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[–]sailor_moon_irl 53 points54 points55 points  (7 children)
What's with this "write an essay" crap? Are these disgruntled college professors we're dealing with?
[–]Fireark 28 points29 points30 points  (6 children)
It is actually a very effective tactic. If the person that disagrees with you chooses not to write an essay, then you have quashed all dissenting thought. If they do write the essay, then you have effectively reeducated them.
[–]sdaciuk 33 points34 points35 points  (0 children)
Nah, it's more than that: it's literally intended to cause the reaction that it's getting. They want the flames, they want people pissed off, they want a reaction. It's just an abuse of power to enjoy abusing people.
[–]s33plusplus 14 points15 points16 points  (3 children)
Or option C: They go elsewhere and expose you for being such a twat via out-of-band communication channels.
Fucking seriously, it's like these jackasses don't understand that the internet has multiple avenues for any given person to speak. And if they do, then they're being willfully myopic.
[–]hahaohwait 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
I would personally go with option D: Tell them to fuck off, and that I'll just make another account and continue doing whatever it is that's got them so mad.
[–]Fireark [score hidden]  (1 child)
Can't they just eventually block you ISP if you do that tho?
Honestly, that would be my standard response. Reddit accounts are cheap and easy. But I'd eventually get bored.
[–]gztichyDammit reddit, you ruined it :( [score hidden]  (0 children)
Mods? Nope. They have to do it account by account.
Admins? Yeah, they can probably ban IP ranges.
[–]milkyguru [score hidden]  (0 children)
If they do write them an essay, it's essentially free ammunition for them to use to argue with people over the internet.
[–]nodeworx 370 points371 points372 points  (69 children)
A popular sub banning somebody for having the 'wrong' opinion. Shocking that. /s
That said, subs like /r/history should be able to discuss history in a thorough and nuanced way. There is absolutely no reason for banning somebody because they don't agree with you or might not have research a certain subject to its most minute details.
Honest, open an nuanced discussion helps everybody learn something, banning somebody for an unpopular opinion in a sub like /r/history leaves everybody dumber.
History is by definition a contentious subject and real scholars of history know how much of written history is propaganda written by victors and dominant cultures. How can you learn anything by making the same mistakes?
A mod in such a subreddit should encourage nuanced debate, especially when the discussion goes beyond the most trite and accepted historical sources. As always it is those who push beyond the edges of what is known that advance human knowledge. Shutting down such a debate even before somebody holding a contrary opinion has the opportunity to provide supporting sources is a deplorable move.
History is messy and ugly and if you are one of the perpetually offended, how do you think you can ever become an effective scholar?
[–]cantbebothered67835 61 points62 points63 points  (21 children)
Since lots of people are asking, here's the offending post that got the user banned
[–]nodeworx 59 points60 points61 points  (6 children)
Disclaimer: I don't know enough about the situation to comment on this statements content one way or the other.
That said, it seems a fairly coherent argument (biased or not) that was being presented and the correct response to this speech should have been more speech not a ban.
Possibly (again I'm not a history buff), this argument has been made and discarded often enough on /r/history that it might warrant pretty immediate dismissal. However, even in that case it would have merited a comment and a warning and a mod pointing out to the author of the offending comment the relevant posts discussing this topic in /r/history's own history.
I don't see any possible reason for banning somebody outright for politely and reasonably presenting an (minority/unpopular) opinion without some very clear reasons for doing so.
All in all I find this fishy as hell and I find that the mod was at best lazy in not giving clear reasons for this ban if they have/had been merited and at worst it's yet again a mod banning people along ideological lines in a sub (especially a sub like this) where ideology in general should be subservient to the goals of the subreddit.
[–]tomdarch 20 points21 points22 points  (5 children)
Keep in mind that r/history is pretty strongly moderated in the first place to keep things rooted in academic sources, rather than idle blathering. It's worth noting that the post that led to the ban was pure opinion and didn't cite any sources, which at very least would get it deleted in that sub.
I'm sure the mods of r/history have had to deal with folks coming out of the neo-fascist/organized "white power" sub-culture to try to inject their ideas into the sub. The mod's comments about "I'm not sure which" is because the posting sure smacks of their style of propagandizing, it isn't entirely explicit or wildly over the top. Thus the mod is saying "write something up that shows that you are interested in learning about a broad, frankly conventional understanding of the history of Zimbabwe/Rhodesia, or I'll have to assume that you're just interested in propagandizing, and leave you banned."
If stormfront-types start brigading r/history, the mods need a pretty strong fire hose to repel that crap, and in the mean time, they clearly have decided to nip buds quickly rather than letting potential problems fester.
There probably should be a good sub for wide-open, opininonated discussion of history, but r/history explicitly isn't that sub. If this guy had wanted to seriously back up his unpopular opinion with a lot of sources, he would have been on much stronger ground.
That said, the mod probably should have slathered on more bullshit and toned down the comment to make it appear more "neutral" so it wouldn't be red meat for witch hunters.
[–]BigBigotedBigfoot 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
He could find sources to back up those claims and he still would have been banned. What they took issue with was that they thought he was defending a racist regime. This is not an issue of unbacked claims but ideas they find offensive. There is a strong arguement that living conditions were better under terrible governments but that goes far beyond rhodesia. Indepenence was followed by mass murder.
In Zimbabwe 20,000 political opponents were murdered and tens oof thousands more detained aand tortured. These were not the people involved in prior government oppression but they targeted an rival ethnic group who was vying for power. The economy was wrecked, poverty increased, and new government became basically a kleptocracy. This also goes into a much deeper and academic debate that perhaps forcing democracy on underdevolped countries is very problematic and potenially harmful.
There are plenty of unpopular ideas that are backed with academic research. This is why people have tenure. Academia is a large world and even some of the most offensive claims can be backed with research. Academic research often tries too present the world as it is and that is often not politcally correct. Is it more important for people living in poverty to have post-materalist rights or to have personal safety and a stable country?
•Edited errors in style.
[–]Northwait [score hidden]  (1 child)
I'm not sure anyone can continue to claim academia will defend well researched, but offensive, claims. Consider how things have devolved over the past 25 years, having given birth to the SJ style "my facts are facts and your facts are fake". A healthy academic climate based on evidence would never cultivate such a thing.
[–]BigBigotedBigfoot [score hidden]  (0 children)
But most people who idenitfy as sjw are not academics. Want offensive to a sjw look at fukuyama, look broad range of other people. Most of these facetious arguements you describe are not made by experts or professionals but over inflated trolls.
[–]boy_who_loved_rocketCited by Based Milo. -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Trying to justify banning him because of white supremacy subs. Yeah.
Go to GamerGhazi please
[–]suissetalk [score hidden]  (0 children)
If that's all you got from his comment, then you can go there too. Because you can't argue.
[–]marinuso 21 points22 points23 points  (3 children)
I like the person who replied to that. Not all is lost apparently, far from it.
OTOH, you couldn't go make a /r/truehistory or something, because that would then be filled by 'rightists' and it would be biased as well, just in the other direction. That's not right either.
[–]hittingkidsisbad 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
Or you take the difficult route (as /r/realtruehistory or whatever) and hold everyone to the same legitimate standards, regardless of political persuasion. In essence out-compete /r/history or other related subs.
That said it would be difficult, as whatever you do some group or another is going to hate you and cherry-pick any mistakes you or your moderators make (real or imagined, including being "too inclusive") and proclaim them loudly as evidence of bias, malevolence, or incompetence. To the extent someone could do it right however it would be something they could be proud of, and educational - in terms of history and moderation - as well.
[–]A-bob-omb 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
/r/recordedhistory might be better.
[–]dismalinterest 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I mean that's a big if. If the regular sub slants one way and the true sub slants another you just read them both and fill in the blanks
[–]fossilfern 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
But the guy isn't half wrong! Rhodesia wasn't perfect but it was a million times better than what it is now. My grandad went to Rhodesia a few times and he loved it, said it was a bit of home (UK) in Africa. The country had everything going for it and its a simple fact that Mugabe and his party DESTROYED Rhodesia. Just look at Zimbabwe now, a total mess.
[–]MRB2012 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
But the guy isn't half wrong! Rhodesia wasn't perfect but it was a million times better than what it is now.
That's not saying much.
The country had everything going for it and its a simple fact that Mugabe and his party DESTROYED Rhodesia
Mugabe also committed genocide against other blacks.
[–]EurocentricZionist [score hidden]  (0 children)
Mugabe also committed genocide against other blacks.
SJWs won't let you talk about black-on-black crime because it foils the "privilege" narrative, that everything is the fault of white people. Just try talking about Mugabe, about Rwanda, about the black-on-black murder rates in Chicago, about Boko Haram, and they'll ban you from wherever the subject happens to come up.
[–]Eladriol 4 points5 points6 points  (5 children)
what does one taxpayer one vote mean in practise though
[–]Ruzinus 10 points11 points12 points  (4 children)
It means landowners can vote.
[–]Eladriol 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
But not for example income tax payers?
[–]Ruzinus 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
I don't think they had income tax, but I can't say that for a certainty.
[–]tomdarch -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
Which, if you have an apartheid-style system that makes it legally difficult for non-"whites" to own land, makes it a pretty blatantly problematic perversion of "democracy."
[–]didntsayeeeeeeeee 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
What rules prohibited non-whites from owning land in Rhodesia? I'm curious, I don't claim to know that much about the history of Rhodesia.
[–]drinkaveebs [score hidden]  (0 children)
A completely civilly phrased post, if people disagree with it they ought to refute it with argument and evidence; it is very unreasonable to ban the fellow for espousing such opinions.Even if Rhodesia was a racist state, the truth is that pretty much all states were racist to varying degrees historically, including state's widely admired and considered high points of human civilisation, such as Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece. That is not to equate them in any way with Rhodesia, to be frank I know very little about Rhodesia (I'd expect few people do these days), my point is that racism is woven throughout history, and it is not immoral to admire or hold in esteem a state that was among other things a racist one.
[–]Senbozakura222 105 points106 points107 points  (32 children)
seriously this irks me to no avail about this and it screams revisionists. Anyone who would deny history whether it be good OR bad are beyond ignorant. These people who would us rather bury humanities mistakes fail to realize by doing so will inevitability cause us to repeat it.
that being said still want more context because as is this is relatively bare.
[–]baconatedwaffle 20 points21 points22 points  (7 children)
That would explain the bizarre thread about Rommel I once read in TIL. It was a total smear job that ran counter to everything I'd heard about the guy in popular culture or read about the man in books written in the 80's, 50's and 60's. Not even Wikipedia mentioned the shit I saw in that thread.
[–]Senbozakura222 18 points19 points20 points  (6 children)
I remember that well. Rommel was a great man even if he was on the wrong side of the war. There was a reason he earned the respect of people like Churchill, Montgomery, and Patton. Rommel hated Hitler and the things had done and that was the very thing that wound up leading to his death after a failed plot against Hitler.
That being said some people still only see him for the uniform he wore and not the deeds he accomplished.
[–]Aksinblue 14 points15 points16 points  (2 children)
Ahh the dailymail, Its my favorite centuries old gossip column.
[–]jbisinla 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
I get that people don't like it, but its broad coverage makes it an easily googleable source, and their facts aren't always wrong (although they may frequently be biased).
Maybe Spiegel Online will be more to your taste.
[–]Folsomdsf 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
If a url has .de and it's talking about nazi history, you might as well just cruise right on by it.
[–]Mantergeistmann(◕‿◕✿) 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
I think r/badhistory really hates Rommel, as well.
[–]Manuel___Calavera [score hidden]  (0 children)
They don't hate him they just hate posts like these
I remember that well. Rommel was a great man even if he was on the wrong side of the war. There was a reason he earned the respect of people like Churchill, Montgomery, and Patton. Rommel hated Hitler and the things had done and that was the very thing that wound up leading to his death after a failed plot against Hitler.
[–]videogameboss 24 points25 points26 points  (22 children)
These people who would us rather bury humanities mistakes fail to realize by doing so will inevitability cause us to repeat it.
that's the point. ending apartheid made life hellish for white people in africa.
[–]nodeworx 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
Per definition history is more subtle and messy than this and any broad statement like this will inevitably be more wrong than correct.
However, it's a hypothesis that should serve as the starting point of what could be an interesting debate as long as everybody remains polite and reasonable, it's not a reason to ban anybody.
[–]icallshenannigans 50 points51 points52 points  (4 children)
White South African here.
I'm 36, my older brother and father where part of the struggle.
Both were arrested and jailed several times during demonstrations. My brother was a conscientious objector who went to prison voluntarily instead of doing National Service to a corrupt government.
My father organized meetings at a local church and smuggled information and media by night. I still have a Martin Luther King speech on LP with a fake label and cover (that of an invented comedy series.)
I remember my brother dyed purple from the collar up and the cuffs down after being hit by a water cannon at a protest (the dye was to shame your family and/or catch you later, it stayed on you for weeks.)
I'm telling you all this because I feel that these experiences qualify me ( I'm uncomfortable with that word but it's 03:30 here and I can't think of a better way to put it at the moment) to share the following position: we are all victims of Apartheid.
Every black person who was persecuted and made to believe they were the wretched of the planet and denied an education. Who watched their fiends mowed down at demonstrations. Whose family lines are forever stunted socially, financially and in terms of education. The children of those families today who struggle to leave the townships. The few who are better off who struggle now to fit in in the suburbs. Those locked into a life of crime.
Every white person who grew up with a false understanding of their place in the world. Whose outlook is forever distorted by an abuse of the truth under which they were raised. Who were robbed of the truth that we are one species. Who will never understand how to love humanity as a whole. Who fell in love across the colour line and pursued it and were jailed and murdered. Who fell in love across he colour line and never pursued it. The ones who felt they couldn't stay and left their homes. The ones who stayed.
Some of these experiences are distinct to each side and some are shared but what we all now share is a broken country.
A place completely and utterly mired in its horrifically unfortunate history.
We all now bear the brunt of a failing government as the pendulum swings back from the Halcyon days of Nelson Mandela.
The victims that I pity the most are the children. The 'born frees' whose excuses seem like ashes on the evening breeze. So fragile and easily swept away, yet still a product of burning.
There's isn't a person alive today in this country who hasn't been affected by Apartheid.
Although we may wear it in different ways, it is a scar that is worn by every South African alive today.
[–]Fat_Pony 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
South Africa was brought down the same way a lot of countries are brought down, by corporations seeking cheap labor. The neighboring tribes should have never been let into South Africa in the first place. They thought they could keep the political power in place by keeping the foreign labor from being able to vote, but we all know how that worked out.
But in the end I think it was inevitable. With how terrible most African countries are, a white prosperous country couldn't keep out the neighboring blacks without being constantly being called racists for it. They would have to go full Israel mode and erect massive walls and jail then deport anyone who tries to enter. Israel pulls this off for multiple reasons, none of which South Africa could manage for long.
Your country is living on borrowed time, there will be no redemption. The ANC wont magically become competent one day. Genocide watch lists South Africa at the "polarization" phase, which is phase 6 out of 10. Where 9 is the extermination and 10 is the denial. I would personally get the hell out of there if you can. Better to leave on your own terms than as a refugee fleeing violence.
[–]PanRagon [score hidden]  (0 children)
Thank you for this. I have friends from South Africa, and I've heard about how horrible it could be. The Apartheid denied your people's right to respect and treat eachother like people, it caused a deep ripple and barrier between you that never should have taken place. I can't imagine how it must feel growing up in a country where there's two "types" of people where no one could mix or mingle with the other group. It's just horrible for both sides really, nobody shouldn't have to feel that disconnected to a large part of their own country, black or white.
I hope things are looking up for you now :)
[–]popadom4u -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Blac people flocked to south africa.
You make it seem like they were traveling around on hover boards and everyone had a masters till the white devil wrecked the place.
[–]PanRagon [score hidden]  (0 children)
What, no he doesn't? How is stating that black people were heavily migrating to South Africa that equivalent of saying that they're flying on hoverboards with master's degrees?
[–]Alucard_V 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
[–]marinuso 6 points7 points8 points  (10 children)
ending apartheid made life hellish for white people in africa.
Are you sure this sentence is one you want to be known for saying?
Apartheid made life hellish for black people and it's not like that's defensible. The problem is more that it has been inverted rather than abolished.
[–]Eladriol 18 points19 points20 points  (7 children)
I mean you could argue that in many ways what has happened after is worse than before in Zimbabwe especially. But yeah it's difficult to argue that ending the concept of apartheid was a mistake, but it's relatively easy to argue that the methods used and the people chosen to take over have been mistakes in some areas.
[–]marinuso 6 points7 points8 points  (6 children)
I agree with that, but 'ending apartheid made life hellish for white people in Africa' really isn't the way to express that position, for several reasons.
Ending apartheid is a good thing, may it happen. Everywhere. Putting Mugabe in power is not a good thing, but Mandela did alright.
[–]videogameboss 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
Crime is a prominent issue in South Africa. South Africa has a very high rate of murders, assaults, rapes (adult, child, elderly and infant), and other crimes compared to most countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
[–]YOLO_SWAG_4_JEBUS 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
But that was existed before Mandela took power. That can't really be pinned on apartheid ending.
[–]videogameboss 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
Around 50 people are murdered in South Africa each day.[5] The murder rate has increased by an order of magnitude in South Africa during the last 40 years,[6]
[–]Eladriol 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Completely random tangent from the wiki articles on crime in SA: Apparently 500,000 estimated rapes in SA (some refer to it as the rape capital of the world) take place every year, which when compared to the population of women (men can't be raped shitlord) in SA at approx 27 mil makes for an estimated true rate of rape at 1/54 per woman.
Well done fellow shit lords in American colleges for breaking record after record with an impressive 1/5 college freshwomen rape rate!
[–]BigBigotedBigfoot 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Look at Guatemala as well. They had a horrible civil war. They then implemented democracy in 1996 to reduce their Pariah status. Crime has gotten worse to the point where violent deaths between 2000-2010 were greater per annum than during the civil war. Now a former general is president after being voted in on a landslide on a platform that endorsed harsh repression. Democracy does not solve the underlying issues in highly problematic states.
[–]Gonadzilla [score hidden]  (0 children)
Oh shut the fuck up. He can express himself however he wants you dumb cunt. You sound like a fucking woman.
[–]MRB2012 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
The problem is more that it has been inverted rather than abolished.
Nope. Life still sucks for blacks in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Mugabe and his South African counterparts have no more love for the black people they govern than the Apartheid whites that preceded them. In fact, Mugabe committed a genocide against another tribe of blacks when he came to power. The situation isn't "inverted," it just sucks more for everyone now than it used to, which is kind of what happens whenever you have a revolution.
[–]didntsayeeeeeeeee 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Apartheid made life hellish for black people and it's not like that's defensible
Hardly hellish. Hardly perfect either.
How many countries in sub-Saharan Africa were better places to be black than apartheid South Africa?
[–]sunnyta -15 points-14 points-13 points  (3 children)
funny how you care more about the wellbeing of minorities if they happen to be white
[–]noogai131 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
An irrelevant point, as you have no supporting evidence or statements to draw the conclusion that he cares more about whites than blacks.
He made a statement that whites are worse off after apartheid was ended. This could be either true or false, i'm not a scholar on this point. He never mentioned anything about any other minority.
[–]sunnyta -4 points-3 points-2 points  (1 child)
i've talked to this user before, hence why i said what i said
[–]noogai131 [score hidden]  (0 children)
[Citation Needed].
If you have proof that he cares more about whites than other minorities, please, bring it to attention.
I don't trust hearsay or anecdotal evidence any more. If you have some actual proof, I'd be more than glad to hear it.
[–]Notalent13 63 points64 points65 points  (6 children)
When I saw a topic on South Africa being incredibly over moderated, I knew r/history was lost. Truth is subservient to political correctness.
[–]ShitArchonXPR 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
It's not the first time. /r/AskHistorians had a thread about mandingo fights. The comment that was entirely PC conjecture and "they didn't have fights, it wouldn't be profitable" was upvoted a lot more than the comment that cited evidence and sources of slaves being forced to fight each other (and plantation owners making decisions for sadism and not profitability).
[–]MRB2012 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It's not the first time. /r/AskHistorians had a thread about mandingo fights.
I got banned from that sub for comparing afrocentrism to Holocaust denial. Sure they're both lies propagated by racists, but that doesn't mean they're comparable or something.
[–]KosherDensity 12 points13 points14 points  (3 children)
Only under Chairman Pao's regime. Though the cancer was growing before that.
[–]marinuso 25 points26 points27 points  (1 child)
This is almost certainly not Pao's doing. Those mods have been there for a while.
[–]BigBigotedBigfoot 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Both the mods ckmmenting in the image are relativeky new. One was instated a year ago and the other 5 months.
[–]rymmen 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
No, truth has been subservient to politics since forever. We had the Enlightenment, but that basically died in the 60s to be replaced by secular religion.
[–]EnigmaMachinen 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Well said- just because someone has an opinion you don't like, doesn't mean it should be censored.
[–]ddsasdd [score hidden]  (0 children)
Ask Historians is heavily moderated but not in the same way. If you could source all your claims, even if your opinion was unpopular, you would be fine. However it does have strict sourcing rules.
[–]PM_ME_UR_RAINBOWS 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I disagree. History is after all, written by the victor if you think about it. This is in line with humanity of all ages. Edit:
To use another famous quote "Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them."
[–]vitaminf -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
How dare you question the hero of the soviet union, x4
[–]scorcher24 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Well, if you want a free discussion about history, gotta go to /pol/ or /leftypol/
[–]AllYourFearsAreLies -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
I dont agree with and think you should be banned unless you write us a 1000 word essay on why op is a faggot
[–]Dwavenhobble 30 points31 points32 points  (2 children)
A comedic Song writer here in the UK called Mitch Benn once wrote a song called "Mr Mugabe" the song was pointing out people will happily defend Mugabe and his actions and in doing so it cheapens the actions of actual liberator like Mandella who didn't turn round and abuse the power they got. The song was essentially mocking people defending Mugabe because of his skin colour rather than condemning him for the actions.
There have been plenty of reports of White Farmers and family having to flee homes as mobs took the farms by force. Mobs of course encouraged and allowed by the government. The problem that happened of course being that people who aren't farmers will have problems farming and did hence a fair bit of food shortages etc.
Admittedly before the racial segregation was disgusting to see happen as well but it's a show of just what some SJWs think. They don't want equality they want to see people pay and people take revenge.
[–]Folsomdsf 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
They don't get to flee the home, they're there to kill the farmers, taking the land is the byproduct, and it's fucking evil.
[–]bananaramallamasama [score hidden]  (0 children)
There have been plenty of reports of White Farmers and family having to flee homes as mobs took the farms by force
You will only hear "they deserve it", "it's not that bad" and "everybody has suffered" in response to the modern genocide occurring against white south african farmers. My advice is just to get out of africa.
[–]Steampunk_Moustache 29 points30 points31 points  (2 children)
racist regimes
Like Robert Mugabe's?
Funfact: The one and only black kid in my highschool was a refugee from Zimbabwe, he told us about how they had killed some of his family because they cooperated with, and defended the white people.
[–]MRB2012 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Mugabe even butchered the blacks who fought against the whites.
[–]BigBigotedBigfoot [score hidden]  (0 children)
And many others were also murdered, tortured, exiled. For being from the wrong tribe. For being prominent. For being rivals to power.
[–]minecraftimous 60 points61 points62 points  (4 children)
Context please. I know a tad about Rhodesia/Zimbabwe history (connects to history of British empire) and if it is what I think it is, then the /r/History mods are denying the existence of the genocide of white people that happened once Rhodesia/Zimbabwe got independent and that due to the violence and mass destruction of the industries which could have been peacefully handed over to those who, in their eyes, should run the country; the nation has a massive problems with poverty and that the current ruler prevents the cash aid getting to the people who need it.
[–]XenoKriss 24 points25 points26 points  (2 children)
SJWs will never recognize white people as victims, just like they will never recognize men being discriminated against - for them, it simply does not compute.
[–]__Drake [score hidden]  (1 child)
They call themselves egalitarians, but they are prejudiced against whites and men.
[–]smoledman [score hidden]  (0 children)
They're filled with unbridled hatred towards white men.
[–]TetraBug 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Zimbabwe actually just abolished their own currency. As of Monday you can exchange every 175 quadrillion (yes, 175,000,000,000,000,000) Zimbabwean Dollars for $5 USD, thanks to their healthy inflation rates.
[–]MrPejorative 46 points47 points48 points  (3 children)
Ha, I was literally just browsing /r/planetside musing about how quickly internet shitstorms die.
I understand /r/history's sensitivity to revisionist history, but having been born in an occupied country and later living in the country occupying it I'm well aware of how wrong people can interpret even recent events. Telling him to write an essay is just another example of an overreaching mod treating another person like a child. You don't have all the answers. Let him talk. What's the worse that will happen, he'll get a <shock horror> upvote from someone?
[–]LeyonLecoq 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Well, the worst that could happen is that someone accepted what he said uncritically and then went on to spread that misinformation to everyone they met, who then spread it to everyone they met, until everybody believed wrongly and the truth was forgotten! I assume in my hypothetical here that he was completely wrong, but I don't actually know if he was.
Anyway, that's a... not trivial thing to worry about, but how you actually deal with it isn't to silence him, but to provide a counter argument. Presumably a much stronger one, since in this hypothetical you're right. If you're not able to actually do that - if the only response you're able to muster to being told that you're wrong is to stomp your feet and tell those who disagree with you to shut up - then you're clearly not qualified to be telling anybody anything about the situation anyway, and you need to kindly fuck off until that changes.
This situation reminds me of probably my favourite speech of Hitchens'; the one on free speech, where at one point he says (taken from http://genius.com/Christopher-hitchens-on-free-speech-annotated):
Well, if everybody in North America is forced to attend a school training in sensitivity or in Holocaust awareness and is taught to study the final solution, about which nothing was actually done by this country or North America or the United Kingdom while it was going on but lets say as if in compensation for that everyone's made to swallow an official and unalterable story of it now and it's taught as the great moral exemplar the great modern equivalent of the morally lacking elements of the Second World War a way of stilling our uneasy conscience about that combat, if that's the case with everybody as it more or less is and one person gets up and says, "You know what, this Holocaust? I'm not sure it even happened. In fact, I'm pretty certain it didn't. Indeed I begin to wonder if the only thing is that the Jews brought a little bit of violence on themselves". That person doesn't just have a right to speak, that person's right to speak must be given extra protection because what he has to say must have taken him some effort to come up with.
Might be, might contain, a grain of historical truth. Might in any case give people to think about why do they know what they already think that they know? How do I know that I know this, except that I've always been taught this and never heard anything else? It's always worth establishing, first a principle, saying "What would you do if you met a flat Earth society member?" "Come to think of it, how can I prove the Earth is round?" "Am I sure about the theory of evolution? I know it's supposed to be true. Here's someone who says no such thing, it's all intelligent design". "How sure am I in my own views?" Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus and the feeling that whatever you think you're bound to be okay because you're in the safely moral majority.
[–]vaoe 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Well, the worst that could happen is
Impossible.
[–]bananaramallamasama [score hidden]  (0 children)
Well, if everybody in North America is forced to attend a school training in sensitivity or in Holocaust awareness and is taught to study the final solution, about which nothing was actually done by this country or North America or the United Kingdom while it was going on but lets say as if in compensation for that everyone's made to swallow an official and unalterable story of it now and it's taught as the great moral exemplar the great modern equivalent of the morally lacking elements of the Second World War a way of stilling our uneasy conscience about that combat, if that's the case with everybody as it more or less is and one person gets up and says, "You know what, this Holocaust? I'm not sure it even happened. In fact, I'm pretty certain it didn't. Indeed I begin to wonder if the only thing is that the Jews brought a little bit of violence on themselves".
i get halfway through and just lose interest. why didn't hitchens learn how to use periods?
[–]Eralun 118 points119 points120 points  (32 children)
Considering homosexuality is still illegal and actively attacked by Mugabe you'd think SJW's would be slightly more nuanced over Zimbabwe.
[–]FSMhelpusall 100 points101 points102 points  (21 children)
Hahahahahahhahaha
You must be new here.
[–]Eralun 19 points20 points21 points  (20 children)
Touché, I suppose I was being naive.
[–]FSMhelpusall 54 points55 points56 points  (14 children)
Have you never watched as SJW defend Islam tooth and nail, even the one as practiced in a good part of the Middle East? You know, the countries that push gay people off buildings and stone "adulterous" women, including raped ones?
[–]Eralun 37 points38 points39 points  (3 children)
You can't criticize other cultures, unless they're white!
[–]a3wagner 22 points23 points24 points  (1 child)
That's a vacuous hypothesis! White people have no culture!
[–]Eralun 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
No, white people have a culture but it's all the same culture, from the U.S to Russia! Stop trying to whitesplain to me mysiogynerd.
[–]Ruzinus 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
or Asian.
[–]BurnerNumber3 19 points20 points21 points  (2 children)
Peacefully protesting abortion = Worse than stoning adulterers, duh.
I've spent some time studying Islam, I find it to be a beautiful religion that has certainly provided to the culture of the world; yet everything that the SJWs like to throw their fits about in regards to Christianity is in Islam as well. They, conversely, claim to be for gay rights and women's rights while screeching about the fact most Churches don't allow gay marriages and, in the case of the Catholic Church, female priests. They'll happily target Christian Bakeries to sue for not providing cake for a gay couple's wedding, yet how many of those people would try that crap in a Halal market?
[–]FSMhelpusall 18 points19 points20 points  (0 children)
Look if you're white you have to bake gay couples a cake
If you're brown you can kill them and we'll pretend we didn't see it
[–]Mantergeistmann(◕‿◕✿) 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
They'll happily target Christian Bakeries to sue for not providing cake for a gay couple's wedding, yet how many of those people would try that crap in a Halal market?
I think there actually was a case where a guy went around asking some Muslim bakers in Indiana to bake a cake for a gay wedding, and was refused. Yet nobody cared.
Alternately, that might not have been a real thing, and just some parody or fake reporting. Not sure.
[–]lmdrasil 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Not him but I thought I'd give a stab at your question.
I live in Sweden and the political climate here is ridiculous SJWs rule the government and 'debates' The 7 established parties entered a pact to freeze out the anti immigration party from I fluence after successfully getting in on its second term. This was done in the name of equality and human rights whilst we have no accommodation for them here and integration issues are rampant and rising.
It's sad that they think what they are doing is fir the greater good when it is demolishing our welfare state piece by piece.
[–]FSMhelpusall 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
I know about Sweden. There's an interesting conversation between Sargon and a swedish guy whose name I can't pronounce lol... He said something like 58% of the population is in favor of less immigration but the parties don't give a fuck?
[–]lmdrasil 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Yes that is true, the poll was made by the SCB, a government organ so no skewing of statistics.
It is fucking ridiculous the way they behave but we can't send back almost a million immigrants from the past 25 or so years. Status quo will never be achieved again in this country, it is scarred for eternity.
[–]__Drake [score hidden]  (0 children)
If the majority is on your side, and you keep fighting, someday you win.
[–]rymmen -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
Not lately. They seem to have changed on muslims.
[–]TheCid 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
Go look at what they have to say about Charlie Hebdo and get back to me on that.
[–]weinerweenie 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
"Je ne suis pas Charlie." :(
[–]kaotik-weevil 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
You give them far too much credit.
Your average SJW in unable to disseminate more than a single degree of an instance at a time.
For example, they will take an infinitely branching subject such as political corruption, pick absolutely one and only one aspect of that, and will beat the ever loving fuck out of it until they either cry, rage quit the argument, or get you banned for raining on their parade of mostly-bullshit.
[–]thekindlyman555 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
It's why Twitter is such a perfect medium for them. They have exactly enough characters to make an un-nuanced argument and no more.
[–]Angle_of_the_Dangle 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I still get surprised by the extreme levels of doublethink/hypocrisy displayed by these people.
I don't think you can ever "get used to it" or just accept it as normal. They always seem to one-up themselves every couple of weeks or so.
[–]CloudTheWolfShadowbanned after founding /r/PaoYongYang 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Blacks trump gays. Gays trump Muslims. Everything trumps whites. SJW mind...
[–]ShitArchonXPR 21 points22 points23 points  (1 child)
That's the thing about SJWs. They don't care about actual human rights or actual marginalized people, just the right to have you arrested for not agreeing with their feels (see: the Canadian "Human Rights" Commission, the hatred SJWs have for ex-Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi-Ali). When Cytherea was raped, Arthur Chu campaigned against raising funds for her.
[–]Eralun 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
That's cuz sex is evil & unnatural, and it's even worse for people who make love on film!
[–]themanclawNoMcIntosh 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
SJW's and nuance? Good one.
[–]Steampunk_Moustache 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Non-white cultures are not to be criticized. Only white people can be criticized.
[–]Twerks4Jesus 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
A lot of these straight SJWs are just as homophobic.
[–]HammableOfCarthage 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I think the SJWs should be sent to Zimbabwe. I bet they won't make it out alive.
[–]MRB2012 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
Considering homosexuality is still illegal and actively attacked by Mugabe you'd think SJW's would be slightly more nuanced over Zimbabwe.
Mugabe also committed genocide against blacks.
[–]Frux7 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It a mix of the progressive stack and ethnocentrism. They think the US is the world and that blacks are always being abused. So they put them at the top of the stack and the bottom of the world hierarchy and excuse anything they do to others. After all they are just "punching upwards."
[–]didntsayeeeeeeeee 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Black beats gay in the oppression olympics, sorry.
(Also, black beats gay in Zimbabwe, but that's another story.)
[–]guy231 44 points45 points46 points  (6 children)
[–]Eralun 31 points32 points33 points  (4 children)
I disagree with the last part of his comment, but him being censored is just....cowardly.
[–]guy231 40 points41 points42 points  (3 children)
Depends how you parse it.
They were not fighting to preserve minority rule
Preserving minority rule was not their direct goal, but it was the tool they used to achieve their goals.
they were fighting to protect their homes from exactly what is happening in Zimbabwe right now.
They believed that if the militias were put in charge, the new government would seize white property. That belief was well founded and proved accurate.
It seems to me that the disagreement between the user and the mods is 1) whether Mugabe was wrong to seize white-owned property, and 2) whether whites/colonists were justified in perpetuating the oppression of blacks, in the context that the only real alternative was the militias (which turned out to be corrupt and incompetent as fuck).
Like you, I think the mods were wrong to enforce their opinion by banning anyone who disagrees. Would these mods ban anyone who thinks the US government shouldn't turn factories over to Native Americans?
Interestingly the mods here seem to take the opposite position about property rights than SJWs usually take about speech rights. They imply that the native population had natural rights that were violated by settlers, but anti-speech activists usually suggest that rights are a construct of government.
[–]Eralun 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
"Preserving minority rule was not their direct goal, but it was the tool they used to achieve their goals."
I think that correctly sums up my thoughts on it.
If we allowed the mods their way, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
[–]Mantergeistmann(◕‿◕✿) 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Like you, I think the mods were wrong to enforce their opinion by banning anyone who disagrees.
That's also because most of the study of history is historians disagreeing with each other. I mean, if you show two historians the same piece of historical evidence, you'll wind up with three different conclusions.
[–]MRB2012 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It seems to me that the disagreement between the user and the mods is 1) whether Mugabe was wrong to seize white-owned property, and 2) whether whites/colonists were justified in perpetuating the oppression of blacks, in the context that the only real alternative was the militias (which turned out to be corrupt and incompetent as fuck).
It's like Rwanda. Having a brutal Tutsi dictatorship isn't fun, but it's a lot better than letting the Hutu run things.
[–]blahblahblah2314 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
/r/history has always been garbage. It is one of the most heavily censored subs on reddit, and it is all just "a mod doesn't like the facts you are pointing out".
[–]hahaohwait 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
I never browse /r/history but I took a quick second to have a look at the mod list. Color me fucking surprised davidreiss is a mod. Now I know for sure I'll never browse /r/history.
[–]bigtallguy 14 points15 points16 points  (1 child)
context please.
[–]redgoldblue 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
idk anything about rhodesia but /r/history is definitely one of the badly and ideologically moderated boards on reddit. if someone has a flawed opinion on something, then the correct thing to do is produce a quality rebuttal, not censor them.
[–]KosherDensity 37 points38 points39 points  (7 children)
I am a Jew. I give exactly zero fucks when Nazis do their Holohoax shit. Why? Free speech.
Let these people post their ideas then debunk that shit with facts. Except the facts in Rhodesia don't exactly paint the revolution in such nice ways.
They genocided white people in Rhodesia.
[–]KRosen333More like KRockin' 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Holohoax
that sounds like something futuristic.
"Headline tonight: Holographs for less than 30,000 credits? Think again! Tune in tonight at 9 for the latest on this Holohoax fooling millions."
[–]BurnerNumber3 22 points23 points24 points  (3 children)
I don't want to get too much into modern politics but... it's kind of amazing how hypocritical towards Israel so many SJWs are.
Say you had a country in a pretty destabilized region, like, say, Africa. Maybe claim that the land was given to the Tutsis after the genocide inflicted on them by the Hutus. Tell them that in spite of the oppression they faced, they managed to create a fairly successful state with a functioning democracy and enshrined rights for women (with several women even performing combat roles in their military).
Just imagine how viciously and zealously SJWs would rush to defend that country.
Kind of sad, really.
[–]ShitArchonXPR 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
Just imagine how viciously and zealously SJWs would rush to defend that country.
See, you're still thinking that SJWs are moral and ideologically consistent.
They'd definitely support the totalitarians in that case. Not the Tutsi state with women's rights.
[–]MRB2012 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Just imagine how viciously and zealously SJWs would rush to defend that country.
They wouldn't. Rwanda is that country, and the left hates it for succeeding. It even pretends the genocide never happened and that those evil Tutsi made it all up, all because Kagame's regime is friendly with the US.
[–]SolidGold54 [score hidden]  (0 children)
Can you hold my hand here? You're saying many SJWs don't support Israel?
[–]KarKraKr 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I give exactly zero fucks when Nazis do their Holohoax shit. Why? Free speech.
You should give zero fucks for another reason. Stifling all debate is plain bad, not just for free speech but for you as well. If there are no counter arguments to anything, nutters run rampant and you get feminism. Whatever movement or group you associate with, always let your enemies speak, either you destroy them, that’s good, but in the rare case that they destroy someone on your side, they probably deserved it and that’s also good. Your point will come out all the stronger in the end because you don’t rely on the inaccuracies someone (ab)used to win an argument. It’s win win.
Unless you’re an SJW and your point is utterly stupid to begin with, of course.
[–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. [score hidden]  (0 children)
I give exactly zero fucks when Nazis do their Holohoax shit. Why? Free speech.
Indeed, there's no point in suppressing it, they can debate facts if they want, it doesn't change reality.
As a bonus, when they talk about anything else, you know to be weary of what they say, to closely scrutinize it rather than giving benefit of the doubt.
[–]DwarfGate 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
Zimbabwe has an inflation rate of like 3 million percent, what the fuck is there to NOT criticize???
[–]birdboy2000 8 points9 points10 points  (1 child)
Had. They abandoned their own currency in 2009 when they couldn't control hyperinflation.
(And both Zimbabwe and Rhodesia deserve a fuckton of criticism.)
[–]DwarfGate 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
That's kinda sad when your country's money is so worthless your own economy comes to life to say "I give up."
[–]Irvin700 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
Aren't history buffs suppose to be as objective as possible? It's not like he was denying the Holocaust.
[–]MRB2012 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Modern academics insist objectivity is a bad thing.
[–]bananaramallamasama [score hidden]  (0 children)
That's a self-defeating argument. If nothing can be held to be objectively true then the very statement, "nothing is objectively true" cannot be objectively true.
Their insistence on the domination of subjectivity over objectivity is merely an academic formulation of fascism.
[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
What the fuck is with mods and making people write essays? I've never seen so many people on a power trip in my life as the mods on Reddit. I mean if you're going to ban someone for their opinion fucking do it. It's not about just removing them though is it? You need to defeat them, make them admit they're wrong, make them want to be part of the group think and validate your position. It's sickening to see such behavior so widespread. Reddit truly is cancer.
[–]abrazenleaf 15 points16 points17 points  (3 children)
Context please, I don't know anything about Rhodesia, how racist it was or what that guy was claiming it was.
[–]340598609345 21 points22 points23 points  (1 child)
There's an oddly thorough and unbiased Wikipedia page...if you know the right thing to search for. Don't tell anybody. The main Zimbabwe and Rhodesia pages are already dumbed down and useless.
Linking that would definitely get you banned from r-/-history. There are several thousand more words than "Rhodesia was a racist apartheid state. Period. End of story" in it. Turns out there's a story. History, you might call it.
It's a very interesting series of events—if you're not just trying to spot the villain in it and say "End of story" because "Who's the villain?" is all History really needs to know.
[–]turtleeatingalderman [score hidden]  (0 children)
Linking that would not get you banned from /r/history.
[–]Notalent13 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
I'd like to see the original post, that said the mods of r/history are very big on revisionist politically correct history, which is part of why I stopped posting there.
[–]madhousechild 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
They see us as children. Inferior beings. Unenlightened subhumans.
This is getting out of hand.
[–]Aurondarklord 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
If you're a history sub, don't ban someone for posting absurd defenses of racist governments, CORRECT them, bury their erroneous statements in a deluge of historical facts, forcing them to either own up to their mistake, slink away in shame, or pitch a disruptive tantrum actually WORTHY of a ban. Censorship has no place in an academic sub though.
[–]deadowl 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Not a subscriber to KiA. I stumbled across this from /r/all. I only know one thing about Georgy, and that is that Georgy doesn't fuck around. He probably considered OP's racy post history when banning.
[–]VirtualInsanitary 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
Why have a forum if disagreement is not allowed? If he is wrong then answer his comments and disprove them. Why ban?
[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Because fuck you that's why.
[–]theone899 57 points58 points59 points  (6 children)
Trust but verify:
  1. More context
  2. Honestly, someone got banned for supporting a racist reigime....is that really uncommon among sub-reddits? No, people have been banned for that since reddit first came into conception
[–]_pulsar 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Speaking in a broader sense...
It's rare to find pure evil. Usually there's a bit of both good and bad at work. Mentioning the good doesn't mean you necessarily support that group or person.
[–]_drybone [score hidden]  (0 children)
I was banned from /r/history a couple months ago. I'm not even subbed there and I don't think I've ever posted there. The reason just said 'history' and they refuse to answer my messages. I don't even really care about getting unbanned, I'm just curious as to what I said on some other subreddit they felt was worth banning me for in a sub I never visit.
[–]TetraBug 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
And the regime that replaced the racist regime OP was talking about was just as racist but towards whites instead of blacks. This is actually a situation where the OP is in trouble for supporting the wrong racist regime, hilariously enough.
[–]cantbebothered67835 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
REPENT ALL YE WRONGTHINKERS! Ye shall confess thy sins before god and moderator alike!
[–]rjep2 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Harmful opinions man, consider feels next time.
[–]jpz719 4 points5 points6 points  (1 child)
Admins. Step in. Disallow this horsecrap, and de-mod the twats that do this shit. Banning people for dumb shit is wrong. Blackmailing them into not being banned is worse.
[–]deadowl 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
You realize that OP didn't post the context, right? So you can't exactly say it was for dumb shit.
[–]Proxy_Droid 9 points10 points11 points  (4 children)
Who are these mods? Failed middle school teachers?
[–]ShitArchonXPR 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
For context, in the Milgram Obedience Experience, the test subjects most willing to electrically shock the Learner at the highest setting were schoolteachers.
[–]garybuseysawakening 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Do you have a link to this?
[–]ZombyTed 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
A kilometer is longer than a mile! Stop arguing!
[–]cfisher2833 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
They're the exact type of loser fucks that WOULD waste their time and write an essay to rejoin some stupid little internet forum.
[–]MSMFn1 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
That rhetoric. Holy shit.
"... admitting the errors of your ways, and how you now understand..."
The moral grandstanding, Jesus Fucking Christ.
Edit to add. I believe Rhodesia and its history was one of the more fucked up parts of human history. I'm not going to be a pretentious cunt about it, though, to somebody who *GASP* disagrees with me on that.
[–]1337Gandalf 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Unsubbed. idk what OP said, he may well have been racist, but to say that a topic is only allowed to have one opinion is fucking stupid, and reminds me of the mess we're in with the womyn's studies bullshit.
[–]TheHat2 [Hatman][M] 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
This goes without saying, but don't start shit in /r/history because of this. No vote brigading, no comment brigading, no nothing. We don't want KiA to get banned because people are being stupid.
That said, we're going to leave this post up for now. If we find out that shit's going down and admins have to get involved, we won't have much of a choice but to take it down. So be smart, please.
Also, reversing sub bans shouldn't depend on completing a homework assignment, goddammit.
[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
I think it also goes without saying that you merely saying this should be enough not to ban the subreddit and if it were banned the admins are just being hypocritical fucks. Individuals are responsible for their own actions. If admins catch people starting shit in /r/history they need to be punished not all of KiA.
[–]Tarnsman4Life 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Jesus; how dare you show facts about the fact that Mugabe has imploded Rhodesia in any and all possible metrics, reducing the quality of life of his people to shit. I have a good friend who is now a Kiwi; her family fled Rhodesia because they saw all this coming and didn't want to end up hacked to death with a machete. Some of her parents good friends did not flee and were killed for no reason other than they were white. Rhodesia/Zimbabwe is an example of what many SJW's would like to turn America into.
[–]Bee_planetoid 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
First of all, Zimbabwe is pretty fucked up. We don't even need to discuss Rhodesia to come to that conclusion. Considering the connection between the history of a country and its current existence a 'red herring' is preposterous garbage, and intellectually dishonest.
Additionally, Its not wrong to say that Rhodesia was better (in general) than Zimbabwe is now. The implications are whatever your mind makes them to be, the history is complex. Many people I have met in the UK from Zimbabwe claim they are from Rhodesia, I think its because there is a more positive or at least a neutral association.
It seems like /r/History is trying to 'Hate-Wash' history to make it seem as if the ways of the past are an objective evil. This is dangerous for obvious reasons.
[–]smoledman [score hidden]  (0 children)
No doubt discussing Palestine on that subreddit if not in a fawning manner will get you banned as well.
[–]IceChinchilla [score hidden]  (6 children)
This shouldnt be a surprise really. I got banned from /r/communism for asking what context a post was aiming for. Popular boards treat dissenting opinions like shit because they have enough people to just circle jerk each other without them.
[–]orospakr [score hidden]  (5 children)
How did you ask?
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      [–]IceChinchilla [score hidden]  (0 children)
      lol I forgot I cant link it directly even with np but here is the post and my comment follows.
      Is this a criticism of the critics of the Baltimore riots/protests?
      I would argue that the context of the quote doesnt always apply to all racially motivated protests/riots. The negatives of joining in would outweigh the positives in my opinion, especially in the current context. Organised direct action and protests are needed, not masses taking to the streets.
      **got banned for this. Awaiting any explanation.
      I thought it was advocating and justifying some of the violence. There's nothing against them banning me for presenting this view but it shitty nonetheless.
      [–]smoledman [score hidden]  (0 children)
      People - donate to voat.co. They need server capacity.
      [–]Limon_Lime7-37k Get. Eleven more drug deals. [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Why do you show such cowardice in the face of an opposing opinion? If you think you are so right, then stop him into the ground with facts instead of a banhammer. You people are a disgrace.
      [–]its_never_lupus 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      Does this mean the r/history mods are infested with crazy socjus bullies?
      [–]KarzanGilgriksson 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
      Holy fuck. What happened to people being "damned by their words?" Let them speak -- and let the community think less of them if it's stupid/racist. Where the fuck did all these Marxist admins/mods come from?
      [–]dickspin 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
      Liberals practicing historical revisionism? Well I'll be damned
      What's next, Katyn is all filthy israeli lies?
      [–]mnemosyne-0000#BotYourShield 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
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      [–]mansplain 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      i am actively circumventing a sub ban by using my alt.
      blaming the failures of zimbabwe's leadership on the british empire while neglecting to mention other nations attempts to undermine the "white race" through alternate investment strategies, by showing the failure of previous white held colonies after their dispersal is the epitome of "racial-blindness," and "colonial imperialism" in this respect specifically to undermine american social policy through altering global narratives to paint the "white" race as either negligent or sadistically dominant, while ignoring the very real racial cleansing which lead to decades of impoverishment at the hands of those who would benefit by proving the white mans burden to be its curse and cause..
      [–]Arizona-Bay 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      Looks like I'll be unsubscribing then. What a shame.
      [–]Inspiderface 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      "Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past."
      [–]Invin29 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      The amount of ego stroking going on in that explanation... it's almost like they have zero influence in real life and get off to playing authoritarian on the internet.
      [–]Tetradrachm 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      These guys just want as much attention as the /r/planetside mod #justneckbeardthings
      [–]diversity_is_racism [score hidden]  (0 children)
      What is this infantilizing power play? "Write an essay to show you're my cuck beta and you have been Disciplined..."
      What a bunch of little Stalins.
      [–]ApplicableSongLyricWe provide... leverage. [score hidden]  (0 children)
      StreisandEffectInAction: With people trying to stifle this content, I am interested in researching it.
      There must be something fantastic about it. Some nugget, some facet that is applicable and rips other stances and ideologies wide open, especially those privately held by those in power, desperately clinging to it rather than logically disassembling it.
      Even people wantonly murdering each other in hate, oppression and discrimination?
      Yes. Even with those things being bad, something got the ball rolling that makes these people wet their pants. Now I've gotta now.
      [–]GoggleHeadCid 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
      This really sounds like the kind of shit that went on in China under Mao. Having wrong opinions, being sent off to labor camps and forced to confess to thinking wrong.
      This is not the internet I want.
      [–]Fenixx117 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
      The mod /u/Georgy_K_Zhukov is a total fucking hypocrite and little slimeball. He uses the same name of a man who was a Marshall of the Soviet fucking Union, ya know...
      the massive totalitarian genocidal, racist and all round evil gulag of a state that killed and tortured countless millions of people through the course of its history. I'm sure you all remember.
      This mod takes the name of a man who presided over possibly the largest mass rape in human history in 1945 as well as untold numbers of murders of civilians and POW's and even his own soldiers's families if their relative was captured in battle
      on 28 September 1941, that Zhukov sent ciphered telegram No. 4976 to commanders of the Leningrad Front and the Baltic Navy, announcing that returned prisoners and families of soldiers captured by the Germans would be shot.[86] This order was published for the first time in 1991 in the Russian magazine Начало (Beginning) No. 3. In the same month, Zhukov apparently ordered that any soldiers who left their positions would be shot.[87]
      Perhaps this lunatic should stop idolizing Stalinist generals and write a 500 word essay on the barbarism and total lack of concern by the soviet state in regards to human suffering visited by Marshall Zhukov and ruthless dictators like him. I doubt this will happen though as /r/history has mods that enjoy using Stalinist tactics against their user base
      [–]MRB2012 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
      The mod /u/Georgy_K_Zhukov is a total fucking hypocrite and little slimeball. He uses the same name of a man who was a Marshall of the Soviet fucking Union, ya know...
      He's also a /r/badhistory mod.
      [–]HistoryOfGamerHatred [score hidden]  (0 children)
      Hey u/Georgy_K_Zhukov and u/Quouar, here's your essay:
      The mass extermination and expulsion of white farmers in Rhodesia strained regional relations with South Africa. In doing so, Elon Musk emigrated to the United States instead of trying to fix the regions problems through military service. Thank you, SJWs, for chasing away the one person who could have turned that region into a global powerhouse and, instead, embracing a terrorist who lit people on fire with tires around their neck.
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        [–]jabberwockxeno [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Does anybody have a link to what this persons's actual post was, before we flip out over it?
        [–]Reginleifer [score hidden]  (0 children)
        I always thought MY mods (in communities I visit) were bad. It's starting to look now like mods are cancer by their very nature, power corrupts and whatnot.
        [–]Koaah [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Zimbabwe is an amazing trap!
        [–]BobMugabe35 -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        As that devil should apologize! I for one think it's disgusting that such flagrant disdain for Africans and the support of their subjugation!
        [–]splendid_knight 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
        /r/redditinaction is --> that way
        [–]jeb0r -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
        your post has no context and tells one side of the story
        [–]Ghost5410 16 points17 points18 points  (1 child)
        And like last time, demanding he write an essay to prove the mod right to get unbanned is mod power abuse either way.
        [–]Ricwulf [score hidden]  (0 children)
        Even moreso in this care. In the planetside, it was for a shitty meme. This one appears to be banning someone for putting forth a comparison that the mods didn't like. Quite literally it is an opinion they have deemed bad and therefore it needs to be fixed.
        At least in the Planetside ban it could kind of been explained. This is just "Your opinion is wrong."
        [–]AcherosIs fake journalism 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
        right, which is how the planetside thing started as well....so, title is accurate.
        [–]DinosaursBLUE -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
        I'm majoring in history at the moment and while the moderator's responses are a bit embarrassing it's not entirely alien. The apartheid is still too close for people to be impartial or unemotional about it. Revisionist history tends to come far later down the track.
        It might be hard to empathize with their decision, but their attitude is probably comparable to how we are 'sure' that the Nazi's were vile and genocidal.
        [–]Not_for_consumption [score hidden]  (0 children)
        This is pretty off topic.
        [–]Minxie -6 points-5 points-4 points  (7 children)
        ITT: KiA decides they will defend racists for no reason whatsoever but stupidity. You guys are fucking idiots if you think aligning yourself with FPH and racists is a winning strategy for your stupid platform.
        [–]TRVDante[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
        You could probably be full on 1488, that still doesn't justify the stupid 500-word essay ban powertrip. It doesn't matter what you do, it doesn't make the mod's actions any less faggy.
        Also, siding with FPH has gotten KiA tens of thousands of new subscribers. It seems to be working out pretty well so far.
        [–]Birdchest [score hidden]  (4 children)
        You realize that as soon as the Whites left the country became a third world shit hole? Same with South Africa. The blacks were given full control over a country and they can't even maintain it.
        [–]Minxie [score hidden]  (3 children)
        "The blacks".
        I can't say I am surprised people like you post here. I imagine you also tend to post at /r/coontown with an alt or something. It is good people like you support this stupid movement though because it just paints you all as the far right reactionaries we all know you are.
        Defend apartheid regimes more, please. I'm not going to bother going into context with you about the societal and economic effects of centuries of colonialism and the effects of apartheid regimes on the native population. Anyone with a basic grasp of history should be able to figure it out. Keep on blaming it on "the blacks" and discredit everyone here.
        [–]Birdchest [score hidden]  (0 children)
        If those countries had never colonized them and civilized the country they would still be living in the Stone Age. They had made no previous advancements by themselves.
        [–]bigtallguy [score hidden]  (0 children)
        yeah thats this guys first post on this sub ever, what a coincidence. either way can you explain to how OP post shows us defending racism? genuinely curious.
        [–]TRVDante[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)
        It is good people like you support this stupid movement though because it just paints you all as the far right reactionaries we all know you are.
        You say that like it's a bad thing or that it somehow hinders us. GamerGate partially had it's roots in /pol/, which pretty much everyone knows. Despite that, it hasn't really stopped us at all, and we've only grown in power and influence. GamerGate is the future. There's nothing left for you to do but lie back and think of England.
        [–]Not_for_consumption [score hidden]  (0 children)
        ITT: KiA decides they will defend racists for no reason whatsoever but stupidity.
        KiA isn't one person ;)
        Addit: but this is pretty off-topic for KiA.
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