopular (or unexpressed) opinion, but mainly, it's delusion. I'll admit, it's a cruel and hateful way to combat delusion. But I joined the sub because I realized that there are actually people in the world who think that being fat is healthy or even healthier than being thin. That repulses me far more than anything a body could carry. I realized that, more than 99.9% of the time, people are in control of their weight. They may be a bit over or under based on metabolism and medical issues, but that bit of weight doesn't explain why they're too heavy to walk. People actually believe, while carrying around an extra 200 lbs of fat, that their joint issues have nothing to do with their weight. I can't fathom it. And the one thing I really, truly can't fathom, is when fat people claim that it's not fat. "It's muscle." "I'm big-boned." "This is my natural size." Completely delusional.

I mocked every fat person that was posted in that sub because I'm against hug-boxes and I'm against delusion and ignorance. I don't necessarily hate a person because they're fat. I hate, hate, HATE that they allow themselves to get that way, convince themselves that they're fine, and try to convince others of the same. It's disgusting. That's why Tess was our main target. Propagating that kind of delusion is harmful. What I want to see is someone fat become famous because of their abilities, then lose weight until they're healthy. I want to see them stand proudly after that transformation. That would be a role model. Not Tess.

[–]BoltbeamStarmie 3ポイント4ポイント  (21子コメント)

What's "HAES"?

[–]El_Dud3r1n0 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_at_Every_Size

[–]CaptainObivous 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Health at every size"

[–]pigeonburger 4ポイント5ポイント  (18子コメント)

Healthy At Every Size

[–]thisisnewt 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's not true.

HAES is Health At Every Size.

HAES is a movement about making health the goal, not weight loss.

That'd been misconstrued by a lot of people in a lot of places.

[–]celestial1 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for saying this; I never knew it was actually health, not healthy. That changes a lot for me. I need to start researching things more instead of letting people force feed me misinformation.

[–]thisisnewt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I need to start researching things more instead of letting people force feed me misinformation.

That is absolutely one of the best things you can do for yourself.

[–]RedStarDawn 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

HAES was a good idea, to focus on health, but it was perverted by FA unfortunately.

[–]BoltbeamStarmie 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

thx

[–]ICantReadThis 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

The sad thing is, HAES would have more more sense at Healthier At Every Size. e.g. don't take your size as an excuse not to improve yourself. Now it means, "anyone can be healthy!", followed by "fuck your health science, visceral fat complications are a myth!". Combine it with the "starvation mode" myth and you have the core tentpoles of FatLogic.

[–]thisisnewt 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

That's basically what it actually is. The acronym is "Health At Every Size", not "Healthy".

From their website:

It supports people of all sizes in addressing health directly by adopting healthy behaviors.

It's not the idea that people are healthy no matter how overweight they are, and it never has been.

[–]hanar_spectre 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Unfortunately, most people see only the you can be fat and healthy definition that's thrown around. When really it's being healthy without weight loss as the primary goal.

[–]Derpsti 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

When really it's being healthy without weight loss as the primary goal.

Okay, but how does that work though?

As a fat person I know that being fat in and of itself is a major health risk. It isn't and will never be healthy and everyone should be aware and informed of that and not fed lies about how they can be healthy if they weigh 200 kilos. It's also a major penalty in many social situations, the "fat acceptance" movement is a joke and a good way to an early grave: http://www.helpguide.org/images/harvard/weight-health-problems.jpg

You also start breaking into a sweat easy, are getting tired from simple tasks like climbing a few steps on a stair, are disadvantaged at many outdoor activities like hiking or mountain climbing etc.

I might choose to ignore those risks because I'm too lazy to exercise or too preoccupied with other things, but that doesn't change the basic facts.

Instead of teaching people that being overweight isn't healthy and should be worked against under any circumstance, best from an early age they are reassuring and encouraging fat people instead, leading to hilarious results like this TV show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mMpE8AaA0

http://i.imgur.com/bOmBCJC.jpg

[–]thisisnewt 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right.

Typically, someone trying to get in better shape is going to focus on weight. So they'll cut calories, try dangerous fad diets, starve themselves and then binge in a moment of weakness, revert to unhealthy behavior once a goal is reached, etc.

HAES is the idea that people should stop worrying about their weight and just worry about doing healthy things one day at a time, whether you're obese, skinny fat, or any other body type.

[–]lmdrasil 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was there in the early days when there was drama in fatlogic and fatpeoplestories. The SJW shills decided they wanted to ban what was labeled as "inflammatory language" and so FPH was born.

Even I thought the word hate was a bit extreme, but I soon realised it was just a word and the dank memes were too hilarious to withstand just becasue of a word.

[–]LamaofTrauma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fatlogic be my home away from home. A lot of hilarity, AND we support fatties losing weight instead of just mocking them for existing. We just mock the shit out of the stupid things they say like "I only ate 500 calories a day for two months and I gained twenty pounds! STARVATION MODE!"

I'm glad we got shit like Fatlogic to counter all that HAES bullshit.

[–]rgamesgotmebanned 199ポイント200ポイント  (94子コメント)

From my experience FPH was 90% inside jokes, shitposting and dank memes.

The only reason I went there is, because people wouldn't stop telling me how bad and evil they were, and when I finally had a look for myself it was just a mix of /r/cringe, and /r/circlejerk about fat people and HAES etc.

Edit: And let's not forget the many people who I've seen now, saying that the sub helped them tremendously, because it was the first time they were ripped out of their bubble of family/friends and [parts of] the internet telling them everything was fine etc. They said they went from extreme anger and denial to finally looking at themselves clearly.

Of course I don't know whether that is or was true and I have never been overweight in my life, so I can't really understand what it's like to struggle with eating (and I'd guess it's different for everyone), but it makes sense to me, when I compare it with other personal issues I have had in the past.

[–]TheOnlyOtherRedditor 55ポイント56ポイント  (69子コメント)

Exactly, here's a comment by /u/minerlj explaining what FPH actually did to get banned why it's worrying.

[–]LeyonLecoq 156ポイント157ポイント  (56子コメント)

Rather than have a conversation about it in a mature manner, the /r/fatpeoplehate/ mods thought it would be funny to ban the reddit admin from /r/fatpeoplehate/

To be fair, that is pretty fucking funny.

[–]SJW_Math 97ポイント98ポイント  (38子コメント)

It wasn't actually a reddit admin, it was the CEO of imgur

[–]rgamesgotmebanned 75ポイント76ポイント  (36子コメント)

Which is really what it boils down to.

Banning the people you are mocking, when they want to have a discussion, or at least defend themselves, is a dick move.

But it's funny as hell and if we have learned one thing about these people, be it NeoGAF, Polytaku, Sarkeesian or reddit admins - it's that they can't take being the butt of a joke.

And that is why I think we have an edge. We are funny. It doesn't matter whether you are on TiA/KiA or 8chan. There will always be a few shitposts and jokes to make you laugh. You can't do that as an SJW, because humor is almost always depricating someone or something, and that's taboo, because it's racist, sexist, ableist or whatever. Except of course, when it's a white cis male. But then they are so bitter about it any attempt at comedy fails.

Humor has always been one of the most effective weapons against both authority and authoritarianism, because acting against it is a sign of weakness. When someone is making fun of you, the only two options you have to save face are to a) ignore it or b) join in and show some humility, both of which they are incapable of, because they are the literal messiah.

Not as in son of god, but as in nigh perfect revolutionary who knows what a better world looks like and will be leading us towards it. They are right. So making fun of them, is critising them, is directly opposing their ideology and their vision off a better world.

TLDR; They are selfrighteous and egocentrical fucks who can't take a joke, because they are the saviours of humanity and thus not to be critised.

[–]Izenhart 35ポイント36ポイント  (23子コメント)

Banning the people you are mocking, when they want to have a discussion

Discussion?

"we will arbitrarily remove all of your content from our site and we will also forbid you to post a PUBLIC IMAGE OF OUR FACES on your community because we don't like it" is a discussion?

[–]Cataphract1014 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

From what I understood was they were publishing the pictures and people were reporting them.

You can host whatever on imgur, but if you hit the publish button it is subject to their rules.

[–]rgamesgotmebanned 15ポイント16ポイント  (12子コメント)

We already established it wasn't a reddit admin, but imugr people. And yes. he/she wanted discussion. Doesn't mean he didn't change his mind or maybe someone else didn't want discourse to begin with, but that doesn't change the fact that someone who was being derided wanted to talk about it.

Banning him isn't the worst thing in the world, but it's a dick move nonetheless and I don't know why you are trying to portray it like the morally superior action by creating the ridiculous strawman/red herring.

[–]Thanatar18 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Agreed, in this context I can actually understand why FPH was banned, because they continued posting the image of someone who knew and complained about it..

My real question that still remains has to do with /r/NeogafInAction. What did they do? Why were they banned? Was there even any justifiable reason to ban them?

I admittedly never went there nor heard of the subreddit or Neogaf before, so I've not the slightest idea. But knowing a general idea of what they were about, I think some answers are due.

[–]ChooChoo_ImA_Hobo 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are no rights here, only community rules, perception and opinions. It shouldn't matter if some one wants to have a discussion whether over some one posting a photo or whether the sky is blue because ocean.

First, let's start with the obvious if you have a photo up on the internet and some one saves it and reposts it, GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER. It's like going to a hurricane and politely asking it to go away, it's a force of nature.

Second, How many people do you think have been made fun of on imgur? For how many reasons? How many of them do you think even were aware of it? This person from how it seems was imgur staff, saw he was being made fun of, banned them, they took the fun to FPH, he complained and they got banned. By that logic any one that uses a meme should be banned, regardless of any variable reason.

Third, he fueled the fire and that fire lead back to a 55gallon drum full of half/half hornets/tnt and sat on it, reddit lit the fuse and here we are.

Every thing went exactly as expected thus far.

In a week will any one even care or is this just fucking water cooler talk and it's all fucking stupid pointless internet bullshit.

In the end Reddit picked a fight with a troll army and it has been hilarious.

[–]rgamesgotmebanned 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you're misreading what I'm saying. I don't agree with the ban of FPH at all.

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      [–]Adam_OMG 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Let's be honest though. Fph WASN'T a discussion. They would ban anyone who didn't circle jerk about how disgusting fat people are. I saw a guy get banned for implying that a fat person was a human being.

      I think the free speech argument is pretty hollow considering how anti free speech fph was. Why should the people who figuratively own the platform have more of a right to censor than the people who literally own it?

      [–]codyave 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

      It's their sub, they could ban /u/PresidentObama if they wanted. It'd be immature and kinda funny, but it wouldn't be against reddit's rules.

      [–]Adam_OMG 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I guess I just don't understand why the figurative owner has the authority to ban, but the literal owners don't. According to the admins, they broke the rules.

      [–]Agkistro13 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, a circlejerk. Just like HOW many subreddits? "Discuss GamerGate, but if you say anything in favor of it BANNED. Discuss Feminism but if we get the idea you aren't a feminist BANNED. Feel free to discussing the moral issues surrounding homosexuality as long as you don't claim there are moral issues with homosexuality or else BANNED.

      "Here we discuss how one side of an issue is the correct one and outlaw any defense of the other side" is how practically every SJW community works. So yeah, it comes down to being able to dish it out and not take it.

      Makes me wonder how many subreddits there are each treating white people, cis people, religious people, rural people, Americans, or whomever just as bad as FPH treated fat people, and with just as little room for dissent, but ah, of course, those groups are approved to trash.

      [–]lmdrasil 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Read their ama on /r/casualiama no one is seriously arguing about muh freedums.

      Besides fat sympathy wasn't allowed, it was a rule and yiu were reminded of it everytime you were about to reply. I think it said something like:

      Remember saying things like, "she could be so pretty if she lost some weight" builds hamconfidence.

      Common pronouns used for fatties were: it, the thing, the obeast, landwhale, walrus etc.

      He was simply banning according to the rules, something the mods were ruthless about regarding every rule.

      If Mr.CEO wanted to have a discussion on their sub he should have read the rules and not broken them.

      FPH was not a plattform for discussing obesity it was there to laugh at fat fucks.

      Simple as that really.

      [–]dragon_nipples 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      forgetting hamplanet, manatee, and some other hilarious ones. They were very creative.

      [–]thisisnewt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The images weren't removed from imgur, they were removed from the social media part of imgur. You can still host the images there.

      [–]Bubos 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Banning the people you are mocking

      By my scientific estimation at LEAST half of reddit needs to be shut down immediately when this is something you consider offensive.

      [–]SisterPhister 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Maybe they're robots. And they just want us all to be safer.

      [–]jtheapostate5 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ahem.

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        [–]Derpsti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I wonder if /u/MrGrim could share their side of the story and if they had anything to do with the ban?

        [–]87612446F7 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

        i don't see why that's even an issue. admins can undoubtedly unban themselves or comment anyway.

        [–]GrampappyJoe 25ポイント26ポイント  (12子コメント)

        It would be funny if it were true, and from what the mods of FPH have said, they were at no point ever contacted by admins, and the admins ignored any FPH mod trying to contact them over issues. Then they just up and banned FPH using rules they changed because reasons.

        [–]AskmenAreBootlickers 18ポイント19ポイント  (11子コメント)

        Yeah, the comment is mostly accurate except that the 'reddit admin' was the CEO of imgur. It's not really surprising that FPH and slimgur were instantly on the hitlist.

        [–]Carvemynameinstone 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Especially since imgur has its own version of censorship war. Their comments got cucked beyond belief to make it a hugbox, and the community was against it.

        Just guess how they nipped that in the bud? Their spokesperson cried about harassment and death threats. ;_; without providing evidence ofcourse (and not to mention acting as if death threats isn't something that happens to anyone anywhere on the internet, internet fuckwad theory et al.)

        [–]lmdrasil 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

        People tell me: "go kill urself nigger" every day, why would I give a shit what someone says about me on the internet.

        If someone spams me and just creates new alts when I block them, I create a new account fucking tards. The SJWs are all literally acting like a coddled first day on internet kid, just so that they can further their agenda of limiting free speech and creating a hugbox for feminazis and their disgusting worshippers.

        The propaganda machine will keep moving forward until it crushes everyone who doesn't subscribe to their ideology.

        They need to nut the fuck up or shut the fuck up.

        [–]Carvemynameinstone 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Being someone from middle-eastern descent and having to go fucking defensive anytime something shitty happens there and gets media attention, I know how you feel.

        Fuck me I'm not even religious but I consider it my duty to debate people when they are being bigoted/ignorant fucks.

        And that's why #notyourshield appeals to me, especially considering the SJW fucknuts already called me ISIS, something that I get to hear/feel almost daily anyway.

        [–]lmdrasil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Oh god my sides, how can they be so fucking hypocritical, it is mind boggling.

        Keep fighting the good fight for what you believe is right, no one can take that away from you!

        [–]codyave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Referring to @sarah allegedly receiving death threats after imgur removed reported NSFW posts

        [–]supamesican 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

        why did the ceo of imgur have that power??? o.O

        [–]lmdrasil 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Won't link because of rules but...

        Google: imgur reddit 40

        Click on the subredditcancer link for forty million reasons.

        Yeah that's fucking why.

        [–]supamesican 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

        holy shit what the fuck

        [–]RedStarDawn 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Money.

        [–]supamesican 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

        still its even worse that it was an outside person.

        [–]RedStarDawn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Key business partner of Reddit, but I agree.

        [–]FrostytheSnowColt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Let's be honest, this wasn't about "discussion". This was about getting their way.

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          [–]Dank_Sparknugz 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The funny thing is that until this happened I didn't even know imgur had a "front page." I thought it was just an image host, since that was what the guy created it as.

          [–]PM_ME_UR_RAINBOWS 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

          That explains FPH, how does that explain the rest of all the subs that were banned in the wake of this? Face it, there is a purge happening.

          [–]Kimlitz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Thank you

          [–]LamaofTrauma 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Alright, brigading rules a mite bit opaque and crazy if we need NP links to our own fucking sub...

          [–]alterpanda 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          thats really informative, i didn't know that pcmasterrace was banned at one point, the hive mind is a dangerous thing,

          [–]skadav 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Even their dog is fat.

          OK, that's funny.

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            [–]DeePrincess 28ポイント29ポイント  (13子コメント)

            Can agree with edit I was 202 pounds at 5 foot 3 and I found fph. I was a fatty hating fat people but then I noticed in pictures "omg that's me...I look like that." I started on keto and am proud to be down to 184 in almost 3 months and keeping on going. Fph was my motivation to keep going. I didn't contribute to the sub but I stuck around for MY source of motivation.

            [–]Chicup 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

            As a former verified shitlord well done. Most of us didn't hate fat people, we hated fat culture.

            [–]DeePrincess 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I hate some fat people but that's in my personal life. I hated the haes and I love my fat body and I'm healthy mentality. It was refreshing to see those people being called out as unhealthy and maybe making the aware of the seriously bad life choices and where they were headed. The beatus posts and oxygen tanks along with being helped to stand or sit posts were quality posts. How can anyone reflect on themselves unless they face a hard truth.

            [–]Bubos 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I loved FPH, but I always thought it was kinda harsh to literally ban fucking everyone that ever had anything positive to say. Someone lost like half their body weight? Well done, please continue! -> Banned.

            I know why they did it. They didn't want to end up like Fatlogic which ironically turned into a circlejerk for fat people that pat themselves on the back, but still. Those ban messages were always hilarious though.

            [–]GetYourZircOn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Fph grew in response to fatlogic and fatpeoplestories being flooded with fatties who wanted to feel better about themselves by hating on people with slightly worse habits. The subreddit equivalent of the plain girl who hangs out with an ugly friend in order to look better by comparison. THAT was the only reason for the 'no being fat' rule, to avoid the same thing happening. Since reddit is likely mostly overweight people, it was bound to happen without stringent rules preventing it.

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              [–]supamesican 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Hmm maybe I should have checked it out then before it got banned. I hate fat culture but don't have a problem with fat people per se.

              [–]AceyJuan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

              That's pretty good. Remember that the hard part is keeping it off. Choose lifestyle changes you can really stick with.

              [–]DeePrincess 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Thing is I am committed to the change its been almost 3 months and I've only had 2 cheat days and even then they weren't really cheat days

              [–]AceyJuan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Don't beat yourself up over a few slips. If you're going to slip, do a small slip rather than hold off for a huge slip.

              But the big challenge is the years and years of your remaining life. You don't want to use force of will forever, so find ways to change your lifestyle that work for you.

              [–]ScoochMagooch 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

              It had the exact opposite reaction for me. What gives me motivation is seeing people working hard to lose their weight. And being encouraged and shown ways to do it. Being told it's not impossible etc... Seeing all the hate a vile that came out of that sub, how all these people just wanted a segment of the population die, it honestly made me want to put a gun in my mouth. Subs like /r/Keto have given me the courage and support I need help me lose the weight. Hatred has never motivated me

              [–]DeePrincess 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Different things work for different people. I respect that what works for me doesn't work for others. I hope your when journey ends you'll be where you aimed to be.

              [–]Baconated_Kayos 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

              From my experience FPH was 90% inside jokes, shitposting and dank memes.

              You keep repeating yourself there...

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                [–]GamesJernelizt 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

                Totally agree. Fph, not my cup of tea. Insert Voltaire quote.

                [–]sunnyta 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                funny enough, that quote was actually by evelyn beatrice hall in her book about voltaire, but often gets attributed to voltaire himself

                [–]IrishBoJackson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                “Love truth, but pardon error.”

                “Cherish those who seek the truth but beware of those who find it.”

                “Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.”

                -actually Voltaire

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                  [–]NoBadgerinoPls 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  As much as I enjoy lulz, FPH was too much hate and not enough lulz.

                  I only went to FPH twice, both times after it was mentionned by the perpetually outraged. The submission titles were funny, the pictures were sad and the comments... I know better than to read them.

                  [–]thatJainaGirl 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I can sum up 99% of FPH for you right here:

                  "This person is fat." "Lol yeah fuck them."

                  [–]lmdrasil 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  "Look at Tess she needs help to stand up what a fucking pathetic piece of blubber."

                  The memes were pretty dank and the mods were fucking hilarious.

                  [–]drnc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  They had the best mods. They put the publicly available picture of the imgur staff in the sidebar, then the imgur CEO sent the mods a message, they end up banning him for fat sympathy. Loved it. God bless them, they went out with a bang.

                  [–]thatsadamnshame 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I've seen people get banned for pointing out that the fat person being shamed was attempting to lose weight. I'm 'cool' with people hating on whatever, just don't pretend it's all HAES related.

                  [–]GetYourZircOn -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yep. Just a place for people to vent since you're not allowed to comment on people's weight or habits IRL. Why that needed to be taken away I don't understand. Well, I do, but it's stupid.

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                    [–]x87823199x 129ポイント130ポイント  (31子コメント)

                    fph was a godsend to people who want to 'clean up' reddit, from now on every time a sub gets banned, and people start to ask questions, they'll get lumped with all the worst offences of fph.

                    [–]Ohzza 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    You would think someone from 4chan could have enlightened them on the concept of a containment board.

                    In real life It's better to put up a smoking section at a hospital than to try and ban them from the campus and having smokers hiding everywhere.

                    [–]craftyj 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Tell that to Ohio State University. Fucking assholes.

                    [–]WhoSavesTheCityHim. 85ポイント86ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    Yep. That's why they start with FPH. They want to get the false association tied up before they need to use it.

                    [–]anditgoteverywhere 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    They just keep coontown up to say " look guys we aren't censoring speech" the sub is too small to really matter.

                    [–]garlic_loaf 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Exactly! It's a lot easier for them to say "oh coontown, well there are always some bad eggs" but with fph one of the most active subreddits it makes the site look bad to potential advertisers/investors.

                    [–]Alchemist27ish 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Sadly fph wasn't even that bad. I went there once or twice and it was a reaction to the kinds of idiots that believe being fat is a ok.

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                      [–]XenoKriss 18ポイント19ポイント  (15子コメント)

                      Which is why loudly distancing yourself from FPH is not just a waste of time, it actively empowers the SJWs as it makes FPH into an ever bigger boogeyman, whose shadow can and will be used to justify ever more censorship.

                      [–]niczar 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      As usual, apologizing or trying to appease SJWs is counterproductive. If you can't ignore them, you go Protein World on their ass and rack in the $$$

                      [–]XenoKriss 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Exactly: Never apologize to SJWs, don't try to find common ground or compromise, these people are not acting in good faith and if you give them an inch they'll take a mile.

                      [–]niczar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      They never take a whole mile, that'd be exercise. Maybe with a scooter, though.

                      [–]lmdrasil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I just call them racist shit since that is what reddit is fine with, I would never call them fat, because that is counterproductive.

                      You see I dont give a shit who we have on our side the sooner more subs are banned the better. We need a steady influx of people going to voat and 8chan so that we can have the manpower to really fuck with the SJWs. They can have their hugbox and we can have our open field.

                      The only reason they are one upping us right now is because they have a physical presence on the streets IRL. We need the same presence or else people won't take us seriously with our "doom and gloom" attitude.

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                        [–]videogameboss 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        FPH did nothing wrong. what you mean is the next time they go to ban a subreddit over its views, they'll have a herd of pigs screeching in support.

                        [–]A-bob-omb 30ポイント31ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        I seriously have no idea why /r/FatPeopleHate is getting all the focus in this sub rather than /r/neofag

                        [–]UberAndrew[S] 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        Most likely because FPH was the biggest of the subs banned, easily larger than the other ones combined.

                        Though I do think more attention should be brought to them considering there was even fewer reasons to ban them, at least as far as I know.

                        [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Most likely because FPH was the biggest of the subs banned, easily larger than the other ones combined.

                        that and a lot of THEM are coming here to make noise...

                        why do you think any post critical of FPH is being downvoted?

                        [–]bullshitfrog 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Pretty sure it was just so they could say "look, we're banning other subs, too. Not just FPH!" to try to make the whole "harassment" reasoning more acceptable. Even though almost nobody has heard of the other subs and there are much, much larger subs that are pretty infamous for harassment.

                        [–]VikingNipples 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I'd like to remind anyone new that we are not "we". Everyone here has their own opinions that may or may not match this or any other post.

                        [–]scytheavatar 66ポイント67ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        Don't bother, the aGGros aren't going to care. They will associate us with FPH even if we call them out. Just look at how recently that Tor creative director lump sad puppies and rabies puppies together even though Brad Torgersen and Larry Correia have already called out and disassociated themselves from Vox Day.

                        There's no reason for us to care either, don't fall for the old critical theory nonsense. If aGGros want us to care about assholes supporting us, they need to first clean up on the assholes at their side.

                        [–]Angle_of_the_Dangle 43ポイント44ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        Well, I see this more as a message to the KiA Community and all recent newcomers; not a message to AGG or reddit admins.

                        We just got ~ 3k subs, many of whom subscribed for wrong reasons. If the new people feel KiA is the place where a 'revolt against reddit' takes place, they will likely be disappointed.

                        [–]rgamesgotmebanned 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        We just got ~ 3k subs, many of whom subscribed for wrong reasons.

                        What makes you say that? I haven't really seen anything that doesn't belong here (except for the usual shit). I think you are making the wrong assumptions. We've hit /r/all before and it always was a boost and now we've had that a couple times in a row at a time when there was great insecurity and our ideals most likely already align with the majority of reddit. Why wouldn't we get a huge sub-boost from that? And why are those the wrong reasons?

                        [–]VidiotGamerTrigger Warning: Misogynerd 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        What makes you say that?

                        Considering the chain of events that lead up to it, it's not an unlikely hypothesis. That's why he said "likely" instead of "will".

                        The truth is no one really knows, but there are certainly people who have joined KiA in the past just because they want to play Left vs. Right culture war and don't give a toss about gaming. It's not a crazy thought.

                        [–]rgamesgotmebanned 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I don't see them having a lot of pull here. Almost all the comments/posts that are heavily upvoted are either intelligent and argued well, or shitposting and humor, both of which I think are helpful to the cause and enjoyable as well.

                        The best course of actions for these new (very active, which is a plus) members will be to be patient with them and explain what has happened before and not be tired to maybe repeat an old argument or link to articles/resources that "ought" to be known.

                        [–]slccsoccer28 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Just to play a little bit of devil's advocate.

                        I am 1 of those recent ~3k new users. I had occasionally seen this sub in /r/all from time to time, but the FPH revolt meant it was popping up frequently. I clicked a couple of posts and noticed that, for the most part, this sub contained quality conversations and I enjoyed reading the content. I ended up subbing to see what else comes up.

                        [–]thehollowman84 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        What makes you say that? I haven't really seen anything that doesn't belong here (except for the usual shit).

                        Well, I assume that's why the mods made this message, because they keep having to delete shit.

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                            [–]splendid_knight 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Well said. To put it succinctly we are anti-censorship, not pro-harassment.

                            [–]050607 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            A lot of gamers and game developers (like Gabe) are fat.

                            So FPH's ideology won't really be welcomed here anyway. People are pissed off aboot censorship, in the end.

                            Reddit is a shithole. I just come here for drama. :)

                            [–]edgeloard 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            We also have a lot of autism here. Regardless, rational people can put their differences aside for the greater good.

                            [–]Derpsti 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            A lot of gamers and game developers (like Gabe) are fat.

                            It's not like gamers have ever made fun of that though, rite. :P

                            It wasn't worth the weight: http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles/1/7/4/6/8/6/3/142800651171.gif

                            [–]Dr_WLIN 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            Except FPH wasn't against fat people. It was a reaction to the HAES push by fat, men-hating, fit-woman hating tumblerinas and people using bullshit excuses to attack fit people.

                            It wasn't created to attack fat people, it was created to call out people on the their own bullshit.

                            "Eff your beauty standards.....eff you anorexic slut models.....it's ok to be 200 pounds over weight, you'll never have health complications....." Meanwhile fat ass Tess couldn't even stand up with out the help of THREE people...

                            FPH was a reaction to people blaming others for their own shortcomings.

                            [–]Fenrir007 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            This isn't about subscribing to their ideas, but recognizing their right to exist just as much as ours, or NeoFAG.

                            [–]Steampunk_Moustache 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            I'm far too attracted to fat chicks to hate fat people.

                            [–]thisisnewt 10ポイント11ポイント  (13子コメント)

                            Why is this subreddit trying to do anything aside from targeting issues in gaming journalism?

                            Why is this community so strongly associating itself with a group that is known to have harassed and bullied others, when the worst allegations in GamerGate is that they harassed and bullied others?

                            Do any of you realize how much damage this stance is doing to your credibility?

                            If you feel that the ban was undeserved, fine. Go protest that somewhere else, but this subreddit should not be the place to do it.

                            Taking umbrage at every wrongdoing and diluting a movement's message is exactly how Occupy accomplished nothing.

                            [–]Not_for_consumption 3ポイント4ポイント  (11子コメント)

                            Why is this community so strongly associating itself with a group that is known to have harassed and bullied others, when the worst allegations in GamerGate is that they harassed and bullied others?

                            This community isn't. And kiA is not an homogenous group so the opinions of some of the KiA subscribers do not reflect the opinions of the whole of KiA

                            [–]thisisnewt 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            The community is most definitely doing that, by permitting the front page to be dominated by it.

                            There may be dissent, but that doesn't change how these events will change the way the movement is perceived.

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                              [–]HarithBK 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              it is not even about them beaing allowed to say what they want it is what reddit promised us. with the banning of FPH they broke the promise that reddit was going to be free and open even if a subject is more distastefull.

                              also it seems the narrativ push is we are pushing freedom of speech which is not true we are saying reddit promised us they would be free and open and now we are asking them to stick to that.

                              [–]sylect 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              the fact that this needs to be posted concerns me about being subbed to this sub

                              [–]GaryTheBum 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Believing in free of speech ≠ being in agreement with all speech. "SJWs", radfems, whomever else wants to censor and stifle free speech on social media or wherever else need to come to realize this. It's actually a rather simple concept.

                              [–]xxXRetardistXxxBanned from Wikipedia and Ghazi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              As a mod of (the most popular? idk 30k views yesterday) fph clone (/r/fatpeoplehate61), not even i stand for harassing specific people or what (people say) FPH stood for. Im just there posting dank memes and laughing at people being annoyed.

                              [–]KuffarisMaximus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Word. I'm not for hating on someone because of their weight, but censoring is a slippery slope. They already call us a hate group even though we're just disgusted by unethical behavior and game journalists' utter contempt for their readership and bullying behavior.

                              [–]wowww_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              What? I signed up because we hate fate people and women.

                              And no one's allowed to have their own opinion.

                              I'M OUT

                              *Fat people, the word needed to lose a few pounds

                              [–]10tothe24th 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              The whole FPH drama has left a sour taste in my mouth, both for this sub and for Reddit in general. There is so much fucking hate spilling into this sub over this issue, and it's not even related to GG. I can understand wanting to discuss it, but I really feel like we're getting derailed. I've had some hateful shit directed at me and i've seen it directed at other people as well. Many topics have always been polarizing, but the amount of bad faith comments and downright nastiness has increased considerably.

                              I think the mods need to consider enforcing Rule 11 a little more, or at least explain why they aren't enforcing it. We're talking about Ellen Pao more than we're talking about anyone in the gaming industry, pro-GG or anti. I mean, E3 starts next week and there's been lots of shady shit going down around it and I've only seen it mentioned in /r/Games. If it's being talked about here it's been buried under all this FPH drama... and for what?

                              I thought we could absorb this drama the way we did with the Harley cover or shirtgate, but this is different. The tone of this sub has changed and I'm seeing a lot more people participating in bad faith. Assholes filled with righteous indignation just looking for an excuse to shout at someone, anyone, for any reason at all.

                              As someone who followed the Occupy movement closely, this is what it feels like when a movement dies. Movements don't die because people lose motivation or because their mission was bogus, they die because they lose focus. And that's sad, because up until this, like with the Witcher stuff, it felt like we were making HUGE strides... but within a week, it feels like we've done a complete 180. I really think the mods need to step their game up, or at least explain what they hope to accomplish by letting this continue. We cannot and should not absorb every drama just because it's related to someone who tweets at Brianna Wu.

                              [–]JohnGalt316 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              i was amazed at how many people put KiA on the same level as FPH

                              [–]El_Biffo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              We've been compared to much worse.

                              [–]Carvemynameinstone 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Mate, I'm literally ISIS, get on my level.

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                                [–]TsundereMaid 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                I really didn't like FPH, they were just way too hateful. That said, I think that as long as they weren't harassing anyone (and maybe if they added a rule about blurring out faces) that they shouldn't have been banned.

                                Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it needs to be banned, which is something a lot of people in Ghazi just don't seem to get.

                                [–]Halafax 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                I had no interest in FPH, and I still don't. What happened is very interesting, though. If we have clarity on the mechanism being used to delete FPH posts from /r/all, I haven't seen it yet.

                                Given the very peculiar slimgur rules that just became apparent, one wonders what is going on. If imgur is part of the problem, people need to start digging. And maybe start pushing traffic from imgur.

                                The status quo yelped when imgur's involvement became clear, and it seems like they did something panicky in response. We need to understand why.

                                [–]lmdrasil 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Google: imgur reddit 40, click on subbredditcancer link.

                                Imgur is an investor in reddit for $40 million they have every reason to follow their lead.

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                                  [–]Kingoficecream 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Of course what will happen is that KiA and Gamergate will be slandered again as a fat hate movement by the media and by aGG

                                  It doesn't matter if you don't hate fat people and despise the subreddit, yet argue on principles of free speech. They'll call you a fat hater/harasser.

                                  It doesn't matter that I'm a liberal democrat, these people will call me a right-wing (using it as a pejorative) and a fascist.

                                  [–]Eralun 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  While I enjoyed FPH at times, allot of it was pretty damn insecure, 'look at this fat guy, god I feel better about myself now'.

                                  [–]PonyTheHorse 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  I don't think it should of been deleted but FPH was a shit place.

                                  And the 8chan board they moved to bans people for posting pictures of batman villains for some reason. The way they're handling it is extremely painful.

                                  [–]flatisjustice 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Yeah, you'd think their whole purpose was making fun of big guys. :/

                                  [–]abrazenleaf 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                  I came here from FPH, sorry if any of us where derailing the purpose of this subreddit. I hope they got called out and banned if necessary.

                                  [–]F54280 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  We rarely ban

                                  [–]XenoKriss 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  You're more than welcome, many of us consider the anti-censorship, anti-political correctness angle MORE important than the ethics aspect, so if you're only interest in fighting for free speech and against SJWs you still very much belong here.

                                  [–]ReverseSolipsist 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  But please leave hating fat people at the door, thanks. We won't ban you for not doing so, but out of respect, please do.

                                  [–]nodeworx 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  For me it is simply about the double standard that gets subs like fph banned while others (that are arguably even worse) get a free pass.

                                  This smack of ideology based purges rather than the equal and honest application of reddit rules.

                                  That is something I am not willing to let stand unopposed and without protest.

                                  [–]dvidsilva 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  this is like the worst hate group ever

                                  [–]js2k6 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I think FPH getting banned had a lot more to do with the brigading their users had been doing just prior to getting banned, But seeing their users going onto other subs and spreading their bullshit in the weeks leading up to it, I'm not surprised in the slightest that this occurred.

                                  [–]Shay_LaDouche 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  OP is obviously a fatty. /s

                                  [–]CanticleForLeibowitz 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  http://i.imgur.com/r1bxMYD.jpg

                                  https://i.imgur.com/A6ORPlL.png

                                  [–]BoltbeamStarmie 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  >One minute ago

                                  >Logged out

                                  Hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

                                  Edit: I'm not saying anything except that that first screenshot seems a bit questionable in its intent. Including only the one of the thread would have made whatever point you're trying to make stronger.

                                  [–]TheRealJasonsson 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Still a fucked up thing to fake a suicide like that, or under any circumstance really.

                                  [–]TheOnlyOtherRedditor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Just going to point out that the link to suicide watch was edited in and the comment about is only from a minute ago, so the post and the comment could have already been deleted by the time the screenshot was taken. Regardless the sub itself took all kinds of measures to stop people from brigading like that.

                                  Here's a comment explaining about what really got FPH banned.

                                  [–]derpderpin 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  FPH was nothing but bigotry and bullying, that place was disgusting. People got doxxed there, people got humiliated. Shit pooled out of that place and spilled over to places outside of reddit. Frankly this is not something KiA needs to be defending. Ethically getting rid of an actual hate group is probably the right thing to do. It started out as something different than what it turned into.

                                  [–]Aurondarklord 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  the whole point of free speech is that it applies to everybody, even those you strongly disagree with. If we're living in a society where we have to vocally deny that we support a given opinion just because we support its right to be expressed by those who do, that is already proof of the problem.

                                  [–]Hamakua 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  "If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech for views you don't like. Goebbels was in favor of freedom of speech for views he liked, so was Stalin. If you are in favor of freedom of speech that means you are in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views that you despise. -Otherwise you are not in favor of freedom of speech."

                                  [–]niczar 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  the whole point of free speech is that it applies to everybody, even those you strongly disagree with.

                                  As Chomsky continually says, they had free speech in the USSR. You could say whatever you wanted, as long as it was praises for comrade Stalin.

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                                    [–]NocturnalQuill 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    FPH was scum, but it doesn't change the fact that the administration is corrupt as shit. It was a distraction. r/neofag is what we need to be making noise about.

                                    [–]Shadydave 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                    Kinda seems like FPH banning opposing viewpoints in their sub made it's ban inevitable. Of course it was traffic size that did them in, 6th overall or something like that, and their degradation of posting standards from obnoxious FA personalities to, just before the ban, anyone slightly overweight and alive. When they're topping /r/all with pictures of little children and mods are banning & cruelly mocking users for acknowledging any humanity, fuck 'em.
                                    The only sympathy FPH can carve out is anti-censorship, but they were pro censorship until it came back on them. If they hadn't been so ban happy and had to wade through the shit and consequences they brought upon themselves they would probably still be a sub.

                                    [–]DwarfGate 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    FPH was a LOT of hate. Like, as a fa/tg/uy I fully understand making fun of fat people, especially the 1k pounders out there, but don't forget that we share similarities.

                                    A subreddit hating hat people dies, a subreddit criticizing insane SJw/Feminazi control of media is being lined up under the guillotine, but a subreddit hating black people is being actively ignored.

                                    The reason is we are seen as a direct insult and attack on the Social Justice Warrior. They live, eat, and breathe their political identity, so just like FPH we could end up being axed. Only when they axe KiA they are going to learn what it's like to have a Social Justice CEO drive a whole company under.

                                    [–]RoryTateOG³: GamerGate Chief Morale Officer 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Well stated. I would add that the lack (or poor communication) of a reason for banning all the subs in question is the main concern of the members of this subreddit. The more that continues to be shrouded in secrecy by the admins, and the more that some subs get away with worse right out in the open, then the more we will question these actions.

                                    [–]Redz0ne 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Agreed.

                                    While I understand that a lot of them came here, the point of this sub is about the various factors in play with the GamerGate scandal.

                                    I'm glad that so many of them have been woken up to the nonsense we've been facing and if they want to help out I'm all for that... But it does help to keep focus.

                                    Besides, isn't TiA already there for those that want to post more about the over-all socjus things? (or is it axed already? I haven't checked that sub for a long while now.)

                                    [–]UberAndrew[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    /r/TumblrInAction and /r/SocialJusticeInAction are both meant for making fun of socjus, but KiA mods have stressed that socjus related topics will never be banned here, but at the same time it should never become the focus.

                                    [–]Redz0ne 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Fair point. I guess what I'm trying to say is if all someone wants to do is mock socjus then maybe TiA and SJiA would be a better fit.

                                    I'm not going to deny that socjus is an element of what we've had to deal with... But that's just a branch that is sticking out from the trunk that is GG.

                                    [–]boommicfucker 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    The only reason I care about these subreddits being banned is how dishonest the site staff has been. Like many others have pointed out, Reddit used to be very much open for anything that wasn't illegal (sort of like the chan sites) but that has changed. Okay, cool, leadership, policies and company culture changes all the time, whatever. What happened then however was an out of the blue action that led to people with too much time on their hands shitting up the front page while the admins were chasing them around with brooms (metaphorically of course).

                                    That's fucking dumb and very poorly handled. If I were in charge of Reddit I wouldn't want to risk losing the over 140k users subbed to FPH, Neofag and the others. Reddit isn't just some forum after all, most users will be on multiple subreddits sooner or later.

                                    What should have been done instead, in my opinion as a former moderator of a 20k people web forum (so a total expert :p), is the following:

                                    • Announce a new policy that bans "hateful content" (not "behaviour"). How exactly it would be worded is up to the people in charge of Reddit but it would have to be fairly watertight. No mentions of "protected groups" or anything like that, same rules for everyone.
                                    • This policy will not be enforced immediately or selectively. Instead global mods or admins will listen to concerns, questions and criticism from the affected subs for, say, 2 weeks. If necessary the new rules will be updated during this.
                                    • After this period one more week is allowed for affected subreddits to either update their own rules in order to stay on Reddit or set up and promote a new place elsewhere.
                                    • At the end subreddits that violate the new rules are archived (deleted after an additional week or so). All of them, big ones first. Yes, this also means places SJWs run.

                                    There would still be angry people who will leave Reddit altogether of course but I seriously doubt it would blow up like this if they'd just been fair and constructive. And not once was the phrase "we ban behaviour, not ideas" uttered.

                                    [–]YosharianWalks around backward with his sword on his hip 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Fuckin' A.

                                    [–]AN4RCHID 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Yep, went there a few times and wasn't really into how mean-spirited it was. There's a some legitimate stuff to mock about certain "Fat Acceptance" stuff, but I didn't care for how that sub went about it.

                                    Regardless, banning them goes against the principles that Reddit was founded on. And worse is that it was under the same old bullshit cover of stopping 'harrassment' that is questionable if it even existed and wasn't officially accepted on the sub from what I've seen.

                                    [–]Sheldon_couper 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    This needed to be said

                                    [–]DrecksVerwaltung 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    fo course not.
                                    I haven't been banned for fat sympathy yet

                                    [–]provoko 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    OP, you're laying down the rules of this sub by saying it's not about harassing people, yet you're wondering what the subs did wrong. When the subs were banned, those people spilled into this sub, guess what those ppl like to do? You guessed it, harass people.

                                    [–]Aleuhm 8ポイント9ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                    TOBEHONEST fuck that sub

                                    [–]Arisarha 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Yeah. All this stuff with FPH and various other extents of "defending people's rights" has left a bad taste in my mouth in regards to GG and all that. I mean, I dunno, I don't like any extremes. Whether that is the supreme "censor everything, most prevent them feels and triggers" but at the same time... I don't believe in anarchy, at all. Some things shouldn't be a thing. And people shouldn't promote behavior and attitudes that segregate and demean one another.

                                    For that reason, I'm hanging up my GG hat I think. I'm just too moderate for the massive chasm split in extremes that the two sides have at this time. But then, it's really the story of my life I guess. Too fucking casual/moderate/neutral/whatever for any movement.

                                    [–]Dyalibya 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I don't actually hate fat people or anyone, but I enjoyed FPH, it was very motivating, and funny at times

                                    [–]DrCoquenbols 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I endorse this message.

                                    Also, this conversation focuses on FPH way too much, what about Neofag, which we share quite a few similarities with, and are arguably a better example of egregious selective application of rules.

                                    [–]Gingor 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                    I've been defending /r/creepshots, /r/jailbait and /r/beatingwomen since they were banned and I don't particularly like the content of most of them (beatingwomen being the exception because I'm 100% convinced that they were just fans of black comedy and they had the best... well, beating women jokes in all of Reddit).
                                    A lot of people either don't want to get it or are really just incapable of getting it. Either way, it's useless to argue with them.

                                    [–]HotPandaLove 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                    I read that people were actually using r/jailbait to trade CP. So, yeah, pretty indefensible.

                                    [–]Gingor 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                    What I heard was that SRS noticed that the mods of jailbait were all from similar timezones and so were asleep at roughly the same time.
                                    They then proceeded to post CP and report it to the admins half a second later, while the mods were asleep.

                                    This gave the admins the cause to ban it, and SRS all the goodwill they needed to stay unbanned no matter what they do.

                                    [–]LeerooooyGaaaankins 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Wouldn't be the first time SRS trafficked that crap.

                                    [–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Won't be the last. pedoGhazi didn't get its name for nothing.

                                    [–]TorchicBlaziken 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I don't think it's out of the question that the users were just that stupid.

                                    [–]HotPandaLove 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Wait, so the whole "mods are asleep" is an actual strategy used by trolls? I thought it was just a dank joke

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                                      [–]ys57 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      They tended to attack individuals many times, especially the imgur situation. That's what made it harassment. Idk about the other banned subreddits.

                                      [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      but we're not going to turn into fat hating sub anytime soon.

                                      it might be soon, if we keep letting the FPH refugees treat this subreddit as their own. Ever since the sub got banned there's been a sickenly large amount of hatred and fat bashing going on in this subreddit from the ignorant, hateful fuck heads.

                                      [–]kamon123 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      They did make plans to hijack a sub and "use their shitlord numbers" to control it iirc from some of the people watching or involved in the aftermath saying.

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                                        [–]kathartik 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        thanks for the reminder and I couldn't agree more. one thing I've noticed is that since those subs were banned, there's been an influx of people with really shitty attitudes.

                                        [–]3seashellsIknowHow 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        You're fighting the same enemy though.

                                        [–]TheMindUnfetteredGrand Poobah of GamerGate 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        Well said. To the front page you go!

                                        [–]BoltbeamStarmie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        UberAndrew always gets front page with his retarded comics though!

                                        [–]Joss_Muex 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                        One again, the problem here is that there are too many threads for recent topics. Some slight pruning is required.

                                        [–]BitDaBitGau 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        For those people from FPH, make sure you look up fph.io if you want to find where the original mods etc went to. Voat is also decent when it's up. I'm using both at the moment but once Voat is stable I will spend more time there.

                                        [–]RedStarDawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I went to FPH solely because I am against fat acceptance (and encouragement). That being said, I'm here because I'm against lying, hypocrisy, and censorship. I can keep the two distinct.

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